Nato vs Turan

[Magyar the Conqueror]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

[Europa]

:tongueNo comment....

[RagnarLodbrok666]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Thoughts?

I wish the USA was out of NATO already. Where does Iran fit into all of this may I ask?

[Joe McCarthy]

Unfortunately, rising non-Western states and a declining West make laughable scenarios like this one not so laughable anymore. It could be that Jobbik has left Western Europe for dead, and is thinking long term. I oppose this pan-Turanism to my marrow, but they are serious, and it's good to try and understand.

[Ar-Man]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

The ironic part is that the creators of this idiotic alliance, ie Turkey is in the Nato :wink

P.S. this BS will never happen until Armenians are alive ! :yo:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

I wish the USA was out of NATO already. Where does Iran fit into all of this may I ask?

Jobbik is pro Iran, Iran is anti-American, Iran is anti-Israel, Jobbik is anti-Israel, etc etc. They would make for a good ally.
Some think Hungary will be the Iran's gateway to the west.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

The ironic part is that the creators of this idiotic alliance, ie Turkey is in the Nato :wink

P.S. this BS will never happen until Armenians are alive ! :yo:

Of course the Armenians are going to stop us, all 3 million of them. :laugh:

Anyway, Hungary is also in Nato, whats your point?

[Padre Organtino]

Ok for trolling absurd otherwise.

[Mercury]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

Someone explain to me why China would wanted to be allied with their biggest historical enemy?

[Ar-Man]

Of course the Armenians are going to stop us, all 3 million of them. :laugh:

Anyway, Hungary is also in Nato, whats your point?

The quantity is not Quality ! :cool:
BTW Kazakhs are in closer realtions with Armenians than withTurks, show this map to any Central Asian Turkic Nation, and they will laugh at your ass, and I'm not even speaking about Chinese or Japanese people ! xD

[Nairi]

Of course the Armenians are going to stop us, all 3 million of them. :laugh:


Well, we did stop 20 years ago the attempt to conquer Artsakh/Nagorno Karabakh which is the land which would unite Turkey and Azerbaijan, which is the very first step of creating Turan.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Someone explain to me why China would wanted to be allied with their biggest historical enemy?

China is optional, they may as well put their differences aside for the sake of the greater good.

[Nairi]

China is optional, they may as well put their differences aside for the sake of the greater good.

And what is the greater good for Russians in having Turan next door?

[Mercury]

China is optional, they may as well put their differences aside for the sake of the greater good.

A Philo-Semitic West is the greater good in that case.

[Γέλως]

They must be lunatics. No more Mongols please...

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Anyway, the map is about what Jobbik wants to achieve, no trolling on my part.
The main focus is on the dark green, and the concept of the thing, dont get too wound up on "technicalities".

Anyway, are the Armenians going to keep trolling my thread?

[Ar-Man]

China is optional, they may as well put their differences aside for the sake of the greater good.

And you think Hung-Aryans are so powerfull with their Nato obedient situation, that they can tear apart a powerful country like Russia and in the same time, trick USA and create a superpower that will be their new enemy? :laugh:

[Padre Organtino]

Anyway, the map is about what Jobbik wants to achieve, no trolling on my part.
The main focus is on the green, and the concept of the thing, dont get too wound up on "technicalities".

Anyway, are the Armenians going to keep trolling my thread?

Isn't your thread trololo to start with?:cool: As I said it's absurd to view this stuff seriously. There are tonns of objections against this idea that we would have hard time listing.

[Pallantides]

Lol at Finland and Estonia being "Turanic"...


Turanianism is such a retarded ideology.

[Nairi]

Anyway, the map is about what Jobbik wants to achieve, no trolling on my part.
The main focus is on the green, and the concept of the thing, dont get too wound up on "technicalities".

Anyway, are the Armenians going to keep trolling my thread?

Where do you see trolling on Armenian part???

The VERY first step of Turan IS occupying Armenian Artsakh and then whole Armenia. Two days ago they had anti-Armenian rally in Turkey with banners " You are all Armenians, you are all bastards", "Today is Tekim tomorrow is Yerevan, we will come to you at nights", Turkey with their Turan idea poses direct threat to Armenia TODAY...an you want to discuss Turan without Armenians? LOL

[Osweo]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/hungary-1.jpg
= Enough.

(actually, it's a bit TOO greedy, but Magyars need to be brought gently and slowly to reality, in steps... ;))

The Turks are never a solution to a problem, anyway. Quite the reverse.

[Nglund]

How European of you!
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Lol at Finland and Estonia being "Turanic"...


Turanianism is such a retarded ideology.

Sorry mr "Germanic"

[Mercury]

Lol at Finland and Estonia being "Turanic"...


Turanianism is such a retarded ideology.

Finno-Ugrics are much cooler than anyone. I don't know WHY anyone from those countries would want to be Turkic.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Finno-Ugrics are much cooler than anyone. I don't know WHY anyone from those countries would want to be Turkic.

It all comes down to the Turanic-Altaic-Ugric-FInnic theory.


The Ottoman Turks of Istanbul and Anatolia, the Turcomans of Central Asia and Persia, the Tartars of South Russia and Transcaucasia, the Magyars of Hungary, the Finns of Finland and the Baltic provinces, the aboriginal tribes of Siberia and even the distant Mongols, Manchus, Koreans and Japanese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

[Joe McCarthy]

Ok for trolling absurd otherwise.

More like Jobbik's foreign policy vision, coupled with a pretty strong movement in Turkey as well.

[Nairi]

It all comes down to the Turanic-Altaic-Ugric-FInnic theory.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism



The Ottoman Turks of Istanbul and Anatolia, the Turcomans of Central Asia and Persia, the Tartars of South Russia and Transcaucasia, the Magyars of Hungary, the Finns of Finland and the Baltic provinces, the aboriginal tribes of Siberia and even the distant Mongols, Manchus, Koreans and Japanese.

And this is one of the reasons Russia will never support Turan which will divide Russia. Another reason Russian would never allow strong Islamic country next door to them which will take Chechenya away from Russia...

[Magyar the Conqueror]

More like Jobbik's foreign policy vision, coupled with a pretty strong movement in Turkey as well.

Unless Jobbik are trollin Europe.

[Osweo]

It all comes down to the Turanic-Altaic-Ugric-FInnic theory.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

LoL, our only recourse is Indo-Europeanism!

Latino-mestizos, Europeans, Colonials, Pakis and Gypsies, UNITE!

IM can be our God-Emperor. :thumb001:

[Padre Organtino]

Don't forget Kartvelians!!11 We be Soyuzniks and stuff cause da language is related to....Wait what? No other relatives at all?:(

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg

[Ar-Man]

LoL, our only recourse is Indo-Europeanism!

Latino-mestizos, Europeans, Colonials, Pakis and Gypsies, UNITE!

IM can be our God-Emperor. :thumb001:

It's called Chakravartin in Vedic literature :p :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakravartin

[Nairi]

To some of you this thread looks trollish but last week again an Armenian soldier (18 years old kid!) was killed at Artsakh border by Azerbaijanis who want to unite through Artsakh with Turkey in Turan dream!

Every month we loose several soldiers because of their snipers...

[Bakura]

Hail Pan-Slavism

[Stegura]

Lol at Finland and Estonia being "Turanic"...


Turanianism is such a retarded ideology.

Actually, Turanism regards all Baltic and Uralic Finns to be a part of Turan.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.html

[Joe McCarthy]

It seems the West now has a 'Hungarian Question' to address. How will it be answered?

Reminiscent of this:

Eastern Question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Question)

[Albion]

Horses can't swim the Channel and Yurts don't float, so no Turanics here. :thumb001:

As for the Chinese, stop lying, they don't like you...

http://troll.me/images/mongolians/you-god-damn-mongorians.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/God+damn+Mongolians+_8df60ff15a9a646d23b0b7d4ce887 9a9.jpg
Magyars on a day out

[Joe McCarthy]

To some of you this thread looks trollish but last week again an Armenian soldier (18 years old kid!) was killed at Artsakh border by Azerbaijanis who want to unite through Artsakh with Turkey in Turan dream!

Every month we loose several soldiers because of their snipers...

Agreed. This thread is not trollish at all and could set the stage for the next major war.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Heres some quotes about Hungarian Turanism,


The leader of the Hungarian fascist Arrow Cross Party, Ferenc Szálasi, believed in the existence of a "Turanian-Hungarian" race (which included Jesus Christ). The idea was a key part of his ideology of "Hungarism".



Some Hungarian Turanists went as far as to argue they were racially healthier than and superior to other Europeans (including Germans, who were already corrupted by Judaism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism

[Guapo]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Troll_71f270_2891696.jpg

Hungarian Troll Team (=HunTT=)
http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/51/519064e037569b8cb8c1e16e99b0a3c1d1c85574_full.jpg

[Eldritch]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

Where is the map from? I thought Jobbik rejects the idea of Finns being related to Hungarians, so I don't see what we'd do in this pan-Turanian alliance of theirs.

Anyway, I oppose this Turanism business, not because it's "anti-Western", but because ethnologically it's a load of ol' bollocks.

[Mercury]

The leader of the Hungarian fascist Arrow Cross Party, Ferenc Szálasi, believed in the existence of a "Turanian-Hungarian" race (which included Jesus Christ). The idea was a key part of his ideology of "Hungarism".


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-limVAG1-YM/Ro2aoT0ktfI/AAAAAAAAACA/Y7E2tgl-YOY/s320/asianjesus.jpg

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Where is the map from? I thought Jobbik rejects the idea of Finns being related to Hungarians, so I don't see what we'd do in this pan-Turanian alliance of theirs.

Anyway, I oppose this Turanism business, not because it's "anti-Western", but because ethnologically it's a load of ol' bollocks.

The definition of Turanism varies.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.jpg

[Eldritch]

Actually, Turanism regards all Baltic and Uralic Finns to be a part of Turan.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.html

But apparently the Jobbik leadership do not see it that way.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

But apparently the Jobbik leadership do not see it that way.

They don't :(
Finns are probably Turanic, but much in the same way English are Indo-European, yet they still wouldnt want to be in a alliance with Gypsies who are also Indo-European.

[Eldritch]

The definition of Turanism varies.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/turan.jpg

The definition of almost anything can vary, but it'd be a good idea to settle on something before starting to build real-life policy on it, dontcha think? ;)

[Albion]

LoL, our only recourse is Indo-Europeanism!

Latino-mestizos, Europeans, Colonials, Pakis and Gypsies, UNITE!

IM can be our God-Emperor. :thumb001:

The Central Asians live in towns now, let's seize our chance - someone call the Alans!


The earlier Indo-European nomads diffused a good equine culture over Europe too. If only the English were on horses at Hastings as their Saxon ancestors.
A lot of wars could also have probably have been won with mounted archers if we'd have perfected smaller bows.
Oh well, the Normans brought proper cavalry back at least.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SA64_x0VM50/ThpVFv-gJ1I/AAAAAAAAAC0/OIRIsRSiYqs/s1600/JacksonChariotLL.jpg

http://history-world.org/Teutonic.jpg

http://www.germanmilitaryhistory.com/img/upload/yhcyjfgcyfgtyjgft.jpg

[Magyar the Conqueror]

The definition of almost anything can vary, but it'd be a good idea to settle on something before starting to build real-life policy on it, dontcha think? ;)

I think Finns don't really care about their origins, and they usually see them as Scandinavian these days, am I right?

I also doubt Finns will want to be associated with Central Asians.

[StonyArabia]

Turanism has great sympathizers in the Caucasus among the Balkars, Karachays, the Kumyks whose nationalism is shaped pretty much through Pan-Turkic ideals. One of the reasons for this to weaken Russia and achieve an independent homeland. As well there is more sympathy toward Turkey, and many are still not fond of Russia, hold it to blame for the deporations. However the contrast to this is Pan-Circassian nationalism which opposes pan-Turkism the reason, although having how sympathetic sentiments; Pan-Circassianism aims to unify lands of all the NorthWest Caucasus into one republic and claims that the Karachay and Balkars were Kipchakized Circassians, an idea that many of them accept.

[Scrapple]

From the wiki

Hungarian Turanism (Hungarian: Turanizmus) is a Hungarian nationalist ideology which stresses the alleged origins of the Hungarian people in the steppes of Central Asia ("Turan") and the affinity of the Hungarians with Asian peoples such as the Turkic people.

So Hungarians aren't Europeans. God this is retarded.

[Joe McCarthy]

Turkey's far right Nationalist Movement Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party) (Grey Wolves), the third largest party in Turkey, is an adherent of Turanism.

[Joe McCarthy]

From the wiki


So Hungarians aren't Europeans. God this is retarded.

Whether they are or not means less than how they see themselves, and given that Jobbik is actually building a serious foreign policy platform on Turanism, and the notion that 200 million people are descended from Attila the Hun, madness has become the norm in Hungary.

[Padre Organtino]

Ok, Mag I think a great idea for staters - it is for you Turanic kinsmen to get to know each other more and feel the warmth of common steppe family:

Simply invite them to Hungary and Hungarian populated territories. You can start with your flat:thumb001:

http://pics.livejournal.com/ferghana_blog/pic/0003s6dx

http://www.factroom.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/49.jpg

[Bakura]

Never Turan!

Never EU!

Always Slavia!

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Never Turan!

Never EU!

Always Slavia!

We already had Yugoslavia and the USSR.

[Padre Organtino]

Never Turan!

Never EU!

Always Slavia!

Slavia won't make you more successful with girls:tongue

On a second thought this is certainly far less absurd idea than pan-turanism and stuff like that.

[StonyArabia]

Turkey's far right Nationalist Movement Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Movement_Party) (Grey Wolves), the third largest party in Turkey, is an adherent of Turanism.

It has great sympathizers from the Balkar, Karachay, and Kumyk communities in Russia whom all want to weaken it and in hopes of independence. It also has bases within those areas so to speak.

[Stegura]

Pan-Turanism makes about as much sense as Pan-Aryanism does! :loco:

http://tinypic.com/97ryc6.gif


Dark brown - First class member of Panaryan world.
Light brown - Begin with rearyanization.
Yellow - Mongoloid world.
Grey - Negroid world.
Purple - Federalized Indian with Aryan leader class.
Pink - Evasively live room for Nonaryans from light/dark brown areas.
Japan+Korea are free nations

[Albion]

Who'd want to be Turanic anyway? They booted the Indo-Europeans off the steppes, but by then we already had decent regions such as Europe anyway.

Finns live in the boreal fringes of Europe, Turkics in Central Asia, Mongols in the land of no rain, Yakuts in the Arctic and Tungus-Manchu in southern Siberia (are they Turanic)?

The Hungarians and the Turks are the only ones who got any decent land.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Pan-Turanism makes about as much sense as Pan-Aryanism does! :loco:

http://tinypic.com/97ryc6.gif

That map is ridiculous, they can go you know where with "Aryanising" Hungary.

Even this map makes more sense.
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/atilla.gif

[StonyArabia]

Pan-Turanism makes about as much sense as Pan-Aryanism does! :loco:

http://tinypic.com/97ryc6.gif

Oman is Aryan, this certainly made my day:)

[Padre Organtino]

Pan-Turanism makes about as much sense as Pan-Aryanism does! :loco:

http://tinypic.com/97ryc6.gif

True Ubermenschen Indeed:

http://twitterpakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Pakistani-Stage-Shows-Pakistani-Stage-Drama.jpg

[Mercury]

That map is ridiculous, they can go you know where with "Aryanising" Hungary.

Even this map makes more sense.
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/atilla.gif

Untermensch?? How can anyone use that word to refer to Germans, British, French, Italians, and Spanish? :confused::confused:

[Bakura]

Slavia won't make you more successful with girls:tongue

On a second thought this is certainly far less absurd idea than pan-turanism and stuff like that.

Are you sure? When there was Yugoslavia and old system girls was quite different than today. Today girls there are under mind control of media and they're all bitches. They watch and listen to Jelena Karleusa and Grand Show, but before few decades young people are listened to Bijelo Dugme and rock music and all were more positive.

Unification of all Slavs is according to me same what did Otto Von Bismarck when he united all Germans.

[Ar-Man]

That map is ridiculous, they can go you know where with "Aryanising" Hungary.

Even this map makes more sense.
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/atilla.gif

:rotfl
Why is the map on an Untermensch language ?

[Loddfafner]

So, if Loki ever decides to listen to the chorus that keeps shrieking about purging all non and semi-Europeans from this site, he should ban the Hungarians along with the Turks, Albanians, Armenians, Latinos, and American mutts?

[Magyar the Conqueror]

So, if Loki ever decides to listen to the chorus that keeps shrieking about purging all non and semi-Europeans from this site, he should ban the Hungarians along with the Turks, Albanians, Armenians, Latinos, and American mutts?

Hungarians are white Turanids.

[Armin]

Anyway, the map is about what Jobbik wants to achieve, no trolling on my part.
The main focus is on the dark green, and the concept of the thing, dont get too wound up on "technicalities".

Anyway, are the Armenians going to keep trolling my thread?

I think most Hungarians (and thank goodness for their sane thinking) would never think of aligning themselves with Turks since they were amongst the people that fought them the hardest.

[Ar-Man]

True Ubermenschen Indeed:

http://twitterpakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Pakistani-Stage-Shows-Pakistani-Stage-Drama.jpg

Lies, true Ubermensch Hung-Aryans are Tall and half Hawaiian !!!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljjpfvChFI1qis07wo1_500.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

Are you sure? When there was Yugoslavia and old system girls was quite different than today. Today girls there are under mind control of media and they're all bitches. They watch and listen to Jelena Karleusa and Grand Show, but before few decades young people are listened to Bijelo Dugme and rock music and all were more positive.

Dat's lame ass excuse dude;) If you're serious about dat nationalist stuff teh first thing to do is to start becoming Uber yourself: moar physical exercise, serious hygiene and etc. Additionally you should start practicing some cool impressive activities (guitar is sort of cheap and banal but works fine for starters) and of course work on presenting yourself as special/exceptional to girls (main thing is to make sure others get it in a positive way).
Not being attractive to women almost always=failing to attract masses. Remember that.

[Ar-Man]

Hungarians are white Turanids.

You reminds me them ! :D

_a0M_MyTdpE

[Magyar the Conqueror]

The point of the thread is to illustrate what could happen in the future.
I simply posted a map.

If you hate me, Hungarians, Turks, nationalists, etc etc, this thread isnt for venting..

I should have made a poll.

Turanism
Good idea.
Bad idea.

[Bakura]

Dat's lame ass excuse dude;) If you're serious about dat nationalist stuff teh first thing to do is to start becoming Uber yourself: moar physical exercise, serious hygiene and etc. Additionally you should start practicing some cool impressive activities (guitar is sort of cheap and banal but works fine for starters) and of course work on presenting yourself as special/exceptional to girls (main thing is to make sure others get it in a positive way).
Not being attractive to women almost always=failing to attract masses. Remeber that.

Yes I play guitar, but girls there don't like when someone play guitar they want just this:

OgBA7mUS3V0

Intro sounds like Nightwish, but please hear whole song. ;)

[Ar-Man]

Yes I play guitar, but girls there don't like when someone play guitar they want just this:

OgBA7mUS3V0

Intro sounds like Nightwish, but please hear whole song. ;)

Sincerely I do not recommend to pay any kind of attention to the girls who'll like this kind of music ! :D

[Eldritch]

I should have made a poll.

Turanism
Good idea.
Bad idea.

You can still do that: thread tools --> add poll.

[Bakura]

Sincerely I do not recommend to pay any kind of attention to the girls who'll like this kind of music ! :D

There 95% girls like this music and rest 5% likes Justin Bieber and my chances at these 5% are equal to zero cuz they love Justin Bieber not me. You understand! So go back to thread.

[Mercury]

The point of the thread is to illustrate what could happen in the future.
I simply posted a map.

If you hate me, Hungarians, Turks, nationalists, etc etc, this thread isnt for venting..

I should have made a poll.

Turanism
Good idea.
Bad idea.

Well I can tell you it's a bad idea. Even the linguistic connection is blurry.

[Padre Organtino]

Yes I play guitar, but girls there don't like when someone play guitar they want just this:

OgBA7mUS3V0

Intro sounds like Nightwish, but please hear whole song. ;)

Dat of course sounds like a musical catastrophe. Heck, I sort of like Turbo folk myself but that's too primitive Gypo rhythm:coffee:

Now simply playing the guitar is not the only thing - it should accompany your overall cool/independent and a bit mysterious guy image. So you need to be in relatively good shape and dressed ok (casually but with taste). Then some practice with conversations, finding common topics, making indirect and witty compliments and etc. Takes some time but result is worth the effort:thumb001:

[Albion]

Hungarians are white Turanids.

Turanids don't exist and all of the ethnicities apart from Finnics, Hungarians and Turks are loosers which probably won't even see the next century.


The point of the thread is to illustrate what could happen in the future.
I simply posted a map.

If you hate me, Hungarians, Turks, nationalists, etc etc, this thread isnt for venting..

I should have made a poll.

Turanism
Good idea.
Bad idea.

Good, bad or retarded? Retarded.

[GeistFaust]

I would definitely take the side of NATO, since this would be the worst scourge from the East since the Turks. I personally think its laughable that a European nation would want to unite with other Non-European peoples, and establish ties with dangerous nations. I don't care how bad Israel, The U.S., NATO, the UN, or the E.U. are, but I certainly don't want anything Eastern ruling world affairs.


The thing is that I think that perhaps these mega-countries and government organizations might be needed to be kept, just in case something breaks out with Russia, Iran, or China. I trust none of these powers, and I think it should be the West's duty to keep them duly in check. The west has this won if they don't fall asleep on guard, and the way things look now the West is in serious trouble.


These Eastern countries mean business, and I sure hope that overtly consumerist and materialist society has not knocked the sense out of us. The Eastern world is a Menace, and it has been historically for the Western part of the world, and places like Hungary would be doing themselves a disservice to unify and ally with such peoples.


All things distastrous have either urged to move Eastward or has moved in from the East. In order for the West to stand up against places like China, Russia, and Iran they must gear themselves, and take a no nonsense policy towards these nations.


Jobbik would be playing a suicidal game if they chose to do such a thing as they propose, and it possibly might be the death of any moderate Fascist movements that might want to come along in the future. It seems like that Cuman and Pecheng blood is still strong enough to invoke such strong feelings with the East. ;)

[Bakura]

Dat of course sounds like a musical catastrophe. Heck, I sort of like Turbo folk myself but that's too primitive Gypo rhythm:coffee:

Now simply playing the guitar is not the only thing - it should accompany your overall cool/independent and a bit mysterious guy image. So you need to be in relatively good shape and dressed ok (casually but with taste). Then some practice with conversations, finding common topics, making indirect and witty compliments and etc. Takes some time but result is worth the effort:thumb001:

I'm extremely direct :D

[StonyArabia]

Btw who made that ridiculus map of Pan-Aryanism? The fact that Oman included as Aryan is very laughable, since it never was and only Semitic langauges were spoken there and the people there are of Southern Semitic stock and spoke tongues related to Ethiopian like Dofari not understood by Arab speakers , and then I saw North Africa being what also Aryan, when they were not but Hamtic and related to Semites and both are Afro-Asiatic people. Western Arabia an extension of Africa ROFL, it seems who ever made this map has serious mental issues.

[Ar-Man]

There 95% girls like this music and rest 5% likes Justin Bieber and my chances at these 5% are equal to zero cuz they love Justin Bieber not me. You understand! So go back to thread.

Bosnia & Herzegovina most be in a huge cultural crisis then :taped-shut:

[Padre Organtino]

Geist, wait - are you implying that Russians are Non-European?:eek:

[GeistFaust]

The point of the thread is to illustrate what could happen in the future.
I simply posted a map.

If you hate me, Hungarians, Turks, nationalists, etc etc, this thread isnt for venting..

I should have made a poll.

Turanism
Good idea.
Bad idea.



Turanism would be a threat as all Turkish/Eurasian movements to the West have been. These people are subconsciously of a different mentality, which is completely foreign to Western culture.


This would be like implementing Eurasia in the Eastern part of Europe, and I think it should immediately cause a radical reaction from its Western neighbors. If it were to happen, which I doubt given the current situation in Europe, then there would be a joint coalition of Western countries to squash any aggressive behavior.


The three biggest enemies of Western Europe are Islam, Turkic/Eurasian cultures and mentalities, and China outside of the sphere of Western European culture.

[Eldritch]

Turanids don't exist and all of the ethnicities apart from Finnics, Hungarians and Turks are loosers which probably won't even see the next century.


Did you notice the Japs and Koreans are included too? Surely neither of those groups can be called losers.

But they do say Finland is the "Nordic Japan". Now build a case for Turkey being the Mediterranean Korea and you might be on to something after all ... :chin:

[GeistFaust]

Geist, wait - are you implying that Russians are Non-European?:eek:


No, the Russians are Europeans, but they are probably the most Eastern influenced of all the European peoples.

They also have Finno-Ugric, Caucasian, Turkic/Eurasian, Cossack, and Mongol bloodlines in some areas, and Russia's culture has an exotic, but still European culture.

The Russian culture has always been inclined towards an Eurasian multi-culturalism framework, which cropped up under the Bolshevik/Communistic timeframes.

[Stegura]

Btw who made that ridiculus map of Pan-Aryanism? The fact that Oman included as Aryan is very laughable, since it never was and only Semitic langauges were spoken there and the people there are of Southern Semitic stock and spoke tongues related to Ethiopian like Dofari not understood by Arab speakers , and then I saw North Africa being what also Aryan, when they were not but Hamtic and related to Semites and both are Afro-Asiatic people. Western Arabia an extension of Africa ROFL,

It came from now defunct Pan Aryan National Front Forum. It went offline about 2 years ago.


it seems who ever made this map has serious mental issues.

Not to mention severe inferiority complexes.

[Joe McCarthy]

Unification of all Slavs is according to me same what did Otto Von Bismarck when he united all Germans..

Yes, another dreadful idea. Sort of like pan-Turanism. ;)

[Padre Organtino]

No, the Russians are Europeans, but they are probably the most Eastern influenced of all the European peoples.

They also have Finno-Ugric, Caucasian, Turkic/Eurasian, Cossack, and Mongol bloodlines in some areas, and Russia's culture has an exotic, but still European culture.

The Russian culture has always been inclined towards an Eurasian multi-culturalism framework, which cropped up under the Bolshevik/Communistic timeframes.

Cossacks? Broad term for paramilitary settlers. Most of totally Slavic descent with some slight admixes. Finno-Ugorians? Well, certainly but they are mostly Euros with some Asian admix themselves. Caucasus natives? Ok, they're not Euro but I don't see while some admix makes Russians less Euro than other European nations with strong neolithic inputs.

I would say that you're somewhat right though. The disturbing thing about Russian political discourse is taht it is too influenced by people that deny deep connections between Russians and other Euro people. Things are changing though as the younger generation of Russians is considerably more Euro-Centric than their mothers and fathers.

[GeistFaust]

Yes, another dreadful idea. Sort of like pan-Turanism. ;)



I think Hungary lacks the ingredients and components, which were in place to make Otto Von Bismark possible. I could see Hungary trying to start up wars with some nations around them, but the history behind Bismark and German Nationalism is much deeper than any force driving Jobbik.


A lot of the aggression in the German state was pent up over years of invasions from Napolean, the repression of liberal ideas and revolutions, and the absolutist nature of the Prussian state.


I doubt the internal situation in Hungary is as bad as it was in Germany during the time of Bismark. There are other countries in the Balkans that have far worse internal conditions, and are much more ripe for an explosive bout of aggression and conflict.

[GeistFaust]

Cossacks? Broad term for paramilitary settlers. Most of totally Slavic descent with some slight admixes. Finno-Ugorians? Well, certainly but they are mostly Euros with some Asian admix themselves. Caucasus natives? Ok, they're not Euro but I don't see while some admix makes Russians less Euro than other European nations with strong neolithic inputs.

I would say that you're somewhat right though. The disturbing thing about Russian political discourse is taht it is too influenced by people that deny deep connections between Russians and other Euro people. Things are changing though as the younger generation of Russians is considerably more Euro-Centric than their mothers and fathers.



I knew some Cossacks were predominantly of Slavic bloodlines like the Don, but I thought others like the Kubans had some Caucasian bloodlines. The problem with Russia is that it has this tendency to an almost absolutistic Eastern mentality, which when unleashed in the worst way, brings about such movements as Communism.


The absolutism of the Czar and extreme forms of serfdom caused a repression and oppression of the lower classes, which resulted in class friction. This class friction seems to be inevitable in these more Eastern countries, and they need to compensate with either a tribalistic dictatorship, an absolutist structure, or a theocracy, which is seen in the Semitic and Islamic world.


The class friction is just due to the loose nature of these societies and their environments, and this means that the leaders have to be extra ruthless to get an message accross to any possible dissenters.

[Bakura]

Yes, another dreadful idea. Sort of like pan-Turanism. ;)

Before Humanism and Renaissance folk languages weren't officially recognized and there was just Church Slavonic language, besides all these modern ethnicities were invented and profiled in 19th century not so much time long ago.

[Padre Organtino]

Before Humanism and Renaissance folk languages weren't officially recognized and there was just Church Slavonic language, besides all these modern ethnicities were invented and profiled in 19th century not so much time long ago.

These ethnicities reflect rather evident racial and cultural divisionsn among Slavic speaking people. As an outsider who's interacted with almost all Slavic folks I must say that Pan-Slavism in its extreme form (Slavia and etc) is very utopian.

[Joe McCarthy]

I think most Hungarians (and thank goodness for their sane thinking) would never think of aligning themselves with Turks since they were amongst the people that fought them the hardest.

Gabor Vona, leader of Jobbik, just last December declared Turanism to be the basis of their foreign policy, and Jobbik is currently second in the polls in Hungary. They are by no means a fringe group in popularity:

http://www.jobbik.com/jobbik_news/europe/3198.html

The Hungarians were among the main collaborators of the Ottomans, including helping them at Vienna in 1683.

Let's say you're a Hungarian. Your country has no allies. The West has stripped you of 72% of your territory. Now the West is dying and the East, specifically Turkey, is rising. Why wouldn't you, if you were Gabor Vona, not look at realities and the coming opportunities? If Europeans are dying out, anyway, Magyars, who have few immigrants, can reinforce their identity as Turks.

Makes sense to me.

[The Lawspeaker]

Gabor Vona, leader of Jobbik, just last December declared Turanism to be the basis of their foreign policy, and Jobbik is currently second in the polls in Hungary. They are by no means a fringe group in popularity:

http://www.jobbik.com/jobbik_news/europe/3198.html

The Hungarians were among the main collaborators of the Ottomans, including helping them at Vienna in 1683.

Let's say you're a Hungarian. Your country has no allies. The West has stripped you of 72% of your territory. Now the West is dying and the East, specifically Turkey, is rising. Why wouldn't you, if you were Gabor Vona, not look at realities and the coming opportunities? If Europeans are dying out, anyway, Magyars, who have few immigrants, can reinforce their identity as Turks.

Makes sense to me.

So maybe it is time to show them that the West isn't dead yet and reward their betrayals with a punitive expedition that the survivors will remember for generations. A bit like marching through Georgia, savvy ? :thumb001:

[Albion]

Did you notice the Japs and Koreans are included too? Surely neither of those groups can be called losers.

No, I didn't. They're not Turanids, the Japanese have been there since the Jommon culture.


But they do say Finland is the "Nordic Japan". Now build a case for Turkey being the Mediterranean Korea and you might be on to something after all ... :chin:

Hmm.... South Korea makes TV's and Turkey is now manufacturing a lot of cheapo TV's and ovens. Close enough? :p

[Bakura]

These ethnicities reflect rather evident racial and cultural divisionsn among Slavic speaking people. As an outsider who's interacted with almost all Slavic folks I must say that Pan-Slavism in its extreme form (Slavia and etc) is very utopian.

It's just your views on things, but I think that Slavic union should bring us more stability and higher life standards. "Together we're stronger", it's my motto.

[Joe McCarthy]

So maybe it is time to show them that the West isn't dead yet and reward their treason with a punitive expedition that the survivors will remember for generations. A bit like marching through Georgia, savvy ? :thumb001:

Well, the Death of the West makes the unthinkable not only possible, but even probable. We can expect a series of radically shocking things like this. I personally expect a US-China naval confrontation later this year if Barack Obama is reelected POTUS. We are dying and we can expect the once kooky to become the new reality.

After all, who would have expected us to be in the situation we're in now a century ago, or even for most before WW2?

[Padre Organtino]

It's just your views on things, but I think that Slavic union should bring us more stability and higher life standards. "Together we're stronger", it's my motto.

It's a view of many pragmatic people with some common sense. Russian friends of mine are not very enthusiastic over Pan-Slavism and they're far from either Atlantism or Leftism.
Cooperation and cultural exchange between Slavic people is indeed a good idea though.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well, the Death of the West makes the unthinkable not only possible, but even probable. We can expect a series of radically shocking things like this. I personally expect a US-China naval confrontation later this year if Barack Obama is elected POTUS. We are dying and we can expect the once kooky to become the new reality.

After all, who would have expected us to be in the situation we're in now a century ago, or even for most before WW2?
I don't think we are dead just yet so if the enemies and traitors want to think that then they will be in for a very rough ride. :thumb001:

[Padre Organtino]

Civis and Joe agreeing on smth? Magyar the Peacemaker:D

[Joe McCarthy]

I think Hungary lacks the ingredients and components, which were in place to make Otto Von Bismark possible. I could see Hungary trying to start up wars with some nations around them, but the history behind Bismark and German Nationalism is much deeper than any force driving Jobbik.


If NATO folds, the US leaves Europe, and Jobbik comes to power, I could easily see a Hungarian-Turkish alliance cooperating to divide up much of the eastern part of Europe between them - or at least attempting it. Turkey has a standing army of 1.3 million. The big question here is what would Russia do.

In any case, Hungary is a dangerous country. I'd say we're in the Hungarian Weimar right now.

[The Lawspeaker]

Civis and Joe agreeing on smth? Magyar the Peacemaker:D
Let's put this way: if traitors want to turn coat and fight against their brothers then they should be brought to heel.

[GeistFaust]

The Eastern world is a souless and formless arrays of misgeneated people with a dynamic tribal culture, which has a spiritualism that projects a void or abyss on itself. This void or abyss can be seen to invoke a nihilistic drive in these people whenever they are displaced or provoked to move to the West.


We saw this with the Huns, Avars, Magyars, Mongolians, and even Turkic/Arabic people. Their mentality is of the most insidious type when it relates to Western cultures, and it hides its menacing shape and formation in a tense and frictioned "dualism" between self and other.


Basically these people are teetering between a world of passive aggressive meglomania and schizoid activity, and a world of rampant aggression and violence, which has taken the most brutal forms of it in human history.

[GeistFaust]

If NATO folds, the US leaves Europe, and Jobbik comes to power, I could easily see a Hungarian-Turkish alliance cooperating to divide up much of the eastern part of Europe between them - or at least attempting it. Turkey has a standing army of 1.3 million. The big question here is what would Russia do.

In any case, Hungary is a dangerous country. I'd say we're in the Hungarian Weimar right now.



I think Russia might step into some Eastern conflict to make itself known, and possible to assert itself to show its power, which would send a message to other nations. Russia has this nature about, which also seems to be bluffing in political matters, and this can be seen especially during the Cold War.


That said they always want to send warning signals, and other sublime messages, because this all integrable to their propagandist way of seeing the world. I think aggression is the last thing we need Europe, and there needs to be a coalition or at least political cooperation between the U.S. and other Western/Central European countries against any potential conflict in Eastern Europe.


The situation seems tense over there, and it will only take a certain sequence of events, to unleash all the energies and emotions pent up and repressed by social and political considerations and balances. It might be ironic that I am saying this, but America might be a valuable player if something were to crop up in the East.

[Rollo]

I think Russia might step into some Eastern conflict to make itself known, and possible to assert itself to show its power, which would send a message to other nations. Russia has this nature about, which also seems to be bluffing in political matters, and this can be seen especially during the Cold War.


That said they always want to send warning signals, and other sublime messages, because this all integrable to their propagandist way of seeing the world. I think aggression is the last thing we need Europe, and there needs to be a coalition or at least political cooperation between the U.S. and other Western/Central European countries against any potential conflict in Eastern Europe.


The situation seems tense over there, and it will only take a certain sequence of events, to unleash all the energies and emotions pent up and repressed by social and political considerations and balances. It might be ironic that I am saying this, but America might be a valuable player if something were to crop up in the East.

I don't really see how Russia could conduct any sort of offensive operations. Vladimir Putin lost 25% popularity in the last elections, and that's WITH rigged voting :p

I think that countries like Russia and China have no offensive capabilities, Russia's white population is in serious decline, and both countries are holding their populace captive to stupid ideals, and in the case of Russia, a wanker whose press interviews are planned, wants to restore the Soviet Union, albeit a bit differently, and has said "the breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century"

If the Russian Army left Russia, on an offensive operation, there would be riots and probably a revolution.

[Joe McCarthy]

The Grey Wolves were founded as the youth organization of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) created by Alparslan Türkeş in 1969. A significant pillar of the MHP's ideology is the dream of creating the Turan, the "Great Turkish Empire", including all Turkic peoples mainly in the successor Central Asian countries of the former Soviet Union as well as the Caucasus and the Uygurs' homeland of East Turkestan in the Xinjiang province of Northwestern China.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

And these guys are currently the third largest party in the Turkish parliament.

[GeistFaust]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

And these guys are currently the third largest party in the Turkish parliament.

This scary process, and I can only hope that old spirit, which allowed us to vanguish Eastern threat is still there. The Western soul has been severely weakened, and this is while our enemies proper and laugh at us. They know that the West is its own greatest enemy, and always has been so. Our overtly consumerist, materialistic, and money obsessed culture might be the undoing of us.


The feminization of the West has stripped everything noble and good in man. This spirit can only be properly arisen when the man of the West is constantly ready at hand for a new adventure. Unfortunately both the intellect and imagination have been crushed by the depraved and perverted feelings that resonate throughout the Western world.


All these feelings and emotions, which brought us to engage with our enemies in such a noble, almost anticipating glory and divine destiny has been lost. The Western world has fallen asleep, and I can only hope that it will only wake up when the nightmare has closed in around it.

[Rollo]

I knew some Cossacks were predominantly of Slavic bloodlines like the Don, but I thought others like the Kubans had some Caucasian bloodlines. The problem with Russia is that it has this tendency to an almost absolutistic Eastern mentality, which when unleashed in the worst way, brings about such movements as Communism.


The absolutism of the Czar and extreme forms of serfdom caused a repression and oppression of the lower classes, which resulted in class friction. This class friction seems to be inevitable in these more Eastern countries, and they need to compensate with either a tribalistic dictatorship, an absolutist structure, or a theocracy, which is seen in the Semitic and Islamic world.


The class friction is just due to the loose nature of these societies and their environments, and this means that the leaders have to be extra ruthless to get an message accross to any possible dissenters.

When has Russia ever had a government that genuinely cares about Russians? I have no answer

The Czars were so ridiculously cruel to the population, at the beginning of the 20th century, a Russian farmer's plough was worth more than he was. The Czars are the epitome of medieval feudalism, monarchist despotism, or extreme rightism, reactionaries. This persisted until 1917, and some could argue after.

If Russians actually liked the Czars, they sure as hell wouldn't have had their asses handed to them by the Japs in 1905, and the Germans in WWI. Why would they want to fight? They're told their worth less than tools, then told to die so the Russian Czar can get a little prestige for beating Japan, and then again in WWI.

The Marxist Bolsheviks, who took power after them, were extreme leftists, the polar opposite, as any quick study of it will show.

So, you have two ends of the spectrum, with no in between. Both had a few aspects that were good for Russians, but when the other took over, the good aspects of the previous regime were eliminated.

For example, good aspects of the Czar era, nationalism could exist. Russians were proud to continue their Orthodox Christianity, they weren't alienated from the West, they had more in common with the west than they did under Communism. They didn't have their cultural mindset completely shifted by a certain intelligence agency. They weren't collectively desensitised to the brutalism that occured under communism.

Those aspects were all destroyed when the Bolsheviks came to power. But, the good aspects of Communist rule were; rapid modernisation and industrialisation. Russians suddenly felt that they had a duty to conquer the world, albeit in the name of Communism, they still had a sense of duty, and fought ferociously against the Axis invasion. The Communists kept homosexuality from being accepted, unlike today unfortunately. Street crime was nothing, you could walk the streets at night safely. Feminisation of the man's world did not occur. And the standards of living increased for workers. The negatives were very numerous of course, but the Soviet Union had its upsides

Russia needs to combine these good aspects together, and let the good of one side conquer the bad of the other, essentially this is what Nation Socialism is. A concern for society and it's welfare, with the realisation that the individual is the means to the end, the nation, and the nation is the be all and end all. Nationalism and Socialism will complement each other in such a way that Russia would potentially become an invincible Nation, with large amounts of land that could be colonised with pure White people, and an extreme amount of resources that would make it invincible if it were ever blockaded in a war.

Russia is definitely a dormant beast, yet again.

[Joe McCarthy]

This scary process, and I can only hope that old spirit, which allowed us to vanguish Eastern threat is still there. The Western soul has been severely weakened, and this is while our enemies proper and laugh at us. They know that the West is its own greatest enemy, and always has been so. Our overtly consumerist, materialistic, and money obsessed culture might be the undoing of us.


Whatever may be said about the Turks, they have brought out the best in Westerners. Perhaps a new war will invigorate our people in a way nothing else can.

http://galenf.com/european_train/vatican05.jpg

[Rollo]

Whatever may be said about the Turks, they have brought out the best in Westerners. Perhaps a new war will invigorate our people in a way nothing else can.

http://galenf.com/european_train/vatican05.jpg

Very true. The death of Constaninople, and the "immigration" of antiquity, that was preserved by the Byzantines, into the Italian city-states and then the rest of Europe would not have happened so soon if the Turks had not invaded Europe.

The Arab conquests united Europe. Arabs only used our own technology against us. Our technology was lost in the crumbling of the Roman Empire, and only survived in the Byzantine East, which the Arabs, and later Turks conquered due to Byzantine bankruptcy and Venetian treachery.

We need another all out Crusade and struggle for Europe, the current struggle is internal with immigration, not a good form of "war".

We need to reconquer Turkey for Greece

[GeistFaust]

When has Russia ever had a government that genuinely cares about Russians? I have no answer

The Czars were so ridiculously cruel to the population, at the beginning of the 20th century, a Russian farmer's plough was worth more than he was. The Czars are the epitome of medieval feudalism, monarchist despotism, or extreme rightism, reactionaries. This persisted until 1917, and some could argue after.

If Russians actually liked the Czars, they sure as hell wouldn't have had their asses handed to them by the Japs in 1905, and the Germans in WWI. Why would they want to fight? They're told their worth less than tools, then told to die so the Russian Czar can get a little prestige for beating Japan, and then again in WWI.

The Marxist Bolsheviks, who took power after them, were extreme leftists, the polar opposite, as any quick study of it will show.

So, you have two ends of the spectrum, with no in between. Both had a few aspects that were good for Russians, but when the other took over, the good aspects of the previous regime were eliminated.

For example, good aspects of the Czar era, nationalism could exist. Russians were proud to continue their Orthodox Christianity, they weren't alienated from the West, they had more in common with the west than they did under Communism. They didn't have their cultural mindset completely shifted by a certain intelligence agency. They weren't collectively desensitised to the brutalism that occured under communism.

Those aspects were all destroyed when the Bolsheviks came to power. But, the good aspects of Communist rule were; rapid modernisation and industrialisation. Russians suddenly felt that they had a duty to conquer the world, albeit in the name of Communism, they still had a sense of duty, and fought ferociously against the Axis invasion. The Communists kept homosexuality from being accepted, unlike today unfortunately. Street crime was nothing, you could walk the streets at night safely.

Russia needs to combine these good aspects together, and let the good of one side conquer the bad of the other, essentially this is what Nation Socialism is. A concern for society and it's welfare, with the realisation that the individual is the means to the end, the nation, and the nation is the be all and end all. Nationalism and Socialism will complement each other in such a way that Russia would potentially become an invincible Nation, with large amounts of land that could be colonised with pure White people, and an extreme amount of resources that would make it invincible if it were ever blockaded in a war.

Russia is definitely a dormant beast, yet again.



Russia has been put into a tight spot in a political and socio-environmental manner. They have always had to put up with hordes of Easterners, and the seemingly endless swath of land they had to protect. The only way it could keep itself together was through some extreme form of absolutism, and this resulted in the Bolshevik movement.


The pendulum in Russia seems to swing back and forth quite violently when it does, and it always has a profound impact on Western Europe. Russia is too isolated from Europe, and too inclined towards a multi-culturalism, because its boundaries are so big. This will prevent it from being able to make any extensive drive into Europe, and I think any Eastern force that would desire to drive Westward would meet the same fate as the Huns as Chalons and Muslims at Tours.


It just seems like fate has made it so that points just West of Germany are impenetrable, and that points just east of Moscow are impenetrable. As I said I think the best Russia can do is remain in an absolutist or quasi absolutist state, and just beat its chest and bluff at the West. If it ever gets aggressive, all that aggressiveness will bend itself back into the population, and as you said earlier this would result in riots and a revolution.


Russia is almost too votaile of a socio-political situation to wage any major offensive on Western Europe, because of the internal problems that would erupt do to such an event. Their are a lot of heavily repressed and oppressed factions in Russia, and its actually probably better today than it has ever been.


That said if Russia unleashes its full aggression in an offensive against the West it will be an all versus all conflict with an Apocalyptic tone to it. I think the West would win eventually, but it sure would raise hell in so many different ways, and in many different places.


That said Russia has a tendency to act in a passive aggressive, defensive, and propagandist mentality throughout the course of history, almost enticing their enemy to start a war with them.

[GeistFaust]

Very true. The death of Constaninople, and the "immigration" of antiquity, that was preserve by the Byzantines, into the Italian city-states and then the rest of Europe would not have happened so soon if the Turks had not invaded Europe.

The Arab conquests united Europe. Arabs only used our own technology against us. Our technology was lost in the crumbling of the Roman Empire, and only survived in the Byzantine East, which the Arabs, and later Turks conquered due to Byzantine bankruptcy and Venetian treachery.

We need another all out Crusade and struggle for Europe, the current struggle is internal with immigration, not a good form of "war".

We need to reconquer Turkey for Greece


We need to be careful how far we drive ourselves into these lands, because either way it seems like we are doomed to put up with a bee-hive of nations and peoples to our immediate East. The best we can try to do is to marginalize them, and to break up their unity a bit.


The nature of the Eastern world is very tribal oriented, although they will unite at times for certain causes, and this usually ends up being dangerous for the West. That said some of these Eastern peoples hate each other just as much as they hate the West.


They are just projecting their hate for each other onto the West, because they have to find different ways of ventiliating their aggression and bee-hive like mentality. Its unfortunate that parasitic types will always be there in history, but it is the duty of noblemen to keep them at bay, and to repress their movements.

[Rollo]

Russia has been put into a tight spot in a political and socio-environmental manner. They have always had to put up with hordes of Easterners, and the seemingly endless swath of land they had to protect. The only way it could keep itself together was through some extreme form of absolutism, and this resulted in the Bolshevik movement.


The pendulum in Russia seems to swing back and forth quite violently when it does, and it always has a profound impact on Western Europe. Russia is too isolated from Europe, and too inclined towards a multi-culturalism, because its boundaries are so big. This will prevent it from being able to make any extensive drive into Europe, and I think any Eastern force that would desire to drive Westward would meet the same fate as the Huns as Chalons and Muslims at Tours.


It just seems like fate has made it so that points just West of Germany are impenetrable, and that points just east of Moscow are impenetrable. As I said I think the best Russia can do is remain in an absolutist or quasi absolutist state, and just beat its chest and bluff at the West. If it ever gets aggressive, all that aggressiveness will bend itself back into the population, and as you said earlier this would result in riots and a revolution.


Russia is almost too votaile of a socio-political situation to wage any major offensive on Western Europe, because of the internal problems that would erupt do to such an event. Their are a lot of heavily repressed and oppressed factions in Russia, and its actually probably better today than it has ever been.


That said if Russia unleashes its full aggression in an offensive against the West it will be an all versus all conflict with an Apocalyptic tone to it. I think the West would win eventually, but it sure would raise hell in so many different ways, and in many different places.


That said Russia has a tendency to act in a passive aggressive, defensive, and propagandist mentality throughout the course of history, almost enticing their enemy to start a war with them.

Russia has had the unfortunate fate of being under the heel of Eastern hordes for a very long time, but they have extracted their revenge now.

Yes very true. But with the advent of modern communication, absolutism will not necessary anymore. Authoritarianism definitely, democracy will not, and has not worked in Russia, with such a large territory and population.

The Russian maiden needs to look East, not West. It has such vast amounts of lands that it needs to colonise fully. It has the greatest opportunity of all European nations. France and Britain are overpopulated with no colonies, Germany and Hungary are overpopulated, with lost lands that they need to recover. While Russia is the largest country on the earth, with plenty of resources and a potential to have 500 million white Europeans if they managed themselves correctly.

I almost wish I was Russian, because they have it so easy once they get rid of Putin.

The multicultural aspect of Russia is troublesome, because it is actually legitimate, seeing as a lot of those lands were ruled over by Tartars, and therefore have a right to continue their way of life. I would suggest however, that white Russians (not Byelorussians), gradually breed out those natives by rapidly increasing the Russian birth rate, and minimising the Tartar and Chechen one. This would make Russia a more coherent state, and it should be similar to the colonisation of the West by America, except this time it will be the East. The American wild west is a model for all who wish to colonise new lands in the most efficient way possible.

[Teyrn]

Why are Japan and the Koreas a part of the alliance of steppe-riding supermen and not China?

[Mercury]

Why are Japan and the Koreas a part of the alliance of steppe-riding supermen and not China?

Japs & Koreans have more in common with Mongolians than the Chinese do. Every Chinese nationalist (or basically Chinamen, since they are all nationalistic) has told me they hated Mongols for what they did to China. They built the Great Wall for a reason. ;)

Also, some Turanist nuts believe Japanese and Koreans to fall within the Turanid race. Some go as far to include Native Americans.

[GeistFaust]

Russia has had the unfortunate fate of being under the heel of Eastern hordes for a very long time, but they have extracted their revenge now.

Yes very true. But with the advent of modern communication, absolutism will not necessary anymore. Authoritarianism definitely, democracy will not, and has not worked in Russia, with such a large territory and population.

The Russian maiden needs to look East, not West. It has such vast amounts of lands that it needs to colonise fully. It has the greatest opportunity of all European nations. France and Britain are overpopulated with no colonies, Germany and Hungary are overpopulated, with lost lands that they need to recover. While Russia is the largest country on the earth, with plenty of resources and a potential to have 500 million white Europeans if they managed themselves correctly.

I almost wish I was Russian, because they have it so easy once they get rid of Putin.

The multicultural aspect of Russia is troublesome, because it is actually legitimate, seeing as a lot of those lands were ruled over by Tartars, and therefore have a right to continue their way of life. I would suggest however, that white Russians (not Byelorussians), gradually breed out those natives by rapidly increasing the Russian birth rate, and minimising the Tartar and Chechen one. This would make Russia a more coherent state, and it should be similar to the colonisation of the West by America, except this time it will be the East. The American wild west is a model for all who wish to colonise new lands in the most efficient way possible.



A lot of the problems in Russia that have brought about the need for an absolutist or authoritarian approach to their socio-political situation of having states within states. I think Russia should just make some of these rebellious independent from Russia, and to deal with what it has. The substratum of the Russian mind in social and political affairs will always be heavily influenced by the Eastern Menace, which seems to engulf it in a void darkness.


That said given that Russia is the Eastern frontier of Europe allows them a chance to enrichen the European identity as a whole. I just think they need a more balanced system in place perhaps to deal with Eastern influenced mentality, which is subconsciously in place.


I just don't think that is feasible though, and it might just cause more problems, so it might be best that Russia leans more towards an Authoritarian/Totalitarian socio-political construct. The only way to keep order and freedom in place might be too heavily and suppress some factions, provoking them to rise and revolt possibly.

[Joe McCarthy]

Japs & Koreans have more in common with Mongolians than the Chinese do. Every Chinese nationalist (or basically Chinamen, since they are all nationalistic) has told me they hated Mongols for what they did to China. They built the Great Wall for a reason. ;)

Also, some Turanist nuts believe Japanese and Koreans to fall within the Turanid race. Some go as far to include Native Americans.

True. There is even a bit of academic discourse linking Turks to Amerinds within Turkey itself. If we were as weak as Bulgaria it might worry me.

[GeistFaust]

Japs & Koreans have more in common with Mongolians than Chinese. Some Turanist people believe Japanese and Koreans to fall within the Turanic race. Some even include Native Americans.


That sounds rather retarded since most Native America have absolutely no close relations to these people.

A lot of Japanese and Korean people moved up from the Southern parts of Asia, and some are even indigenous to the area like the Ainu.

It sounds like these people need a bit of a lesson on the genetic and anthropological history of evolution, which would put China in some areas much closer to the Mongolians and other Steppe peoples.

[GeistFaust]

True. There is even a bit of academic discourse linking Turks to Amerinds within Turkey itself. If we were as weak as Bulgaria it might worry me.



It sounds like these people like to invest themselves in pseudo-scientific claims to bolster and justify their aggressive behavior and vehemently violent attitude towards the West.

A lot of nationalism, which is radical and has the potential to lead to violence, produces a mythical or romanticized image of itself in order to arouse feelings in the people of a grandeur destiny.


This is the most effective way these politicians can subdue and control these people for whatever purpose they may. I think the most dangerous thing is the radical Anti-Western tone that underlies on this chest beating.

[Joe McCarthy]

Anyway, Teyrn alludes to a very poignant point. These steppe dwelling Turko-Mongols can lay claim to being Supermen in terms of military prowess. The Mongols, Huns, Magyars, Ottomans, Tamerlane's hordes etc., were militarily virtually invincible in various ways - at least for a good while. There is a fearsome legacy there to draw on, and one can see how a conservative people like Hungarians might be drawn to it given the decadence of the West.

[Scrapple]

Why are Japan and the Koreas a part of the alliance of steppe-riding supermen and not China?

Because it is the map made by crazy people.

[Teyrn]

Because it is the map made by crazy people.

I'm sure Japan is totally dying to be allied with impoverished nations in the Central Asia.

[Joe McCarthy]

I'm sure Japan is totally dying to be allied with impoverished nations in the Central Asia.

They associated themselves with a much more distant people, Westerners, because they worship power, and they associated us with power. If Turkey becomes powerful, and it's getting there, anything is possible...

[Teyrn]

They associated themselves with a much more distant people, Westerners, because they worship power, and they associated us with power. If Turkey becomes powerful, and it's getting there, anything is possible...

Doubt it. Japan modernized following American and Western European methods and the shellacking the country took in WW2 seems to have made the Japanese into permanent groupies of the U.S.

[Armin]

Gabor Vona, leader of Jobbik, just last December declared Turanism to be the basis of their foreign policy, and Jobbik is currently second in the polls in Hungary. They are by no means a fringe group in popularity:

http://www.jobbik.com/jobbik_news/europe/3198.html

The Hungarians were among the main collaborators of the Ottomans, including helping them at Vienna in 1683.

I still think most Hungarians think of themselves as Europeans (and they are). Some kind of doubtful "possibility" of a remote linkage (which I really doubt) with the Turkics sounds like a fairy tale to me. Fact remains (few instances not withstanding) that throughout Hungarian history, Hungarians have fiercely fought the Turks.


Let's say you're a Hungarian. Your country has no allies. The West has stripped you of 72% of your territory. Now the West is dying and the East, specifically Turkey, is rising. Why wouldn't you, if you were Gabor Vona, not look at realities and the coming opportunities? If Europeans are dying out, anyway, Magyars, who have few immigrants, can reinforce their identity as Turks. Makes sense to me.

Politics can, and does, make strange bed-fellows. I think the above scenario of a "dying West" (perhaps this is how Jobbik views it) is blown out of proportion. The West is still quite dynamic and I reject the Spenglerian notions about the West. These supposed claims have been made for the last century or so, yet, the West has continued to advance and evolve. I agree that today, the West in particular, and Europe in general, are facing new challenges that did not exist before as various non-European "centers of power" have also risen, most notably in the Far East (China, Japan etc.). I still think Turkey is still (for now) too dependent on the West (it is not a coincidence that it is a member of NATO) to be some kind of an "independent alternative." Having said that, Turkey, in the last decade or so is gradually shifting towards the East, it has even revived the old doctrine of Pan-Turkism and has formulated a new one that they call "Neo-Ottomanism."


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[Dr. van Winkle]

The Russian culture has always been inclined towards an Eurasian multi-culturalism framework

That's a laughable argument if we consider what's going on in the West.

In Russian metropoles, the vast majority of people one encounters on the streets are white Russians, very light pigmented Baltics and Nordics. Having been to Russia myself, this is a first-hand impression.

In Paris or Stuttgart on the other hand, you see mostly Muslims, black Africans and only a minority of native Europeans. The long term picture will be even more non-white than it is now, according to the demographics of Germany and Western Europe in general.

The Western/Zionist occupied governments are not opposed to mass immigration and Islam, they are in fact welcoming these developments.

the history behind Bismark and German Nationalism is much deeper than any force driving Jobbik.

You sound like a person from the early 20th century that got frozen in time and awoke just now.

The NPD doesn't have any realistic chances to gain power and financially, it has almost dissolved itself because the party's treasurer stole its money to invest it into his own company producing kitchen appliances. There is also an effort by the German government to outlaw the NPD.


Germany is making a second bid to ban a far-right political party represented in two state assemblies, after police arrested a former party official for his links to a small neo-Nazi group that murdered nine Turkish and Greek immigrants.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/09/uk-germany-racism-npd-idUKTRE7B80Y320111209

German nationalism is deader than dead and has no political relevance today. The German race has fallen into the garbage bin of history after losing WW2, as the Western Allies made sure that German nationalism won't rise again.

PS: This is the private message that your philo-Semitic American pal Sylvanus sent me, it's hilarious:


Not nazi?

And the disguisting crypto-nazi jewish hater threads about bankers or old haredis??? You are a chauvinist neonazi racist half-Kraut who believe thaht ownslef is a fukin progressibe übermenchen. Like as Agrippa "himself". I suggest you go back to Skadi where you can have orgy with the other retard dreamer.

It is ridiculous always when the non-Nordid, non-Nordeuropid, sometimes non-European Europid nazis, nationalist and other kind of this sick company classify ownself to a "better" category and later they classify others too. This is a preservation, isn't it? :D

Your fukin tragy-comedy is that you catalise the "race-mixing' with this when a f.e. Nordid-Alpinid german girl can see that her italian boyfriend with Orientalid root is a "Nordid" too. :rofl:

Your nation will dissappear soon, moreover it is dissappeared nowadays, coz a descendant of a german and a ethnic-german/italian/turkish/etc. is another thing.

This is the reason why nationalist are laughable coz they want preserve a status of the time side by side this composition of types languages and culture (what are the element of a nation) doesn't exist at this time yet. Thus they must lie. Lie for ownself and the other people that they can live in a dream with Nordids, Borrebies or others.

The german anthropologist have overestimated the type of Nordid in the pre-war Germany like as the Hungarians did it with the Turanids the "original magyar" type (what was not the original, and what is the magyar...). Nowadays you just see "better" types, however these types will dissappear soon. I can see the netnazis in the future when the mulatto aryanz classify every orientalid without Negrid infleunces as Nordid. :rotfl:

Probably without the fullidiot nazism and whitesupremacism in this site, the people wouldn't want to belong to a more "european" "northern" "lightern" etc type, but they want discover own true heritage, not worshipping those soonly extincted glacier apes whos were just a thunder in the sky of the History.

Well, the middle-easterns have Negrid and Indid admixture and the Negrids and Indids european genes, the human race is one race with different frequencies, however politypical race in this way the local variants can be distuinghuished easily. Both the Afros and the South-Asian have beautiful culture and people and in a normal enviromtn nobody would deny this root, but would be pride with this, like as the Hungarians pride the asian influence and they want overestimate this, not deny. :ranger:

Best regards and fuck you, nazi scum!

[Joe McCarthy]

I still think most Hungarians think of themselves as Europeans (and they are). Some kind of doubtful "possibility" of a remote linkage (which I really doubt) with the Turkics sounds like a fairy tale to me.

Fairy tale or not, myths move nations. It's what they believe that matters, and if Jobbik comes to power, and there is a very good chance it will, we can say that Hungary has effectively seceded from Europe.


Fact remains (few instances not withstanding) that throughout Hungarian history, Hungarians have fiercely fought the Turks.


The record is very mixed. There is a continuum of collaboration among Hungarian Protestants from the Reformation to the Great Turkish War to beat back the Habsburgs, and the latter conflict even ended with Austria expelling the Ottomans from Hungary. I'm sure this history weighs in the balance of Jobbik's thinking.

[Rollo]

Japan is one of the very few non-European countries that is, or was actually competitive internationally, both militarily, economically and politically.

As far as I know, it was the last country in the entire world to be conquered by White Europeans, in 1945.

I respect the Japanese, because they actually acknowledged European supremacy, and during the Meiji restoration they actively sought European input, for industrialisation and Westernisation of their military. Their defeat of Russia in the early 20th century was impressive for a nation who had only opened its borders 30 years earlier, and had no modern industry or military.

Japan should be Europe's best friend in Asia, because Japan acts in a traditional European manner, it recognises/ed itself as superior to its neighbours, and has a history of WANTING us there, not as settlers, but advisors, which is rare for any other country in the region.

[GeistFaust]

That's a laughable argument if we consider what's going on in the West.

In Russian metropoles, the vast majority of people one encounters on the streets are white Russians, very light pigmented Baltics and Nordics. Having been to Russia myself, this is a first-hand impression.

In Paris or Stuttgart on the other hand, you see mostly Muslims, black Africans and only a minority of native Europeans. The long term picture will be even more non-white than it is now, according to the demographics of Germany and Western Europe in general.

The Western/Zionist occupied governments are not opposed to mass immigration and Islam, they are in fact welcoming these developments.


You sound like a person from the early 20th century that got frozen in time and awoke just now.

The NPD doesn't have any realistic chances to gain power and financially, it has almost dissolved itself because the party's treasurer stole its money to invest it into his own company producing kitchen appliances. There is also an effort by the German government to outlaw the NPD.


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/09/uk-germany-racism-npd-idUKTRE7B80Y320111209

German nationalism is deader than dead and has no political relevance today. The German race has fallen into the garbage bin of history after losing WW2, as the Western Allies made sure that German nationalism won't rise again.

PS: This is the private message that your philo-Semitic American pal Sylvanus sent me, it's hilarious:


That is all true, but the Communist/Bolshevik movements did embrace a certain kind of multi-cultural mantra in their political propaganda. I will admit though that Eastern societies and cultures these days seem to have kept out the immigrant flow. I don't think the NDP or any German Nationalistic movement is possible any time soon or in the future.


I will admit that the Western world seems to have reached a post-monolithic era. You will see a blend of cultures, languages, and ethnicites, which will make Europe appear to be multi-cultural like America. I don't think it has gotten as bad as it is in America, but its definitely heading that direction, and over the next couple of generations it will be worse.


The best people can throw at these multi-culturalists is small grassroot movements, which seem to lack attention, because the media blocks them from being accessed by the Public. We are heading into an age of racial and culture disaster in Western Europe, and hopefully we can see our way through it to brighter days.


I am fully pessimistic about the outlook, and a radicalized form of Nationalism is not a rational option to deal with the chauvinistic multi-cultural program, which is being supported by the phony liberals and feminists in Europe.


The unfortunate thing is that even rational and moderate perspectives on race and culture are demonized by the mainstream flow of opinions and ideas. The liberals have a fetish for radicalizing movements that oppose them, because its the only way they can protect themselves from being unmasked on their phony and void platform.

[Armin]

Fairy tale or not, myths move nations. It's what they believe that matters, and if Jobbik comes to power, and there is a very good chance it will, we can say that Hungary has effectively seceded from Europe.

I sincerely hope (and doubt) Jobbik can come to power (in absolute terms) with such ideas. The prospect of aligning themselves with Turkey and other non-European Turkics seems to me a bad bet. This is not about realpolitik. This is about the principles of (European) Culture and Civilization. Even political alliances are formulated on these principles. When Turkey joined Nato it was portraying itself as staunchly pro-Western, of course, as I said, they have greatly reversed this policy in recent years. Hungarian culture is as European as any other, it totally beats me how they are going to relate to Turkic and Islamic nations based on some "mythical basis" that politicians in Jobbik want to portray.



The record is very mixed. There is a continuum of collaboration among Hungarian Protestants from the Reformation to the Great Turkish War to beat back the Habsburgs, and the latter conflict even ended with Austria expelling the Ottomans from Hungary. I'm sure this history weighs in the balance of Jobbik's thinking.

I have to disagree with this point. I understand there has been some collaboration, but their record of fighting the Ottoman Turks is quite impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Hungarian_Wars

[пустиняк]

Eastern European alliance between Bulgaria Hungary Croatia and Albania won't be bad idea.
I also want we to have good relations with Iran instead of Jewnited States.

[Joe McCarthy]

Eastern European alliance between Bulgaria Hungary Croatia and Albania won't be bad idea.
I also want we to have good relations with Iran instead of Jewnited States.

Sounds awesome. You guys can join Jobbik in providing Koran classes for the Iranians (yeah, Jobbik has already done this).

[пустиняк]

Sounds awesome. You guys can join Jobbik in providing Koran classes for the Iranians (yeah, Jobbik has already done this).

I respect Iran. At least they aren't greedy imperialists who bring only wars to the rest of the world.

[Joe McCarthy]

I respect Iran. At least they aren't greedy imperialists who bring only wars to the rest of the world.

Not imperialists? Could've fooled me:

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.45921356


Iran aims to spread its Islamic revolution beyond its borders, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pledged on Tuesday. "The Islamic revolution's final objective is global revolution," Ahmadinejad said in a live televised address.

[пустиняк]

Not imperialists? Could've fooled me:

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.45921356

Lol this is your interpretion :thumbs up

[Kanuni]

Eastern European alliance between Bulgaria Hungary Croatia and Albania won't be bad idea.
I also want we to have good relations with Iran instead of Jewnited States.

We are South East European countries while Hungary is a Central European country.:thumb001:

[пустиняк]

We are South East European countries while Hungary is a Central European country.:thumb001:

I see them more like Eastern. This Central Europe is bs.

[Joe McCarthy]

I see them more like Eastern. This Central Europe is bs.

Eastern as in Kazakhstan, perhaps.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Let's put this way: if Hungarians side with their brothers, and fight against the traitors, good things will come to Hungary.

Fixed.

[Stegura]

Fixed.

You seem to have a habit of re-editing other peoples posts.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

You seem to have a habit of re-editing other peoples posts.

Magyar the Censorer

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Fairy tale or not, myths move nations. It's what they believe that matters, and if Jobbik comes to power, and there is a very good chance it will, we can say that Hungary has effectively seceded from Europe.


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In order to avoid misunderstandings, we need to clarify that this would in no way mean that Hungary should separate from Europe. In fact, what we propose would mean a strengthening of our position in Europe, as Hungary could thus become the Western bastion of a Turanic alliance, as well as its representative within the European Union.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Sounds awesome. You guys can join Jobbik in providing Koran classes for the Iranians (yeah, Jobbik has already done this).

Have they? Come on now Joew dont you think making shit up is a little pathetic?

[Ar-Man]

Anyway, if you're so pro Asiatic-Turkic what is your purpose on a board of European Preservation ?

[Stegura]

I know that Jobbik seems to distrust the west. After all, it was France, Italy, the UK, and America which imposed the Treaty of Trianon upon the Hungarian people. So I can't blame them for having a negative view on those countries. But why hate and distrust the entire west?

However, Hungary does have friends in the West!

After all, Germany returned southern Slovakia, Ruthenia, and large chucks of Northern Translyvania, and Vojvodina to Hungary during the First (1938) and Second (1940) Vienna Awards.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png/800px-Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png

Nazi Germany did more to restore greater Hungary then any "Turanian" nation ever has and ever will.

Jobbik should feel sympathy towards Germany becuase the same Allied powers punished, dismantled, and partioned Germany through the Versailles Treaty.

So what is Jobbiks's stance on Germany and Austria? Does Vona Gabor have anything positive to say about them?

[Pellonpekko]

Lol @ Turan. Not happening. Some completely lunatic retards tried promoting turanism in the finnish nationalist "scene" some years ago, but they were stopped promptly. Only good thing from that episode was a joke I made up: "What´s the favorite 80´s band of the turanists?" -"Turan Turan".

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Is it really so bad that Hungary wishes to leave the West's web of lies, deceit, treachery, Jewery?

I mean come on, do you expect us to be IMFs and EUs bitch or what?


@Stegura, Germany is different now, it's no longer the same as it was before, and it will be a while if Germany wakes up, if ever.

[Treffie]

Jobbik is pro Iran, Iran is anti-American, Iran is anti-Israel, Jobbik is anti-Israel, etc etc. They would make for a good ally.


But Jobbik is pro-Japan, which is pro-America.

[Stegura]

Is it really so bad that Hungary wishes to leave the West's web of lies, deceit, treachery, Jewery?


For an Alliance with Mongols who wiped out nearly half of Hungary's population during 1241-1242 after the Battle of Mohi?

For an Alliance with the Turks who invaded Hungary, waged wars of unprovoked aggression on Hungary, and who ruled over Hungary for 177 years?

Makes sense! :coffee:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

But Jobbik is pro-Japan, which is pro-America.

Care to provide me with a pro-Japan quote?

[Magyar the Conqueror]

For an Alliance with Mongols who wiped out nearly half of Hungary's population during 1241-1242 after the Battle of Mohi?

For an Alliance with the Turks who invaded Hungary, waged wars of unprovoked aggression on Hungary, and who ruled over Hungary for 177 years?

Makes sense! :coffee:

Those happened a long time ago, a very long time ago.
West's betrayal was very recent.

Anyway Jobbik is not anti Europe, like those quotes I provided before show.

Jobbik is even in the Alliance of European National Movements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_European_National_Movements

[Geronimo]

Hell yeah we should all saddle our mules and run over those NATO bastards :thumb001:

http://www.mchorseland.com/web/wp-content/gallery/horse-show/32bo6734.jpg

Yuhuuuuu !

[Treffie]

Care to provide me with a pro-Japan quote?

Do you want me to look for a pro-South Korea quote also? :D

[Mortimer]

Turan is ridicolous idea. It will never happen in my opinion. What could happen is that Jobbik comes to power and kills minorities (gypsies, jews)

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Turan is ridicolous idea. It will never happen in my opinion. What could happen is that Jobbik comes to power and kills minorities (gypsies, jews)

Spoken like an overly-paranoid Gypsy.
What a ridiculous statement.

[Mortimer]

Spoken like an overly-paranoid Gypsy.
What a ridiculous statement.

I hope it will not be like that, and im just paranoid.;)

[Magyar the Conqueror]

I hope it will not be like that, and im just paranoid.;)

The gypsies and jews will be dealt with, but not by murder.
Expect super harsh, heavily biased laws, maybe even denial of citizenship, etc etc.

[The Ripper]

I don't think Finns (or Estonians for that matter) have ever been very reciprocal with this Turanist stuff.

Even if Turks constantly call us their brothers in the comments' sections of random youtube videos, we just don't feel it. :(

[Magyar the Conqueror]

I don't think Finns (or Estonians for that matter) have ever been very reciprocal with this Turanist stuff.

Even if Turks constantly call us their brothers in the comments' sections of random youtube videos, we just don't feel it. :(

Like I said before, I think most Finns see them selves as Nordic Scandinavians these days. What about Hungarians? Do you feel that?

[Padre Organtino]

I don't think Finns (or Estonians for that matter) have ever been very reciprocal with this Turanist stuff.

Even if Turks constantly call us their brothers in the comments' sections of random youtube videos, we just don't feel it. :(

That's said :cry2

[Rollo]

That's said :cry2

Non, c'est bon!

[Petros Houhoulis]

For an Alliance with Mongols who wiped out nearly half of Hungary's population during 1241-1242 after the Battle of Mohi?

For an Alliance with the Turks who invaded Hungary, waged wars of unprovoked aggression on Hungary, and who ruled over Hungary for 177 years?

Makes sense! :coffee:

Somebody has to explain to them that they have no Turanic genes whatsoever - although maybe you have from elsewhere... Their (and your) culture is owed to the total extinction of their (your) original culture and its' replacement with a foreign one, and the worse thing for them is that no matter the fuss, neither the Turks nor the Mongols shall ever return to Hungary...

At least you can understand that...

It sucks to be a Hungarian right now. Bad relations with neighbours because of huge differences in language... Which indirectly leads to less trade, a bad economy and all sorts of Pan-Turanic hallucinations that most folks outside of Hungary should see with a bit of grace, while pointing at the facts of course...

[gandalf]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o559/magyarthegreat/natovsturan-1.jpg

Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

Remove all the muslim states and it can be just one Northen Alliance .

Without China , maybe .

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Remove all the muslim states and it can be just one Northen Alliance .

Without China , maybe .

How would that work?

THis??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Fenno-Ugrian_people.png

[Rollo]

How would that work?

THis??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Fenno-Ugrian_people.png

Yes. I think that those ethnic groups can be united into a Coherent state...

[Rollo]

This is future Tartarstan, numerous exclaves will be no problem

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Verbreitungsgebiet_der_Tataren.PNG

[Albion]

Is it really so bad that Hungary wishes to leave the West's web of lies, deceit, treachery, Jewery?

I mean come on, do you expect us to be IMFs and EUs bitch or what?


@Stegura, Germany is different now, it's no longer the same as it was before, and it will be a while if Germany wakes up, if ever.

Stop kidding about Magyar, you can't be serious about this Turan crap. :p

[Padre Organtino]

Ok, if you give us the opportunity to restore Georgia to its former glory I am ready to ally with Papuan Empire or Penguin Emirate:D

http://tiny.ge/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nikofsiadarubandi.jpg





Not serious;)

[Rollo]

Ok, if you give us the opportunity to restore Georgia to its former glory I am ready to ally with Papuan Empire or Penguin Emirate:D

http://tiny.ge/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nikofsiadarubandi.jpg





Not serious;)

I, the foreign ambassador of Tartarstan assure you that Georgia will have our political, military and economic support in helping you restore your empire.

[Teyrn]

I respect Iran. At least they aren't greedy imperialists who bring only wars to the rest of the world.

Someone needs to keep you all in line.

http://bookbuilder.cast.org/bookresources/17/17034/62599_1.gif

[Hevneren]

We need another all out Crusade and struggle for Europe,

No thank you. We're already wasting enough resources and manpower in the NATO/US "Crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's time to focus on our homelands rather than running errands for the USA or trying to conquer other nations.

[Rollo]

No thank you. We're already wasting enough resources and manpower in the NATO/US "Crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's time to focus on our homelands rather than running errands for the USA or trying to conquer other nations.

I don't mean it in that way. I mean an overt, legitimate struggle against immigration

[Magyar the Conqueror]

I don't mean it in that way. I mean an overt, legitimate struggle against immigration

Norway doesnt have emigration problems, Norway is 100% white. (just ask Hevvie)

[пустиняк]

Someone needs to keep you all in line.

http://bookbuilder.cast.org/bookresources/17/17034/62599_1.gif

I can't expect other answer from American

[Hevneren]

I don't think Finns (or Estonians for that matter) have ever been very reciprocal with this Turanist stuff.

Even if Turks constantly call us their brothers in the comments' sections of random youtube videos, we just don't feel it. :(

It's the same with us and the Germans. :rolleyes:

[Styggnacke]

green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish
Why would Finland and Estonia have any interest in joining this (imaginary) project?

[Pallantides]

Norway doesnt have emigration problems, Norway is 100% white. (just ask Hevvie)

88% of the population are ethnic Norwegians, while non-European immigrants in Norway make up roughly 3-4% of the population, the other immigrants are from various European countries like Poland and Sweden.


It's the same with us an the Germans. :rolleyes:

Very true.

[Hevneren]

How would that work?

THis??
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Fenno-Ugrian_people.png

The Saami weren't even in a majority that far south a millennia ago. :rolleyes2:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

The Saami weren't even in a majority that far south a millennia ago. :rolleyes2:

Cool. :cool:

[Hevneren]

Norway doesnt have emigration problems, Norway is 100% white. (just ask Hevvie)

Are you acting butthurt because I don't respond to your advancements in the wall comments? :rolleyes:

Over 90% of Norway's population is Norwegian or natives from another European country.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Are you acting butthurt because I don't respond to your advancements in the wall comments? :rolleyes:

Over 90% of Norway's population is Norwegian or natives from another European country.


Hungary is 92.3% Hungarian, with less than 2% gypsies.
Last time we were talking you were saying that we are "infested with them"

[Teyrn]

I can't expect other answer from American

It's a fact of human history and society. Someone who can be called The Man is always pushing someone else around, beating them into submission, etc. The Man is currently the U.S. but before this it was Britain, then Spain, etc. all the ways back to the first appearance of the The Man in some cave or creche in primeval times.

The Man is always hated but, in the end, The Man knows best.

[пустиняк]

It's a fact of human history and society. Someone who can be called The Man is always pushing someone else around, beating them into submission, etc. The Man is currently the U.S. but before it was Britain, then Spain, etc.

The Man is always hated but, in the end, The Man knows best.

You can't complain

[Teyrn]

You can't complain

Hated by who though? Illiterate Taliban? Russians dreaming of the days when the KGB could drag somebody off for looking the wrong way at the Kremlin? :)

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Hated by who though? Illiterate Taliban? Russians dreaming of the days when the KGB could drag somebody off for looking the wrong way at the Kremlin? :)

Seriously WTF are anti-european americans doing on a European forum.

[Teyrn]

Seriously WTF are anti-european americans doing on a European forum.

My ancestry lies in Western Europe not in some yurt on the Eurasian steppe.

Edit comment: I'm anti-European simply because I think it's odd that steppe-riders are spewing silly propaganda?

[Magyar the Conqueror]

My ancestry lies in Western Europe not in some yurt on the Eurasian steppe.

Unless you are Basque, your ancestry lies in Caucasus and the steppes of Ukraine.

[пустиняк]

Hated by who though? Illiterate Taliban? Russians dreaming of the days when the KGB could drag somebody off for looking the wrong way at the Kremlin? :)

Hahah you think that someone like Jewnited States

[Eldritch]

My ancestry lies in Western Europe not in some yurt on the Eurasian steppe.

Edit comment: I'm anti-European simply because I think it's odd that steppe-riders are spewing silly propaganda?

Ah right. Another empty vessel trying to fill itself with tin-pot flag-waving. :yawn:

[StonyArabia]

No thank you. We're already wasting enough resources and manpower in the NATO/US "Crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's time to focus on our homelands rather than running errands for the USA or trying to conquer other nations.

Iraq and Afghanistan are lost causes. The Americans could not even subdue primtive Bedouin tribes in the Syrian Desert speaks enough of their military power and shows their eventual decline, even they say this was one of the most humiliating overventure that they had. They of course attacked a wedding, and then had no choice but resort to white phospherus, but they did not even have an easy time after the events. Aghanistan however the Americans and their allies have lost and are on verge of defeat.

[Mercury]

No thank you. We're already wasting enough resources and manpower in the NATO/US "Crusades" in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's time to focus on our homelands rather than running errands for the USA or trying to conquer other nations.

What a selfish view. I hope if your nation ever falls under Fascist rule you won't expect anyone to liberate you.


Iraq and Afghanistan are lost causes.
Iraq is a stable democracy with little violence these days. No one argues that the war is lost, the surge was completely victorious over the Iraqi insurgents.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

What a selfish view. I hope if your nation eve falls under Fascist rule you won't expect anyone to liberate you.

Please, never liberate a Fascist country! Please!!!!




Iraq is a stable democracy with little violence these days. No one argues that the war is lost, the surge was completely victorious over the Iraqi insurgents.

:rofl: :laugh:

[Mercury]

Please, never liberate a Fascist country! Please!!!!

If you get a Libertarian Dictator I may reconsider.

[Siberyak]

If you get a Libertarian Dictator I may reconsider.

Mercury since when is iraq a stable democracy? what kind of troll statement is that?

[Magyar the Conqueror]

If you get a Libertarian Dictator I may reconsider.

A what?
Anyway its none of your or Americas business what goverment we want.

[Hevneren]

What a selfish view. I hope if your nation ever falls under Fascist rule you won't expect anyone to liberate you.


Iraq is a stable democracy with little violence these days. No one argues that the war is lost, the surge was completely victorious over the Iraqi insurgents.

The US is against Fascism? That's news to me. Is that why you were best buddies with fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet? And from what I know, Saddam Hussein wasn't a fascist.

[Siberyak]

The US is against Fascism? That's news to me. Is that why you were best buddies with fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet? And from what I know, Saddam Hussein wasn't a fascist.

Don't feed the troll

[Mercury]

The US is against Fascism? That's news to me. Is that why you were best buddies with fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet? And from what I know, Saddam Hussein wasn't a fascist.

Unfortunately the United States can't oppose all dictatorships in every bit of the world. Doing so with out foreign policy would be impossible. That was the case during the Cold War where we needed to back some authoritarian leaders to prevent the spread of communism. Still doesn't mean the US isn't trying to spread Democracy whenever it gets a chance.

[Stegura]

Hungary is 92.3% Hungarian, with less than 2% gypsies.
Last time we were talking you were saying that we are "infested with them"

Sorry dude, but Gypsies are far more then 2% of Hungary's overall population.

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Magyar the Conqueror
Gabor Vona:
In order to avoid misunderstandings, we need to clarify that this would in no way mean that Hungary should separate from Europe. In fact, what we propose would mean a strengthening of our position in Europe, as Hungary could thus become the Western bastion of a Turanic alliance, as well as its representative within the European Union.

Vona's comment that Hungary would remain part of Europe is weak. He wants a Turanic alliance to strengthen Hungary's position in Europe. In other words, he wants to use Turks against Europe.

He's a traitor, that is if one even considers Jobbik to be Europeans in the first place.

[Joe McCarthy]

Have they? Come on now Joew dont you think making shit up is a little pathetic?

http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungarianspectrum/2012/02/jobbiks-foreign-relations-expert-m%C3%A1rton-gy%C3%B6ngy%C3%B6si.html?cid=6a00e009865ae58833016 8e75d4259970c


Jobbik's Iranian connection is becoming more and more visible by the day. On December 2, 2011, Jobbik organized a demonstration in front of the U.S. Embassy protesting U.S. policy toward Iran. Gyöngyösi was one of the speakers in his capacity as chairman of the Hungarian parliament's Iranian-Hungarian friendship group. He was also the one who organized the Iranian ambassador's visit to Tiszavasvár. On January 8, Gyöngyösi participated in a program disseminating information about the Koran. Joining Gyöngyösi were the ambassadors of Iraq, Qatar, Morocco, Palestine, and Malaysia.

[Joe McCarthy]

Those happened a long time ago, a very long time ago.
West's betrayal was very recent.

Anyway Jobbik is not anti Europe, like those quotes I provided before show.

Jobbik is even in the Alliance of European National Movements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_European_National_Movements

The Alliance of European National Movements - BNP, Swedish National Democrats, and the French National Front.

Definitely the kookier European nationalists, but Jobbik is the kookiest of the bunch, and it says much about them that they align with Turanists.

[Styggnacke]

The Alliance of European National Movements - BNP, Swedish National Democrats, and the French National Front.
ND has some questionable people in their party, but what is wrong with ethno-pluralism? Aren't you a self-proclaimed racist? :confused:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Jobbik are a hardcore HUNGARIAN nationalist partie, thats right HUNGARIAN.

I know the concept of nationalism might be difficut to understand for some of you, but they care about THEIR country more than others

[Albion]

Unless you are Basque, your ancestry lies in Caucasus and the steppes of Ukraine.

Depends on whether you believe this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Corded_Ware_culture.png
Indo-European homeland - Yamna

Or this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory)

[Joe McCarthy]

ND has some questionable people in their party, but what is wrong with ethno-pluralism? Aren't you a self-proclaimed racist? :confused:

That isn't the part that worries me. It's the neo-fascism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-war fixation, and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO. If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

[Siberyak]

That isn't the part that worries me. It's the neo-fascism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-war fixation, and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO. If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

Joe I think America attacking Iran will lead to ww3

[Joe McCarthy]

Joe I think America attacking Iran will lead to ww3

It might, which is probably why we won't attack Iran. People who deny Iran is a real problem though tend to sympathize with groups like Jobbik. :wink

[Siberyak]

It might, which is probably why we won't attack Iran. People who deny Iran is a real problem though tend to sympathize with groups like Jobbik. :wink

How much you wanna bet we will attack Iran? This reminds me of the days in early 2003 before the build up to oust saddam. The same tough talk is going on with vague threats that are coming out of the mouth of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

[Styggnacke]

anti-Americanism,
Pardon me, but the influences we have got from America post-WWII haven't been really that great.

anti-capitalism
They're against crony capitalism and corporatocracy, but they realize that a fully state planned economy will lead to economic stagnation.

anti-war fixation,
Why would we support these totally pointless and useless wars from a Swedish perspective?

and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO.
NATO is shit. Fortunately, we will most likely not join it in a near future.

If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.
Only if you're the aggressor. Considering the great influence of a certain un-American minority in the US politics, it will probably be you who take that position.

[Siberyak]

It might, which is probably why we won't attack Iran. People who deny Iran is a real problem though tend to sympathize with groups like Jobbik. :wink

Joe we can not afford another Trillion dollar war with Iran.

[Joe McCarthy]

How much you wanna bet we will attack Iran? This reminds me of the days in early 2003 before the build up to oust saddam. The same tough talk is going on with vague threats that are coming out of the mouth of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Well, I don't think we will attack Iran, and if they go nuclear it may lead to war, anyway, as they'll then be emboldened to become more aggressive. I'm unsure it'd lead to WW3, either, though China has threatened it. What can China really do though to directly assist Iran?

[Eldritch]

That isn't the part that worries me. It's the neo-fascism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-war fixation, and the intense hostility to institutions like NATO. If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.

Well, let's hope all other Swedish political parties are pro-war. If they're pro-war enough, it might be enough to prevent WW3.

[Siberyak]

Well, I don't think we will attack Iran, and if they go nuclear it may lead to war, anyway, as they'll then be emboldened to become more aggressive. I'm unsure it'd lead to WW3, either, though China has threatened it. What can China really do though to directly assist Iran?

The next few months will tell. What's with the build up in the Persian gulf then? Joe we can't afford another costly war with Iran. We are exhausting and over extending our soldiers. Do you have any idea how much the Iraq war cost the U.S. financially?

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Anachronistic
Pardon me, but the influences we have got from America post-WWII haven't been really that great.


I disagree, but then that isn't the point, is it?


They're against crony capitalism and corporatocracy, but they realize that a fully state planned economy will lead to economic stagnation.


These guys are without exception economic illiterates that hate the post-war Bretton Woods system. Their ideas would only create chaos and solicit unnecessary hostility from financial circles.


Why would we support these totally pointless and useless wars from a Swedish perspective?


Tell me: why do the Swedish National Democrats take a position on the Iraq War? Or is opposing US policy as reflexive policy some kind of stupid far right fad over there?


NATO is shit. Fortunately, we will most likely not join it in a near future.


Well, I'm unsure what point you're trying to make here. You're only agreeing with the National Democrats...


Only if you're the aggressor. Considering the great influence of a certain un-American minority in the US politics, it will probably be you who take that position.

The characteristic feature of these groups, particularly the National Front, is the desire to realign with Russia and away from the United States. That would pose a national security threat to the US, and would set the stage for conflict.

[Joe McCarthy]

Well, let's hope all other Swedish political parties are pro-war. If they're pro-war enough, it might be enough to prevent WW3.

The anti-war fixation I'm referring to is the opposition to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[StonyArabia]

Iraq is a stable democracy with little violence these days. No one argues that the war is lost, the surge was completely victorious over the Iraqi insurgents.

Iraq is stable democracy, the violence has increased with democracy. There is no central government in Iraq. The Americans have lost on the grounds of promise to actually establish true democracy but they did not. The Americans proped up Islamic parties and increased fundmentalism and empowered Iran. The war is still continuing but America is slowly losing, the so called insurgents were mostly Syrian Desert Bedouin tribesmen who made sure that the Americans could not subdue them and they were successful.

[Osweo]

What a selfish view. I hope if your nation ever falls under Fascist rule you won't expect anyone to liberate you.
:icon_ask::eusa_shifty::icon_cool:

Depends on whether you believe this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Corded_Ware_culture.png
Indo-European homeland - Yamna

Or this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory)
or this;
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6096/ieexpansion2.png
;)
(I'd never class Yamnaya as PIE, while leaving the Corded complex out of it.)


If these groups ever managed to implement their policies, it'd probably lead to WW3.
If your group and its policies don't get us there first. :rolleyes2:

[Eldritch]

The anti-war fixation I'm referring to is the opposition to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I never did imagine that it's wars in Denmark or Estonia that the Sweden Democrats oppose. But if one small party in one small country can cause WW3 with their unorthodox policies, then let's face it: WW3 is just around the corner.

[Joe McCarthy]

Iraq is stable democracy, the violence has increased with democracy. There is no central government in Iraq. The Americans have lost on the grounds of promise to actually establish true democracy but they did not. The Americans proped up Islamic parties and increased fundmentalism and empowered Iran. The war is still continuing but America is slowly losing, the so called insurgents were mostly Syrian Desert Bedouin tribesmen who made sure that the Americans could not subdue them and they were successful.

Obama screwed up by not pushing hard enough to keep a troop presence in Iraq, but for now at least the situation is relatively stable. The peak insurgent period is long over, and we've built a 600,000 Iraqi security force from scratch. I think your hope for an American defeat is a bout of wishful thinking, at least for the time being...

[Joe McCarthy]

I never did imagine that it's wars in Denmark or Estonia that the Sweden Democrats oppose. But if one small party in one small country can cause WW3 with unorthodox policies, then let's face it: WW3 is just around the corner.

Well, I doubt they can. I certainly don't think they can, nor is that what I said. :)

Incidentally, I'm referring to the National Democrats, not the Sweden Democrats, who are a more responsible party.

[Siberyak]

Obama screwed up by not pushing hard enough to keep a troop presence in Iraq, but for now at least the situation is relatively stable. The peak insurgent period is long over, and we've built a 600,000 Iraqi security force from scratch. I think your hope for an American defeat is a bout of wishful thinking, at least for the time being...

You call the weekly suicide bombings a sign of stability?

[The Ripper]

Tell me: why do the Swedish National Democrats take a position on the Iraq War? Or is opposing US policy as reflexive policy some kind of stupid far right fad over there?

Because Sweden is swamped with Iraqi refugees. Södertälje, where ND seem to have a base of support, has the largest Assyrian population in the world...

[Joe McCarthy]

You call the weekly suicide bombings a sign of stability?

Terrorist attacks were routine in South America through much of the 80s. Few would have seen in it a sign of imminent collapse of those governments though.

[Joe McCarthy]

Because Sweden is swamped with Iraqi refugees. Södertälje, where ND seem to have a base of support, has the largest Assyrian population in the world...

Sweden was taking in asylum cases decades before the Iraq War, and in fact sort of pioneered the process. Why don't they just refuse to take them in?

[StonyArabia]

Obama screwed up by not pushing hard enough to keep a troop presence in Iraq, but for now at least the situation is relatively stable. The peak insurgent period is long over, and we've built a 600,000 Iraqi security force from scratch. I think your hope for an American defeat is a bout of wishful thinking, at least for the time being...

Well that is true, but the Americans push into the Syrian Desert was rather stopped. There are almost no basis in the Western regions of Iraq, it's only some in the South and the rest in the pro-American Kurdish regions. The Americans often did not want to enter into the Syrian Desert regions, and when they did they were not seen as liberators. The insurgents have just went underground and came out. The Americans might have created Iraqi security forces from scratch indeed, but they will not exert their domination accept in the South and Kurdish regions. An American defeat will only occur if they push more into the heartland of Western Iraq. However American military might was shown to be at it's greatest weakness when a ragtag Bedouin tribesmen humiliated them, these people do actually believe they can and will defeat the U.S.

[Teyrn]

It might, which is probably why we won't attack Iran. People who deny Iran is a real problem though tend to sympathize with groups like Jobbik. :wink

Iran is a problem merely because Israel and its willing allies in the U.S. say so? Are the powers-that-be in Washington D.C. looking for a triple play of "regime change" in Iran?

* 1953 coup, bye-bye democratically-elected Iranian government or whatever it was.
* 1979, bye-bye Shah even though you were one of the most loyal allies of the U.S. in that part of the world.
* 2012, ?

Inconsistent and stupid foreign policy is why the U.S. is the laughingstock of the world these days.

[Joe McCarthy]

Iran is a problem merely because Israel and its willing allies in the U.S. say so? Are the powers-that-be in Washington D.C. looking for a triple play of "regime change" in Iran?

* 1953 coup, bye-bye democratically-elected Iranian government or whatever it was.
* 1979, bye-bye Shah even though you were one of the most loyal allies of the U.S. in that part of the world.
* 2012, ?

Inconsistent and stupid foreign policy is why the U.S. is the laughingstock of the world these days.

Ask yourself this question: is a regime who states that its aim is global Islamic revolution and which has a history of targeting US assets having nuclear weapons a good idea?

If you answer anything but no you've just failed the test.

[Mercury]

Don't have time to reply to anything in-depth at the moment, but it should be pointed out that Iraq's crime rate is less than that of many Latin American nations, including Colombia. ;)

[Joe McCarthy]

Don't have time to reply to anything in-depth at the moment, but it should be pointed out that Iraq's crime rate is less than that of many Latin American nations, including Colombia. ;)

It's also probably less violent than some US cities. During the high point of Fallujah it was found that it was still less violent than the worst US cities.

[Teyrn]

Ask yourself this question: is a regime who states that its aim is global Islamic revolution and which has a history of targeting US assets having nuclear weapons a good idea?

If you answer anything but no you've just failed the test.

Who is it that's saying this sort of thing?

Wasn't that whole "wipe Israel off the map" comment of that Ahmadinejad supposedly said totally blown out of proportion? By whom? I think what he actually said was something about the removal of the regime occupying Jerusalem or something like that. Guess it got lost in translation from Farsi to Hebrew. :D

What do you expect when Netanyahu gives a speech before a joint session of Congress sort of browbeating the U.S. by reminding Americans of how good, noble, etc. the Jews are and how evil the nasty Muslims are? How the U.S. has some kind of moral obligation to support Israel? I think both groups stink and I hate Israel and Iran pretty much co-equally.

The best way to deal with the Zionists and their stooges on the left and right is to kick them all out of the U.S. and send them packing to Israel since they love the place so much. The best way to deal with the Muslims when they act up is to do what always has been done to them: give them a thrashing they won't soon forget.

Edit comment: As an afterthought I find it confusing that so many Christians in the U.S. unconditionally support the Israeli government when the government of said country has often abused, expelled, harassed, etc. indigenous Christians.

[Joe McCarthy]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.45921356


Tehran, 23 Feb. (AKI) - Iran aims to spread its Islamic revolution beyond its borders, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pledged on Tuesday. "The Islamic revolution's final objective is global revolution," Ahmadinejad said in a live televised address.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/04/ahmadinejad-debate-backlash


Khamenei has previously given Ahmadinejad his public backing and his support is considered essential if the president is to win a second term. Ahmadinejad may have been relieved to note that the supreme leader also found fault with his rival's rhetoric, particularly a segment where Mousavi criticised the incumbent for his "extremist" foreign policy.

"I do not accept the sayings of those who imagine that our nation has become belittled in the world because of its commitment to its principles," Khamenei said, adding "this path will continue until final victory".

[Teyrn]

The U.S. shot itself in the foot in 1953 when the CIA overthrew the government of Iran. Then the monarchy takes over for a time and things adjust and there's a friendly ally in power till Peanuts Carter lets Ayatollah Khomeini's bunch take over the place in 1979. Then Iraq gets built up to act as a buffer against Iran, Saddam gets brave, and that creates another mess for years later and the Iraq Baathists get taken to the woodshed by Bush 43 when they were a pretty effective deterrent to the Iranian fruitcakes to begin with... Notice a trend?

Clusterfuck diplomacy and foreign policy from our government in regards to Iran in the first place and now people are talking war? :embarrassed

[Mosov]

Kemalists/Turkic nationalists are in bed with Zionists.

[Teyrn]

Kemalists/Turkic nationalists are in bed with Zionists.

Who isn't these days? :eek:

[Rollo]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.45921356



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/04/ahmadinejad-debate-backlash

Global revolution seems to be the desire of a lot of successful ideologies. Successful in the amount of people they fool, not that they actually are beneficial in any way.

Christianity and Islam are both ideas that promise something at the end, something to suffer for, especially Catholics. Humans are supposed to suffer for Adam and Eve's sins, and only be enter paradise after a lifetime of suffering. This is successful because it promises a Utopia through suffering, and no one can definitively prove the idea wrong, so it persists. It is perfectly manipulated by Christian/Islamic institutions for the purpose of keeping or gaining power.

Now, Karl Marx called religion the "Opium of the masses". I can agree with his theories on institutional religion. But, Marx essentially Atheised institutional religion, by promising a Utopian political system, pure Communism, that would come about after a period under the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat". It is that same idea of suffering, but being rewarded with Paradise at the end.

Marx was a smart devil to do that. Appearing to be the best friend of people who were sick of being told that they would only be truly happy when they died, when really moving Heaven from the afterlife, to an inaccessible future that was supposed to happen within life

Iran/Islamic Republics = Soviet Union with the orders from God, not the Chairman

[Joe McCarthy]

The U.S. shot itself in the foot in 1953 when the CIA overthrew the government of Iran. Then the monarchy takes over for a time and things adjust and there's a friendly ally in power till Peanuts Carter lets Ayatollah Khomeini's bunch take over the place in 1979. Then Iraq gets built up to act as a buffer against Iran, Saddam gets brave, and that creates another mess for years later and the Iraq Baathists get taken to the woodshed by Bush 43 when they were a pretty effective deterrent to the Iranian fruitcakes to begin with... Notice a trend?

Clusterfuck diplomacy and foreign policy from our government in regards to Iran in the first place and now people are talking war? :embarrassed

'53 was justified as there was a threat of communist revolution (which even the clerics feared) and Mossadegh was trying to steal British property. We acted to assist our allies against some tinpot thief and that was that.

I agree Carter f'ed up '79. Him and the CIA, that is. But that's no reason to ignore reality today and not keep the pressure on the Islamic terrorists that reside in Tehran.

[Petros Houhoulis]

...

These guys are without exception economic illiterates that hate the post-war Bretton Woods system. Their ideas would only create chaos and solicit unnecessary hostility from financial circles.

Excuse me, but the Bretton Woods system has already collapsed since 1971, mainly because of the inability of the U.S.A. to accept the original plan by John Maynard Keynes, its' failure to continue to produce surpluses, and the Europeans' unwillingness to sustain a currency exchange rate that could not be sustained. Today the Bretton Woods is almost irrelevant. The surpluses come from South East Asia including China, and they are bound to dominate the world sooner or later.


Tell me: why do the Swedish National Democrats take a position on the Iraq War? Or is opposing US policy as reflexive policy some kind of stupid far right fad over there?

Did you realize that the collapse of the Fixed exchange rate part of the Bretton Woods system was the result of A) The Vietnam war and B) Lyndon Johnsons' "Great Society" spending. Result? You cannot expect to spend too much money both inside and outside of the country, without to upset former economic policies. Furthermore, the war in Vietnam was futile. The Vietkongs won the war, but never threatened the U.S.A. or any other Western country. Lately they are begging the U.S.A. for investments. The Iraq war might not be so futile because of oil, but it was unnecessary both on political and economic grounds.


Well, I'm unsure what point you're trying to make here. You're only agreeing with the National Democrats...

I can explain to you why "NATO is shit":

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/world/kurds-are-finally-heard-turkey-burned-our-villages.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm


So it was in a third-floor Turkish courtroom last week that a handful of Kurdish villagers broke the silence that has prevailed in this country over what human rights groups here say was one of the most violent secrets of the 1990's: the systematic campaign by Turkish security forces to burn down villages of Kurds suspected of harboring separatist guerrillas.

Turkish policy toward the Kurds has since become conciliatory. But the courtroom scene was a powerful reminder of how much bad history hangs over Turkish plans -- initially encouraged by the Bush administration -- to deploy troops in Iraq, where four to five million Kurds live in the northern part of the country.

Human rights groups here say Turkish security forces destroyed as many as 4,000 villages and hamlets and displaced hundreds of thousands of Kurds. The villages were burned during the ferocious war between the Turkish government and Kurdish rebels. More than 30,000 people died.

But until last week, according to Kurdish lawyers, the scorched-earth practices of the Turkish government were too sensitive a topic to speak about in Turkey itself. Claiming that Turkish forces had burned a Kurdish village, they said, was often tantamount to a death sentence.

Kurdish people who filed claims for their burned homes often disappeared, said Selhattin Demirtas, the chairman of the Human Rights Association of Diyarbakir, as did, sometimes, the lawyers themselves...

...By many accounts here, burning villages was part of a Turkish strategy to deprive the rebels of sanctuary. It was true, Mr. Fidan said, that Derecik's villagers often gave food to the guerrillas when they came through.

Two years ago, a Turkish parliamentary commission concluded that more than 3,000 villages had been destroyed and some 378,000 people displaced. But the commission reached no conclusions about who had set the villages afire.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=nyt-kurds-claim-turkish-troops-destroyed-4000-villages-2003-10-25

...and so on.

Where was NATO when one of its' own members was using extrajudicial measures like burning villages, disappearing civilians of all sorts and much more? Maybe Saddam Hussein was bad, but are the Turks better than he was? Gaddafi was bad but never as much bad as the Turks... What does NATO serve in the end? Democracy? Human rights? Its' own members' interests? Or it's just a mess because it has ceased having a meaningful purpose? We've got to discuss these things. 2012 is not 1949 or even 1989.

Russia, the supposed target of NATO did not try to burn 4.000 Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian villages when these states seceded from the Soviet Union and managed to enter NATO and the European Union. The Russkis barely put up any resistance at all. It looks like the "enemy" has been more courteous than the "ally", doesn't it?

That perhaps can explain why the Finns and the Estonians cannot possibly ever feel "brothers" with the Turks. Most likely, they don't even want to know them. Maybe the Huns in an impoverished state feel more attached to them, but that won't last very long. Sooner or later, they'll get to meet their "Turanic brothers" in close quarters, and they'll grasp the folly...




The characteristic feature of these groups, particularly the National Front, is the desire to realign with Russia and away from the United States. That would pose a national security threat to the US, and would set the stage for conflict.

Russia is not exactly a democratic state (far from it) but a political alliance with Russia is not exactly a move against the United States of America. The Soviet Union, for all of its' might, has caused much lesser problems to the U.S.A. than some other, more combative elements. Although we cannot allow Russia to influence our policy very much, it is hard to overlook their role, which has been POSITIVE over the millenia - either you want to recognize that or not. The U.S. of A. has not been the sole power of good in the world. Even the Germans have contributed a hell lot through scientific advances, although people tend to remember their darker hours...

[Joe McCarthy]

Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Excuse me, but the Bretton Woods system has already collapsed since 1971

That's a superficial view that reduces Bretton Woods to currency convertibility. The institutions of Bretton Woods, e.g., the IMF, World Bank, etc., plus liberalization of capital accounts and the creation of the European Monetary System is part of its legacy.


Russia is not exactly a democratic state (far from it) but a political alliance with Russia is not exactly a move against the United States of America.

Uh huh. I invite you to tell American defense and foreign policy planners that. :rolleyes:

[Styggnacke]

I disagree
Do you think this decayed Coca Cola-Hollywood culture that you brought us is something we should appreciate? Why, exactly?

Tell me: why do the Swedish National Democrats take a position on the Iraq War? Or is opposing US policy as reflexive policy some kind of stupid far right fad over there?
Because that war increased the immigration to Sweden to the highest levels we ever had back then. Also, the Middle Easterners has a tendency to see the Western world as one entity, which means that we are also affected and blamed by the shit you did in there.

Well, I'm unsure what point you're trying to make here. You're only agreeing with the National Democrats...
NATO is just an excuse for foreign intervention in countries you have economical and political interests. Face it, if Russia totally flipped out and decided to occupy the Baltic states or something like that, you wouldn't do anything.

The characteristic feature of these groups, particularly the National Front, is the desire to realign with Russia and away from the United States. That would pose a national security threat to the US, and would set the stage for conflict.
ND was actually anti-Russia (ND barely exists today). I'd any day rather be friend with an USA à la Ron Paul than Russia. Chosing between the USA of today and Russia, is like picking between the devil and the deep blue sea, though. Neither of the alternatives are really that great.

[Mercury]

Do you think this decayed Coca Cola-Hollywood culture that you brought us is something we should appreciate? Why, exactly?

Coca Cola is one of the nicest tasting drinks in the world. If you hate it so much, go back to drinking mead or whatever it is you barbarians drink.

[Äike]

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Blue is NATO, green is the Turanic Alliance which Jobbik seeks to establish, Yellowy-green are non Turanic nations which will likely be allied with the Turanic alliance.

Juden infested Nato vs Judenfrei Turanic alliance.
Thoughts?

Estonia should be blue not green. Estonia is one of the most loyal members of NATO.

[Styggnacke]

Coca Cola is one of the nicest tasting drinks in the world. If you hate it so much, go back to drinking mead or whatever it is you barbarians drink.
:rolleyes:

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Estonia should be blue not green. Estonia is one of the most loyal members of NATO.

As if that is something to be proud of, probably just to keep out Russia.

[Mordid]

Coca Cola is one of the nicest tasting drinks in the world. If you hate it so much, go back to drinking mead or whatever it is you barbarians drink.
Typical Americunt, tut, tut.

[Magyar the Conqueror]

Joe if you, the EU and Nato will fuck off and leave us alone, I doubt Jobbik will hurry to form a Turanic alliance then.

Chances are the EU will not like Jobbiks policies, and impose sanctions on us, and countries like Iran will not care about Jewish imposed sanctions, so they will trade with us, etc etc.

[Padre Organtino]

I like the direction of this thread
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[Magyar the Conqueror]

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[Mercury]

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