The war and occupation in Azerbaijan

[Onur]

Here is another double standard when it comes to condemning war criminals;

I bet most of you never heard what happened in Azerbaijan in 1991-1992 because this never got public attention and everything carefully concealed from the international media and this hypocrisy still continues after 20 years.


After ~80 year long communist USSR oppression, Azeri Turks declared the creation of their own state in 1990 but shortly after that, Armenians with the backup from Russian army, invaded 20% of Azeri territory. Russians supported Armenians because anti-Russian feelings was so high among Azeri Turks and there was even serious talks about asking to unite with Turkey since they didn't even know what to do next because all they knew for the last century was Russian language, vodka and communist dictators from "mother Russia"!!!

In the end of 2 year long conflict, Armenians killed about 20.000 Azeri civilians and they also expelled over a million Azeri from their ancestral homelands. But the most extreme case realized in a city called Hocali, where Armenian army committed massacre of ~700 civilians, women and children in just few hours overnight.


From Europe, only the brave Hungarian Jobbik party tried to convince Hungarian parliament, NATO and EU to recognize this incident as a genocide and condemn it;

Jobbik initiates in Hungarian Parliament the condemnation of the Armenian genocide in Nagorno Karabah and neighbouring Azerbaijani occupied territories

As a consequence of the Armenian genocide committed against Azerbaijani civilians in the 1992-93 armed conflict approximately 1 million refugees – internally displaced persons (IDP) – are waiting for the international recognition of their plight.

Márton Gyöngyösi, vice-chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Hungarian National Assembly – together with Gábor Vona, Jobbik’s parliamentary group leader and Tamás Hegedűs, deputy-leader of the fraction – submitted today to the Hungarian National Assembly a draft resolution calling upon the parliament to condemn the Armenian aggression and genocide committed in Nagorno-Karabah and other occupied Azerbaijani territories. In a press conference held today with the participation of the national and international media, as well as representatives of the diplomatic corps, Márton Gyöngyösi pointed out: following the fall of the Soviet Union Armenia stepped up with territorial claims against Azerbaijan, and the armed conflict was triggered by the military occupation of Nagorno Karabah and other seven adjoining Azerbaijani territories.

As a consequence of the military attack of the Soviet-Armenian forces Azerbaijan lost 20 per cent of its territories, 20.000 civilians were killed, 100.000 injured and close to 1 million people were driven from their homes and homeland. The Armenian aggression reached its apex with the occupation of Khojali on 25-26 February, 1992, when the Armenian forces committed ethnic cleansing, with a horrifying record: in a single day 613 civilians were killed, amongst them 106 women and 83 children. Márton Gyöngyösi called the attention to the fact that although the Security Council of the United Nations, the European Parliament, the OSCE, the Council of Europe and NATO has condemned the genocide committed by the Armenians in numerous resolutions and called upon a swift settlement of the status of the Azerbaijani refugees – a humanitarian problem unresolved till today.

The genocide in Khojali was amongst the largest ethnic atrocities of the nineties, which was unjustly forgotten and bypassed by the international community – reminded Márton Gyöngyösi. The Jobbik MP stated: there are numerous national tragedies in world history, but it is unacceptable that while we frequently remember and commemorate certain tragedies, we forget others. Jobbik has always been an outspoken critic of double standards within the European Union, which – on other occasions – seems particularly sensitive in the question of human rights and human dignity. Acknowledging our historical responsibility and in line with our international commitments in the area of universal human rights we call upon the Hungarian National Assembly to initiate on every international forum the condemnation of the Armenian aggression; the urgent need for the settlement of the status of Nagorno Karabah and other occupied territories; the restoration of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Azerbaijan, as well as the settlement of the status of 1 million refugees driven out by the Armenian aggressors from Azerbaijani occupied territories – said Márton Gyöngyösi.

The press conference was concluded with the screening of the following dramatic documentary film giving an informative overview of the conflict and its background:

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Armenian occupation still continues in Nagorno-Karabakh region for more than 20 years and literally everyone remains silent about this. No one even thinks about sending Armenians to the international court of war crimes for the ones who were responsible for the massacres in Azeri lands, especially for the horrible events in the city of Hocali. Most of people in Turkey, including myself are in deep regret because we allowed them to do this and most of people here are thinking that we should have bombed the Armenian army and end this conflict in a day. This will probably happen in 5 years or so cuz Armenians refuses to leave the 20% of Azeri territory which they have been occupied since 1991.


This video shows one survivor of the Hocali massacre. He shows the giant cross sign on his chest done by Armenians by stigmatizing him with heated giant cross, just like branding a cow.

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Mail Mammadalioglu Mammadov -- was kept in Armenian captivity on 21.10.1992-07.05.1993

This is the translation of his speech; One day, when I was kept in Hadrut district as prisoners of war, Armenian soldiers formed us up to row. Then Armenian soldiers named Artur and Vadig and one black skin soldier threw me down and branded on my breast by the heated cross. Then the black soldier tortured me pressing by foot on the branded breast. One day when I was kept in Hadrut, Armenian brought one wounded and brutally beaten Azerbaijani captive. He was blinded. His arms were tied. After some time, a man brought by Armenian soldiers and beat this man by sticks. Then they dragged him out in corridor and cut his head off. Then his head was thrown to the cell back.



You can see where is this occupied region from this video;
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[Petros Houhoulis]

Here is another double standard when it comes to condemning war criminals;

I bet most of you never heard what happened in Azerbaijan in 1991-1992 because this never got public attention and everything carefully concealed from the international media and this hypocrisy still continues after 20 years.


After ~80 year long communist USSR oppression, Azeri Turks declared the creation of their own state in 1990 but shortly after that, Armenians with the backup from Russian army, invaded 20% of Azeri territory. Russians supported Armenians because anti-Russian feelings was so high among Azeri Turks and there was even serious talks about asking to unite with Turkey since they didn't even know what to do next because all they knew for the last century was Russian language, vodka and communist dictators from "mother Russia"!!!

In the end of 2 year long conflict, Armenians killed about 20.000 Azeri civilians and they also expelled over a million Azeri from their ancestral homelands. But the most extreme case realized in a city called Hocali, where Armenian army committed massacre of ~700 civilians, women and children in just few hours overnight.


From Europe, only the brave Hungarian Jobbik party tried to convince Hungarian parliament, NATO and EU to recognize this incident as a genocide and condemn it;




Armenian occupation still continues in Nagorno-Karabakh region for more than 20 years and literally everyone remains silent about this. No one even thinks about sending Armenians to the international court of war crimes for the ones who were responsible for the massacres in Azeri lands, especially for the horrible events in the city of Hocali. Most of people in Turkey, including myself are in deep regret because we allowed them to do this and most of people here are thinking that we should have bombed the Armenian army and end this conflict in a day. This will probably happen in 5 years or so cuz Armenians refuses to leave the 20% of Azeri territory which they have been occupied since 1991.


This video shows one survivor of the Hocali massacre. He shows the giant cross sign on his chest done by Armenians by stigmatizing him with heated giant cross, just like branding a cow.

n0AMGujso64
Mail Mammadalioglu Mammadov -- was kept in Armenian captivity on 21.10.1992-07.05.1993

This is the translation of his speech; One day, when I was kept in Hadrut district as prisoners of war, Armenian soldiers formed us up to row. Then Armenian soldiers named Artur and Vadig and one black skin soldier threw me down and branded on my breast by the heated cross. Then the black soldier tortured me pressing by foot on the branded breast. One day when I was kept in Hadrut, Armenian brought one wounded and brutally beaten Azerbaijani captive. He was blinded. His arms were tied. After some time, a man brought by Armenian soldiers and beat this man by sticks. Then they dragged him out in corridor and cut his head off. Then his head was thrown to the cell back.



You can see where is this occupied region from this video;
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Details... Details!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War


As Azerbaijan declared its independence from the Soviet Union and removed the powers held by the enclave's government, the Armenian majority voted to secede from Azerbaijan and in the process proclaimed the unrecognized Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh.

You see, while inside the Soviet Union, Nagorno Karabakh was autonomous (still inside the S.R. of Azerbaijan) the Azeris abruptly decided to annul this autonomy after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

This was a big mistake of theirs. Nagorno-Karabakh was >90% Armenian. They were the first ones to destroy the status quo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Autonomous_Oblast


The Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (Russian: Нагорно-Карабахская автономная область, НКАО; Azerbaijani: Дағлыг Гарабағ Мухтар Вилајәти, ДГМВ; Armenian: Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Ինքնավար Մարզ, ԼՂԻՄ) was an autonomous oblast within the borders of the Azerbaijan SSR, mostly inhabited by ethnic Armenians and created on July 7, 1923. According to Karl R. DeRouen it was created as an enclave so that a narrow strip of land would separate it from Armenia proper.[2] According to Audrey L. Altstadt the oblast's borders were drawn to include Armenian villages and to exclude as much as possible Azerbaijani villages. However, the territory being nearly contiguous with Armenia proper and separated by a very narrow strip of artificially created Azerbaijani territory, it is de facto a natural extension of Armenia. The resulting district ensured an Armenian majority.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War#Soviet_division


The Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO) was created in 1923,[6] leaving it with a population that was 94% Armenian.[19][20]

Furthermore, there are no double-standards from the international community on this issue. Nagorno-Karabakh is not a recognized state, nor is it recognized as being a part of Armenia by the international community at large. It is in limbo, exactly like other entities like North Cyprus, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia or Kossovo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic#International_status


The sovereign status of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not recognized by any state, including Armenia, besides Transnistria, which is itself a largely unrecognized state.

Compare with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus#International_status_and_foreign_r elations


The international community, with the exception of Turkey,[4] does not recognise Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, but recognises the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.

So, if there is someone between us who has double standards, this is... Turkey.

So instead of crying about Nagorno-Karabakh, why don't you enlighten us upon the massacres that the Turkish army committed upon the Greek-Cypriots instead, and - if you ever find the courage - speak about the fate of some 1.500.000 Armenians in the last Ottoman empire...

That is, of course, if you do not consider them to be "rats and cockroaches" unworthy of our attention...

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=123841&postcount=18


Vicsinad, read the Ny-Times article about Syrian kurdish women imports. If you still dont get the point then our conversation is over. Believe whatever you like, i don't care.

Yes, i called them as rats and cockroaches because in our age, we don't get 4 wives and have 40+ children, only rats does that.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=123842&postcount=19


Sure. I've read it, along with many articles on the Kurds. And you still have not demonstrated:

A) that the majority of Kurds practice polygamy;
and
B) that the ordinary Kurdish man has 4 wives.

You stated it, not me. I'm just looking for proof of your statements.

Great -- cockroaches and rats. Is this how logical, unbiased, objective and civilized people have discussions and share ideas?

Onur, I don't have to call you a cockroach or a rat. Calling you a Turk is an insult that most people here recognize all too well.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/rwanda/segc2.html


"In Rwanda they referred to Tutsis as cockroaches," explains Omaar. "They were not human beings. This is very important to understand, [there are] very close parallels to what happened in Hitler's Germany. [They said,] 'Don't worry, you're not killing humans like you. You are killing some vermin that belongs under your shoe. You're killing cockroaches.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide


The Rwandan Genocide was the 1994 mass murder of an estimated 800,000 people in the small East African nation of Rwanda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide#Media_propaganda


The RTLM had used terms such as inyenzi (cockroach in Kinyarwandan) and Tutsi interchangeably with others referring to the RPF combatants.

Interesting note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide#Catalyst_and_initial_events


Jared Diamond theorized that population pressure was the main cause of the genocide. He points out that most of the Twa pygmies were wiped out despite being no threat to the Hutus. The Kanama region in the north west lost 5% of its population despite having virtually no Tutsis. A quarter of Rwandans have great grandparents from both tribes.[8] Rwanda's population density in 1990 was 760 people per square mile, one of the highest in the world. The population grew at over 3% a year.[37] By 1985 all the land except the national parks had been cultivated.

So, what was it Onur? ~800,000 dead men or 800,000 dead cockroaches? Because it looks like not only rats and cockroaches can have 4 wives and 40+ children. Hutus and Tutsis are equally capable of such a progeny, not to mention the Turks resident in Germany...

How the fuck could a Turk be a humanitarian is anybodys' guess... If anything, we can declare right here right now that they have developed their humanism as much as the rats and the cockroaches did...

[Yaroslav]

I condemn Armenia, Russia, and other countries for not recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh while Turkey openly recognizes North Cyprus recently even talked about annexing it.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I condemn Armenia, Russia, and other countries for not recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh while Turkey openly recognizes North Cyprus recently even talked about annexing it.

Russia recognizes South Ossetia and Abkhazia. That happened only after Kossovo...

[Mosov]

The bias in the the opening post is just biblical.

[Sarmatian]

The bias in the the opening post is just biblical.

Agreed.

Shall we remind the OP about massacres committed by Azeris on Armenians in Sumgait in 1988?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

[Mosov]

I guess OP forgets that Heydar Aliyev had very warm relations with Russia and was actually an ex-KGB chief, with getting Russian help. Not to mention, Azerbaijan had much more Soviet military structures, like runways and tanks, as during the Cold War Armenia was designated as a "battle region". In addition to Islamic extremists from Chechnya and Afghanistan that were hired to fight the "infidel Armenians".

Like notorious terrorist Shamil Basayev, his unit of Chechen terrorists were soundly defeated by Armenians.

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/shamil-basayev-e1269841751428.jpg?w=800

[Armenian Bishop]

The bias in the the opening post is just biblical.


Agreed. Shall we remind the OP about massacres committed by Azeris on Armenians in Sumgait in 1988?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom


The opening post is not only biased, but also uses Azeri and Turkish Lies and Fabrications to promote their fake versions of historical events. It's a deliberate attempt to blame Armenians -- victims of centuries of genocidal acts perpetrated by Turks, Azeris, and Kurds -- for acts of brutality, which only exist in the cynical imagination of the distributors of Turkish and Azeri propaganda fabrications, and media distributions of lies.

In fact, Turkish and Azeri Lobbyists are among those who are at the forefront of promoting the falsifications of historical realities of genocidal acts perpetrated against Armenians, as accepted by most serious scholars who take an interest in those events, excluding some bright scholars who are on the payroll of Turkish and Azeri Lobby Groups.

One example of this kind of blatant lie is the tired, fake and debunked Azeri and Turkish Version of the massacre of civilians at Khojalu (February 1992), which is called Hocali in the Opening Post. In fact, there are reliable sources which indicate that the Azeri Military perpetrated the massacre of as many as 700 Azeri Turkish Civilians from Khojalu, in 1992, and the Armenian Military was blameless for the incident.

Evidence reveals that while it could have been a case of Friendly Fire, in which Azeri Turkish refugees from Khojalu were mistaken for Armenian Military Units, it's just as likely that it was a deliberate and premeditated massacre, conducted by the Azeri Military at Aghdam. Another Words, it was a deliberate and premeditated slaughter of their own Azeri Civilians, by the Azeri Military, for political and propaganda reasons.

Incredibly, it's realistically possible that the massacre of these hundreds of Azeri Turkish refugees, from Khojalu, was more than friendly fire, it could have been a premeditated action taken by political factions in Azerbaijan, to present Armenians as the murderers of harmless men, women and children.

There was a worldwide media blitz, about Khojalu, which reached the far corners of the world. I'm old enough to remember the news articles of times current to the Karabakh Wars (1988-1994), and the Khojalu Massacre (1992). Shortly after the Khojalu Massacre, Time and Newsweek Magazines both published heavily illustrated chapters in their magazines, which spoon fed their consumers with the Azeri and Turkish Versions of the tragic event.

The bodies of the hundreds of Azeris killed in the Khojalu Massacre were found by journalists and photographers, in the area near Aghdam, beyond the reach of Armenian Military Units, within the Azeri Military's Zone of Control. Witnesses among journalists, photographers and Azeris present at the scene support and endorse the Armenian Version of the Khojalu Massacre.

This is very revealing to us, if we take a careful look at the psychology of the Turkish and Azeri Lobbies, as well as their bloggers, who have shamelessly distorted and fabricated the facts, to suit their interests for waging a propaganda war against Armenians. The accusations hurled against Armenians, in regards to the Khojalu Massacre, are completely fake, and deliberately misleading, especially because it was the Azeri Military Units, in Aghdam, which slaughtered their own Azeri Turkish Refugees from Khojalu.

With so much complaining among Turks and Other Anti-Armenian Posters here, about how Armenians have been whining, it's enlightening here, to see how easily that Turks and Azeri Turks can start whining very loudly about the isolated incident of the Khojalu Massacre; however, this massacre was in fact a tragic slaughter of Azeri Turkish Civilians, by their own Azeri Military, for whatever reason.

[Armenian Bishop]

This news article, from the Budapest Case, provides an in depth scholarly investigation of the Khojalu (Hocali) Massacre. It makes a solid case, which debunks the Turkish and Azeri versions of the Khojalu Massacre -- that seeks to blame the Armenian Military for the slaughter of Azeri Turkish Civilians, by their own Azeri Military. In fact, the bodies of hundreds of Azeri Turks, from Khojalu, were discovered by journalists and photographers in an area near Aghdam, within the area patrolled by the Azeri Military, and beyond the reach of Armenian Military Units.


http://budapest.sumgait.info/khojaly/summary.htm

THE KHOJALU CASE: A SPECIAL DOSSIER

by Hayk Demoyan, Levon Melik-Shakhnazaryan
translated by Ruzanna Amiraghyan

11. SUMMARY
Summarizing the facts brought in the present research and analyzing the way of interpretation of this crime by the Azerbaijani state propaganda as “Genocide of Azerbaijanis in Khojalu”, we come to the following conclusions:

1. The comparison of the data from various sources, including those from Azerbaijan, clearly reveal that the Self-defense Forces of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic did not plan and, moreover, did not undertake any actions of mass killing of civilians of Khojalu settlement.

2. As a result of the Armenian attack on the Azerbaijani military positions in Khojalu approximately 700 refugees, including about 300 Meskhetian Turks, who were unable to leave the settlement or did not manage to do so, were transported to the capital of NKR Stepanakert by the Armenian side, where, despite of the food shortage among Armenians, all the Azerbaijani refugees were supplied with accommodation and two-times meals daily.

Interestingly, the refugees from Khojalu had asked the permission from Armenians to prepare food themselves, according to the Islamic laws. In response to this request they were supplied with a herd of sheep taken from Khojalu. In a couple of days the refugees, according to their will, were handed to the Azerbaijani side without any conditions. Only some of them were taken as hostages to exchange with Armenian POWs.

Additional confirmation of this could serve the documentary film shot by Svetlana Kulchitskaya, who recorded the above-mentioned fact. Only the captives from the Azerbaijani armed formations were exchanged for Armenian hostages.

3. As was already mentioned, several dozens Azerbaijani soldiers were killed during the Armenian assault to suppress artillery and rocket positions of Azerbaijani armed groups as well as nearby Nakhijevanik. The bodies of Azerbaijani soldiers found in the territories under the control of the Karabakh Defense Forces Khojalu were handed to the Azerbaijani side in Aghdam.

4. The bodies of 200-300 Khojalu inhabitants were found by journalists close to the Azerbaijani city Aghdam, in the territories controlled by the Azerbaijani armed formations. This fact was proved also by numerous Azerbaijani witnesses, including video shootings taken by the Azerbaijani cameraman Chengiz Mustafaev (Fuad-ogly) later presented as a main argument of «Armenian brutalities».

5. The Azerbaijani official propaganda up to the present continue to manipulate with falsified number of casualties ranging from 200 up to abstract thousands. There is no precise data on the number of wounded and disappeared.

6. Based on above mentioned fact it is possible to state that the main causes of massacre of Khojalu civilians underlies in the internal political struggle for power between various political groupings of Azerbaijan, in particular, in the aspiration of opposition on behalf of Popular Front of Azerbaijan to discredit the then President of Azerbaijan Ayaz Mutalibov, and by this way to achieve his resignation. The inhabitants of Khojalu simply became the hostages of dirty political games in Baku.

It would be naïve to think, that Armenians would agree with the role of a victim and would not undertake any measures for self-defense. It was perfectly understood also in certain circles in Azerbaijan. They understood and prepared. But not to cease bombardments, and not even to organize defense of Khojalu. They simply were preparing to present Armenians as the murderers of the peaceful people to the world community.

7. Lastly, the later developments showed that the Khojalu tragedy (or correctly to say Aghdam tragedy –H. D. L. M. –Sh.) was well planed by Popular Front of Azerbaijan and by means of this inhuman action it realized its main goal. The fact remains. After mass killing and mutilating of bodies of refugees on a wave of antigovernment mass hysteria in Azerbaijan, the Popular Front of Azerbaijan overthrew Mutalibov after ten days and soon came to power. Does the aim justify the means?!

The present government in Azerbaijan has taken on arms the same accusations against Armenians, which in a time were speculated by the Popular Front.

[Armenian Bishop]

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[Armenian Bishop]

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[Ice]

Kemal pasa azerbaycan'i moskoflara satmayaydi, ermeniler karabag'a adim atablirmiydi ?

[RobertAslan]

I would just like to share this with you. Azeri have nothing to claim in Caucasus region.
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[Bobby Martnen]

Muslims butchered millions of innocent Armenians and stole 90% of their homeland.

Armenians finally achieve independence, and try to liberate the one part of their homeland outside of their political borders that still has an Armenian majority.

The Islamic Azeri state tries to stop it.

And somehow the Armenians are to blame?

Turkish logic is an oxymoron.

[Thanas Django]

Turkish logic is an oxymoron.

I would describe Turkish behaviour as bratty entitlement.

[Thanas Django]

Turkish logic is an oxymoron.

I would describe Turkish behaviour as bratty entitlement.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLShq9yfvx4

During the Siege of Stepanakert (September, 1991 - May,1992), Azerbaijan's grad missiles, posted in Khojaly, relentlessly bombarded the Armenian Civilian Population in Stepanakert. An Armenian Offensive defeated and routed the Azeri-Turks in Kholaly, in doing so they raised the siege, and eliminated the grad missile threat. Azerbaijan's military engineered the circumstances that led to the Khojaly Massacre, and used it slanderously against the Armenian People, as well as to depose their own regime.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWX4o7yPvqE

Fraudulent Fabricated and Photoshopped Evidence of the Khojaly Massacre has been debunked in detail. But, Azerbaijan's diplomatic missions continue to peddle their Khojaly snake oil poison, worldwide, around the world. The Khojaly Massacre is one of the biggest hoaxes during recent decades, aggressively promoted by Azerbaijan's regime.