France to Declassify Transsexuality as a Mental Illness

[Beorn]

France to Declassify Transsexuality as a Mental Illness

On the day before the International Day Against Homophobia (http://www.homophobiaday.org/), French Minister of Health Roselyne Bachelot wanted to send a "strong signal" to the world about homophobia and, in particular, transsexuality. Mme. Bachelot announced today that French health services will no longer classify transsexuality as a mental illness (http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/depeches/societe/20090516.FAP2472/la_transsexualite_va_cesser_detre_une_maladie_ment ale_e.html). A spokesman for the Ministry of Health clarified the move by saying that there will remain a medical classification for transsexuality because transsexual individuals still require specialized medical care. Trans groups across the nation welcomed the move and hope that the World Health Organization (WHO) will follow France's lead. In 1996, the WHO listed transsexualism in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD 10) as a "disorder of sexual identity." The Collective Against Homophobia hailed the the French government's move today as a milestone for transgender people, who "will no longer be stigmatized and considered by France as the mentally ill." However, some groups remain cautious, saying that symbolic gestures need to be followed by deliberate actions, specifically easing the transition process from the civil and legal perspectives. The fight against transphobia (http://www.lesquotidiennes.com/sexualit%C3%A9/ignor%C3%A9s-ou-violent%C3%A9s-les-transsexuels-revendiquent-le-droit-%C3%A0-vivre-en-paix.html) is the theme of this year's International Day Against Homophobia (http://www.homophobiaday.org/), which takes place annually on May 17. Vive la France!
Source (http://carnalnation.com/content/6419/4/france-declassify-transsexuality-mental-illness)


Question is when the French, under a strong, majority Muslim government, will revoke this absolute insanity?

Until that time arrives, we are stuck with mental illnesses not being recognised as mental illnesses in the "admirable" aim to treat each other as equals.

Vive La France!

[The Lawspeaker]

I guess that the French government has fallen prey to a mental illness themselves..

[Vargtand]

I think they decided to keep it as a mental illness in Sweden, otherwise they would not be allowed to recive state funded treatment or some such. :P I hope this means the fuckers have to pay for it them self in France.

[Vulpix]

I think they decided to keep it as a mental illness in Sweden, otherwise they would not be allowed to recive state funded treatment or some such. :P I hope this means the fuckers have to pay for it them self in France.

*Cough*

Transvestism 'no longer a disease' in Sweden
(http://www.thelocal.se/15728/20081117/)

[Vargtand]

*Cough*

Transvestism 'no longer a disease' in Sweden
(http://www.thelocal.se/15728/20081117/)

yeah but if I don't remember wrong they do make a distinction between Transsexuals and Transvestites. and the article it self does not concern it self with transsexualism at all, only with transvestites.

Yup I was correct as always.


- Andra sexuella beteenden som till exempel transsexualism, exhibitionism, voyeurism och pedofili kommer att finnas kvar som diagnoser. Och de kommer inte att tas bort i ett senare skede, enligt Lars-Erik Holm.

Rough translation..
Other sexual behaviours such as transsexualism, exhibitionism, voyurism and paedophilia will remain as diagnosis. and will not be removed at a later date.
Source (http://www.dagen.se/dagen/article.aspx?id=160141)

[Atlas]

Pathetic, I am ashamed of my country. So funny Sarkozy once elected wanted a conservative France... I already consider homos like disturbed individuals but transsexual are above mental illness, I'd lock them up in camp.

[Loddfafner]

I see a category error here. Can't one simply dislike transsexuality without framing it in concepts like mental illness? I don't see how putting transsexuals in the same box as schizophrenics and psychotics helps to deal with the reality of their existence. Also, it stretches the concept of mental illness so thinly as to invite multiculturalists to insist that actual psychosis is just a mere difference we need to be embracing.

[Aemma]

I see a category error here. Can't one simply dislike transsexuality without framing it in concepts like mental illness? I don't see how putting transsexuals in the same box as schizophrenics and psychotics helps to deal with the reality of their existence. Also, it stretches the concept of mental illness so thinly as to invite multiculturalists to insist that actual psychosis is just a mere difference we need to be embracing.


Category error to some degree, in retrospect, perhaps. But you have to understand the history of the field of Psychology to have a better appreciation for this I think. This type of categorisation is the result of the earlier practice of lumping any behaviour perceived as not 'of the norm' as aberrant and therefore psychopathological. It is only with time and the furthering of studies in the fields of mental health/psychology/psychopathology in general that more precise classifications have been possible within the greater framework of 'mental health/illness'.

A look-see at the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM)-IV (http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_alpha.html) reveals quite a bit about the parameters of the notion of 'mental illness'. What is even more interesting is the examination of the evolution of different diagnostic categories and the like. It is telling about us as humans and the societies that we have and continue to create.

As for the concept of mental illness being much thinly stretched as to invite multikultis to insist that such differences need only be embraced...well I'm afraid we've been in that mode for quite a long while now. An example: when the likes of a Karla Homolka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka) can get a university degree from one of the most prestigious universities in my country and get 'some financial assistance' to boot, I seriously start wondering who the mentally ill really are.

Cheers Lodd and All!...Aemma

[Elveon]

Yes, of course! They declassify transsexuality as a mental Illness, and in the same time they prepare their future dirty bills that will allow them to classify racists or racism as a mental Illness!:mad: Very convenient, no? Et vive la France bis!:cry Death to ZOG:mad:

[Gooding]

Doubtlessly, the position of homophobia itself will be classed as a mental illness. I hope that others see this as a blatant conspiracy between the P.C. politicians and the Africans to further their effort to weaken the native French gene pool and to strengthen the North/West African presence on French soil. I don't think that the Muslims will advocate homosexuality among their followers.It's a classic method of invasion:weaken the natives, make room for more foreigners of a certain stock to infiltrate the targeted land, breed with native women to establish a blood tie to the land, convert as many males as possible to the foreign idealogy and/or religion so they will breed with foreign women, discourage native/native marriage and try to dispense with as many aspects of native culture and mores as possible,so that the new idealogy can take root.Ergo, a sovereign nation is reduced to the status of a colony.:mad::(

[Elveon]

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[Vulpix]

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[Eldritch]

Am I the only one here who doesn't think of trannies as a problem? As long as they don't expect the taxpayer to pay for their treatment, they can do whatever the hell they like as far as I'm concerned.



Other sexual behaviours such as transsexualism, exhibitionism, voyurism and paedophilia will remain as diagnosis. and will not be removed at a later date.
Source (http://www.dagen.se/dagen/article.aspx?id=160141)

Those are four phenomena that havwe nothing to do with each other. Lumping voyers and exhibitionists (provided, of course, that they get their thrills responsibly instead of being a-holes about it) in the same category with pedophiles is a cruel and sex-negative thing to do.

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[Treffie]

Those are four phenomena that havwe nothing to do with each other. Lumping voyers and exhibitionists (provided, of course, that they get their thrills responsibly instead of being a-holes about it) in the same category with pedophiles is a cruel and sex-negative thing to do.

Yup, I agree, making sweeping statements about certain groups makes one look slightly silly. :(

[Aemma]

Am I the only one here who doesn't think of trannies as a problem? As long as they don't expect the taxpayer to pay for their treatment, they can do whatever the hell they like as far as I'm concerned.



Those are four phenomena that havwe nothing to do with each other. Lumping voyers and exhibitionists (provided, of course, that they get their thrills responsibly instead of being a-holes about it) in the same category with pedophiles is a cruel and sex-negative thing to do.


Nope, I really don't care either. I don't care what anybody does in the privacy of their own homes or their own hang-outs in the community, as long as it's all between consenting adults and does not lead to someone's death (intentional or not)--anything more, I draw the line.

I'd have much stronger and more negative language to describe pedophilia though Ex ;) but generally I accept your view with respect to this issue as well.

[Eldritch]

I'd have much stronger and more negative language to describe pedophilia though Ex ;).

Well, that's the whole point anyway, isn't it? Conselsual activies engaged in by two or more adults capable of informed consent don't harm anyone. Children (who are not capable of giving informed consent) being pressured or outright forced into sex acts leaves them traumatised for life, and distressingly often drives them into repeating the outrages they were to subjected on other children after they've grown up.

[Psychonaut]

Am I the only one here who doesn't think of trannies as a problem? As long as they don't expect the taxpayer to pay for their treatment, they can do whatever the hell they like as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think they're fit for government service. They're not allowed in the Armed forces with good reason. I can only imagine the fit I'd have if my child's teacher was a tranny. :thumb down

[Útrám]

Modern psychiatry just becomes more and more hypocritical for obvious PC reasons, glimpse at the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or any other manual and you can find tons of disorders where the subjects believe they are something which they clearly aren't.

What's next? declassification of Cotard delusion? do we then have zombies?

[Eldritch]

I don't think they're fit for government service. They're not allowed in the Armed forces with good reason. I can only imagine the fit I'd have if my child's teacher was a tranny. :thumb down

I think it's quite understandable that you'd balk if it were your kids who were involved in the equation. Certainly having a transsexual instruct your kids at school goes beyong the "mind your own business and I'll mind mine" territory I referred to.

I'm not sure how I myself would feel about a situation like this, but then again I don't have children, so it's hypothetical. But at the very least I'd insist on meeting this person, having a long, hard look at his/her credidentials and on them answering my questions.