Faces of Istria.

[derLowe]

I found this in a old book.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22921&stc=1&d=1334504105

[derLowe]

Updated, I don't know why it was not showing initially.

[Hurrem sultana]

they look so "strange"

they would never pass in Bosnia,so close yet so far :D italian look

[Dilberth]

they look so "strange"

they would never pass in Bosnia,so close yet so far :D italian look

Most of them are from mixed cities of Western Istria, mix of Italian,or mix of various Balkan nations(bosnians involved;).I posted pics of Ethnic Croats from Istria on Pictures of Croats thread,they look nothing like those people.
Someone named Maurizio Jovanovic is not Croat.

[derLowe]

Most of them are not from mixed cities of Western Istria, mix of Italian,or mix of various Balkan nations(bosnians involved;).I posted pics of Ethnic Croats from Istria on Pictures of Croats thread,they look nothing like those people.
Someone named Maurizio Jovanovic is not Croat.

My father commented on this photo that the people photographed seem like farm folk from the rural areas.

[Dilberth]

Yes farm folk colonized from Sicily

[brunette]

Most of them are not from mixed cities of Western Istria, mix of Italian,or mix of various Balkan nations(bosnians involved;).I posted pics of Ethnic Croats from Istria on Pictures of Croats thread,they look nothing like those people.
Someone named Maurizio Jovanovic is not Croat.

Yes does it not include Slovenians...?

[Peyrol]

they look so "strange"

they would never pass in Bosnia,so close yet so far :D italian look

80% of italian istriots leaved the region between 1945-1955.

[derLowe]

Yes farm folk colonized from Sicily

Among many others too, Istra changed hands many times. The main owners were Venice and Austria so it stands to reason some of their peoples genetic heritage will still be in the area.

[derLowe]

Yes does it not include Slovenians...?

There are some Slovenians there too.

[Peyrol]

Most of them are not from mixed cities of Western Istria, mix of Italian,or mix of various Balkan nations(bosnians involved;).I posted pics of Ethnic Croats from Istria on Pictures of Croats thread,they look nothing like those people.
Someone named Maurizio Jovanovic is not Croat.

Surnames like these are the slavicized italian surnames (like "Giovanardi, Giovannini, etc), which were adopted by many remnants italian after the exodus and were converted by Josip Broz in the equivalent slav meaning.

[brunette]

Slovenians and Serbians not just Croats.

[Duke]

Surnames like these are the slavicized italian surnames (like "Giovanardi, Giovannini, etc), which were adopted by many remnants italian after the exodus and were converted by Josip Broz in the equivalent slav meaning.

yes we dont have name Jovan, like serbs do, we have Ivan instead, croatian name would be Ivanović, in this case i think its more probable it is of italian origin, and not serb one.

[derLowe]

Slovenians and Serbians not just Croats.

Some shifts in Istra's ethnicity.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22922&stc=1&d=1334505793

[brunette]

What's that? ^

[Peyrol]

What about istroromanians?

[derLowe]

What's that? ^

That was me not labeling things properly.

[Duke]

What about istroromanians?

not much of them, they are in few villages, however i wonted to add on my previus post, Itallians also italianized people, so they guy ancestors could have been Ivanović at some poit in the past, changed to Giovanini at some point of Italianization, and then revert back to Jovanović.

History of Istra is very complex.

[derLowe]

What about istroromanians?

Data on them is scare. It is like they been suppressed from history, perhaps intentionally.

[brunette]

Yeah what about Romanians too...That's a point that's the population of Croats in Italy compared with other Yugoslavics like Slovenians and Serbians

[Duke]

Data on them is scare. It is like they been suppressed from history, perhaps intentionally.

No there werent, they are Croats now, but we call them Ćići, they still preserve language, customs and everything.

[brunette]

Data on them is scare. It is like they been suppressed from history, perhaps intentionally.

Alright.

[Peyrol]

not much of them, they are in few villages, however i wonted to add on my previus post, Itallians also italianized people, so they guy ancestors could have been Ivanović at some poit in the past, changed to Giovanini at some point of Italianization, and then revert back to Jovanović.

History of Istra is very complex.

Could be too, but Maurizio is a italian name.

[Duke]

Could be too, but Maurizio is a italian name.

yes it is, so i said its most probable he is of Italian origin, if there is such a thing, maybe better say Venetian :P

[derLowe]

No there werent, they are Croats now, but we call them Ćići, they still preserve language, customs and everything.

So in the national census they put them selves in as Croats although them being a people with different customs language ect?


PS:I am not picking a fight.

[Peyrol]

yes it is, so i said its most probable he is of Italian origin, if there is such a thing, maybe better say Venetian :P

Exactly: old stock "italian" istriots (Pola, Laurana/Lovran, Fiume/Rijeka, Veglia/Krk, etc) were of venetian/forlan heritage.

But Mussolini sent also southerner (sicilian, calabrese, etc) colonists and the D'Annunzio's volunteers were mostly from Lombardy or central Italy.

[Duke]

So in the national census they put them selves in as Croats although them being a people with different customs language ect?


PS:I am not picking a fight.

yes, like that.

However their customs are not much different, more like variation of their own, for instance on festivities

Istro romanians
http://www.hr-rukomet.hr/slike/f7631aecab125fa9e1e4aa7dcf733f5f.jpg

Croats
http://www.rta.hr/universalis/583/slika/zvoncari_201742229.jpg


difference is just in decoration :D

[Peyrol]

Is the surname "Kocijan" croat or slovenian?

Because many istriots here in my city, both of italian and slavic descents, have this strange surname.

[Duke]

Is the surname "Kocijan" croat or slovenian?

Because many istriots here in my city, both of italian and slavic descents, have this strange surname.

Croat

[Rastko]

Is the surname "Kocijan" croat or slovenian?

Because many istriots here in my city, both of italian and slavic descents, have this strange surname.

Croatian Kocijans are from Zagorje.

[Peyrol]

Croat

Very helpful, Duke. I've searched about this surname a lot. Also one my venetian ancestor (1700 c.a.) had this surname.

It's funny seeing many people of istrian descents here (Torino) claiming "100% venetic heritage" when they've surnames like this or Mazdarovic, Duskovic, etc :D

[Duke]

Very helpful, Duke. I've searched about this surname a lot. Also one my venetian ancestor (1700 c.a.) had this surname.

It's funny seeing many people of istrian descents here (Torino) claiming "100% venetic heritage" when they've surnames like this or Mazdarovic, Duskovic, etc :D

:D

well as i said, history of Istria and i guess Venetia is lot complex, it has been melting pot for centuries

[derLowe]

:D

well as i said, history of Istria and i guess Venetia is lot complex, it has been melting pot for centuries

Yes it is a fascinating area, I love reading about it.

[Peyrol]

:D

well as i said, history of Istria and i guess Venetia is lot complex, it has been melting pot for centuries

Yes, many people lived there; istrian (but also dalmatian) cultural stratification is comparable with Sicily or Malta.

[Duke]

Yes, many people lived there; istrian (but also dalmatian) cultural stratification is comparable with Sicily or Malta.

not much in Dalmatia tho, it was unsafe for ordinary Venetians to move there since it was bordering ottomans, and had constant fighting, raiding...etc.

[Peyrol]

not much in Dalmatia tho, it was unsafe for ordinary Venetians to move there since it was bordering ottomans, and had constant fighting, raiding...etc.

True: the only consistend venetian settlements (wich are also visible in the architecture) were in Zadar/Zara and Spalato/Split.

[Rastko]

True: the only consistend venetian settlements (wich are also visible in the architecture) were in Zadar/Zara and Spalato/Split.

Split?

Architecture in Split is not really Venetian.

Korkyra(Korčula) is Venetian.

[Duke]

True: the only consistend venetian settlements (wich are also visible in the architecture) were in Zadar/Zara and Spalato/Split.

well, Zadar mostly had venetian nobles in there, not people, and in terms of architcture, well itallians designed half of Europe.
Its mostly few prominent structures, while houses of stone, the ordinary hauses are of our style.

Zadar was not safe, actually its souroundings was a war zone most of the time, since area around zadar is plain, unlike most of the Dalmatia wich is mountainous

So i dont think if you were ordinary man, you would take your wife and children and move into war zone

[Dilberth]

Back on topic:

http://www.tulumarka.com/images/tulumgallery/2012/04/15/1334504276_6e9526558e5db106003e8c958eca6a5b_600tul umgallery.jpg
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg818/scaled.php?server=818&filename=img0001lo.jpg&res=landing
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg821/scaled.php?server=821&filename=img0003sp.jpg&res=landing
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg96/scaled.php?server=96&filename=img6386q.jpg&res=landing
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg816/scaled.php?server=816&filename=img6669h.jpg&res=landing

[dralos]

lol istrians are blonder then swedes:D,are those cherries tasty dilberth:D

[Dilberth]

What can I say?Haters gonna hate.

[derLowe]

Football club Istra

http://www.nkistra.hr/images/morfeoshow/vremeplov-6653/big/Copyofimg_1235655575_566_lg.jpg?rand=264310135


http://www.nkistra.hr/images/morfeoshow/vremeplov-6653/big/img_1235655593_825_lg.jpg?rand=383983844

http://www.nkistra.hr/images/morfeoshow/vremeplov-6653/big/img_1235655601_851_lg.jpg?rand=759982814

http://www.nkistra.hr/images/morfeoshow/vremeplov-6653/big/img_1235655613_513_lg.jpg?rand=870433071

http://www.nkistra.hr/images/morfeoshow/vremeplov-6653/big/img_1235655801_229_lg.jpg?rand=301256287

[Dilberth]

http://www.nk-opatija.com.hr/slike/2012/seniori12.jpg
http://www.nk-opatija.com.hr/slike/2012/kadeti12.jpg
http://www.nk-opatija.com.hr/slike/2012/spioniri12.jpg
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/stariji-pioniri.jpg
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/juniori.jpg
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/juniori2.jpghttp://
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/kadeti2.jpg
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/hnkrijeka-pioniri2.jpg
http://www.nk-rijeka.hr/sites/project.ohkr.ru/files/cr-collections/2/hnkrijeka-morcici.jpg

[derLowe]

Opatija is a interesting place. It is my understandings that there is a strong German/Austrian genetic heritage in Opatija considering what the town was under the Austrian Empire.