Do you own a gun?

[Thorum]

Well, Apricians, I am considering purchasing my first gun. Having been in the Army, I have experience with pistols and M-16s. So, time for a little protection:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Walter_HP_Speerwerke_1428.jpg

I have settled on a Walther P-38 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_50/ai_112646121/). My Muslim fighter......Any opinions? :D

[Loki]

I used to own a CZ 75 9mm parabellum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x19mm_Parabellum) pistol, like this one:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/cz75dao.jpg

I had extra magazines and many rounds, including hollow points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_point).

In addition I also owned the more compact CZ 83.

At home I kept an R1, the South African version of the FN FAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL). This was because I was active in an army commando at the time.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/5064-04.jpg

It was nice to go for target practice, and to take care of my babies by oiling them, etc. :) I sold them all (and gave the R1 back) before going abroad.

[Frigga]

I own two. I have a Smith and Wesson Air Lite revolver, in .38 special/.357 magnum, with an internal hammer, and a Winchester 98 in .357 Magnum. I like them a lot. :D

I'm not really big on semi-autos, as there is a greater tendency for jams. I'm all for pump action 12 gauge shotguns, as for close encounters, it's hard to beat a security shotgun with nine rounds of buckshot #4.

Yeah, I know, I'm an oxymoron, a crafting girl with cowboy firearms, who listens to heavy metal! What would my customers think of me? :P

[Útrám]

Comes in handy if the perpetrator is allergic to potatoes.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k406/eletricalmonkss/spud-gun.jpg

[Vulpix]

I wish I did :(... but alas none, not even ever fired one :cry2.

[Lady L]

I wish I did :(... but alas none, not even ever fired one :cry2.

I've never fired one either :( It must be an adrenaline rush:D...

Maybe one day we will Foxie :)

[Ulf]

Mossberg 500 w/ tactical stock.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/mossberg_500_tactical.jpg

[SouthernBoy]

I have seven. :)

[Psychonaut]

The only gun I own is a shotgun. It's an old (1895 I think) single action gun that my grandfather and I re-blued and carved a new stock and hand grip for. Unfortunately, it's at my mom's house since the Army hasn't let me keep a gun in my house for the last four years. I can't wait to get out so I can buy guns!

[Manifest Destiny]

I own several. My favorite is my Heckler & Koch USP 9mm pistol. Stupid California has banned the sale of any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, so I got some of the original 15 round capacity magazines at a gun show in Nevada (where freedom is still legal).

My next gun will be a Ruger Mini-14 in .223 caliber.

This is what my gun looks like (this is actually a picture of a H&K USP .45 I found online):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2512/59234496.jpg

[Manifest Destiny]

I have settled on a Walther P-38 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_50/ai_112646121/). My Muslim fighter......Any opinions? :D

What calibers are you considering and how much do you want to spend?

[Lyfing]

I went and tried to buy one about a month ago. I went to two different pawn shops. They came back denied. Either it's a glitch or it's come down to that..!!

Later,
-Lyfing

[Galloglaich]

I own around 20 firearms. @ Thorum, the Walther is a good choice, but in my opinion the best 9mm in the world is a Browning Hi-Power. If you can find one you won't go wrong. @ Loki, I would really love to get my hands on an R1 or any of the FAL variants. I've wanted one for a long time, but the right deal has never passed my way. One of these days...

[Barreldriver]

http://www.gunsport.com/Win_M70_.300_Win_Mag.jpg


Winchester M70 Custom .300 Win. Mag, 24” bbl., McMillan stock, electroless nickel plated, Buehler mounts and rings. Picture shown is with scope but is not available on this rifle. $2595.00

I got this by means of my teenage foolery.

[RoyBatty]

I own around 20 firearms. @ Thorum, the Walther is a good choice, but in my opinion the best 9mm in the world is a Browning Hi-Power. If you can find one you won't go wrong. @ Loki, I would really love to get my hands on an R1 or any of the FAL variants. I've wanted one for a long time, but the right deal has never passed my way. One of these days...

A decent alternative to a Browning HP is a Tokarev. There are some similarities between those designs.

I used to own a S&W .38 but had to give it up after leaving SA. In the military I used FN's (as per Loki's original post). I was in the Navy at the time and they were equipped with original FAL's, not SA manufactured "R1's". (The same thing). It's a good rifle but it is on the heavy side and has a lot of recoil.

Imo there's nothing that beats an AK-47 for ease of use, effectiveness, reliability, availability of parts / ammo etc. It's not the most accurate rifle by any means but is good enough for use on targets at realistic ranges.

[Loki]

Oh I forgot to add that I owned a BRNO 30-06 hunting rifle, inherited from my father.

http://widforss.chiaro.mrfriday.com/auktioner/bilder/47/V08_531.jpg

[Birka]

About 10 or so. Don't want to let too many in this government know how many or which kind, they will try to take them away some day I fear.

Two brands that I recommend are Taurus for handguns, and Savage for rifles. Taurus are about as good as any Smith and Wesson, but for about 1/2 the price.

It is often stated that Savage makes the most accurate gun out of the box, meaning they are very, very accurate without having to have them tweaked up by a gunsmith. And they are very reasonable priced, much less than Weatherby or Remingtons for example.

[Loki]

I would like to own a Colt .45 calibre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911) ... one of the most famous and best pistols ever made. Great stopping power too.

http://www.rc-trucks.org/Colt-45.jpg

I'm also very fond of Smith & Wesson revolvers. 38 special or .45 ACP:

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smith-wesson.gif

[Ulf]

My ideal handgun:
Kimber Raptor II

http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HGkimber_120705A.jpg

[Galloglaich]

A decent alternative to a Browning HP is a Tokarev. There are some similarities between those designs.

I've never shot one. I'd really like to. I just googled up the schematics-there do seem to be some similarities in the mechanism. Interesting the way the recoil spring is around the barrel. It's an interesting firearm.


I used to own a S&W .38 but had to give it up after leaving SA. In the military I used FN's (as per Loki's original post). I was in the Navy at the time and they were equipped with original FAL's, not SA manufactured "R1's". (The same thing). It's a good rifle but it is on the heavy side and has a lot of recoil.

I have shot a variety of FAL variants. They are heavy, but the recoil doesn't bother me so much. I'm a big fan of 7.62 NATO and own a number of .308 Winchesters. The gas operation tends to tame them a bit. They certainly aren't the ideal assault rifle, but as far as the whole "battle rifle" thing goes I think they're pretty awesome. They tend to not be as accurate as some of the M1A/M14s I've shot, but for some reason I really like them. I think it's in the ergonomics.


Imo there's nothing that beats an AK-47 for ease of use, effectiveness, reliability, availability of parts / ammo etc. It's not the most accurate rifle by any means but is good enough for use on targets at realistic ranges.

I agree that this is one hell of a rifle. All the AKs I've ever shot were plenty accurate for "realistic" ranges and never hiccuped. Nice stopping power too. My father was an LRRP with the 101st in Vietnam, and he said that he definitely preferred the AK for that type of work (of course, no weapon ever lived up to the M14 in his estimation). I'm not going to slag the M16 family of weapons, and they have improved considerably over the years, but even some of the best ones still jam too often for my tastes (they are accurate as hell though :thumb001:). I'm not the biggest fan of 5.56 either, but the newer 6.8 chambering does excite me.


I would like to own a Colt .45 calibre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911) ... one of the most famous and best pistols ever made. Great stopping power too.

http://www.rc-trucks.org/Colt-45.jpg

I own a Colt, and I do have to admit it is a thing of beauty. It's not as accurate or reliable as my Hi-Power, though. Still, I'd feel quite comfortable trusting my life to it. I did run an attempted burglar out of my kitchen/back door with it once. The sound of that slide dropping and the big hole at the end of the barrel was enough to send him packing!


I'm also very fond of Smith & Wesson revolvers. 38 special or .45 ACP:

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smith-wesson.gif

I used to own a 686+ in .357 (It was stolen, but that's another sad story :mad:). Hands down, it was the most accurate revolver I've ever shot. My friend Shawn and I used to be able to hit 1 inch steel plates at 50 yards about 5 out of every 7 shots with it. It was amazing!

[Treffie]

This is what my gun looks like (this is actually a picture of a H&K USP .45 I found online):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2512/59234496.jpg

I likey! :D Unfortunately, the only guns we are allowed to own over here look like this.

http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/reloadable-water-pistol.jpg

It's reloadable. ;)

[Psychonaut]

I'm not going to slag the M16 family of weapons, and they have improved considerably over the years, but even some of the best ones still jam too often for my tastes (they are accurate as hell though :thumb001:).

Do they ever jam! I can hardly fire off an entire magazine without these pieces of crap misfiring at least once. I hear the M4s are better, but my assigned weapon is still an M16A2. :(

[Barreldriver]

Do they ever jam! I can hardly fire off an entire magazine without these pieces of crap misfiring at least once. I hear the M4s are better, but my assigned weapon is still an M16A2. :(

A2? Damn the Navy sure gets last dibs lol. I hear the A4 is standard for Army and Marines, at least that's what my bud on the inside says, also what's the deal with the XM8?

[Psychonaut]

A2? Damn the Navy sure gets last dibs lol. I hear the A4 is standard for Army and Marines, at least that's what my bud on the inside says, also what's the deal with the XM8?

Navy!? I'm in the fucking Army, boy! But seriously, I'm in a strategic MI unit, so we don't exactly get assigned top quality gear. As for the XM8, I'll shit my pants if that's in use before 2020.

[Barreldriver]

Navy!? I'm in the fucking Army, boy! But seriously, I'm in a strategic MI unit, so we don't exactly get assigned top quality gear. As for the XM8, I'll shit my pants if that's in use before 2020.

Shit I thought you were Navy. lol! My bad. :D I was hearing the XM8 was supposed to be out around 2020 officially, but some units use them now to test, much how the M16 was used in Nam.

[Galloglaich]

...I was hearing the XM8 was supposed to be out around 2020 officially, but some units use them now to test, much how the M16 was used in Nam.

The M16 was tested early on, but can be considered the main U.S. rifle of the war. I think the M16 was officially adopted in '64 and pretty much started seeing major use in '65. My old man served during Tet ('68), he did all his basic with the M14 and was pissed when he got "in country" and they handed him a '16. Luckily, he was in a position to use what he wanted (as a side note, he was one of the few who got to use the 1911 chambered in .38 Super-but that's another story) and spent most of his time in the bush with an "appropriated" AK-47.

As for the XM8, I think they keep pushing back the date-it is something like 2020 now. I'm currently pretty interested in finding someone with a 6.8 upper receiver for an AR and checking out that caliber. It seems like it would be pretty badass.

[Psychonaut]

I'm currently pretty interested in finding someone with a 6.8 upper receiver for an AR and checking out that caliber. It seems like it would be pretty badass.

Have you seen the AR15s that Bushmaster puts out that are chambered at .450 (http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWVMS20-45H.asp)?

http://www.bushmaster.com/images/catalog/xm_15_zoom/BCWVMS%2020-45.jpg

[RoyBatty]

I've never shot one. I'd really like to. I just googled up the schematics-there do seem to be some similarities in the mechanism. Interesting the way the recoil spring is around the barrel. It's an interesting firearm.


In some cases they may or may not be available as "Firebird" variants in 9mm Parabellum. I was set on getting one years ago but alas.. it didn't happen. The CZ75 Loki mentioned is also a decent sidearm. Perhaps the only thing I don't like about it is the smallish slide, meaning there's less to grip on in case you were trying to clear a jam.




I have shot a variety of FAL variants. They are heavy, but the recoil doesn't bother me so much. I'm a big fan of 7.62 NATO and own a number of .308 Winchesters. The gas operation tends to tame them a bit.


I admit, I'm a sissy, lol!!!!



They certainly aren't the ideal assault rifle,


I'd hate to have to lug it around. Too big, too heavy, impossible to use on automatic unless you have a bipod, not 100% convinced about reliability and ability to deal with dusty / sandy conditions.



but as far as the whole "battle rifle" thing goes I think they're pretty awesome. They tend to not be as accurate as some of the M1A/M14s I've shot, but for some reason I really like them. I think it's in the ergonomics.


It is a cool looking weapon, no doubt.



I agree that this is one hell of a rifle. All the AKs I've ever shot were plenty accurate for "realistic" ranges and never hiccuped. Nice stopping power too.


For me those are the only criteria which matter.

- Usable at realistic range. Obviously it's not a contender for competition shooting.

- Reliability. Nothing much to be said here. The AK has somewhat "loose" tolerances and is quite forgiving wrt fouling in unforgiving circumstances. Probably one of the most reliable assault rifles ever. This is way more important than being able to hit the center of a matchbox at 100 yards.




My father was an LRRP with the 101st in Vietnam, and he said that he definitely preferred the AK for that type of work (of course, no weapon ever lived up to the M14 in his estimation). I'm not going to slag the M16 family of weapons, and they have improved considerably over the years, but even some of the best ones still jam too often for my tastes (they are accurate as hell though :thumb001:). I'm not the biggest fan of 5.56 either, but the newer 6.8 chambering does excite me.


Cheers for the info :)



I own a Colt, and I do have to admit it is a thing of beauty. It's not as accurate or reliable as my Hi-Power, though. Still, I'd feel quite comfortable trusting my life to it. I did run an attempted burglar out of my kitchen/back door with it once. The sound of that slide dropping and the big hole at the end of the barrel was enough to send him packing!


Yup



I used to own a 686+ in .357 (It was stolen, but that's another sad story :mad:). Hands down, it was the most accurate revolver I've ever shot. My friend Shawn and I used to be able to hit 1 inch steel plates at 50 yards about 5 out of every 7 shots with it. It was amazing!


:)

[RoyBatty]

My old man served during Tet ('68), he did all his basic with the M14 and was pissed when he got "in country" and they handed him a '16. Luckily, he was in a position to use what he wanted (as a side note, he was one of the few who got to use the 1911 chambered in .38 Super-but that's another story) and spent most of his time in the bush with an "appropriated" AK-47.


Wow interesting info. I read similar accounts of soldiers unofficially using AK's but still interesting to hear about it 1st / 2nd hand.

A Russian friend of mine used AK-74's in Afghanistan (replacement of the '47). Not sure how well they stack up against the '47 but they're probably not too bad.

[Thorum]

What calibers are you considering and how much do you want to spend?

9mm; .357; .44 @ $1000

Well, well, well. I must say, you all have shown some beautiful weapons here. And you are much, much, more intelligent and knowledgeable. Me, I just want to shoot the fuck out of the deer out back eating my new trees, blow the knees off someone coming in the house and at the same time either:

1) Own a bit of history - Walther P-38 or

2) Something powerful - Smith & Wesson Model 686 6" .357 Magnum.

The weapon I purchase will be used often, not sitting on the wall to be gawked at..........

[Frigga]

You should all look into the .35 Remington round. You can get it in a beautiful lever gun from Marlin. It is not a super long range round, but it is very accurate within 150 yards. It is a very hard hitting round, with surprisingly little recoil. It hits harder within it's effective range than a 30-06, but with noticely reduced recoil. And, let's be realistic, how often are you going to be needing sniper capabilities in the real world? Open sights, fast handling lever guns are some of the best in the world. Yes, they're cowboy firearms, but I think that the cowboys knew a good thing when they saw it.

Marlin is a great company. Great guns, and not too bad of prices. The LeverRevolution though I think is an overpriced, unnecessary development. The cowboy rounds were upclose and personal rounds. Remington is good too. I do not have experince with Savage.

Scopes I think are overrated. In a real life situation, the majority of the time, you are going to curse the scope on your rifle preventing you from making quick close shots, as a scope is so easy to bang out of alignment from everyday life.

Ideally, you'd have a good sidearm, I vote for revolvers, as they're so reliable. I think that a .357 magnum in a small gun is a big as you should go, because the recoil in a .44 magnum will cause you to lose your target. Big heavy revolvers if a .44 is your hearts desire. Then a good shotgun, either a double barrel, or pump action, in either 12 or 20 gauge. Then you will want some type of rifle. I vote for bolt action, or lever action. Again, reliability. If the world goes into the pot, do you really want a gun that may malfunction and need to be taken to a gunsmith? What if there isn't one? Not everyone who buys a semi-automatic is trained to fieldstrip their firearms. I prefer simplicity. Also, open sights. You can put a scope on if you want to, but if you have to take the scope off, open sights are a necessity.

That's all this knitting girl has to say about firearms for the time being. ;)

:)

[Manifest Destiny]

I'm also very fond of Smith & Wesson revolvers. 38 special or .45 ACP:

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smith-wesson.gif

If you buy a revolver, get a .357 Magnum. You can also shoot .38 Special rounds through it.

[Manifest Destiny]

9mm; .357; .44 @ $1000

Well, well, well. I must say, you all have shown some beautiful weapons here. And you are much, much, more intelligent and knowledgeable. Me, I just want to shoot the fuck out of the deer out back eating my new trees, blow the knees off someone coming in the house and at the same time either:

1) Own a bit of history - Walther P-38 or

2) Something powerful - Smith & Wesson Model 686 6" .357 Magnum.

The weapon I purchase will be used often, not sitting on the wall to be gawked at..........

Semi-automatic or revolver?

[Galloglaich]

Have you seen the AR15s that Bushmaster puts out that are chambered at .450 (http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWVMS20-45H.asp)?

http://www.bushmaster.com/images/catalog/xm_15_zoom/BCWVMS%2020-45.jpg


I've seen 'em, but never shot 'em. I'd like to test the .450, along with the .50 Beowulf and the 6.5 Grendel alternate chamberings for the AR series. Since I have no real world experience with any of them all I can do is watch YouTube clips and look at the ballistics. They seem like they would all be pretty impressive in the right applications. From a ballistic POV, I'm still pretty pumped by the 6.8 idea, great stopping power with superior downrange performance and accuracy, and the round still fits in a standard magazine (albeit with -2 capacity).


Wow interesting info. I read similar accounts of soldiers unofficially using AK's but still interesting to hear about it 1st / 2nd hand.

Thanks. It is interesting. I think the official reasoning was that since he was recon and hence in "enemy territory", the distinctive bark of the AK didn't compromise the team's position as badly as the sound of the M16 did. Those weren't the reasons my father stated for preferring it, but I'm sure it didn't hurt either.


A Russian friend of mine used AK-74's in Afghanistan (replacement of the '47). Not sure how well they stack up against the '47 but they're probably not too bad.

I'm sure the '74 was a suitable replacement and a great weapon system. A friend of mine's husband is a Russian veteran of the Afghanistan campaign, and he spoke highly of it. I wonder if the 5.45 X 39 doesn't suffer from some of same limitations that hamper the 5.56, though (lack of stopping power-see U.S. actions in Mogadishu for reference). I'm definitely not saying I'd be willing to get shot with one to find out, either.

[Thorum]

Semi-automatic or revolver?

Doesn't matter, either way.

[Rudy]

For a deer, I think a .44 would be the best of the three calibers previously mentioned. I have long been interested in the Marlin lever guns in .44 magnum.

[Solwyn]

I learned to shoot when my father taught me on a .357, so if I ever did purchase one, I think I'd go for that because it's familiar. I haven't actually discharged a weapon since about 1992, but I was told by a friend who instructs that my hands haven't forgotten. However, being your typical Canadian who doesn't live in an arm-thyself culture, I probably won't be buying it any time soon, unless I end up living in the US at some point down the road. Considering the economy, I don't see that happening too soon. :p

[Manifest Destiny]

Doesn't matter, either way.

In that case, I'd recommend a H&K USP for 9mm. They're pricey, but worth it.

For a 44 Magnum, I'd recommend a Ruger Super Redhawk revolver.

For .357, I'd recommend a Ruger GP100 or SP101 revovler (depending on how big your hands are).

[Frigga]

You also want to keep in mind the barrel length. I think that between 2 1/2 inches to 6 inches is good for a .357. But you need at least a 3 inch barrel for a .44 I think. But, you don't want to go too long of a barrel length in a revolver either. My older brother in law got a 10 1/2 inch barrel length revolver in .44 magnum from Ruger, and he found it really awkward to carry, and aim. I personally think that a 4-6 barrel length is ideal unless you want to conceal carry. Then, shorter is better, within reason.

[Elveon]

SPAS-12


http://www.leviathan666.com/xhtml/armes/images/Spas12.jpg

Here's mine, I got it since 1982; Now banned in France. No prob...Need ammo? Week end in Switzerland that's all:D

[Bloodeagle]

I own a few firearms.:D
I live in Alaska and live a semi subsistence lifestyle.

I have a 300 Rem Ultra Mag for hunting moose.http://deltana.com/hunting/moose/large/Moose%202007%20001.jpg

I have a 375 H&H Magnum for hunting Alaska Brown Bear.http://www.alaskatrophyadventures.com/chads%20bear%20161.jpg

I have a S&W 500 xframe for backup and all around back country travel.http://www.gunshopfinder.com/smithandwesson/model500.jpg

I have a 12 gauge scatter gun for home defense!2Wp2FYPZeNU

[Rainraven]

I've never fired one either :( It must be an adrenaline rush:D...

Maybe one day we will Foxie :)

I did for the first time this summer :eek: was so exciting!
Just some sort of hunting rifle of a friends. We went and had target practice and I managed to beat him and his brother who both go hunting :D I blame it on the amount of time I spend looking through a cross hair for surveying.

Alas I don't own one but that is probably a good thing! :p

[Vargtand]

Don't own one at the moment. our gun laws suck!

[Groenewolf]

I do not own fire-arms at the moment. Our gunlaws are very strict.

[lei.talk]

...inherited from my father.my father was in the military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps).

there was, always, large quantities of military "surplus"
in our quarters through my child-hood.

my father's side-arm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol), long-gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand),
m&p pump-action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_37)
(priceless for its short slide-throw,
eight-round capacity and lack of a disconnector)
and many other interesting items
are in my care.

[Svarog]

My household have legal guns yeah, i am not the owner myself nor i am planning to become one, i am pretty much repealed by fire weapons, not my style :cool:

[Paleo]

Barrett M107 .50 Caliber sniper rifle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJp14tkBlU

[Atlas]

Hmm not me personally but my father owns 7 hunting rifle and one semi-automatic pistol. Yeah, he is a hunter, I may become one too, you have to pass a licence, I think it is an interesting hobby for some people in Europe and America.

[Ladejarlen]

Don't own one at the moment. our gun laws suck!

Same here in Norway, hard to get a gun.

[Barreldriver]

I'm thinking of getting one of these, don't know if it's worth it though:

http://www.swordsswords.com/Aluminum-Pistol-Self-Cocking-Hunting-Crossbow.aspx

[Psychonaut]

I'm thinking of getting one of these, don't know if it's worth it though:

http://www.swordsswords.com/Aluminum-Pistol-Self-Cocking-Hunting-Crossbow.aspx

A $25 crossbow? You'd get what you pay for. I wouldn't expect much accuracy at all from something that cheap.

[Barreldriver]

A $25 crossbow? You'd get what you pay for. I wouldn't expect much accuracy at all from something that cheap.

It's a mark down, the original price is 60 bucks, still pretty cheapo, I figure I might as well save up for a decent firearm. That winmag. of mine is impractical I want something a bit more "concealable".

[Barreldriver]

What about this http://www.swordsswords.com/Trailblazer-150-Pound-Hunting-Crossbow.aspx

Original price 150, marked down to 89.99

[Psychonaut]

What about this http://www.swordsswords.com/Trailblazer-150-Pound-Hunting-Crossbow.aspx

Original price 150, marked down to 89.99

Dude...if you want to buy a crossbow, you should look at a store (web or otherwise) that specializes in crossbows. Buying a discounted crossbow from a sword dealer is probably not setting yourself up for success.

[Barreldriver]

Dude...if you want to buy a crossbow, you should look at a store (web or otherwise) that specializes in crossbows. Buying a discounted crossbow from a sword dealer is probably not setting yourself up for success.

True. lol I'm in a thrifty mood, I should probably wait till I'm set on what I want for sure.

I'm looking at this baby right here: http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G9130

[Rudy]

Saigas are the best values for rifles. The AK 2009 models are very reliable.
They were a lot better back when they were only $200.
http://www.gilbertsguns.com/Rifles/Saiga/Saiga+7+62x39+16+3+Rifle

[The Lawspeaker]

True. lol I'm in a thrifty mood, I should probably wait till I'm set on what I want for sure.

I'm looking at this baby right here: http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G9130
Weapons are not the thing to buy when you are in a Dutch mood. If it would be allowed to have one here I would surely spend $4000 on a sword.
I dream of owning a schiavona.

[Barreldriver]

Weapons are not the thing to buy when you are in a Dutch mood. If it would be allowed to have one here I would surely spend $4000 on a sword.
I dream of owning a schiavona.

Ya'll are not even allowed swords? Damn that sucks.

[Groenewolf]

Ya'll are not even allowed swords? Damn that sucks.

That would be a very resent thing. As far as I know you can own swords.

[The Lawspeaker]

That would be a very resent thing. As far as I know you can own swords.
That would be new to me if I can own them. I have always heard that they were banned as well. I'll look it up.

[The Lawspeaker]

It seems to me that the Wet wapens en munitie (http://www.wetboek-online.nl/wet/Wwm/s43828041.html) (1997) also includes swords:


2°.
degens, zwaarden, sabels en bajonetten; (Article 2)

But I think that it remains unclear whether it means having it with you in public or that it also means to have them in your possession without a formal permit.

[Groenewolf]

That would be new to me if I can own them. I have always heard that they were banned as well. I'll look it up.

Neither swords or guns are banned. However with guns you need a special lisence. Gun and ammonition need to be stored seperatly. They may not be transported ready to use, ect.

Swords are easier to get. But also suffer from transportationrestrictions.

[The Lawspeaker]

Neither swords or guns are banned. However with guns you need a special lisence. Gun and ammonition need to be stored seperatly. They may not be transported ready to use, ect.

Swords are easier to get. But also suffer from transportationrestrictions.
O.K Now with this article you just posted about finger printing and that in combination with the mandatory ID-cards and wiretapping has left our democracy (what's left of it) in a very perilous state !

[Freomæg]

The closest I'm permitted is a crossbow, which I might buy (pistol crossbow) for self defense. They've essentially disarmed Europe in order to prevent armed dissent to the EU and the growing tyrannical power.

To those who hunt:
Just want to check I'm getting this right. Do you really hunt moose and bears for the pure fun? I mean, do you do it for the skin, or for self defense? 'Cos if it's just for fun, I've gotta say - that's pretty terrible.

[Skandi]

The closest I'm permitted is a crossbow, which I might buy (pistol crossbow) for self defense. They've essentially disarmed Europe in order to prevent armed dissent to the EU and the growing tyrannical power.

To those who hunt:
Just want to check I'm getting this right. Do you really hunt moose and bears for the pure fun? I mean, do you do it for the skin, or for self defense? 'Cos if it's just for fun, I've gotta say - that's pretty terrible.

Sorry Cythral you need a firearms cert for most crossbows and they come under the same restrictions as guns. About the only weapon you can have here is a bow, there are no restrictions on transportation or power (except your strength that is) other than it may not be carried strung, or in the case of compounds, must be cased.

Of course you cannot hunt with them either :rolleyes:

[Freomæg]

Sorry Cythral you need a firearms cert for most crossbows and they come under the same restrictions as guns.
Really? Even one of these? (http://www.merlinarcherycentre.co.uk/acatalog/Tomcat_Pistol_Crossbow.html) I know it's not very powerful, but it could do some damage at close range. There's nothing on that website, that I can see, that indicates any restrictions (other than age).

[Skandi]

Right I can't find the thing I was thinking of but the act here (http://www.uk-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1987/cukpga_19870032_en_1) shouldn't be a problem for you, I remember that when I was the secutary of the rife club and the archery club at the same time the archery clubs crossbows had to be locked away in the rifle clubs store, maybe it was just a by-law or something, hmm.

[Groenewolf]

O.K Now with this article you just posted about finger printing and that in combination with the mandatory ID-cards and wiretapping has left our democracy (what's left of it) in a very perilous state !


The closest I'm permitted is a crossbow, which I might buy (pistol crossbow) for self defense. They've essentially disarmed Europe in order to prevent armed dissent to the EU and the growing tyrannical power.

I gona respond to this two in go. It is indeed true that they have disarmed us to prevent a popular uprising against growing despotism. For the ancient Saxons it was law to be armed. No it is practicaly law to be disarmed.

[Frigga]

To those who hunt:
Just want to check I'm getting this right. Do you really hunt moose and bears for the pure fun? I mean, do you do it for the skin, or for self defense? 'Cos if it's just for fun, I've gotta say - that's pretty terrible.

Ummm........

Why would you think that? Yes, there are sadistic people out there who shoot animals just for fun, and leave them there, but that is a sterotype that has been overly hyped up by movies, and organizations like the PETA. Usually it's little animals that are shot at for target practice, like brush rabbits, or squirrels. It is illegal to shoot a game animal and waste it. But, it's easier to leave little creatures out in the forest like that as opposed to big game animals, as the evidence of a moose or bear lying dead in the woods is harder to hide as opposed to a rabbit. I don't agree with people who are that insensitive. Matter of fact, those type of people make me very angry.

But, as far as most people who hunt big game animals, there's something else that you're not alluding to as to why people choose to hunt. As far as your statement in your post, it makes hunters sound like a bunch of drunken yahoos who go whooping it up, shooting at all they can see. I personally find it a little judgemental, and narrow-minded.

I'm not a hunter, but my boyfriend is. I've helped him butcher 3 deer, and 15 wild pigs. I have to say that from helping him out, that it's not for "fun" that he is a hunter. He gets excited when he sees wild pigs, as he has told me his hunter's blood always comes up when he sees wild hogs. He doesn't always feel that way when deer hunting. He has passed up on really small legal bucks, as he has told me that he would feel too bad about taking a young buck that wasn't in the prime of his life. But, I've been with him when we're looking at the animal he's killed, and, yes, he's excited, but not because he satiated his blood lust. It's usually because it was a hard hunt, it's been a while since he got a game animal, and he was able to secure us game meat. That's why the hunter in this family hunts. It's for the supreme meat that comes to the table, because we know where it came from, and it was never on a feed lot, and wasn't injected with hormones. We know also that this animal had a good life, living what all animals should be able to live: Ranging free, and being just themselves. Wild game animals like deer and pigs are very smart, and it takes a lot of skill to be able to harvest one. So, you can feel like you have earned it when you sit down to a meal of venison sauerbrauten from a buck you either shot yourself, or helped butcher.

He has told me that when he was 13, his hunter's instinct just came up, and he felt this drive to be out in the woods, with his trusty dog, and his shotgun, and to learn how to hunt. And that he always feels a great deal of respect for each animal he is able to take home. And if he makes a bad shot, which every hunter makes, and the animal is only wounded, and runs off, never to be secured, he feels terrible about it.

It's not for "fun" and it's not just for the skin, or the mount. It's deeper than that. It is about respecting our heritage of being hunters and gatherers, and to not let that part of us die with being "civilized". It's about taking responsibilty for the life you take everytime you take a bite of meat, even if it comes from the supermarket. It's about doing for yourself what you don't want to have to depend on the system for. It's about learning skills that are so important if society as a whole collapses. These are skills that everyone should learn, and it's a shame that more people don't know them.

[Psychonaut]

It's not for "fun" and it's not just for the skin, or the mount. It's deeper than that. It is about respecting our heritage of being hunters and gatherers, and to not let that part of us die with being "civilized". It's about taking responsibilty for the life you take everytime you take a bite of meat, even if it comes from the supermarket. It's about doing for yourself what you don't want to have to depend on the system for. It's about learning skills that are so important if society as a whole collapses. These are skills that everyone should learn, and it's a shame that more people don't know them.

Well said. I can hardly think of a more natural or primal impulse than to hunt. It's something that's been bred into us for tens of thousands of years; something that modern sensibilities cannot and should not be able to erase.

[Karaten]

How about you come and find out? :mad:

[Smaland]

Do they ever jam! I can hardly fire off an entire magazine without these pieces of crap misfiring at least once. I hear the M4s are better, but my assigned weapon is still an M16A2. :(

My sister is retired from the Air Force, and she doesn't like M16's either. :D

[Svipdag]

You betcher boots I do ! In fact, I collect 'em. I have about 66 pistols and 12 long arms ranging in age from a late 17th century wheelock pistol to a 2009
Taurus "Judge" 3" Magnum revolver. Do I know how to shoot them ? Yes, I do.

Neither my eyesight nor my muscular steadiness are what they were, but, for home defense, they are both adequate. The Taurus "Judge" may be shot with either .45 Long Colt cartridges or .410 2 1/2" or 3" shotshells which, when loaded with #000 buckshot make it a formidable riot-control weapon.

I also have a 5-shot pump-action Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun for which I have both shells loaded with #00 buckshot and with 12-gauge (.735") solid slugs.

Yes, all-in-all, I think that you might say that I own a gun.

[Sol Invictus]

Glock 35 and an M1 Garand. Buying a mossberg 590 after a couple more paycheques and limiting myself to those three arms. Anything more than I can carry with me is dead weight thus a waste of money, and I can't be bothered to buy ammo for six different firearms that fire six different calibres. Three is actually more than I need in actuality. I'd be better off sticking with a good sidearm and a mossberg and double up on the ammo.

[Frigga]

Aw man, you live in a state where you can have the Judge? Grr... I hate California's gun laws. :grumpy:

[Loxias]

No, I don't. I held a gun only once in my life. It was a makarov in Latvia.
At the moment I don't see how it could enhance my life or make it any better, actually it would just put a further dent on my finances. So, I am not even interested.

[Mesrine]

The only "gun" I have actually gives life. :cool:

[Loxias]

The only "gun" I have actually gives life. :cool:

Same, although mine is a riffle. :D
Got it for free, and without a licence needed. :cool:

[Ariets]

I cannot own a gun at the moment because of totally fucked up fascist license law in Poland

[Sabinae]

I dont...but my dad has a license and a gun for some years now! I'm kind of afraid of having a gun around the house...

[Bard]

I don't own a gun, laws in Italy are quite uhm... "non-sense"?
You to pass through a lot of burocracy, having a gun license and give them a motivation to allow you keep a gun (i.e. living in a place where there are many crimes or so on).
When you finally have a gun, you must keep it unloaded in a safe place in the house, so if a burglar breaks in your home it's not exactly funny having to find the gun and load it and if you shoot the burglar in your home you probably risk to go to jail (yes, you not the burglar).
By the way my father now owns some old hunting rifles (my mom's father was a hunter), double barrelled shotguns I think, but having no hunting license and no gun license, they are in a locked chest in the attic.

[Hussar]

The only "gun" I have actually gives life. :cool:




Same, although mine is a riffle.
Got it for free, and without a licence needed.


Believe it or not.........i foresaw similar comments from Sav-Lox.....:D

[Hussar]

Seriously :

My father was in the military so he had a license. For many yrs in my house there was a 357 MAGNUM and a BERETTA 92.

2 yrs ago we decided to sell them.

[Tabiti]

No, I don't have license and I'm not very interested in getting one actually (nor to search for illegal gun).

[Bard]

No, I don't have license and I'm not very interested in getting one actually (nor to search for illegal gun).
I think I will get a gun license instead and probably a gun.
I think guns are quite fascinating, I don't know why, maybe it's our nature or it's just me but as I like old swords and medieval weapons I like guns.
I want to specify by the way that i'm not a crazy militarist and I don't like killing or hurting people.

[Damião de Góis]

I don't have any guns. In fact i never held one and i don't know how to shoot.
I didn't go to the army because of college.

[Germanicus]

At the moment i have no firearms, but i am familiar with anything that shoots lead... or Bismuth.
Over the years i have fired all kinds of weapons, legal, and illegal.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/eley_vip_bismuth_cartridges_jpg_e_3.jpg


http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/winchestersupergradeskeetgun.jpg


http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/BCAKECY5SCACK162QCAJ4XFVICAC3HYWXCA.jpg

[Ulf]

I like how people blame guns for crime, like blaming the hammer for hitting your thumb.

Surely it couldn't be the mentality and social situations of the person wielding the weapon!

Such an irrational fear of an inanimate object should be met with a trip to a psychologist.

[Piparskeggr]

I carried one of the Ithaca M&P's as battalion commander's driver when I was in the Guard back in the mid - late 70's.

Had the 17" WW 1 era bayonet.

[Piparskeggr]

Looks like, except for a couple of y'all, both Anita and I each have more gun safes that most have firearms ;) We have modern breech loaders of all sorts, and muzzle loaded rifles and pistols.

I've handled firearms since the age of 5 and bought my first rifle the day I turned 18 in 1975. It is a Marlin Glenfield Model 60 semiautomatic .22 with a tubular magazine below the barrel. Dollar for dollar it is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned, within the limits of the load.

I've bought and sold firearms in 6 US states and hunted in 15. I've been a competitive shooter with bow, pistol, rifle and shotgun, Anita the latter 3.

I am, as is Anita, a veteran of the military service of the US. Some of the crew served weapons we fired under those circumstances are not suitable for individual ownership, but all of the individual arms are...

I believe that every freeborn individual has a Gods' given right to own the means for protecting themselves, their loved ones and their property, including firearms.

However, I also believe that education and proper training MUST be a part of firearms ownership. They are a tool that can have dire effect much more readily that most other tools.

I also have over 200 non-firearm weapons in the house (knives, swords, spears, axes, maces, hammers, bows, staffs)...many years of historical re-creation will do that. :thumbs

I have shot a man once in my life, in the line of duty. It is a feeling I wish on no one.

[Loxias]

Believe it or not.........i foresaw similar comments from Sav-Lox.....:D

You know the French spirit, dear transalpine neighbour. :D

[Loxias]

Seriously, if I had a gun, as I know how much I like fiddling with pretty much everything that comes to my hands, I would probably end up with a hole in the wall or in my foot very fast.

[Black Turlogh]

I don't. I can't say that I feel any particular need for one. Perhaps I'd be willing to buy a musket or arquebus, but only as a curiosity.

[Loxias]

Arquebuse is awesome. I wish to get into archery at some point, also. I think bows have much more style than guns.

[Black Turlogh]

Arquebuse is awesome. I wish to get into archery at some point, also. I think bows have much more style than guns.

Aye, agreed. The only trouble in my case is that I've tried my hand at archery and it was a right mess. I'd be a bloody awful soldier. :p

[Arrow Cross]

Nothing illegal to see here, move along.

http://gunbox.park.itigia.hu/img/product/275.jpg

[Piparskeggr]

I do most of my shooting with either bow and arrow or air rifle these days. I have a 5 meter range in my basement with an archery target and pellet trap.

[Bard]

Bow is cool, I've tried once, and it doesn't make noise :D

[Piparskeggr]

One of my summer jobs as a teenager was a dream come true, I ran the archery range at the local YMCA day camp: 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for 8 weeks...with campers there an average of just 3 - 4 hours each day.

I sent thousands of arrows down range in that time :thumbs

[Gwynyvyr]

I own three.
Shotgun, handgun and semi-auto rifle.
Everyone should own those three *basics*.

When my fella and I get married, we'll share:)
He has around 30 firearms including a nice sniper rifle and a .50 cal.
We are also buying cross bows, re-curves and long bows as both of us have an interest in bow hunting.

I wouldn't live anywhere where I was not able to own firearms for self defense, hunting, and, if need be, to fight against a rogue government.

[Fiona]

Apparently you are statistically more likely to kill your own family members than anyone else. I have a nigger-stick instead. I'd be too afraid to use a gun or knife.

[Sikeliot]

I don't have it in me to shoot a gun, much less at someone else, even if in self defense.

[BeerBaron]

Ya heres my advise, you can do more damage with a long range hunting or sniper rifle in .300 win mag or .338 lapua then you can with any sort or civilian assault rifle and far more than any useless handgun.

So, long range rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun, you're set for life

[Neanderthal]

This:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Rifle_AK-47.jpg/300px-Rifle_AK-47.jpg

And this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-pY8Z9yez00/SIx9_9L0PGI/AAAAAAAAAWM/FvvITFLW1Lk/s1600/bersa_380.jpg
:)

[Mordid]

This:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Rifle_AK-47.jpg/300px-Rifle_AK-47.jpg

And this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-pY8Z9yez00/SIx9_9L0PGI/AAAAAAAAAWM/FvvITFLW1Lk/s1600/bersa_380.jpg
:)

I remember one of your picture that you was holding a machine gun or something like that......Is it fake ? ;)

[Blossom]

Is ass considered a gun? :lol:

Guns are for pussies!

[Boudica]

damn right i do.

[Max]

Got an AK 74(Saiga sgl 31) Century AR15-A1 Remington 870 express 28'. Springfield 1911 Mil spec, S/W 629 .44 mag, 2 Mosin Nagants and a few .22's. I had more but I sell the guns that I don't like. Had some Colts,HK's, XD's, Sigs but mehhh.At the moment I am trying to build an FAL with my friend. Also trying to get a better AR anybody selling/trading? Gunbroker? :)

[Laubach]

Yeah i have a Magnum. 45 and a Shotgun

[Dario Argento]

No, we don't like guns here. Guns are for bolivians/niggers and rednecks hunting deers in the patagonia.

[askra]

yes off course.......













....this model:

http://static.wix.com/media/95ef88bac2dec0d161bf612bfc9d0941.wix_mp


:cool:

[Neanderthal]

Yes Mordy, is a real gun.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Used to own an AR-15 a year ago but I sold it.

[Loddfafner]

Yes I am armed. I am an American.

[Mordid]

Yes Mordy, is a real gun.

Por qué eres tan mentiroso?

[Lithium]

If I own a gun I would shoot most of the people around me.

[Mazik]

Yeah, I own a shotgun :)

[Svipdag]

Yes. I own about 175 guns, mostly pistols, and 12 long arms.There is nothing wrong with the Walther P-38. It is a fine weapon. Personally, I prefer a little more fire-power. So, my personal defense weapon is a Taurus Judge in .45/.410 which, at the moment is loaded with .410 shotshells containing 000 buckshot, the pellets of which are just about 9 mm. across. So, each shot is about as effective as three shots from a 9 mm. handgun. It also takes .45 Long Colt cartridges, however, which contain more powder than the more familiar .45 ACP cartridge used in the M1911 Colt.

[Oneeye]

Just five at the moment.


I've been around guns my whole life. Haven't had any lapses of self control nor have I hurt others with them
:rolleyes:

[Mortimer]

no i dont. if i had one i would first need to learn how to shoot, how to change the magazine and how to handle the gun and take care of it.

[achat]

I have a 375 H&H Magnum for hunting Alaska Brown Bear.

[Maintenance]

No, only Knives and axes :P

[Herr Abubu]

Just five at the moment.


I've been around guns my whole life. Haven't had any lapses of self control nor have I hurt others with them
:rolleyes:


If I own a gun I would shoot most of the people around me.

One has to wonder if the reason leftists like this filthy degenerate I quoted are so anti-gun is because they project their compulsion to kill everything around them onto sane people.

[Oneeye]

One has to wonder if the reason leftists like this filthy degenerate I quoted are so anti-gun is because they project their compulsion to kill everything around them onto sane people.
I've wondered that before, to be honest. Big city gun crimes are mostly leftist on leftist anyways. I think it extends to paying for social programs (much less likely to contribute to charities or volunteer), and even political correctness (projecting the thoughts they feel guilty for)

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[Svipdag]

Yes. I own about 175 guns, mostly pistols, and 12 long arms.There is nothing wrong with the Walther P-38. It is a fine weapon. Personally, I prefer a little more fire-power. So, my personal defense weapon is a Taurus Judge in .45/.410 which, at the moment is loaded with .410 shotshells containing 000 buckshot, the pellets of which are just about 9 mm. across. So, each shot is about as effective as three shots from a 9 mm. handgun. It also takes .45 Long Colt cartridges, however, which contain more powder than the more familiar .45 ACP cartridge used in the M1911 Colt.

Unfortunately, my post contains a very misleading typo. I have about 75, NOT 175 firearms. Sorry about that. i don't know how that misleading "1" slipped by me.

[Al-Meksiki]

Growing up in Wisconsin, I had a few guns; nothing special, just a .22 mm rifle and a .410 shotgun. Since moving I had to leave them back with my family, and haven't been able to navigate local law or had the money to get new ones

[Bezprym]

I don't need a gun, I have charisma.

[Al-Meksiki]

I don't need a gun, I have charisma.

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/83/7/856735637-quote-you-can-get-more-with-a-kind-word-and-a-gun-than-you-can-with-a-kind-word-alone-al-capone-339819.jpg

[Bezprym]

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/83/7/856735637-quote-you-can-get-more-with-a-kind-word-and-a-gun-than-you-can-with-a-kind-word-alone-al-capone-339819.jpg

I don't plan residing in prison. ;)

[Dema]

I own a gun legally. Had a Smith & Wesson .44 Mag, but i sold it and got Beretta .22 because bullet's are much cheaper and it's good for precision shooting and competitive shooting. Also i am member of Croatian shooting federation. It's a good hobby but little expensive.

[Bezprym]

Takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run

:yo:

[Linebacker]

We have multiple guns in the house.Pistols,rifles,hunting shotguns.

[Laberia]

I don't need a gun, I have charisma.

A real man is someone with a piece of iron in his pocket and a Mercedes Benz.

[Laberia]

I have an AK-47 and a TT.

[LieDetector]

3 handguns, 1 assault rifle, and 2 hunting rifles.

My dad on the other hand has 7 handguns, 5 assault rifles, and 2 hunting rifles.

[nittionia]

We have many for hunting our food. One above our fireplace for defense though:
https://i.imgur.com/TDYFx4x.jpg

[coolfrenchguy]

I don't plan residing in prison. ;)

but the traduction is more "better to be polite and gun carrying than shortly polite"
because in french is "vaux mieux etre poli et armé que poli tout court"
vaux mieux = providing/better
etre poli = be polite
armé = gun carrying
tout court= shortly
que =than
i think is more nearer of the original dry sacarstic phrase of al capone

[RenaRyuguu]

No I don't need one. I know other ways in case it's needed

[catgeorge]

Yes I have guns in Greece - we have long hunting tradition once every six months. My father has six semi autos and rifles.

Hunting in the mountains with family is the best experience and something I miss the most being in the new world.

[El_Jibaro]

I have two rifles, for hunting.

One a 300 caliber win mag bolt with zeiss visor and appel mounts and another a caliber 308 single shot with avistar visor and leupold mounts.

[gixajo]

Not since I was in the military.

I have an air rifle in the attic of my parents' house, but I don't have lead shots to shot it, and it hasn't been fired for at least 15 years, so maybe it doesn´t work.

[Roy]

I don't own one.

[Blondie]

No, but i want. Unfortunatelly very hard to get gun permit in Hungary.

[Oneeye]

I lost them all in a boating accident :(

[CordedWhelp]

I own all of the guns.

[Family Man]

I'm from Idaho, enough said. This freedom is a gift from God and we don't forget it.

[Chron]

Wouldn't you like to know, Mr. Fed :smokin01: