MetaEthnicity/Ethnicity/Subrace/Ancestry

[Kazimiera]

We all have this little column to fill in. And I think for some of us who are new this can be a little confusing.

Could someone please explain, with examples what the following are:

- Meta-ethnicity
- Ethnicity
- Subrace
- Ancestry

I, and probably other newbies too, are wondering how to fill it in correctly. I think I've made about 20 adjustments to mine already!

[Hevneren]

We all have this little column to fill in. And I think for some of us who are new this can be a little confusing.

Could someone please explain, with examples what the following are:

- Meta-ethnicity
- Ethnicity
- Subrace
- Ancestry

I, and probably other newbies too, are wondering how to fill it in correctly. I think I've made about 20 adjustments to mine already!

Meta-ethnicity = Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, Romance, Hellenic etc.

Ethnicity = What you identify as in terms of culture/nationality.

Subrace = Phenotypes like Faelid, Nordid, Pontid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby etc.

Ancestry = Where your ancestors come from. If you have a grandparent who was Irish, you can cite that, and if your father was German you can cite that too etc.

If you're unsure about any of the categories, just leave it blank. :)

[Comte Arnau]

Meta-ethnicity = Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, Romance, Hellenic etc.

Ethnicity = What you identify as in terms of culture/nationality.

Subrace = Phenotypes like Faelid, Nordid, Pontid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby etc.

Ancestry = Where your ancestors come from. If you have a grandparent who was Irish, you can cite that, and if your father was German you can cite that too etc.

If you're unsure about any of the categories, just leave it blank. :)


The ethnicity part is quite clear for a European. But apparently not so much elsewhere. :D

[Sikeliot]

Meta-ethnicity is the overarching group your ethnicity falls under. I.e. Romance, Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Arabic, etc.

Ethnicity is your specific ethnicity, but the one you identify as most. i.e. Lebanese, Italian, French, German etc.

Sub-race is your "classification", i.e. Atlantid, Mediterranid, etc.

Heritage is all of the places your ancestors come from, whether you identify with them more generally or not.


So for me I am;

Romance-Slavic-West African
Portuguese
Atlanto-Med
Portuguese, Eastern European, Cape Verdean

[Gaztelu]

The concept of a "romance" meta-ethnicity is quite pointless in my opinion, and simply proves that meta-ethnicity has no valuable meaning outside of linguistics.

[Comte Arnau]

The concept of a "romance" meta-ethnicity is quite pointless in my opinion, and simply proves that meta-ethnicity has no valuable meaning outside of linguistics.

I don't agree. Look at the thread on the common traits of South-Western Europeans. ;)

[Sikeliot]

I don't agree. Look at the thread on the common traits of South-Western Europeans. ;)


I agree with Gaztelu in that as someone who identifies as Portuguese, I can agree there is an "Iberian" meta-ethnicity but I don't extend it to include the French and the Italians.

[Comte Arnau]

I agree with Gaztelu in that as someone who identifies as Portuguese, I can agree there is an "Iberian" meta-ethnicity but I don't extend it to include the French and the Italians.

And would you put the Occitans in the "French" category or in the "Iberian"?

[Sikeliot]

And would you put the Occitans in the "French" category or in the "Iberian"?

Iberian.

I mean I do not feel like I belong grouped with a Parisian or a Calabrese. I could, however, feel close to someone from Marseille or Turin, to some extent.

[Comte Arnau]

Iberian.

I mean I do not feel like I belong grouped with a Parisian or a Calabrese. I could, however, feel close to someone from Marseille or Turin, to some extent.

Well, that does not invalid the group then. It is logical than someone from an extreme end (Portugal) feels less connected to people from the other two extremes (Northern French and Calabria). They might be transitional in a way, but I consider them still part of the SW. Obviously there could be intergroups between the Metaethnicity and the Ethnicity too.

Take into account that I'm dividing Europe into 4 corners. :)

[riverman]

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[Gaztelu]

And would you put the Occitans in the "French" category or in the "Iberian"?

"Occitan" is quite a broad term. I would put Gascons and Languedocians under the Pyrenean group, although I am not too sure about Provençal people. Auvergnese and other Northern Occitans would definitely be Gallic though.

[Damião de Góis]

Ancestry and ethnicity are the same thing. In my case:

Meta-ethnicity - Romance
Ethnicity - Portuguese
Subrace - Atlanto-Med (?)
Ancestry - Portuguese

[Mortimer]

Meta-Ethnicity: Caucasoid
Ethnicity: Bihari Brahmin
Ancestry: i guess my birthplace and my parents and their parents etc. birthplace, so i put voivodina serbia
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i put it accordingly to my genetic results i received

[Comte Arnau]

"Occitan" is quite a broad term. I would put Gascons and Languedocians under the Pyrenean group, although I am not too sure about Provençal people. Auvergnese and other Northern Occitans would definitely be Gallic though.

;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Sumien_supradialectal.jpg


Ancestry and ethnicity are the same thing. In my case:

Meta-ethnicity - Romance
Ethnicity - Portuguese
Subrace - Atlanto-Med (?)
Ancestry - Portuguese

You are a European. Many colonials have parents from different countries and yet they feel in practice more connected to an Anglic ethnic group.

[Damião de Góis]

;)
You are a European. Many colonials have parents from different countries and yet they feel in practice more connected to an Anglic ethnic group.

But they do mean the same. What's the difference?

[Comte Arnau]

But they do mean the same. What's the difference?

Ethnicity has a cultural element implied. Ancestry is 100% biological.

You can have a Polish father and a Greek mother and not feel related at all with any of the two ethnicities, because you've grown up in a different country, with a different culture and speak a different language as your first language.

[Damião de Góis]

Ethnicity has a cultural element implied. Ancestry is 100% biological.

You can have a Polish father and a Greek mother and not feel related at all with any of the two ethnicities, because you've grown up in a different country, with a different culture and speak a different language as your first language.

Then it's the same thing unless we take exceptions into account, like your example above. ;)

[Comte Arnau]

Then it's the same thing unless we take exceptions into account, like your example above. ;)

Exceptions in Europe, not so much in the New World. That's what I was saying. ;)