The Effects of the West On Africa and the World

[Alison]

My take is that the West needs to butt out of poor countries. Their handouts do not help the needy, but instead make the donor countries less able to feed themselves because they are used to a sense of entitlement, whilst enriching the elite.

The result of western aid is people, who do not belong there, streaming into western countries, demanding aid and refugee status. Many are common criminals who attack the nationals.

Take Zimbabwe for instance. She was a once proud nation; the bread basket of Africa.

How did the Afrikaaner forefathers manage to carve a place for themselves in this land? With handouts? No, they did it through hard work and sacrifice.

[Æmeric]

Another effect of aid (handouts) to Africa & other underdeveloped areas is that it has allowed their populations to grow greatly beyond what they can support themselves, creating overpopulation with the excess population migrating to the West. What is the point of oraganizing releif for some famine stricken area of Africa when the survivors will just continue to procreate children beyond their means to support & will require assistance in an even worst famine in less then a generation?

[Oisín]

I think they should just cancel Third World debt and then leave them to it.

[Red Skull]

There are plenty of resources in Africa we could use. Instead we're giving them money. Where's good ol' imperialism when you need it? What have they ever done for us?

Do not mistake those for dumb racist remarks. What is good for the lion is bad for the lamb, and vice versa. Europe has become extremely passive since the end of the great war.

We're all humans, sure, but there are no universal laws saying we are all equal, nor will there ever be.

[TheGreatest]

There are plenty of resources in Africa we could use. Instead we're giving them money. Where's good ol' imperialism when you need it? What have they ever done for us?

Do not mistake those for dumb racist remarks. What is good for the lion is bad for the lamb, and vice versa. Europe has become extremely passive since the end of the great war.

We're all humans, sure, but there are no universal laws saying we are all equal, nor will there ever be.


Imperialism leads to Jingoism and Jingoism often results in War.
We could had saved the colonies if there was an actual show of force. Instead the opposite occurred, France failed to protect the French in Algiers and Queen Elizabeth condemn Ian Smith...

[TheGreatest]

I think they should just cancel Third World debt and then leave them to it.


Sounds fair. Cancel the debt and no more foreign aid to the Despots and Warlords.
One major fact about Africa is that the GDP has been increasing, it's just that the growth of GDP doesn't match the population growth.
To put into perspective, Nigeria had about 12 million people in the 1940's, now it has over 140 million...

It's the same case with most of the Third World. It's hard to believe that Mexico had 36 million people in the 1930's and increased it's population over four times. Even Japan had seen an impressive population boom since WW2. It's just Europe that was left out in the cold.

[Red Skull]

Imperialism leads to Jingoism and Jingoism often results in War.
We could had saved the colonies if there was an actual show of force. Instead the opposite occurred, France failed to protect the French in Algiers and Queen Elizabeth condemn Ian Smith...
You speak of Imperialism, Jingoism and War as if they are inherently bad. Imperialism in what direction? Jingoism towards whom? War with whom? Depending on the correct choices, all three can be good.

[TheGreatest]

You speak of Imperialism, Jingoism and War as if they are inherently bad. Imperialism in what direction? Jingoism towards whom? War with whom? Depending on the correct choices, all three can be good.


Well I don't like the idea of another war in Europe. But Jingoism isn't inherently bad, it's pretty much sticking up for your own interest and the willingness to fight.
IMO, if we were more Jingoistic, we probably wouldn't have a Mexican problem in the States, we would have shot them at the border with HEATs and 50 Calibers...

[Red Skull]

A third world war is inevitable, and I can't see how Europe won't be involved. World wars are holy. They are the ultimate realization of the concept of Struggle, and will eradicate the weaker Zeitgeist. In the last war, it appeared National Socialism was weaker.

Time will tell, I guess. It's just my opinion that it's impossible for Europe to wake up without a war.

[TheGreatest]

A third world war is inevitable, and I can't see how Europe won't be involved. World wars are holy. They are the ultimate realization of the concept of Struggle, and will eradicate the weaker Zeitgeist. In the last war, it appeared National Socialism was weaker.

Time will tell, I guess. It's just my opinion that it's impossible for Europe to wake up without a war.


Not sure how National Socialism was weaker, Hitler was able to hold off the entire world and came close to defeating an opponent which had been stockpiling armaments since the 1920's. National Socialism failed because it couldn't compete with the industrial output of the entire World against it.



Why a World War? Most of Europe is not in the position to fight a World War, especially against Islam. Too many fifth columns holding their allegiances to Israel and the New World Order. I think it's more likely that there will be a Civil War

[SwordoftheVistula]

Do any of these countries even pay off their debts?

Africa obviously needs someone else to run the place if they are ever going to function as anything much more than a hunter-gatherer society, now they are bringing in Chinese to do the jobs whites used to do.

[Albion]

We should show them how to sink wells, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_well) irrigate their land (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation), plant desertification buffer strips (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Wall_of_China) (see Chinese example), desalinate water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination) and grow proper staple crops. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food)
Oh wait, we already did that. Maybe we should teach them to listen (http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/in+one+ear+and+out+the+other.html) as well.

How to get and clean water, grow food and how to make the land productive - that's all we should teach them. They can work their way up from there.

[Grumpy Cat]

The handouts given to Africa by do-gooders in the West have done more to hurt Africa than help it. They've made people dependent on these handouts. As a result, local farmers are going broke because people would rather get food from UN food drops than buy it from them, this making them dependent on handouts.

What is being done in Africa, is only appropriate in times of war, drought, or other kinds of disaster, as a temporary solution... not just all the time.

And don't get me started about religious groups down there. AIDS is spreading like wildfire and they're drilling it into peoples' heads that condoms are evil. Come off of it!

[Magister Eckhart]

I think all of this talk about what the evil West is doing to Africa ignores the millennium and more of history where the African natives accomplished nothing, built nothing, established nothing, and lived as utterly degenerate savages. Africa is the way Africa is because Africa has always been that way. The only time there was ever any civilization is under direct European rule.

If hand-outs to Africa were the source of evil for Africans, why is it that among all former colonies, Africa is the most run down? We bleed money into other former colonies, too, and they were all able to stand up on their own two feet and make something of themselves; just look at the Commonwealth nations from 1948 to the present.

No, indeed, foreign aid to Africa bleeds us dry and accomplishes nothing - this is undeniable and true, but it certainly does the Africans no harm; it hurts only us, and does nothing for the Negroes who are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without foreign intervention (proven by the Semitic influence on Great Zimbabwe and Mali).

To put it in a blunt but accurate metaphor, one has to gather the chimps in a room of typewriters before one can expect them to produce Shakespeare, and even then there's a better chance they'll just end up hurling faeces around the room and hurting themselves on the typewriters.

In fairness, a post script might be fitting to comment that the Ethiopians have always seemed to do far better than any other Sub-Saharan Africans up until they imported Marxism and Western liberalism. In this regard alone can we say the West did damage in Africa.

[Grumpy Cat]

:lol: My criticism wasn't against the "Evil West" but against dumb "liberals" (as you call them in the States).

[Magister Eckhart]

:lol: My criticism wasn't against the "Evil West" but against dumb "liberals" (as you call them in the States).

What idiot Americans call "liberals" are really Social Democrats; but I think you'll find that actual Liberals also seems to support the notion of foreign aid, however strange it may seem. All people on the left seem to support it, and I don't really know why.

Either way, the influence of Western liberalism and socialism on Africa, what has been more or less conveyed here as the evils of Western involvement in Africa, I just feel is misplaced.