Timber-framed houses and stone houses in Europe [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:06 PM

Hi there,

this thread is dedicated to timber-framed houses and stone houses, which together compose the majority of historic buildings in Europe. Post pictures and information here.

Alsace (Allemanic with maybe some French influence):

Eguisheim
http://www.colmar-hotels.fr/photos/hotel-saint-hubert-650/hotel-saint-hubert-0.jpg
http://www.alovelyworld.com/webfranc/gimage/fra683.jpg

Hunawihr
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x2351978/hunawihr_vosges_alsatian_wine_road_alsace_france_w e036401.jpg
http://photos.creafrance.org/pois/2192_hunawihr.jpg

Wissembourg
http://www.elstravel.de/rz/fra/els/bi/wis_g_2.jpg
http://wissembourg-en-arts.fr/resources/wissembourg.jpg

The Lawspeaker

04-10-2012, 10:10 PM

Already exists. :) Here is one (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21399). And here is another one (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17994).

In Belgium:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Gretry_-_Casa_natal.jpg

In Dordrecht (the Netherlands):

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Liampie/FOTOS/MISC/mooiegebouwen/cewlvakwerkmisschien.jpg

In Amersfoort:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Liampie/FOTOS/MISC/mooiegebouwen/cewlvakwerk.jpg

In Driebergen-Rijssenburg (a more modern villa):
http://www.nederland-in-beeld.nl/Utrecht/Driebergen-rijsenburg/i/Utrecht/Driebergen-rijsenburg/Arnhemsebovenweg/foto.jpg

Down south in Limburg Province:

http://www.schumulder.nl/elly/images/Vakwerkhuizen/Zuid%20Limburg%20vakwerkhuis%201.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/5361194.jpg

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/vrijstaande_woning_ingber_94660679044290895.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:21 PM

More...

Saint Hyppolite (Alsace)
http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/escapade/photo/les-plus-beaux-sites-de-la-route-des-vins-d-alsace/image/saint-hippolyte-508514.jpg

Stein (Baden)
http://img.webme.com/pic/b/badischewanderungen/stein_1_neu.jpg

Bretten (Baden)
http://img.webme.com/pic/b/badischewanderungen/bretten_neu_4.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:25 PM

Now we already posted some pics and it´s not exactly the same topic as in the other threads. I suggest going on here. :)

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:27 PM

@Tuan Belanda: I love the Limburg timber-framed houses.

Chronos

04-10-2012, 10:31 PM

It would be interesting if someone could post the process / methods / schematics of building such houses from a more analytical / architectural point of view.

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:32 PM

Burkheim (Baden):
http://www.stadt-land-regiokarte.de/var/rvf/storage/images/ausflugsziele/vogtsburg-im-kaiserstuhl/historische-mittelstadt-vogtsburg-burkheim/stadttor/11693-1-ger-DE/stadttor_front_large.jpg

Burrweiler (Palatia):
http://www.fahrrad-tour.de/Pfalz/PfalzR1/BBurrweiler_P4096299.jpg

Rhodt (Palatia):
http://familygross.net/images/rhodt.jpg

Ersingen (Baden):
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/38969130.jpg

The Lawspeaker

04-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Some of the very few remaining mediaeval wooden houses in the Netherlands (and Belgium):

Amsterdam:

http://www.arttown.nl/FilesContent/menu/menu000827/images_dsc_0261_6998.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zeed1.jpg

Amsterdam:

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/3227283/800/amsterdam/P1140196.jpg

Antwerp:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/32170394.jpg

A reconstruction of a mediaeval Dutch farmstead in Archeon:

http://www.sarshoutbouw.nl/images/archeon/middeleeuws_huis-5.jpg

The Lawspeaker

04-10-2012, 10:36 PM

It would be interesting if someone could post the process / methods / schematics of building such houses from a more analytical / architectural point of view.
I'll see what I can do for you. :thumb001:

@Tuan Belanda: I love the Limburg timber-framed houses.

Same here. It feels a bit like being "abroad".

I know it's not much of a hel, Chronos, but this is basically a small "map" of how a vakwerkhuis works (unfortunately the names are in Dutch):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/li/d/d2/Mechelevakwerknamewkped07.JPG

But what I do know is how they were built. First they build the frame:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Timber_frame.jpg

And then they fill it up with clay and sometimes dung.

Ouistreham

04-10-2012, 10:44 PM

South-Western Germanic timber-framed architecture (including Limburg, and Palatinate!) is remarkable for its sparingly use of natural resources, each beam being positioned in a calculated inclination in order to achieve a very strong structure with as little wood as possible (so ist die deutsche wissenschaftliche Gründlichkeit...).

Classical French timber-framed style is based on another philosophy, with poles and beams predominantly vertical:

Nowhere is it more distinctive than in Troyes (Champagne):

http://www.kamaxx.com/jdlf/img/photos/2970_1.jpg

http://a401.idata.over-blog.com/600x400/1/88/52/30/Champagne-Ardennes/Maison-champenoises-Troyes.jpg

http://www.gite-rural-a-riel-les-eaux.fr/files/users/3/6/7/9/5/9/3/troyes_2.jpg

http://pantheonphotos.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/troyes-turret-building-photo-by-john-ecker_edited-1.jpg?w=680&h=1024

http://pantheonphotos.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/troyes-coloured-buildings-photo-by-john-ecker.jpg?w=950&h=630

Troyes' medieval town centre gives an idea of what Paris looked like in the 15th century.

Alas very few buildings from that era have survived in the French capital. The only big ones are aware of are rue François Miron, close to the Town Hall:

http://de.structurae.de/files/photos/64/paris_4eme_arrondissement/paris_4eme_arr_11_13_rue_francois_miron_maisons_en _pans_de_bois.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:48 PM

This is going to be an awesome thread. :D

Ouistreham

04-10-2012, 10:56 PM

Southern Champagne is known for its many half-timbered churches. For some reason, these wonderful pieces of traditional craftmanship have been preserved there more than anywhere else:

http://www.carnets-voyage.com/routes-gourmandes-aube-eglise-mathaux-023.jpg

http://www.obiwi.fr/uploads/photos/userfiles/1708/1708-1237390316-pan-de-bois---465fx349f.jpg

http://www.communes.com/images/orig/champagne-ardenne/aube/lentilles_10330/Lentilles_6508_tres-belle-eglise-de-Lentilles-pans-de-bois-et-torchis.jpg

http://www.carte-france.info/photos/images/maxi/eglise-en-pan-de-bois.jpg

Pallantides

04-10-2012, 10:57 PM

Old wooden houses from East Norway
http://i.imgur.com/jU538.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nawCU.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Hallingdal/hallingdal36.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Telemark/telemark25.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Telemark/telemark24.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Hallingdal/hallingdal51.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Valdres/valdres25.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Valdres/valdres36.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Numedal/numedal51.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Numedal/numedal54.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Lom/lom4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Vaage/vaga15.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Vaage/vaga17.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Vaage/vaga26.jpg

Some also lived in stone houses:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Lom/lom19.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 10:58 PM

Ouistreham, Awesome, really great to say so many kinds of timber-framed houses. I love the roof on the last building.

I can imagine this kind of buildings to fit in the Champagne landscape pretty well.

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 11:01 PM

@Pallantides: The third-last house looks like from a western movie. ;)

Vasconcelos

04-10-2012, 11:04 PM

Going for some stone ones, since timber structures are rather uncommon in Portugal.

These are from the so-called Aldeias do Xisto in Beira Baixa, worth a visit if you ever come to Portugal.

http://www.rotadoperegrino.com/wp-content/uploads/Casal-Novo2_Lous%C3%A3.jpg

http://perlbal.hi-pi.com/blog-images/503941/gd/1210780419/Aldeias-de-Xisto.jpg

http://clubeviagens.com/cv/images/stories/blog2007_txt_talasnal01.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_djYeu-MX1YM/S3XQz5tiEiI/AAAAAAAAHlE/ajS7ynY-4CQ/s400/Aldeia_Foz-de-Egua.jpg

Pallantides

04-10-2012, 11:05 PM

@Pallantides: The third-last house looks like from a western movie. ;)

Norway was the wild west:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal5.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal32.jpg

:cool:

Ouistreham

04-10-2012, 11:07 PM

In Alsace there's at least this nice little timber-framed church, in Kühlendorf Betschdorf:

http://www.alsace.lib-expression.fr/image/photo/FR67BETS0003.jpg

http://www.betschdorf.com/fileManager/get/15/eglise_kuhlendorf.jpg

In Normandy, probably only one timber-tramed church has survived, but this one is very famous: St Catherine in Honfleur, the wooden gothic wonder:

http://gitedespetitspres.e-monsite.com/medias/album/images/artistes-honfleur-petit-port-quartier-sainte-.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/PShonfleur4342tonemapped.jpg/800px-PShonfleur4342tonemapped.jpg

http://addiction4mac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/eglise-honfleur-réchauffant-web.jpeg

http://www.france-horizons.com/Normandie/14-Calvados/Honfleur/photos-balade/nef-sainte-catherine.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 11:13 PM

These two timber-framed townhalls belong to the most beautiful ones in Baden, both are not far away from me. They look almost the same, but are different...

number 1:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5281968377_3732974b70.jpg
http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/16199599.jpg
number 2:
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7888613.jpg

number 2:

The Lawspeaker

04-10-2012, 11:21 PM

More Limburg:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/TerstratenNuthwkped07.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/li/a/aa/Terpoortewkped06.JPG

A combination of old and new in Belgium:
http://www.specialvillas.nl/cmslib/www.specialvillas.nl/specialvillas/accommodaties/huge/Vakwerkhuis_5.jpg

Haus Horstkotte in Höxter, Germany:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Haus_Horstkotte.JPG

The old town hall of Bamberg, Germany:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Bamberg_Altes_Rathaus_BW_2.JPG

Mud woven filling of a timber frame building:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Lehmausfachung.jpg?uselang=nl

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 11:23 PM

Majestic dome of Speyer (Palatinate):
http://www.hr-rose.de/fotos_deutschland/deutschland_speyer_IMG_7836.jpg
http://images.travelpod.com/users/realmccoys/1.1248906925.speyer-cathedral.jpg
and nice house in Speyer:
http://www.kto-to.de/bilder/speyer-p043.jpg

Maulbronn monastery (Württemberg), mix of stone and timber-frame...

http://www.egerclan.privat.t-online.de/web-dateien/bilder/maulbronn.jpg
http://www.kathedralen.net/maulbronn/no/maulbronn08.jpg
http://view.stern.de/de/picture/1063531/Kloster-Klosteranlage-Maulbronn-Kloster-Maulbronn-Braun-Architektur-510x510.jpg

Both the monastery in Maulbronn and the Dome in Speyer are recognized by the UNESCO as world cultural heritage.

Pallantides

04-10-2012, 11:27 PM

A few more old houses and buildings from Norway:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1927/gaard.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5328/lillehammer1913.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1230/stabbur.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1047/stavkirke4.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2063/brudgom.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2314/brud1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Fet/fet6.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Lorenskog/lorenskog11.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Ullensaker/ullensaker22.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Hurdal/hurdal10.jpg

Ouistreham

04-10-2012, 11:29 PM

Central France has a very specific style, with repetetive X- or diamond-shaped patterns.

Angers (Anjou):

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/65452153.jpg

http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/magazine/photo/angers/image/maisons-255666.jpg

Bourges (Berry), in the very middle of France:

http://www.luxe-campagne.fr/campagne-photos/source/image/maisons_anciennes_bourges.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4039/4478383369_bc9c7994c1_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4478382421_2dfef92537.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4479162562_2201f3aa1c.jpg

Thiers (Auvergne):

http://storage.canalblog.com/37/47/220269/57436510.jpg

Orléans, maison Jeanne d'Arc:

http://voyages.fond-ecran-image.com/blog-photo/files/2008/11/3-maison-de-jeanne-darc.jpg

ficuscarica

04-10-2012, 11:30 PM

Central France has a very specific style, with repetetive X- or diamond-shaped patterns.

I love all pictures that have been posted so far, but some of these are especially gorgeous.

Ouistreham

04-10-2012, 11:44 PM

The Norman style deserves to be called "half-timbered": there is often less filling matherial than wood! It seems oak timber was cheap back then...

Rouen :

http://a35.idata.over-blog.com/0/32/00/07/Normandie-3/rouen11.JPG

http://a7.idata.over-blog.com/399x600/0/32/00/07/Normandie-3/rouen1.JPG

http://a35.idata.over-blog.com/500x332/0/32/00/07/Normandie-3/rouen15.JPG

http://a35.idata.over-blog.com/399x600/0/32/00/07/Normandie-3/Rouen-la-couronne.JPG

Norman cottage:

http://colleges.ac-rouen.fr/montville/IMG/jpg/MAison_normande.jpg

Norman mansion:

http://www.socogefim.fr/image/galerie/3782/12.jpg

Ouistreham

04-11-2012, 12:01 AM

In Brittany, timber-framed architecture is restricted to old town centres (on the country all buildings are made of stone, in a typically Celtic way), probably reflecting an old divide between Frenchified (or Norman) urban bourgeoisie and Breton peasants.

Dinan old town is wonderful. Pretty standard French timber-framed architecture with obvious Norman influences:

http://www.clos-saint-cadreuc.com/Images/Dinan.jpg

http://www.bretons-de-rueil.com/old/load/Vitre2010/dinan.jpg

http://valderance.free.fr/valimage/jerzual6.jpg
http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/magazine/balade-dans-la-france-medievale/image/dinan-596925.jpg

Catrau

04-11-2012, 01:13 AM

Portuguese network of historical villages in Central Portugal
Granite houses

Celorico da Beira
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/76811_1699794733212_1188234743_1897340_1263073_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/162877_1699784892966_1188234743_1897323_2228424_n. jpg

Trancoso
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/149026_1699749052070_1188234743_1897277_290992_n.j pg

Castelo Mendo
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/63886_1606029429138_1188234743_1709853_187132_n.jp g

Castelo Bom
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/63886_1606029229133_1188234743_1709848_4197213_n.j pg

Sortelha
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1456507931194_1188234743_1320910_2346943_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1456507971195_1188234743_1320911_8334720_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1458084170599_1188234743_1325334_7207946_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1458084410605_1188234743_1325339_6451941_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1458084490607_1188234743_1325341_4788600_n.j pg
:D

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31680_1458084370604_1188234743_1325338_8096231_n.j pg

Óbidos (Estremadura)
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31330_1446602363561_1188234743_1291833_4324997_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20Histricas/31330_1446602003552_1188234743_1291827_1959978_n.j pg

http://www.aldeiashistoricasdeportugal.com/

2Cool

04-11-2012, 01:26 AM

^^

http://i.imgur.com/zUaEL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8VYuM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dceS3.jpg

Forget moving the rocks, just make the rocks part of your house!

lol

Vasconcelos

04-11-2012, 01:33 AM

ficuscarica

04-11-2012, 07:37 AM

I don´t understand why people in Europe were able to build beautiful houses for centuries and it is only in the last 50 years they seem to build predominantly ugly buildings.

Also, the combination of narrow streets and historic houses somehow always looks good... build that on a hill, add some old lamps and a few plants, and voila, a very nice place is created. :)

ficuscarica

04-11-2012, 07:39 AM

Where are the British members? :)

ficuscarica

04-11-2012, 07:49 AM

Straßburger Münster in Alsace
http://www.elsass-geniessen.de/de/orte/data/orte_2_1.jpg

Ulmer Münster in Württemberg (world´s highest church building)
http://www.radio7.de/fileadmin/mount/allgemein/Presse/Bilder/ulmer_muenster.jpg

Freiburger Münster in Baden (some say it´s the most beautiful building of Christianity)
http://www.frsw.de/luftbilder/Freiburg07.jpg
http://www.umdiewelt.de/photos/1392/5622/2/438923.jpg
http://www.carto.net/neumann/travelling/2006/freiburg_im_breisgau_2006_10/12_freiburger_muenster_south_front_and_alte_wache. jpg
http://www.kirchengucker.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/800px-freiburg_-_munster.JPG

Catrau

04-11-2012, 08:10 AM

Interesting to note that all of us posted pictures from the Beiras, I suppose they are the most charming (Monsanto was considered "the most portuguese village of Portugal")..but the North has quite a lot of granite buildings (houses) aswell!

I could show you some very nice architecture in the south (Alentejo) but they do not have stoned walls

Mértola
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/319131_2352757216866_1188234743_2834113_1256364490 _n.jpg

City of Beja
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/312706_2358671084709_1188234743_2838166_58827103_n .jpg

Monsaraz
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/305794_2356664514546_1188234743_2836674_1023123737 _n.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/312005_2356664394543_1188234743_2836673_550374198_ n.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/310209_2356663194513_1188234743_2836669_1862844160 _n.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alentejo/312237_2356660874455_1188234743_2836661_442395387_ n.jpg

ficuscarica

04-11-2012, 08:16 AM

@Cantrau: Buildings like these fit well in this thread. :)

Pallantides

04-11-2012, 01:26 PM

Røros in South Trøndelag
http://i.imgur.com/4s8uG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Dmd4Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M6I7h.jpg

Gamlebyen(old town) in Oslo
http://i.imgur.com/naGYd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6oZIE.jpg

Ouistreham

04-11-2012, 05:05 PM

Bresse is a small province of France you have probably never heard of. It's located at the South-Eastern end of Burgundy, close to Lyons.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Bresse_localization.jpg/250px-Bresse_localization.jpg

This is the area where Latin, Alpine, Germanic and mainstream French building usances converge and collide, hence a mindboggling diversity in styles and some unique constructional combinations.

For instance, those farmhouses look like they were Alsatian:

http://a.imdoc.fr/1/journal-intime/quotidien/photo/0914708091/1508252bb9/quotidien-maison-bressane-img.jpg

http://immogo.com/fr/nyroUtils/uploadedFiles/uploads,photo,impressive_bressane_oak_framed_bourg eois_maison-8o.jpg

http://photos.itea.fr/photos/gites71/G/photo/2165.jpg

This one is somewhat reminiscent of Lower Saxony:

http://image.loomji.fr/ph/71514/294/7/sens-sur-seille-m.jpg

Others have a Norman or Danish vibe:

http://www.chambres-hotes-senonaise.com/images/maison_bressane.jpg

But in the same district (sometimes in the same hamlet) you'll find houses that look quite similar to Italian farms of Lombardia, with their flattened roof and round Latin tiles!

http://images03.olx.fr/ui/4/52/16/64814616_3-12-km-Macon-superbe-maison-bressane-restauree-sur-5000-m2-avec-piscine-a-vendre-St-cyr-sur-menthon.jpg

The most distinctive buildings in the area freely mix timber-frame technology with Mediterranean features. Teutonic buildings under Hispano-Italian roofs. Absolutely unique!

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/34847/ferme-bressane.jpg

http://data0.doremiblog.com/nekoelfie/mod_article4981797_16.jpg?6314

ficuscarica

04-11-2012, 05:22 PM

haha, weird, but cool, especially the last house

Graham

04-11-2012, 05:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/zUaEL.jpg

What the hell! loving the ingenuity. It's like turning a rockslide into a home.

Catrau

04-11-2012, 08:57 PM

Rede das Aldeias do Xisto (Schist Villages Network) in the forrest, Central Portugal

All houses are build of schist plates glued together with cement.

http://www.aldeiasdoxisto.pt/index/6

Casal de São Simão village is one of the 24 villages network
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/22174_1348848519776_1188234743_1049343_224823_n.jp g

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/22174_1348848479775_1188234743_1049342_8125980_n.j pg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/22174_1348848439774_1188234743_1049341_7780762_n.j pg

From now on, focus only on the houses and respective construction techniques, please.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/Sara1.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/Sara2.jpg

Fantastic porch
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Aldeias%20do%20Xisto/Sara3.jpg

http://www.aldeiasdoxisto.pt/index/6

2Cool

04-11-2012, 09:18 PM

Here are some more picture of Portuguese villages:

http://i.imgur.com/eTFt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d3BN7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/j2KDd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dknOx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UNC6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ammo7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T7Ase.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IfE7J.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LEPq2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ruEsz.jpg < in Madeira lol

Catrau

04-11-2012, 09:32 PM

Here are some more picture of Portuguese villages:

Am I wrong or this a trully wonderful place???

:D:D:D:D :thumb001:

Ouistreham

04-12-2012, 12:11 AM

Where are the British members? :)

Given their poor responsiveness, I feel of my duty to go ahead....

As a rule of thumb, half-timbered buildings are much more widespread in the East and South-East of Britain (the more North or West you go, the more obvious becomes the presence of Celtic (?) stonemasonry).

Depending of locations, the techniques used in England are similar to Norman, Danish or Lower Saxon models (as could be expected).

Norman / French style:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8s1TB229vsg/ScxlKf90exI/AAAAAAAACL0/bI2VaXz3CRw/178255500_68f974e052_thumb%5B8%5D.jpg

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_533/1282743269hh5Z5n.jpg

With more specifically Norman influences (the herringbone stripes):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lcETkB6nadw/TV0u5esQuOI/AAAAAAAAACY/R3HZNVrrIqs/s1600/Tudor%2Bhouse%2B3.jpg

Danish style (this sober framework on the forefront):

http://www.cotswolds.info/images/warwick/history/mill_street.jpg
http://cache.graphicslib.viator.com/graphicslib/media/08/tudor-houses-photo_998920-500x375.jpg

Similar to Low Saxon style (with regularly dimensioned square structures):

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/houses/tudors/new/tud.jpg

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/houses/tudors/new/pand.jpg

But the most specific part of English timber-framed Tudor architecture is the use of wooden beams to create extravagant patterns with endless fantasy, from the weird to the flat out insane:

http://www.schooljotter.com/imagefolders/stannes/yr4/shibenhall.jpg

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/28649/wm/pd3068368.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/302956763_3a87e8df47_o.jpg

If some English member wants to add something on the matter he is welcome to do!

Rouxinol

04-12-2012, 02:11 AM

I really like the minhoto (northwestern tip of Portugal) traditional style of rural housing. Usually they are built of granite stones (abundant in Minho) and its roofs are steep due to the area high rainfall. In olden times, when part of family farms, the lower floor was often used as a cattle shed.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eW8FJtja3gk/T1ajJHoISXI/AAAAAAAAAPg/BrDcK9VNF9c/s720/06%2520Ger%25C3%25AAs%2520-%2520Casa%2520dos%2520Peliteiros.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qiP83mvAAxQ/T1ajP-0IQXI/AAAAAAAAAPo/BJdnf5VkaTw/s720/07%2520Ger%25C3%25AAs%2520-%2520Casa%2520dos%2520Peliteiros.JPG

Albion

04-12-2012, 01:01 PM

Great idea for a thread Ficus. :thumb001:

I think most of ours in England look like some of those French and Dutch examples. There's a lot of old timber-framed houses around here with plenty of stone buildings in the hills.

I don´t understand why people in Europe were able to build beautiful houses for centuries and it is only in the last 50 years they seem to build predominantly ugly buildings.

Also, the combination of narrow streets and historic houses somehow always looks good... build that on a hill, add some old lamps and a few plants, and voila, a very nice place is created.

Tell me about it. :(

Where are the British members?

Never fear, Albion is here!

As a rule of thumb, half-timbered buildings are much more widespread in the East and South-East of Britain (the more North or West you go, the more obvious becomes the presence of Celtic (?) stonemasonry).

I'd say the Welsh Marches have a lot of timber framed buildings. The further north and west you go the more hillier and rockier the landscape gets so it just made more sense to build from stone.

http://static.flickr.com/102/302956763_3a87e8df47_o.jpg
If some English member wants to add something on the matter he is welcome to do!

This building isn't very far from me, I've been there many times in fact, it's Little Moreton Hall.

Albion

04-12-2012, 01:15 PM

Okay, here are a few more from my county.

An pub in East Cheshire

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Congleton_4.jpg

Church at Marton

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/55/10/551029_5cd16d11.jpg

http://www.hedgedruid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Marton-Chapel-Imbolc-2012-2-Small.jpg

A shop in Chester

http://www.chester360.co.uk/gallery/images/cross.jpg

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/log/3090bc24-ee56-40fa-ab62-fdc74862bc29.JPG

http://www.blogandgo.co.uk/A55A21/BlogAndGo.nsf/2A6C70B96537C286802573C20046A9BA/$file/mChest25.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/5847396005_13bfe8d0b3.jpg

Some places in Nantwich:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ron.strutt/fullpics/nantwich.jpg

http://www.churchesmansion.com/images/churches_mansion1.jpg

http://www.cheshirenow.co.uk/images_3/nnantwch2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_C5pHw4QF5_4/TM_rLthR84I/AAAAAAAABqI/T_X6id2t-N0/s1600/P1010840.JPG

Timber framed buildings are quite characteristic of Cheshire and the march with Wales in fact. Most of the black and white ones are generally Tudor up here.

I'll post more in a while.

Ouistreham

04-12-2012, 01:30 PM

roofs are steep due to the area high rainfall.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eW8FJtja3gk/T1ajJHoISXI/AAAAAAAAAPg/BrDcK9VNF9c/s720/06%2520Ger%25C3%25AAs%2520-%2520Casa%2520dos%2520Peliteiros.JPG

steep roofs... to Portuguese standards?

There is absolutely no relationship between weather conditions and roof steepness. In some areas that are subject to very heavy rain- and snowfall (like in the Alps, or Western Norway), roofs are customarily quite flat because they used to be made of flagstone, that keep in place for the sole force of gravity (just like Latin round tiles).

On the other hand, extreme steepness which distinguishes North-West Europe is due to the fact that in the past there were only thatched roofs, that require a 50° grade at least to ensure watertightness.

The only instances of steep roofs in Southern Europe are thatched roofs, like in Camargue (near Marseilles, France):

http://www.pierreseche.com/images/maison_de_gardian_1970a.jpg

... or in Madeira (Portugal):

http://i.imgur.com/ruEsz.jpg

Duke

04-12-2012, 01:43 PM

Stone houses are traditional houses in my part of the world, mostly because of abundance of stone.
Thing is in rocky terrain they you level up a field for a house, from leftovers you get building material :)

http://www.hvar-agency.com/common/a6/s/6601/dora-apartment-split-varo%C5%A1-3.JPG
http://www.maxima-film.hr/images/split/split%20varos.jpg
http://www.split.hr/citylights/14/4.jpg
http://narodni.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dalmatinska-kamena-ku%C4%87a.jpg
http://www.adriamosaic.com/Slike/090kuca.jpg
http://www.adriamosaic.com/Slike/011kuca.jpg
http://www.centarnekretnina.net/user-images/classifieds/1120000/1110836/1-350x350.jpg

etc

Albion

04-12-2012, 01:47 PM

Nantwich:

http://nbepiphany.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=24092&g2_serialNumber=1
Good god, it's basically got a pound shop at the bottom! :eek:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/26-30_Welsh_Row_Nantwich.jpg
A pub along Welsh Row in Nantwich. Welsh Rows are streets which were formerly full of Welsh people, they occur in many parts of the Marches, particularly where there are mines. Nantwich had salt mines, another Welsh Row at Mow Cop was next to copper and coal mines - the Welsh came as miners and cattle drovers. "-wich" is a suffix applied to old salt mining towns btw.

Nantwich simply epitomises the English side of the Welsh Marches, many of its shops are timber framed.
I tend not to notice much though, it's basically the norm around here to see a lot of these old black and white buildings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/20a-22_High_St_Nantwich.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/21-23_High_St%2C_Nantwich.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/20_Beam_St%2C_Nantwich.jpg

Rouxinol

04-12-2012, 02:09 PM

steep roofs... to Portuguese standards?

Yes, they do not get much steeper than that with a few exceptions (as Madeira's traditional thatched houses). As to Minho the roofs have projected eaves - that's the main weather-related adaptation I believe. My bad, most roofs have that steepness all over Portugal so it makes sense that weather doesn't play a major role - if any - when determining steepness, but rather the material used.

Albion

04-12-2012, 02:23 PM

I'm not quite sure why so many of the old buildings around here go back to the Tudor period. I suppose it must have something to do with the English Civil War, the Marcher counties were severely affected since they were basically the frontier of the royalist controlled areas.
The Marcher counties were some of the poorer parts of England during past centuries as well. Ironically they're some of the richest today and somehow a lot of old architecture has survived. Cheshire formed a principality within the English realm at different times too.

More from Nantwich:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/9_Hospital_St_Nantwich.jpg

Another nice old building from Nantwich, this time in brick:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Wrights_Almshouses%2C_Nantwich2.jpg

Shropshire:

Shropshire (also called Salop) is a nice county too, probably a bit better than Cheshire (it's quieter) and it has lots of old timber buildings too.
I'll post some stone buildings latter. Stone buildings in this part of the world are usually in old mining villages in the hills.

Oswestry:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Oswestry_-_Historic_buildings_in_town_centre.jpg

Bishops Castle:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uDCxah2B71Q/TmZvc19KXlI/AAAAAAAABC8/TcU5Disrj9w/s1600/Bishops%2BCastle1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4XFB2MivJ_M/TmZvduy8M5I/AAAAAAAABDU/h13q4IBlZ1I/s1600/Bishops%2BCastle4.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J364rhFHxJo/TmZvdTrMSEI/AAAAAAAABDM/nrLl-3qWqEc/s1600/Bishops%2BCastle3.jpg

That's just a few buildings I know of from two counties - just imagine if I posted for all ~42 counties of England. :eek:
These old timber framed buildings are as common as muck and usually associated with manors, old town centres and pubs.

Stone architecture tends to be associated with villages in the hills and mining villages, but some places like Oxford have stone architecture everywhere and don't follow that rule

Albion

04-12-2012, 02:53 PM

Another pub in Shropshire:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Feathers_hotel.jpg

Much Wenlock:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/The_Guildhall%2C_Much_Wenlock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_100508.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Bookshop_in_Much_Wenlock.jpg

Craven Arms, Shropshire:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rqOkdi476Zs/Tf-enf965OI/AAAAAAAABS4/TuwVuLWuc6I/s1600/Stokesay%2Bgatehouse.jpg

That's enough timber framed buildings for now, now here are some stone structures.

Castletown, Derbyshire:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RoKhH85AaW4/TdCpfx0ll-I/AAAAAAAAA8s/9V8s9j8calE/s1600/Castleton3.jpg
This scene is very characteristic of the villages in the Pennines - the little stone cottages in a steep landscape.

Peak District:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Mpzu6vNJ4Uk/TdFwylYZbfI/AAAAAAAAA-M/dVv5N6Pq8ww/s1600/New%2BMills3.jpg
An old mill

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfJGyRpisI/AAAAAAAAAgc/YTD3CD_TqIg/s1600/Rocker

Some more timber frame:

Chester, Cheshire:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAaS76R75oI/AAAAAAAAARE/WxUaIyOpg1c/s1600/DCP_0858.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TOGyM57mHSI/AAAAAAAAA5s/Ci23PRHwvsc/s1600/dcp_3586.jpg

Ledbury Herefordshire:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAenu_W8TdI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/ZHEJ9Xconq4/s1600/Ledbury+1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAenvBCQPxI/AAAAAAAAAaE/iGzViODtaM0/s1600/Ledbury+3.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAenvpOmmpI/AAAAAAAAAaM/5mLeoJ7PLmU/s1600/Ledbury+6.jpg

A few more Pennine villages:

http://www.roaches.org.uk/Roaches%20photos/Upper%20Hulme%20Village%20labelled.jpg
Lol, that's how it looks around here at the moment - wet, rainy and dark. Really, it's been heavy rain and hail all day today.

http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/images/roachescottage.jpg
Rockhall at The Roaches

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7264/7000778625_92062e7904_b.jpg

Albion

04-12-2012, 03:16 PM

Somerset:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfaGZafGfI/AAAAAAAAAkE/YsWuXz5ghb0/s1600/dcp_3025.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfb4JsKxaI/AAAAAAAAAk0/kbSuEZTbfuY/s1600/dcp_3011.jpg
This street has a weird feel about it

Oxford:

This is how Southerners build a university town. It's nice enough, I just think I'd get a bit sick of it after a while.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6-csE-vtKCs/TjW4XwFsrGI/AAAAAAAABAc/DbXXNTvG4u8/s1600/dcp_3802.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AVhO535aY-k/TjW4ymNbvgI/AAAAAAAABAk/ABZ8VdEsr78/s1600/dcp_3803.jpg

Sussex:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfknY7i9EI/AAAAAAAAAm8/0tL2tZ-LLPI/s1600/lavenham1.JPG
Timber frame, southern style. They were never as good as us at building in timber frame.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfkmswp2VI/AAAAAAAAAms/MEDyrhrxlz8/s1600/DCP_1956.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfkmHKalrI/AAAAAAAAAmk/iYoXPMYvYiI/s1600/crooked+lavenham.JPG

Weald Museum, Sussex:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfqD5IwB4I/AAAAAAAAApE/V3XO02MvVBU/s1600/img848.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfqDtrjcCI/AAAAAAAAAo8/L321uel7XX8/s1600/img847.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfqDaeNYMI/AAAAAAAAAo0/fPnR3AFRCSw/s1600/img845.jpg

Lacock, Wiltshire:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAffXzc2yVI/AAAAAAAAAl0/euFPPOlK5ZY/s1600/lacock15.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAffXfOoglI/AAAAAAAAAls/oXDhAH7OD9s/s1600/lacock11.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAffXD39BmI/AAAAAAAAAlk/eJOAN0lWrVk/s1600/lacock9.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAfftTQZIYI/AAAAAAAAAmE/bMcsvZ7Bml4/s1600/lacock8.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8TFB8QOPKo/TAffW8bmMuI/AAAAAAAAAlc/aFSJIRWLTKE/s1600/lacock6.jpg

Albion

04-12-2012, 03:26 PM

I never really thought about it much, but from those pictures I posted there are definite differences between areas.
I'd say there's a Marches design in Cheshire, Shropshire and Herefordshire, it looks more Central European to me, then there's a design in the South East which fits in more with Normandy perhaps.

Nglund

04-12-2012, 03:32 PM

But the most specific part of English timber-framed Tudor architecture is the use of wooden beams to create extravagant patterns with endless fantasy, from the weird to the flat out insane

Thanks! :suomut:

Albion

04-12-2012, 03:39 PM

Here are some typical stone buildings from the Pennines:

The climate in the Pennines is cool and wet whilst the landscape is characterised by hills and drystone walls. Woods are found in gorges and along streams, but most of the landscape lost its forest cover in the Bronze Age, although there are a few plantations.
The building materials are whatever stone is locally abundant, usually either millstone grit - a tough type of sandstone or limestone. The buildings go that dull colour from the weather and past pollution I suppose, some of them were originally a pinkish colour!

http://www.loweswatercam.co.uk/09060602.jpg

http://www.loweswatercam.co.uk/09060604.jpg

http://www.loweswatercam.co.uk/09060624.jpg

http://www.loweswatercam.co.uk/09060678.jpg

The contrast between different areas of England is amazing.

Graham

04-12-2012, 03:46 PM

^^^ Our older houses are more like those. Timber-framed houses are a rarety.

Albion

04-12-2012, 04:06 PM

^^^ Our older houses are more like those. Timber-framed houses are a rarety.

Good point, I can't think of any timber frame houses that I know of in Scotland. There's plenty of stone houses though, Scotland's pretty famous for that, along with Wales and Northern England.

Catrau

04-12-2012, 08:41 PM

No Swedes around??
I'll do the honors with a few more of my own pics.
All wooden houses are very minimalistic yet very beautiful. Easy to build in all sizes. They come in 4 main coloura: red, yellow, blue and grey (dirty white)

Burlov, Skane
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/40053_1542833809287_1188234743_1562238_5730026_n.j pg

Halstadt, Halland
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/40053_1542833969291_1188234743_1562242_90355_n.jpg

Bjorko, Gothaland
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/37995_1542838449403_1188234743_1562293_7770067_n.j pg

Bjorlanda, Gothaland
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/38591_1542839289424_1188234743_1562307_7506230_n.j pg

Goteborg (note lower floor in brick because of the fire risk, it's a Goteborg typical style)
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/40875_1542841209472_1188234743_1562326_1264094_n.j pg

Kungalv, Gothaland
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Sucia/40829_1542841969491_1188234743_1562339_7619126_n.j pg

Dilberth

04-12-2012, 10:54 PM

Wooden houses -hiza from Croatia:

http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0000879917_m_0_dlj0ni.jpg
http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0000805586_m_0_jk6s5v.jpg
http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0000717569_m_0_s0qa33.jpg
http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0000355082_m_0_ie0a3i.jpg
http://www.idemvan.hr/content_images/header246928500chgzdwvpnr.jpg
http://www.idemvan.hr/content_images/big330592406bxngrwtpzf.jpg
http://www.idemvan.hr/content_images/big28123746vhgcjptfqz.jpg
http://www.idemvan.hr/content_images/big432791563xgzjrtvpsd.jpg
http://www.zabok.hr/slike/galerije/Otvorena_izlozba_Zeljka_Breke_gupceva_hiza_2010.jp g
http://www.destinacije.com/Slike/Wallpapers/2006/Zagorska_Hiza.JPG
http://i53.tinypic.com/2v94r2h.jpg

Catrau

04-12-2012, 11:43 PM

Røros in South Trøndelag
http://i.imgur.com/4s8uG.jpg

Hej Pallantides. This grass on the roof are also typical? I can't remember to see it in other pics. Does it have a purpose or it's just a coincidence? I wonder if it has some kind of intention to let grass grow on the roofs. In fact there's this new trend called "vertical gardens" and "roof gardens" that among other things intend to reduce solar reflection and control inside temperature. Urban roof gardens have also a positive magnitude environmental impact.

So, do you use this with some king of purpose??

Pallantides

04-12-2012, 11:52 PM

ficuscarica

04-12-2012, 11:54 PM

@Dilberth: You´re sure they aren´t in the black forest? ;)

Black Forest architecture (MUST love it):
http://www.histohotels.de/tl_files/histohotels/content/lexikon/schwarzwaldhaus.jpg
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/11867074.jpg
http://static2.akpool.de/images/cards/43/438180.jpg
http://imageseu.fewo-direkt.de/vd2/files/VV/400x300/io/2018662/532302_1264511813407.jpg

A bit off-topic: On hot summer days it´s nice to drive to the cooler Black Forest. There´s a beautiful nature reserve where we like to go for walks, it has a scandinavian vibe which is very unique in South-West Germany. Afterwards we go to this nice-looking little restaurant, where they serve blueberry deserts, such as blueberry pancakes, and other typical badish and swabian dishes. The house is decorated with many beautiful flowers:
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4074/4814953723_5fcdf1751c_z.jpg
http://www.schwarzwald-tourismus.info/var/plain/storage/images/media/presse/bilder_logos/natur/kaltenbronn_wildsee/188261-1-ger-DE/kaltenbronn_wildsee_large.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/8117219.jpg
http://blog.netplanet.org/wp-content/files/2008/08/pfannkuch_heidelbeersauce.jpg

Ouistreham

04-13-2012, 12:02 AM

Hej Pallantides. This grass on the roof are also typical? I can't remember to see it in other pics. Does it have a purpose or it's just a coincidence? I wonder if it has some kind of intention to let grass grow on the roofs. In fact there's this new trend called "vertical gardens" and "roof gardens" that among other things intend to reduce solar reflection and control inside temperature. Urban roof gardens have also a positive magnitude environmental impact.

So, do you use this with some king of purpose??

Yes. Green roofs (grästak, gröna taken) are a very old tradition in Scandinavia. There are plenty of them on the Faroe islands:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Bour%2C_Faroe_Islands_%285%29.JPG/800px-Bour%2C_Faroe_Islands_%285%29.JPG

They are frequent in Norway too, aren't rare in Sweden. You can see one on the Gyllene Uttern entrance (the famous restaurant/motel by the Vättern lake, half way between Stockholm and Malmö:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Gyllene_Uttern_2009.JPG/800px-Gyllene_Uttern_2009.JPG

A green roof offers excellent thermal isolation, protects the roof material from high temperature excursion, and is self-maintaining over a long period of time.

In Normandy we use vegetation (generally irises) on thatched roofs above the top purlin, they grow long and tough roots in search of moisture and thus prevent the thatch from going to pieces!

http://img.fotocommunity.com/images/France/Normandie/La-chaumiere-normande-a24441923.jpg

And it looks wonderful during blossom season:

http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/13032814.jpg

ficuscarica

04-13-2012, 12:24 AM

Gengenbach (in the hills between the upper Rhine valley and the Black Forest) is one of Baden´s most beautiful towns. It has countless beautiful timber-framed houses and other historic buildings.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Gengenbach_11.jpg
http://www.zweitaelerland.de/var/plain_site/storage/images/sehenswertes-attraktionen/ausflugsziele/hier-will-ich-hin/gengenbach/4458-1-ger-DE/Gengenbach_large.jpg
http://www.kirchberg.web-side-story.de/includes/media/gengenbach.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8t44bfkSB6Q/TAtfDivUsyI/AAAAAAAAAxA/9VqL8UgZclY/s1600/Engelgasse%2BGengenbach.JPG
http://img.fotocommunity.com/Architektur-Bauwesen/Architektur-bei-Nacht/Gengenbach-bei-Nacht-a20377155.jpg
http://erdrichhof.de/media/Ueber%20Gengenbach/Erdrichhof%20Bergach%20-%20Gengenbach%20-%20Im%20Engelgaessle.jpg
http://view.stern.de/de/picture/2177176/nacht-Altstadtgasse-Gengenbach-Kinzigtal-Gengenbach-Nacht-Blau-510x510.jpg
http://static.zoonar.de/img/www_repository3/c5/ae/c1/10_125bee69d52bf7b31698c801dfc55e84.jpg
http://www.intergerma.de/tagungshotels/images/cities/gengenbach.jpg
http://www.die-reichsstadt.de/assets/images/pic/umgebung_a.jpg

ficuscarica

04-13-2012, 12:49 AM

Gernsbach is another beautiful town between Black Forest and Rhine Valley, full of timber-framed houses and historic stone buildings.

http://murgtal.org/var/plain/storage/images/media/images/orte/gernsbach/gernsbach_obertsrot/10004-1-ger-DE/gernsbach_obertsrot_gallery_custom.jpg

http://www.ursula-baesse.de/m5gernsb.jpg

townhall:
[IMG]http://1rl.de/fotos/gernsbach/gernsbach-009-IMGP4220-ppl3-ff-2008-06-19.jpg

castle (with vineyard):
http://murgtal.org/var/plain/storage/images/media/images/orte/gernsbach/gernsbach_schloss_eberstein__1/9992-1-ger-DE/gernsbach_schloss_eberstein_gallery_custom.jpg
http://www.murgtal.org/var/plain/storage/images/media/images/sehenswertes/kirchen/liebfrauenkirche_gernsbach/25531-1-ger-DE/liebfrauenkirche_gernsbach_gallery_custom.jpg
http://img.webme.com/pic/b/badischewanderungen/gernsbach_6.jpg
http://v4.cache8.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7550033.jpg?redirect_counter=1
http://www.wohnmobilforum.de/bilderdienst/up/Gernsbach1_6c1b.JPG
http://www.seminarhaus-gernsbach.de/materialien/photos/gernsbach/zehntscheuer.jpg
http://www.murgtaltourist.info/images/gernsbach013_460.jpg

Veneda

04-13-2012, 01:15 AM

Some examples from Polish area

http://images.photo.bikestats.eu/zdjecie,600,193733,20110629,budynek-z-muru-pruskiego-w-gliwicach.jpg

http://img.polskieszlaki.pl/zdjecia/planer_2010_4/10271_id_1287828066.jpg

http://swidnica.miaston.pl/zdjecia/duze/1/swidnica-mur-pruski-d.jpg

http://www.dabki.pl/historia/b4_dabki.jpg

http://darek.dom.w.interia.pl/pila/album/slides/pila06.jpg

http://darek.dom.w.interia.pl/pila/album/slides/pila22.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-orf1E2UYPqs/Tr_TpaKIviI/AAAAAAAAADM/SaAcAJluO5c/s1600/mur+pruski.JPG

Dilberth

04-13-2012, 01:16 AM

@Dilberth: You´re sure they aren´t in the black forest? ;)

They do look similar:)

http://to.novena.hr/files/upload/Obj/2513-O/07-08-23-Klaster-Zagorje5.jpg
http://to.novena.hr/files/upload/Obj/2513-O/07-08-23-Klaster-Zagorje-ug.jpg
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z307/diavolissima/6gostilna.jpg
http://www.mountvacation.com/hr/slovenija/rogla/pohorska-hisa-lukanja/images/pohorska-hisa-lukanja_summer_1_original.jpg
http://www.mountvacation.com/hr/slovenija/rogla/pohorska-hisa-lukanja/images/pohorska-hisa-lukanja_winter_1_original.jpg
http://www.stubicketoplice.hr/slike/snjezna.jpg
http://www.destinacije.com/Slike/Hrvatska/GradevineiObjekti/Cvjecara_Gita-Turopoljska_Hiza.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_f5zEsczD86A/TB4a8nkrz2I/AAAAAAAAG5U/cDjAvNwPvsE/s1600/hiza.jpg
http://www.prkos.com/gn/slike/gn_slike_3/r1/g2009/m04/x47763201294746733194.jpg

Foxy

04-13-2012, 08:26 AM

In Italy, in the alpine area, they use "baite" (chalets):

Trentino

http://www.masdelabolp.it/_imgd/Mas_de_la_Bolp_estate_07_leg_0.JPG
http://campobase.travel/uploads/pics/hotel_baita_velon_vermiglio_trentino_esterni_estiv i_summer.jpg

Veneto

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/d0/27/86/baita-fraina.jpg

Valle D'Aosta

http://images03.olx.it/ui/12/55/45/f_200475045-04fb76da.jpeg
http://images02.olx.it/ui/19/12/24/f_278220824-2804927771.jpeg

Catrau

04-13-2012, 07:20 PM

Germany:

Romerplatz, Frankfurt
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alemanha/40629_1545644639556_1188234743_1570854_7532974_n.j pg

Kurze Strasse, Götingen
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alemanha/40460_1545642959514_1188234743_1570831_1765888_n.j pg

Knochenhauer-Amtshaus, Marketplatz, Hildesheim
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alemanha/41249_1545641239471_1188234743_1570809_3657894_n.j pg

Ballhofplatz, Hannover
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alemanha/45551_1545638759409_1188234743_1570782_7347786_n.j pg

Gröpelgrube, Lübeck
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/1Catrau/Facebook/Alemanha/46173_1545637399375_1188234743_1570773_2329279_n.j pg

askra

04-13-2012, 10:26 PM

Timber-framed houses can be found also in Sardinia, mainly in the ex mining towns.

http://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/mmt/1024/28161.jpg

Montevecchio-ingurtosu
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3416/3177497969_c3e4b62183_z.jpg

Argentiera (the main silver mining town of the island)
http://www.argentiera.castelmeteo.it/libro/cartolina-3.jpg

but great part of traditional houses are realised with stone (granite, trachyte and basalt in particular), balconies, floors and often also the lintels and the roofs were realised with wood.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3645/3633460048_c779e8b85a_z.jpg?zz=1

http://www.voyagevirtuel.info/sardaigne/images/tempio-pausania-via-giuseppe-mazzini-17.jpg

http://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/mmt/1024/269128.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4149/5072070954_c28a5826f0_b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4108/5071484213_fdcf299c8f_b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4126/5072086714_afba38500b_b.jpg

http://www.residenzedepoca.it/inc/files/images/partner//sardegna/tempio_pausania/la_vignaredda_residenza_d_epoca_2004.jpg

http://www.risorseimmobiliari.it/public/annunci/12981/1638555/503194.jpg

http://www.etineris.net/file/foto/8636/377892.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5201/5282507382_1662d4767a_b.jpg

http://www.dimoresarde.it/dimore/casa-porru/3.jpg

http://www.comune.olmedo.ss.it/galleria/foto/1322129524fonni-pastorias-2011-casa-tipica-centro-anteprima-460x345-453806[1].jpg

askra

04-15-2012, 06:37 PM

http://www.pierreseche.com/images/maison_de_gardian_1970a.jpg

... or in Madeira (Portugal):

http://i.imgur.com/ruEsz.jpg

other examples of tatched roofs in southern europe are the falasco's houses (sedge's houses) in Sinis Peninsula, Sardinia

http://www.cuboimages.it/getImageBin.asp?filename=MSI0881%2Ejpg

http://www.cuboimages.it/getImageBin.asp?filename=MSI0886%2Ejpg

http://www.cuboimages.it/FOTO/thumbs/SimoniniMarco/MSI17/MSI0882.jpg

the pinnette (ancient shepherd's huts)
http://www.parcodellagiara.it/public/gallery/paesaggi-giara/escursioni-giara-pinnetta1.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/9083204.jpg

"a modernized version"
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3117/2492827744_05da293964_b.jpg

and also in Central Italy

http://www.culturaitalia.it/opencms/export/sites/culturaitalia/images/24---Roberto-Almagi-Capanna-di-pastori-nellAgro-Romano-1930-ca.-Archivio-fotografico-della-Societ-geografica-italiana-Fondo-Elio-Migliorini.jpg

http://www.borghidilatina.it/upload/fototesti/1capanna%20lepini2.jpg

Ouistreham

04-17-2012, 08:01 PM

Timber-frames houses are very rare in the Netherlands and Flanders (except for the German-influenced Dutch Limburg), because:

- those countries were ahead of European urban development as soon as the 14th century (Antwerp was a much bigger town than Paris or London back then), which led to an early awareness of fire hazards, so that wooden structures were virtually banned from cities,

- density of population was already high, and wood resources rather scarce,

- furthermore, all valuable timber was primarily used for shipbuilding.

This ban extended to the countryside (from Northern France to Frisia, farms are only made of bricks) and to Hanseatic towns (timber-framing managed to survive in North Germany on the country).

But there is an exception: Terdeghem, a very tiny place in French Flanders, near Steenvoorde (half way between Dunkirk and Lille) that displays a unique concentration of timber-framed houses:

http://sentierdunord.free.fr/Photo%20de%20Cassel/slides/37.jpg
http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/07/29//08072907122570622325716.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YNGZ2WFwgME/TsqSwBXLE_I/AAAAAAABaEc/SgGOcwpWWRo/s1600/Mont_Cassel_255.jpg
http://photos.itea.fr/photos/gites59/G/photo/1645.jpg
http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/600x529/4/39/41/74/CARTE-DE-FRANCE-DES-PAYSAGES/021.JPG

Nothing really impressive, I know, except that Terdeghem is (as far as I know) the only surviving example of what ancient Flemish/Dutch timber-framed architecture used to look like.

Ouistreham

04-17-2012, 08:36 PM

askra

04-18-2012, 08:16 PM

http://www.dimoresarde.it/dimore/casa-porru/3.jpg
http://www.comune.olmedo.ss.it/galleria/foto/1322129524fonni-pastorias-2011-casa-tipica-centro-anteprima-460x345-453806[1].jpg
Askra,

This is really exciting. Those pictures show that Sardinia is somewhat unItalian...

In Italy, structural parts of wood are never allowed to show on the outer side of buildings. Probably a consequence of fire hazards in ancient Rome. It's a sort of taboo, which gives Italian cities their peculiar "all mineral" look (except for doors and shutters naturally).

This ban has been extended to Provence, Languedoc, Iberia, Dalmatia, Greece etc., basically to the whole Mediterranean basin, and even to a large part of Central Europe. Timber framed buildings are exceedingly rare in Austria (except for Allemanic Vorarlberg) and Bavaria south of the Danube.

A bizarre consequence is that the only significant presence on Mediterranean shores of half-timbered buildings is found in the culture area that for centuries opposed the Latin civilisation in the region, i.e... Turkey.

This is Turkish, go figure:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Safranbolu_traditional_house_2.jpg

it's interesting because those two houses are located in a region of Sardinia that was never romanized, the region was called by the ancient romans as Barbarìa, today known as Barbagia (land of the barbarians),
while in the island's areas that were colonized by the romans the traditional houses reflect perfectly the form of the ancient roman domus, in particular those ones located in the south of the island, that are constituted by a courtyard, porticoes, atriums, no windows faced on the public street, etc.

http://www.sufurriadroxu.it/public/wp-content/uploads/su%20furriadroxu%200010.jpg

http://www.fontesarda.it/quartu2/img/sadomuefarra.jpg

http://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/mmt/1024/100829.jpg

Ouistreham

04-18-2012, 09:28 PM

it's interesting because those two houses are located in a region of Sardinia that was never romanized, the region was called by the ancient romans as Barbarìa, today known as Barbagia (land of the barbarians),
while in the island's areas that were colonized by the romans the traditional houses reflect perfectly the form of the ancient roman domus

Wow! I didn't know that.
It just confirms once more that vernacular architecture tells the story of a region and of its culture.

An even more blatant case is the Basque country, the only part of Iberia where timber-framing is traditionally widespread.

The Basque house typically features a flat roof covered with Mediterrean tiles, like everywhere in Southern Europe, but the frontside, with entrance door and windows, is on a gable, just like in Germanic urban architecture (side walls feature only small windows). The front gable, at least its upper part, is timber-framed and often supports a wide balcony, while load bearing side walls are made of stone.

This idiosyncratic structure can be when needed enlarged sideways on both sides, or only one, but an asymmetrical façade gable is often preferred (especially in the French part of the Basque country).

This combination of features is absolutely unique in Europe. The Basque country is not only a linguistic and genetic isolate, it's also an isolate as for popular architecture.

Some typical Spanish examples:

http://www.tiendakefir.com/images/caserio.jpg
http://o4lh0q.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pnRWXUDExouwEXmS3Cov_1lBsd3nkS0AKcFSBrAZKQ71J0ID i_4wkj89fy1Iu-Nc_PgNbJEKS1t-8uzhVajQiWg/urkita_0175.jpg
http://alavaincoming.com/ficheros-2009/iruaritz-2-1.jpg

And on the French side of the border:

http://vppyr.free.fr/images/trans/voie_nive/panorama/1024_bas_cambo_maison.jpg
http://www.irigoian.com/maison-irigoian.jpg
http://www.cambo-les-bains.net/fondecran/coeur/maison-1.jpg

Pallantides

04-19-2012, 10:01 PM

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/stabbur.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/Aasgaardseter.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/GarnfiskernepaaSteren.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/LillematresterMasfjorden.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/Skjk.jpg

Small stone dwellings were rather common in some of the poorer areas of West Norway in the 19the century:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Norge/sedalenseterArnafjorden.jpg

Ouistreham

04-20-2012, 07:52 AM

Small stone dwellings were rather common in some of the poorer areas of West Norway in the 19the century

But still, it's a fact that Scandinavia is a civilization of the wood — as well as the Germanic world generally speaking, even if timber-framed architecture has been discarded in some parts of it (Austria, South Bavaria, Low Countries).

But when the English and some Dutch began to settle in America, they spontaneously rediscovered the techniques and the style of Scandinavian building. From New England to Virginia, oldest colonial farmhouses are remarkably similar to rural dwellings of Central Sweden.

Atlantic Islander

04-20-2012, 08:44 AM

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Atlantic Islander

04-20-2012, 08:45 AM

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Ouistreham

04-20-2012, 08:55 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/10mo5jo.jpg

LOL, Mediterranean houses with British sawh-windows...

That pesky Portuguese anglomania?

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rw7s6f.jpg

Heart of Oak

04-20-2012, 09:04 AM

we live in a grade one listed building, sounds nice until you want to change something like a new door or something like that.
It's Gorgian or Edwardian not sure but it's work work work work......

the street is called" Paragon" Jane Austin lived a few doors down......

Atlantic Islander

04-20-2012, 10:58 AM

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Albion

04-20-2012, 08:39 PM

But still, it's a fact that Scandinavia is a civilization of the wood — as well as the Germanic world generally speaking, even if timber-framed architecture has been discarded in some parts of it (Austria, South Bavaria, Low Countries).

But when the English and some Dutch began to settle in America, they spontaneously rediscovered the techniques and the style of Scandinavian building. From New England to Virginia, oldest colonial farmhouses are remarkably similar to rural dwellings of Central Sweden.

I don't know, once the Flemish brought brick making back to England (since it died out when the Romans left) they quickly became the building material of choice.
That's what I've noticed about England and the Low Countries compared to most areas of Europe - the brickwork is always very visible, everywhere else it seems to be rendered. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement_render)

Ouistreham

04-20-2012, 10:00 PM

I don't know, once the Flemish brought brick making back to England (since it died out when the Romans left) they quickly became the building material of choice.
That's what I've noticed about England and the Low Countries compared to most areas of Europe - the brickwork is always very visible, everywhere else it seems to be rendered. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement_render)

In Northwestern Europe, brick architecture is derived from timber framing. At some point (17-18th centuries), for half-timbered houses builders began to substitute mud and straw with a more trustworthy filling material, i.e. bricks. The transition can be seen with those few examples:

- Central France (Sologne):
http://www.hotel-st-cyr.com/images/maison_de_sologne.jpg

- Middle Germany (Saxony-Anhalt):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Calvörde%2C_Wohnhaus_Geschwister-Scholl-Straße_41.JPG/800px-Calvörde%2C_Wohnhaus_Geschwister-Scholl-Straße_41.JPG

- Southern Sweden (Scania):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Apoteksgården%2C_Ystad.jpg

In the end, there was only brick.

Furthermore, timber-framing had no prestige at all back then, it was seen as a Mediaeval vestige. Brick was trendy! Look at this place in Normandy (Lyons-la-Forêt), people preferred a façade made of brick, timber framing was hidden!

http://www.communes.com/images/orig/haute-normandie/eure/lyons-la-foret_27480/Lyons-la-Foret_28289_Anciennes-maisons-lyonsaises-a-colombages-normand.jpg

In most of those areas there was few usable stone, the soil being predominantly made of clay and sand (ideal for brickmaking). But when there was chalk, there were also flintstones, hence the many hybrid brick + flintstone combinations that appeared in the late 18th in Upper Normandy as well as in some parts of Southeastern England (e.g. Sussex):

Normandy :
http://datafile3.arkadia.com/pictures/properties/w480h480/2-2235716-220905263769228060.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Ferme_gonfreville_07_2005.jpg/800px-Ferme_gonfreville_07_2005.jpg

England:
http://www.expertagent.co.uk/in4glestates/{6fb76ccf-81f9-4839-b774-0a91ad3bb8ad}/{a3d63688-7c20-4f07-af5e-759463bc81da}/main/r0016384.jpg

Brick architecture (unplastered raw brick, that is) begins in Eastern Normandy, becomes overwhelmingly predominant in Picardy, Northern France, most of Belgium, the Netherlands, Northern Germany, Denmark, Southern Sweden (the former Danish provinces), and the Eastern half of England, i.e. the whole part of Europe that has been to seme extent influenced by the Flemish-Dutch-Hanseatic culture.

It is generally associated with those pantiles (called in French pannes flamandes = "Flemish panes"):

http://www.builderbill-diy-help.com/image-files/pantiles.jpg

They have been imitated in whole Scandinavia and Baltic countries (actually no other rooftiles are used there), and you often see them in East Anglia and Lincolnshire too.

Dilberth

04-20-2012, 10:12 PM

More hize:

http://www.kneginecka-hiza.com/SlikeWeb/01.jpg
http://www.osijek031.com/galerija/albums/userpics/10701/Picture%20002.jpg
http://s2.pticica.com/foto/0001243430_l_0_vr8n3g.jpg
http://www.osijek031.com/galerija/albums/userpics/10701/Picture%20025.jpg
http://d.imagehost.org/0827/DSC00961-1.jpg
http://d.imagehost.org/0381/DSC00958-1.jpg
http://d.imagehost.org/0077/DSC00962-1.jpg

Albion

04-20-2012, 10:40 PM

LOL, Mediterranean houses with British sawh-windows...

That pesky Portuguese anglomania?

Anglos are just more practical I suppose. ;) Our sash-windows don't blow off in a gale and don't extend out or in taking up space.
They also double up as a guillotine if you get any intruders. See? Practical.

Sadly most houses don't have windows like that any more. Someone should start offering double glazed versions.

In Northwestern Europe, brick architecture is derived from timber framing. At some point (17-18th centuries), for half-timbered houses builders began to substitute mud and straw with a more trustworthy filling material, i.e. bricks. The transition can be seen with those few examples:

I see. You seem to know a lot about architecture, thanks. :thumb001:

In the end, there was only brick.

Brick architecture (unplastered raw brick, that is) begins in Eastern Normandy, becomes overwhelmingly predominant in Picardy, Northern France, most of Belgium, the Netherlands, Northern Germany, Denmark, Southern Sweden (the former Danish provinces), and the Eastern half of England, i.e. the whole part of Europe that has been to seme extent influenced by the Flemish-Dutch-Hanseatic culture.

I did think such architecture was characteristic of NW Europe, I've never associated it with Sweden or Germany though.
Germany has those Dutch-looking towns in the North such as Lubeck, the Hanseatic towns I suppose. Outside of these I don't think non-rendered brick is all that common.

ficuscarica

04-30-2012, 07:15 PM

Nice old building in my village:
http://www.abload.de/img/img_041876uw9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_041876uw9.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0416v1ufr.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0416v1ufr.jpg)

ficuscarica

05-01-2012, 11:28 AM

Went for a little walk today. Houses in a nearby village:
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0545x5u99.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0545x5u99.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0536yvucz.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0536yvucz.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0558kzucw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0558kzucw.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0539ceue0.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0539ceue0.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0560n6uwb.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0560n6uwb.jpg)

OT: I also made some landscape pictures:
http://www.abload.de/img/img_04603ju7i.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_04603ju7i.jpg)

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 07:26 AM

Houses, from a walk yesterday afternoon:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_06040wehr.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_06040wehr.jpg)http://www.abload.de/img/img_0610iydes.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0610iydes.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_06465gchw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_06465gchw.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0707gcdsk.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0707gcdsk.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0705dzi1w.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0705dzi1w.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0694wdi2e.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0694wdi2e.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_058467iqe.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_058467iqe.jpg)

Please tell me if there is still interest in this thread. I will only post when people are interested, because it takes a lot of time.

Albion

05-02-2012, 11:02 AM

Please tell me if there is still interest in this thread. I will only post when people are interested, because it takes a lot of time.

I'm still interested. Your region looks to be a beautiful part of the world by the way.

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 11:41 AM

I'm still interested. Your region looks to be a beautiful part of the world by the way.

Thanks, that´s why I HATE it that lots of people from other parts of Germany but also from abroad move here and that industry is growing rapidly. For that reason I consider it only to be half my home, half an utterly disgusting sh!thole already. The beautiful houses and landscape is surrounded by ever-expanding cancer tumors of ugliness. :mad:
They are too graphic to even post them. ;)

I like the South-Central European regions with a submediterranean influence (here, Southern Rhine valley in general, Eastern Austria (around Hungarian border), Burgundy) most, as I feel most at home there. But the British Isles have some extraordinarily beautiful regions, too.
In the old part of our village you have a mix of timber-frame, other wood constructions and red sandstone (sometimes overpainted, though)

http://www.abload.de/img/img_0610lgdzs.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0610lgdzs.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0712bdi0o.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0712bdi0o.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0714nzfku.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0714nzfku.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_068908dtd.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_068908dtd.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0687opeyi.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0687opeyi.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0664etcpv.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0664etcpv.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0624oefmm.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0624oefmm.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0611gjflw.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0611gjflw.jpg)

A question, im some of the pics in this posting and the postings before it I almost get a med vibe (of course still Central European, just with some med influence). Do you agree?

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 11:56 AM

Plenty more coming soon. I was surprised to find so many beautiful motives in one village.

Padre Organtino

05-02-2012, 12:18 PM

IMO tradition Russian timber architecture is pretty cool and unique:

Famous Kizhi Church:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq18s8VFWH1r08p24o1_500.jpg

http://www.wayfaring.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/2kizhi_island31.jpg

(32 domed transfiguration Church).

Albion

05-02-2012, 12:48 PM

Thanks, that´s why I HATE it that lots of people from other parts of Germany but also from abroad move here and that industry is growing rapidly. For that reason I consider it only to be half my home, half an utterly disgusting sh!thole already. The beautiful houses and landscape is surrounded by ever-expanding cancer tumors of ugliness. :mad:
They are too graphic to even post them. ;)

Leliana said something like that too. Too much concrete and modern architecture? I know what you mean, I hate modern architectural styles today as well. They're cheap, flimsy and look very ugly.
Every modern architectural style that comes along ends up looking very bad in the decades afterwards. I really don't know why people can't learn to stick to tried and tested styles which have served our ancestors for centuries.

I like the South-Central European regions with a submediterranean influence (here, Southern Rhine valley in general, Eastern Austria (around Hungarian border), Burgundy) most, as I feel most at home there.

Yes, I notice that style extends into Austria, Switzerland, neighbouring areas of France and the Alpine areas of Italy.
There's always a degree of overlap between close regions in everything, not just architecture.

But the British Isles have some extraordinarily beautiful regions, too.

In England the north overlaps with Scotland, the south with areas of northern France and Belgium and East Anglia, Kent and the East Midlands show some Dutch influence in older architecture.

In the old part of our village you have a mix of timber-frame, other wood constructions and red sandstone (sometimes overpainted, though)

We have red sandstone around Chester and Wirral. Stone buildings aren't usually rendered or anything, stone is usually left exposed to the elements and tends to take on a more neutral colour as it ages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Nether_Alderley_Mill_2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Sandstone_Trail_Netherton.jpg

Around here we use Gritstone which is a tough sandstone found in the Pennines.

http://www.peakwalling.co.uk/images/gallery/store.jpg
This shed looks like it's dry stone. I would have used some cement really.

http://visionwild.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/barn-owl.jpg?w=480&h=320

A question, im some of the pics in this posting and the postings before it I almost get a med vibe (of course still Central European, just with some med influence). Do you agree?

Yes, the Med vibe is mostly from the landscape and street layout rather than the buildings though.

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 01:15 PM

Leliana said something like that too. Too much concrete and modern architecture? I know what you mean, I hate modern architectural styles today as well. They're cheap, flimsy and look very ugly.
Every modern architectural style that comes along ends up looking very bad in the decades afterwards. I really don't know why people can't learn to stick to tried and tested styles which have served our ancestors for centuries.

It is kind of ironic that people back in the 15th to 19th century, when most of these buildings were built, had much less money than people today. But at least they cared about what their village looks like. Nowadays, in a time where people live in their office, their car or in front of their flat screen they don´t seem to care about the reality outside their door anymore (except the areas where they spend their holidays, as this is the only time when they ever step out of their doors). I don´t have another explanation for people letting 90% of the landscape and buildings surrounding them become an utter offense to the eye.

Now we have about 50 years that have proven how almost exclusively disgustingly ugly "modern" architecture is. But people don´t learn. At least ugly-style is cheaper and that´s just fine in a time where quality in the essential aspects of life doesn´t mean anything (buy an expensive flat screen but eat crap food from the supermarket :thumb001: and live in an ugly sh!thole).

Albion

05-02-2012, 01:23 PM

It is kind of ironic that people back in the 15th to 19th century, when most of these buildings were built, had much less money than people today. But at least they cared about what their village looks like. Nowadays, in a time where people live in their office, their car or in front of their flat screen they don´t seem to care about the reality outside their door anymore (except the areas where they spend their holidays, as this is the only time when they ever step out of their doors). I don´t have another explanation for people letting 90% of the landscape and buildings surrounding them become an utter offense to the eye.

Now we have about 50 years that have proven how almost exclusively disgustingly ugly "modern" architecture is. But people don´t learn. At least ugly-style is cheaper and that´s just fine in a time where quality in the essential aspects of life doesn´t mean anything (buy an expensive flat screen but eat crap food from the supermarket :thumb001: and live in an ugly sh!thole).

Just think to yourself - all those cheap and nasty buildings they put up today will be torn down in 20 years.
I hope by then people have learnt to build properly again.

I've noticed that about people as well. There are a lot of houses with awful exteriors but which are very nice on the inside. It's daft though, why have a house looking like a dump on the outside? It makes you look bad.

Siegfried

05-02-2012, 01:27 PM

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 01:30 PM

more from yesterday´s walk....
http://www.abload.de/img/img_06022huan.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_06022huan.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_059795uet.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_059795uet.jpg)

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 01:40 PM

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 01:40 PM

One of my favourite pics from yesterday:
http://www.abload.de/img/img_05919pudd.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_05919pudd.jpg)

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 01:45 PM

http://www.abload.de/img/img_05927gu5v.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_05927gu5v.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0596lvu6k.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0596lvu6k.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_058704u8s.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_058704u8s.jpg)

Albion

05-02-2012, 09:19 PM

You guys ares so lucky: whilst you are surrounded daily by such great history and beautiful scenery, I have to rot in Canada where a historical monument is something 100 years old and the average house looks something like this:

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/3_bedroom_basement_apartment_95198896216709627.jpg

A lot of our houses go back a hundred years and are mixed in with modern ones. Older houses cost a lot more usually, the irony is some would have been occupied by peasants in the past and today are bought by upper middle class people for a heck of a lot of money.

The age of buildings varies by area. Some towns are dominated by awful 1920s houses and have no history whatsoever but there's always something around which has some age to it.
The oldest architecture in my town is a bronze age burial mound with a very nice view. It's exposed now so you can see the stones and everything.
My town was described as a "wasteland" in the Norman "Doomsday book", much of it was forested or overgrazed heathland at the time. :p

Can't wait till I leave this country.

Don't say that, Canada is nice and the Maritimes have a lot of history. Where are you going?

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 09:45 PM

More from yesterday...
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0639u8rpe.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0639u8rpe.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0640rbp8i.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0640rbp8i.jpg)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_0641itou7.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0641itou7.jpg)

Albion

05-02-2012, 09:55 PM

A few of those houses look quite new, do they still build houses like that in Baden Ficus?
Here there's a lot of mock Tudor houses which look okay but nothing like the real thing and have no character.
I think modern houses here would do better to follow Georgian styles - simple, clean and pleasant to look at. Trying to simply emulate elaborate Tudor designs was never going to work.
I think our houses today are more like those in the Netherlands - small. :rolleyes:

The modern mock Tudor houses:

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/12213/wm/pd359683.jpg

http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/12213/wm/pd359682.jpg

A slightly better one:

http://www.jjohansson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mocktudor1.jpg

It doesn't help that the wood looks new - they could have made it look aged before using it.

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 09:59 PM

@Albion: The wood will age early enough. Still better than many modern houses.

Those houses (you´re probably referring to the second pic of my last posting) are very old, I guess more than 100 years at least. But they are overpainted. The other houses on this page are from the very core of our village which is proven to be about 1400 years old, most likely even much older. They are probably at least some centuries old.

You don´t wanna know how most new houses in Baden look....

Albion

05-02-2012, 10:17 PM

@Albion: The wood will age early enough. Still better than many modern houses.

I suppose.

Those houses (you´re probably referring to the second pic of my last posting) are very old, I guess more than 100 years at least. But they are overpainted. The other houses on this page are from the very core of our village which is proven to be about 1400 years old, most likely even much older. They are probably at least some centuries old.

The oldest buildings in my actual town are the churches which are around 1100 AD-ish. Outside of town the villages are much older.

You don´t wanna know how most new houses in Baden look....

Yes I do. :D They can't be worse than ours.

ficuscarica

05-02-2012, 10:42 PM

Graphic pics deleted.

Graham

05-07-2012, 01:56 PM

Albion

08-05-2012, 04:12 PM

Modern Longhouse Found mainly on the Western Isles.

http://www.bustler.net/images/news2/riba_manser_medal_2011_longlist_10.jpghttp://www.hebrideanhomes.com/slideshow_imgs/thumb/2_lh302p_962x438dornie~0.jpghttp://cdni.condenast.co.uk/646x430/s_v/scottish_retreats02_CNT_06Sep11_pr_b.jpghttp://www.ads.org.uk/resource_files/access/hus5.jpghttp://www.hebrideanhomes.com/slideshow_imgs/thumb/lh402ptc962x438~0.jpg

Shetland and Orkney seem to be in love with Scandinavian flat-pack houses. Have they caught on in mainland Scotland?
I think in England they're treated with suspicion, people think they won't last and will go rotten because of all the rain. They might be right. :p
We overwhelmingly make our houses out of bricks still.

Graham

08-06-2012, 08:57 PM

Shetland and Orkney seem to be in love with Scandinavian flat-pack houses. Have they caught on in mainland Scotland?
I think in England they're treated with suspicion, people think they won't last and will go rotten because of all the rain. They might be right. :p
We overwhelmingly make our houses out of bricks still.

In the most rural parts of the mainland.

Most new homes are like this. Sometimes I go out and help my dad on the sites. (He's a joiner)

New Housing around £250 000. New homes are getting bigger and better.

http://www.cala.co.uk/partexchange/images/uploads/prop_755.jpghttp://www.taylorwimpey.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/E7BFE539-B796-4A36-8182-D6EE6C50FB16/134434/DulochGrange3.JPGhttp://media.rightmove.co.uk/5k/4948/23214705/4948_LIE120186_IMG_00_0000_max_620x414.JPGhttp://media.rightmove.co.uk/33k/32343/34643386/32343_FD_IMG_03_0000_max_620x414.jpghttp://media.rightmove.co.uk/33k/32343/35232079/32343_cx_IMG_00_0000_max_620x414.jpghttp://media.rightmove.co.uk/51k/50946/31455232/50946_710810031856_IMG_00_0001.jpg

Atlantic Islander

01-10-2014, 05:07 AM

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Atlantic Islander

01-10-2014, 05:09 AM

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LOL, Mediterranean houses with British sawh-windows...

That pesky Portuguese anglomania?

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rw7s6f.jpg

A dick even back then?

No, not obsessed with Anglo-whatever. Why would isolated people in the middle of the North Atlantic be obsessed with Anglo things? How stupid.

Atlantic Islander

01-10-2014, 05:44 AM

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