Ukraine IDs Thousands Of Stalin Victims Buried Near Kyiv

[Beorn]

Ukraine IDs Thousands Of Stalin Victims Buried Near Kyiv


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KYIV -- Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) officials have announced that they have determined the identities of 14,191 people killed by order of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin and buried in the Bykivnya forest outside of Kyiv.
Professor Vasyl Danylenko, of the SBU archives, told RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service that there are 18 places in Ukraine that were used to execute thousands of people during the Stalin era.

He said Bykivnya was heavily guarded in Soviet times and, though many executions were carried out in Kyiv, the dead were buried in mass graves at Bykivnya during the night.

Before World War II, most executions were carried out directly in the forest with the victims lined up before ready-dug graves.
Danylenko said of the other 18 mass burial sites in Ukraine that have been identified, some are being used as parks, some have department stores built on them, or are serving as city cemeteries.

Ukraine will officially commemorate victims of political repression on May 17 when thousands of people will visit Bykivnya to pay their respects.
Many people have erected signs on trees with the names of relatives they believe are buried there.

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[Angantyr]

The mere fact that Kiev is spelled Kyiv is proof that it is more anti-Russian bullshit by blockheaded Ukrainians.

At what point will we stop bashing our European brethren and unit to fight the foe that is really facing us. I assure you that the Mohammedans in our midst are a far greater threat than the Russians in Russia.

[Beorn]

The Ukrainian people and her history come before the notion of European unity. 'Unity' that needs to first be bonded with acceptance by Russia's atrocities during the soviet era.

[Angantyr]

Oh, yes, of course...only Russia ever committed autrocities.

Moreover, you are so right that whites should fight whites over past issues before dealing with non-Europeans. Europeans must be contrite and accepting and apologize for everything they have before they can have unity. How politically correct of you. :thumb001:

Here is an idea that you will certainly like. England should accept responsibility for its autrocities in India. It should beg for forgiveness and show its contrition by opening its doors to the brown hoards and kowtowing to them at every opportunity. (It is called a paradigm shift for sarcastic purposes.)

I care more for my European cultural and racial preservation than some whining and complaining over a one sided view of some past incidnet.

[Beorn]

Oh, yes, of course...only Russia ever committed autrocities.

Was that what I said? No, I said that the Ukrainian people don't even know where some of their relatives are buried, and you call for some false sense of European unity?


Here is an idea that you will certainly like. England should accept responsibility for its autrocities in India. It should beg for forgiveness and show its contrition by opening its doors to the brown hoards and kowtowing to them at every opportunity. (It is called a paradigm shift for sarcastic purposes.)

Speaking of which, sarcasm doesn't suit you. Please stop. :)


I care more for my European cultural and racial preservation than some whining and complaining over a one sided view of some past incidnet.

You care for it so much that you happily deny one set of European people the dignity of uncovering its past to save the face of another set of European people?

[The Lawspeaker]

Oh, yes, of course...only Russia ever committed autrocities.
Here is one for you: Russia is the about the only European country that has never admitted that they committed crimes against humanity.



Moreover, you are so right that whites should fight whites over past issues before dealing with non-Europeans. Europeans must be contrite and accepting and apologize for everything they have before they can have unity. How politically correct of you. :thumb001:
No- it's not fighting. It's called demanding honesty from the other side. If you are to work together with your ancient foe as your new partner you would need to be sure that everything has been resolved and there will be no more ancient pains that might plague your cooperation.



Here is an idea that you will certainly like. England should accept responsibility for its autrocities in India. It should beg for forgiveness and show its contrition by opening its doors to the brown hoards and kowtowing to them at every opportunity. (It is called a paradigm shift for sarcastic purposes.)
"Sighs" The English have paid for their crimes, and so have we Dutch. And we paid most dearly- we paid the price 100 times over and we are still paying. No- what the Russians should do is at least admit that they are responsible and perhaps in Europe clear off the areas that they infested. For instance Karelia in what used to be Finland, East Prussia in what used to be Germany, parts of what used to be Poland, Transnistria and from the Baltic.



I care more for my European cultural and racial preservation than some whining and complaining over a one sided view of some past incidnet.
Nice- so rather then caring for the preservation of a European people you'd prefer to shove everything under the carpet to save the face of another European people that happens to be their murderers. Do you feel the same way about the conquest of French Canada by the British btw ?

[Osweo]

Before we go off on an unhelpful tangent, it should be borne in mind that those MOST responsible for what went on in the Bad Old Days are now dead, and their closest kin are now mostly located in Washington DC and Tel Aviv. These lads are now dictating the Ukraine's 'foreign' policy with its nearest and most intimate neighbour.

'Russia' isn't to blame exactly for what Communism did, even though many Russians were involved. Blame the Kaiser for financing the October Revolution. Blame the idiotic freemasons who made the Provisional Government's position so fragile. Blame nasty fellows like Trotsky/Bronshtein for individual policy decisions that set up the Terror system. But don't blame the Russians.

By the way, nobody living in Kiev ever called it Kyiv. The new state is dominated by a US backed clique from the far west of the country that is intent on wiping out the Russian cultural identity of their eastern and southern 'countrymen'.

Initiatives involving 'being honest about the past' should be viewed in the light of endless provocations to those Ukrainians who do not wish to spit in the face of their Russian kin. A HIGHLY one-sided version is promulgated there by the official organs.

And about Russia being the only country that hasn't chosen to wallow in guilt complexes and victim culture - good for her!

[Lenny]

Guys, the Putinist Russian state has an official policy of whitewashing Stalin and propping him up as the greatest Russian Hero in recent history, whose "alleged" crimes were either Western-Nazi fabrications or necessary acts to preserve Russian Greatness.

In that light, this Ukraine Mass-Killings business from decades ago is quite relevant.



The new state is dominated by a US backed clique from the far west of the country that is intent on wiping out the Russian cultural identity of their eastern and southern 'countrymen'.
Many Russian nationalists favor total annexation of Ukraine, all parts of it. It's only natural for the Ukrainians to take a hard-line in that case.

[Osweo]

Guys, the Putinist Russian state has an official policy of whitewashing Stalin and propping him up as the greatest Russian Hero in recent history, whose "alleged" crimes were either Western-Nazi fabrications or necessary acts to preserve Russian Greatness.
Stalin, and his historical importance to Russia, are FAR more complex matters than you seem to comprehend.
Stalin's rule saw the reabilitation of the very word 'Russian' in public life, which had become almost a dirty word in the cosmopolitan internationalist 20s. Sure, he did it for his own ends, mostly, but this was an important service to the prospects of a Russian national future. He scrapped the 'Internationale' and introduced the familiar anthem which goes "Unbreakable union of free republics, forged for ever by Great Rus!" Absolutely unthinkable in a TRotskyite SSSR!

Many Russian nationalists favor total annexation of Ukraine, all parts of it. It's only natural for the Ukrainians to take a hard-line in that case.
Who the hell are these 'nationalists'? Teenage Internet Warriors, perhaps?!? Nobody in a powerful position in Russia wants this. I've heard such things bandied about with regard to Alaska too. People, this is not real politics! :rolleyes: Annexation of the Left Bank is another matter, however.

Ukrainians are not the monolithic bloc you infer. Most of the east and south would heartily welcome such an Anschluss. Even the Rusyns in the far southwest are pro-Russian for the most part. Your 'Ukrainians' are just malcontents from Galich and thereabouts. Their 'national identity' (based nigh on solely around hatred of Moskals) was spoonfed them by Polish overlords and Austrian Kaisers. What's done is done, however, and I and all sensible Russians are happy to see them go their own way. Dragging the entirety of the Ukraine with them against its will is another matter.