French presidential elections 22 april

[gandalf]

So let's start talking about this event witch could be surprising .

The pools are giving liberal Sarkosy and socialist Hollande qualified
for the final round .

Actually they are both liberals , immigrationists , with only minor differences .

The third is said to be Marine Le Pen , nationalist-populist ,
so not qualified .

But a lot of people think that the polls are deliberatly biased
and Marine is much higher in reality .
Recent pools give very high % for some categories :
26% in the 18-24 years old
36% for the manual workers , etc .

So the surprise could be Marine qualified for the second round
instead of Sarkosy .

What do you think ?
Let's make this thread alive for some weeks ,
to talk about something witch could be important for all Europe .

[Vasconcelos]

I honestly think that even if Le Pen manages to the second round, she won't stand much of a chance to actually win the elections. Personally I feel that the race is just between Hollande and Sarkozy, even if one fails go get to the second round..

[gandalf]

If she reaches the second round against Hollande
the UMP will go in turmoil because a good % will vote for her ,
and if she reaches something around 40%
this will have a major impact on the following parliament elections
because those who vote for her are people who are OUT of the Matrice .
They will not go back .

This could be a major change into the french political map .

Nation against Mondialism .

[gandalf]

A speach of Marine in a little village 30 km away from where I live .

For those who can't hear french , it is an occasion to have an antropological study ...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq13ml_discours-de-marine-lepen-a-brachay-haute-marne_news

[Libertas]

France is ever nearer to a neo-African future whether Sarkozy wins or not.

[Onur]

I think the biggest hurdle for Marine Le Pen will be the first round and i am quite positive about her in the 2nd round if she can pass Sarkozy in the first because probably some/most of the Sarkozy supporters would vote for her instead of Hollande.

I cant believe that the presidential race in France are between two globalist cabals, ex-jew neo-Frenchies who pretend to be Napoleon. I mean, whats the difference between Hollande and Sarkozy? Both are same.

[gandalf]

Onur

"I cant believe that the presidential race in France are between two globalist cabals, ex-jew neo-Frenchies who pretend to be Napoleon. I mean, whats the difference between Hollande and Sarkozy? Both are same."

It is the same faulse choice in most of west europe .

[Arrow Cross]

Same filth, different wrappings indeed, those two.

However, as a French national, what do you think of Marine Le Pen's policies regarding ethnic identity, Jews, homosexuals, etc.? Her father was a widely respected figure in the eyes of the European far-right, but it would appear his daughter is swinging the movement into a direction of philo-Semitism and anti-racism.

Are such trends genuine, or simply publicity stunts to win votes? Infiltration and watering-up is an ever-looming danger.

[gandalf]

For all the populist mouvement of Europe
jews and Israël are not the ennemy .

And more and more jews understand our common interests .

[Ouistreham]

I don't think Marine will get more than 17% of the votes.

But on a longer term she is propelled by positive mega-trends.

Her supporters
- are the youngest voters,
- are predominant in the working class,
(which is all the more remarkable since in both groups 15 to 20% are from immigrant and/or Muslim backgrounds)
- have more sex,
- are the ones who most rely on the internet for the news,
- are the most worried by the impending economic collapse.

[gandalf]

It appeared from someone well informed
that polls are systematically biased toward Marine's scores .

The raw datas give her at the same level or higher than Sarkosy ,
but they are decreased to 15-17% for the final delivery .

Sunday 22 will tell the truth , but if your predictions become thruth
Ouistreham then ... french people need and will have to suffer more .

No pity for the cowards or the fools ,

and our fight will go on until the victory witch is certain .

Everything in the reality work for the final french rebirth ,

even if the Matrice tries to mask the reality .

[Tony]

Since Melenchon and Marine have no chances I really hope Holland wins so Germany is gonna got isolated and will be forced to accept €bonds.

We're literally dying here, € is too strong, our debt since 2002 have multiplied 3 fold due to the uberstrenght of the new currency, we can't go on much longer I think.

[gandalf]

Discution about a pool in febuary
where people with a job give Marine just after Hollande
and people who are not into unions give her at the first place .

http://youtu.be/rN5ynJBd4k8

[Ouistreham]

Since Melenchon and Marine have no chances I really hope Holland wins so Germany is gonna got isolated and will be forced to accept €bonds.

We're literally dying here, € is too strong, our debt since 2002 have multiplied 3 fold due to the uberstrenght of the new currency, we can't go on much longer I think.

What do you believe?

There is strictly not the slightest difference to expect between Hollande and Sarkozy. Both are controlled by the same pressure groups, both are surrounded by counsellors who are members of the French American Foundation.

Both are neither conservative nor socialist, they are part of one system.

This election is a staged farce.

[Tony]

What do you believe?

There is strictly not the slightest difference to expect between Hollande and Sarkozy. Both are controlled by the same pressure groups, both are surrounded by counsellors who are members of the French American Foundation.

Both are neither conservative nor socialist, they are part of one system.

This election is a staged farce.

I don't think so.
As regard to the construction and betterin of the monetary system the socialists, the greens and the progressives are generally more favourable to €bonds and for a real monetary union, both fiscal and debt, while those who oppose the most are liberal and conservatives, especially in Germany.

If Holland wins I think we're gonna have them very soon.
Also France would gain from them.

[Ouistreham]

I don't think so.
As regard to the construction and betterin of the monetary system the socialists, the greens and the progressives are generally more favourable to €bonds and for a real monetary union, both fiscal and debt, while those who oppose the most are liberal and conservatives, especially in Germany.

If Holland wins I think we're gonna have them very soon.
Also France would gain from them.

As if the EU and the Euro conundrum could be cured...

No way!

As far as I am concerned I am going to vote in the second round for Hollande (if Marine doesn't make it), for mere tactical reasons: because Hollande as President will bring us nearer to a situation where the Nationalists are the only opposition.

Top priority is to torpedo Sarkozy and his croonies.

[gandalf]

Agree with Ouistreham ,

but I won't go as far as voting for Holland ,
il Marine is not at the second round
I will vote "white" and this color suits me fine !
(Blank in english )

[gandalf]

An amazing result of 36% for Marine of an internet pool .

http://www.juif.org/go-blogs-42261.php

http://www.europe-israel.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/sondage-au-20-avril-2012.jpg

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[Graham]

French Socialist Francois Hollande has won most votes in the first round of the country's presidential election, early estimates say.

He got about 28% of votes, according to projections based on partial results, against about 26% for centre-right incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy.

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen came third with almost 20%

Very high turnout of 80%

[microrobert]

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/726336AFrenchfarce.jpg

[gandalf]

Bon , après mûre réflexion , pour le deuxième tour

je ne vote pas blanc , je vote Sarkozy .

Hollande est le candidat des mosquées .

Sarko malgré ses résultats pitoyables a quand même contribué dès 2007

a populariser le politiquement incorrect , puisqu'il s'est fait élire

en empruntant le langage du FN .

Bref , pas de politique du pire (voter Hollande ou s'abstenir ) pour moi .

[Onur]

Bon , après mûre réflexion , pour le deuxième tour

je ne vote pas blanc , je vote Sarkozy .

Hollande est le candidat des mosquées .

Sarko malgré ses résultats pitoyables a quand même contribué dès 2007

a populariser le politiquement incorrect , puisqu'il s'est fait élire

en empruntant le langage du FN .

Bref , pas de politique du pire (voter Hollande ou s'abstenir ) pour moi .
Alors, on peut dire que la dernier rhetorique de Sarkozy est vraiment utile :)


Il y a aucun difference entre Hollande et Sarkozy. Ils sont meme, comme Marine Le Pen a dit. Seulement, Hollande ameliorait son rhetoric pour les immigrants mais Sarkozy viser les peuples comme toi. C`est un politique, rien d`autre.

[Hurrem sultana]

so what do the polls say now? who is leading?

[memobekes]

i hope that sarkozy is shown the door on May 6. he's a scumbag.

[gandalf]

The polls are giving Hollande winner ...

anyway we'll see what happens , and to dedramatize : they are not that different ,

as a lot have noticed .

[Hurrem sultana]

I hope Hollande is going to win

[Albion]

Crap. Just as the rest of Europe swings to the right the French decide they want to go left instead. :rolleyes:

Hollande worries me quite a bit, he's presented in a good light here but some of his policies are bad.
I want Marine to win but I doubt it will happen, Hollande will probably win. The situation is pretty bad when it's between someone like Hollande or Sarkozy.

We have a saying here - better the enemy you know than the one you don't. Well that basically sums up my thoughts on Sarkozy.

[Mraz]

I believe Sarkozy will win, Hollande looks weak, nobody want a weak president.

[ethnopluralist]

I hope Hollande is going to win

Why, would you want such a thing, or are you hoping that the far right will be more energized the next time around, if Hollande wins.

[antonio]

I believe Sarkozy will win, Hollande looks weak, nobody want a weak president.

Sarkozy strongness is too much just a facade.

Albion: Europe is not turning right at all: Centre-right is falling to the floor. At Spain people's opinion has turned dramatically from the Centre-right absolute electoral victory 4 months ago. In fact new premier is yet hated more than former one, leftist Zapatero. And who can blame them? Rajoy is just a fucking coward and a lier. :coffee:

[Vasconcelos]

Sarkozy strongness is too much just a facade.

Albion: Europe is not turning right at all: Centre-right is falling to the floor. At Spain people's opinion has turned dramatically from the Centre-right absolute electoral victory 4 months ago. In fact new premier is yet hated more than former one, leftist Zapatero. And who can blame them? Rajoy is just a fucking coward and a lier. :coffee:

You have to be a liar to get to that position :p

[gandalf]

I hope Hollande is going to win

This is not surprising , Mosques have called for Hollande ,

you are muslim . :eek:

[antonio]

You have to be a liar to get to that position :p

But Rajoy and his team are breaking the marks at record time. You wouldnt believe, Im really shocked for the amount of lies and the outrageous of some of their measures.

[Tony]

Bon , après mûre réflexion , pour le deuxième tour

je ne vote pas blanc , je vote Sarkozy .

Hollande est le candidat des mosquées .

Sarko malgré ses résultats pitoyables a quand même contribué dès 2007

a populariser le politiquement incorrect , puisqu'il s'est fait élire

en empruntant le langage du FN .

Bref , pas de politique du pire (voter Hollande ou s'abstenir ) pour moi .
Sarkozy est un des plus gran merdons du monde.

He's a jew, married to a jew, a nepotist, a selloff to Angela Merdel, on immigration and multiracialism he said everythin and the contrary of everyhting, what's more?

If I were a French I'd vote, holding my nose and every other orifice I have, Hollande, he's already said that is willin to renegotiate the fiscal compact and add to the European policy one for the growth, that's what we desperately need.

Moreover if Sarko loses, the centreright in France will turn onto Front National, sooner or later UMP is gonna come to terms with Marine Le Pen and far right.

[Albion]

Sarkozy strongness is too much just a facade.

Albion: Europe is not turning right at all: Centre-right is falling to the floor. At Spain people's opinion has turned dramatically from the Centre-right absolute electoral victory 4 months ago. In fact new premier is yet hated more than former one, leftist Zapatero. And who can blame them? Rajoy is just a fucking coward and a lier. :coffee:

Spain is one country.

[European Loyalist]

I would add that Spain is mostly moving economically to the left, not really socially/culturally.

[Mraz]

Sarkozy strongness is too much just a facade.


I know, but none can take Hollande seriously, he is yelling when he speaks and
you see that he is fucking acting, Sarkozy has better skills, I consider those 2 candidates as Grave digger of France anyway.

[antonio]

I would add that Spain is mostly moving economically to the left, not really socially/culturally.

Indeed, but when you feel Right (in this case) is stolen you (even by indirect means like a ultragenerous fiscal amnesty, a big LOL in the face of the ones who pay taxes) it's hard for Spanish people to separate facets, here Right and Left are two monolitical blocks which sell themselves as a whole. I suppose is hard to believe in a somewhat developed and culturized country but, believe me, it's true.

In other countries, well, the soon-to-be paneuropean failure of market deregulations, of economical liberalism, to be accounted by billions, for example, into the rescue of Spain banks, has forcefully end in a resurection of Socialdemocracy to form a new European bipartidism with Nationalist Right and the ultimate disreputation of Liberal Right as the bunch of thieves (by action in Southern Europe, by omision in Northern) they've became on these last decades.

[Hess]

or are you hoping that the far right will be more energized the next time around, if Hollande wins.

That's what I'm hoping for.


Sarkozy has proposed some right leaning policies; his win in 2012 would take a lot of steam out of French Nationalist fervor.

Hollande's win, on the other hand, would polarize the French Political Climate more and give Marine Le Pen a solid base 5 years from now.

[Rouxinol]

Either Sarkozy or Hollande will keep France open to immigration. So, as long as Europeans are concerned, the fall of Sarkozy, hopefully followed by the fall of the French subservience to Germany (nicknamed Merkozy), is what is best.

[Albion]

I would add that Spain is mostly moving economically to the left, not really socially/culturally.

No! We're economically left in Britain - free market capitalism, Anglo-Saxon capitalism do nobody any favours - it just leaves your economy open to be raped by the stock exchanges and foreign companies.

Most countries with the "Anglo-Saxon" capitalist model are doing shit - America, Britain, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Greece.
The only ones doing better are Australia, Canada and Denmark and that's largely due to luck and resources (in Australia's case).

A degree of protection is needed which is why Rhine capitalism is better. Anglo-Saxon capitalism is better at making jobs in the good times but is boom and bust every few years.
Rhine capitalism isn't as good at making jobs but is more stable and doesn't go through the boom and bust cycles as easily as Anglo-Saxon.

[antonio]

Global free market is indeed a nasty thing promoted by Anglosaxon economists and politicians and blindly following by others like the pseudo-French (not only for being Hungarian) Sarkozy. Some degree of taxes on international commerce is a fair healthy thing, so obvious for all but these economist and politicians sold to modern capitalism interest.

[Albion]

Global free market is indeed a nasty thing promoted by Anglosaxon economists and politicians and blindly following by others like the pseudo-French (not only for being Hungarian) Sarkozy. Some degree of taxes on international commerce is a fair healthy thing, so obvious for all but these economist and politicians sold to modern capitalism interest.

Agreed. Even where cost is an issue we have poorer areas of our own countries or poorer areas of Europe which need the work without buying everything from China.

[antonio]

Seems that most relevant economic journals around the world are making a orquestrated effort to put Hollande down basically for being not an economical ultraliberal as current dogmas say.

Ps. So it's getting quite clear who is the better here.

[Tel Errant]

Seems that most relevant economic journals around the world are making a orquestrated effort to put Hollande down basically for being not an economical ultraliberal as current dogmas say.

Ps. So it's getting quite clear who is the better here.

Sarkozy is the better, by far. France has too many civil servants, a high public spending financed by debt, and the heaviest taxation in Europe. Hollande wants to increase all three, Sarkozy to lower them.
And as a bonus Hollande promised to give the right to vote to foreigners at local elections...:icon_rolleyes:

[antonio]

Sarkozy is the better, by far. France has too many civil servants, a high public spending financed by debt, and the heaviest taxation in Europe. Hollande wants to increase all three, Sarkozy to lower them.


Unfair to read this. Albeit being a public servant myself, Im not a big fan of Spanish system of public administration, but, probably due to my biased views on France (la grandeur and things like this), Id always want to believe French public sector was sustainable. Wishful thinking I know just taking into account is was the model from where Spanish parasitarial one was once derived. Even so, you probably acknowledge, that the Republique grandeur is like an emanation of its expensive public sector, or at least, is a consequence of it.



And as a bonus Hollande promised to give the right to vote to foreigners at local elections...:icon_rolleyes:

A negative surprise, but more about FN that PSF, at the end a Euro Socialdem party. In fact, on this new data, I dont understand Le Pen neutrality. Do you? What's more important and definitory than this for a supposedly nationalist party?

[Tel Errant]

Unfair to read this. Albeit being a public servant myself, Im not a big fan of Spanish system of public administration, but, probably due to my biased views on France (la grandeur and things like this), Id always want to believe French public sector was sustainable. Wishful thinking I know just taking into account is was the model from where Spanish parasitarial one was once derived. Even so, you probably acknowledge, that the Republique grandeur is like an emanation of its expensive public sector, or at least, is a consequence of it.
Yes, but in this time of generalised crisis we need to cut costs and seek more efficiency. Example: The biggest part of the public servants work in the education system, prof, nurse, psy, supervisors, etc. Professors in France have an obligation of 18 hours/week of presence at school, the other 17 hours (correcting student copies, preparing lessons...) is counted as home works. Sarko wants them to spend more time at school to help the students in difficulty and to reduce their numbers by not replacing 1 on 2 retirees, Hollande wants to hire 60000 new profs in case he's elected. The rest of the education personnel is also mostly unnecessary in most case.
As for the rest of the administrations, too many parasitism, they've got to go back to work.



A negative surprise, but more about FN that PSF, at the end a Euro Socialdem party. In fact, on this new data, I dont understand Le Pen neutrality. Do you?
What's more important and definitory than this for a supposedly nationalist party?
Le Pen hopes that Sarko's UMP explode after his defeat, so that the FN can be at the center of a new conservative right wing party. That's why she worked so hard at the normalisation and dediabolisation of the FN. She also hates Sarko for having stolen many votes to the FN in the past when he adopted a more conservative posture and said that he had killed the far right.

[Vasconcelos]

And as expected, François Hollande won!

[ficuscarica]

Crap. Just as the rest of Europe swings to the right the French decide they want to go left instead. :rolleyes:



Sarkozy is only a pseudo-conservative leftist, just as Merkel. Look what their countries have become... all major parties belong to one big, stinking "stew" of uniform leftist positions, even the so called right. What would have been regarded as normal, healthy-minded conservative party twenty or thirty years ago, is now labelled as ultra-right by these traitors. The islamization of Europe is advancing rapidily and they are tricking people by saying they are conservative and the others are facists, when in fact their fruit shows that they are absolutely not conservative...

Le Pen is the only hope for France.

[Rereg]

And as expected, François Hollande won!

It's success for Europe and tragedy for France.

[ficuscarica]

And as expected, François Hollande won!

Yep, that´s their perverse tactic. Take enough immigrants in to overvote the indigenous population and then say that the people voted for their downfall.

[rashka]

I hope Hollande is not another Chirac. Chirac is the one who ruined France. Sarkozy was a good president.

[Vasconcelos]

Sarkozy was a good president.

He was also Merkel's lapdog.

[Rouxinol]

There were only foreign flags (North Africa, Middle East, West Africa...) waving at Hollande's victory speech at Place da la Bastille. I barely saw any French flag... :eek:

[rashka]

There must have been some fraud at the elections.

[Riki]

He was also Merkel's lapdog.

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel invited French President-elect Francois Hollande to visit Berlin as soon he can for a first meeting that will set the groundwork for a consensus on growth policies vital to the euro zone's future health."

Do you actually think he is going to change anything?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Farewell Sarkozy; the man who presided over France's decline in the young 21st century

http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110410&t=2&i=383885082&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-04-10T205945Z_01_BTRE7391M9Y00_RTROPTP_0_JAPAN-SARKOZY

...and hello Hollande! You've yet to be tested but your desired policies don't seem they will bode well for ethnic French...

http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2012/05/blogs/elysee/hollande595.jpg

[Hess]

The people who are touting this election as a victory of Socialism over Capitalism need a reality check; fact is, Sarkozy was no friend (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-6147148.html) of the Free (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26481) Market (http://reason.com/blog/2009/01/09/sarkozy-on-our-immoral-system)

[microrobert]

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[microrobert]

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[Albion]

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http://www.dreuz.info/wp-content/uploads/Hollande-Pr%C3%A9sident-Islam.jpg

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You've got to be frickin' kidding me... :mad: It's pretty clear what their intentions are!

[microrobert]

Victoire de Hollande. À la Bastille, une France “black-blanc-beur”


http://presidentielle2012.ouest-france.fr/sites/presidentielle2012.ouest-france.fr/files/imagecache/detail_680x345/2012/05/06/FRANCE2012-ELECT_59.jpg

Victoire de Hollande. À la Bastille, une France (http://presidentielle2012.ouest-france.fr/actualite/la-bastille-une-france-black-blanc-beur-06-05-2012-1579)

[Hurrem sultana]

hahahah so Hollande is an immigrant lover? :D

[Contra Mundum]

Time to end the EU and seal off the borders around France. If the French want more niggers and Muslims, so be it, but at least prevent them from entering neighboring countries in large numbers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Breivik type taking revenge against the Socialists.

[Rereg]

Do you actually think he is going to change anything?

I hope that french foreign policy will be better, Hollande is euroscepticist politician and I suppose he will not be corrupt pro-german clown just like Sarko. :thumb001:

Obviously his pro-immigrants views are terrible.

[Ouistreham]

The people who are touting this election as a victory of Socialism over Capitalism need a reality check; fact is, Sarkozy was no friend (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-6147148.html) of the Free (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26481) Market (http://reason.com/blog/2009/01/09/sarkozy-on-our-immoral-system)

Most stupid comment ever!

- As a member of the EU, the French state cannot have any role in the economy (nor in any other field). 90% of all laws and regulations are passed in Brussels by the European Commission.
- Being part of the Euro-zone, France belong to the world's most unprotected economic region (whereas UK still have some margin of autonomy since they still can manage their own currency).
- Furthermore, while countries like Italy and to some extent Germany still rely on unofficial protectionist policies, France is the world's most open economy with the largest stock of direct foreign investment at home, as a recipient, and abroad (second only to the US of A):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2198rank.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2199rank.html

I have a feeling that for the US State propaganda, "free market economy" = "under Goldman-Sachs control".

Comparing Hollande and Sarkozy is futile. Technically there cannot be the slightest difference between them. Just two faces of the same globalist one-world evil.


If the French want more niggers and Muslims, so be it, but at least prevent them from entering neighboring countries in large numbers.

You know what? The French government has been repeatedly summoned by the EU authorities because of our alleged "immigrant-unfriendly" policies!

Oh, and last year the Berlusconi govt in Italy (and especially the Lega Nord) called for a boycott of French goods because they thought we didn't let enough North-African emigrants invade us. No shit!
http://www.economist.com/node/18561247

Fuck the EU, the Euro, the UN, NATO, Schengen etc.

[microrobert]

Europe's Jews Congratulate Hollande, Remind Him of Anti-Semitism

Rabbinical Centre of Europe congratulates Hollande for winning election in France, alerts him of the resurgence of anti-Semitism.

“We alert the president-elect on the resurgence of anti-Semitism and insecurity in Europe and France in particular and the need to vigorously fight it regardless of its origin,” the organization said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155517

[Edelmann]

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120506&t=2&i=603696873&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=CBRE8451LLV00

[Tony]

This result is gonna get useful, within five years Marine Le Pen will launch a takeover on the UMP, and the likely pro-immigrants measures that Hollande will adopt will make this takeover easier and easier.

I predict that in 2017 the centre-right will come back in power but it will be a centre-right with FN as first major leading party and the UMP as the second ally.

[microrobert]

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[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.politiques-publiques.net/IMG/jpg/h3.jpg

A bit typical of the right. :rolleyes: Immediately coming up with American-style character assassination because they are losing and now have lost the elections and are butthurt over it. Suppose that he blows up the Euro (which he won't) we would all have a reason to be very grateful. Down with the Euro, down with the EU and down with the banks.

[Vasconcelos]

down with the banks.

You degenerate Dutch! :p

[microrobert]

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[microrobert]

French olim: Hollande bad for Jews

Netanya's French community disappointed by elections results; says new president 'will care for Muslims because they supported him'

In Israel, the city of Netanya has the largest community of French nationals. Many expressed concern that Hollande will "Care for the Muslims, because they supported him."

"Hollande is not good for the Jews or for Israel," said Lorence Partush, adding that many Jews in France will now have an excuse to make aliyah, because "he loves Muslims."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4226031,00.html

[The Lawspeaker]

Finally some good news about the man then. Haha.. it's ironical that the mass migration they once cheered is also beginning to turn against them so the rats are leaving the sinking ship. I believe we should actually dump them into Muslim/African neighbourhoods and take in their passports: they are responsible for this mess they aren't going anywhere.

[Padre Organtino]

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Well, I guess Sarkozy was almost as bad so that's a consolation of sorts to the French:rolleyes2:

[Gamera]

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Jesus, Europe is fucked. :( I really hope Le Pen wins the next one.

[microrobert]

MSNBC Labels Nicolas Sarkozy A Prostitute

http://img.planet.fr/01_planet/actu/dossier_redac/sarkozy_prostituee_msnbc/1.jpg

As if losing his top officiating spot in France wasn’t bad enough, Nicolas Sarkozy (http://www.inquisitr.com/231154/socialist-hollande-beats-sarkozy-to-become-french-president/) was labeled a “prostitute” by MSNBC on Monday morning.

Read more at MSNBC Labels Nicolas Sarkozy A Prostitute (http://www.inquisitr.com/231697/msnbc-labels-nicolas-sarkozy-a-prostitute/#1p01a4bSjmvUCq02.99)

[angel]

Sarkozy - a Zionist thug whose reign of terror has come to an end. Good riddance to him, and congratulations to Hollande and Melenchon.


The overwhelming majority of French citizens living in Israel voted for Nicolas Sarkozy in the first round of the country’s presidential elections held on Sunday, demonstrating that French expatriates here favor the incumbent’s conservative economic policies and his tough stance on immigration.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/8-out-of-10-french-israelis-voted-sarkozy/

[The Lawspeaker]

Sarkozy - a Zionist thug whose reign of terror has come to an end. Good riddance to him, and congratulations to Hollande and Melenchon.
Yes.. congrats to the French people for voting between Merde and Merde and voting for Merde. :coffee:

[Albion]

Hollande has said he'll shut down around 28 nuclear power stations. This is ridiculous though, France is self sufficient and even an energy exporter because of the nuclear industry and here he is proposing to make it an electricity importer.
28 power stations cannot just be replaced overnight, he's kidding himself if he thinks he can replace them with renewables.

[The Lawspeaker]

Hollande has said he'll shut down around 28 nuclear power stations. This is ridiculous though, France is self sufficient and even an energy exporter because of the nuclear industry and here he is proposing to make it an electricity importer.
28 power stations cannot just be replaced overnight, he's kidding himself if he thinks he can replace them with renewables.
A bit like the Germans who announced the same thing. He will make France more dependent on the Middle East and on Russia. Typical.

[Albion]

A bit like the Germans who announced the same thing. He will make France more dependent on the Middle East and on Russia. Typical.

Yes, it's very foolish. It could have consequences here though, the French company EDF is meant to be building a few new nuclear power stations here. The German companies already backed out and now EDF probably will too (it is part owned by the French state).

The government should create a public company to build and run them itself rather than relying on foreign companies.

[Tel Errant]

He will shut down that of fessenheim because it's the oldest one, he was asked about it many times during the campain and each time repeated that it'll be the only one.

[PetiteParisienne]

The situation is dire no matter how you slice it. Each politician in that race was desperate and more than happy to do horrible things to attain power.

[Albion]

He will shut down that of fessenheim because it's the oldest one, he was asked about it many times during the campain and each time repeated that it'll be the only one.


During his election campaign, Mr Hollande, who was sworn in as France’s new president on Tuesday, proposed reducing the country’s dependence on nuclear power from 75 per cent to 50 per cent and shutting 24 of France’s 58 reactors by 2025.

It seems the information I read was dated:


1/ the 24 nuclear reactor closures were never an official part of the program but a leak to the press
2/ Mr Hollande has after that backtracked, pushing back to 2020 any decision to close nuclear reactors in France. The only exception is Fessenheim where two reactors (out of 58 in operation) could close by 2017.

[microrobert]

http://ripostelaique.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ri7Election-pr%C3%A9sidentielle-ethno-religieuse-jpeg.jpg

http://static.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Parti-Socialiste-Fran%C3%A7ois-Hollande-Affaires-Corruption-Ren%C3%A9-Le-Honzec-Contrepoints-tous-droits-r%C3%A9serv%C3%A9s-1024x505.jpg?9d7bd4


http://fnj69.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/sans-titre.jpg?w=640

[The Lawspeaker]

Yeah.. the Right now can't send more money from the French taxpayer to the IMF, Brussels and Goldman-Sachs and they are angry. For all his ills: Hollande will at least invest in the country where the right only tore it up (and the Right didn't solve the immigration ills either so they are a bunch of dirty hypocrites to begin with).

What did the UMP ever do for France, hmm ?

[Albion]

Yeah.. the Right now can't send more money from the French taxpayer to the IMF, Brussels and Goldman-Sachs and they are angry. For all his ills: Hollande will at least invest in the country where the right only tore it up (and the Right didn't solve the immigration ills either so they are a bunch of dirty hypocrites to begin with).

What did the UMP ever do for France, hmm ?

Well making a bloated public sector even bigger is probably not a good idea. France hasn't balanced its books since 1974 though so it may be able to handle it.
Then again the public sector accounts for something like 65% of GDP there compared to around 55% in the UK (a few percent of which is the Celtic Nations), 50% ish in Germany and 40% in Spain.
If it were to rise to 70% or more it'd be getting ridiculously unsustainable.
The UK is hardly faring much better but the deficit has been reduced by 25% already and the government is attempting to greatly reduce it.

Sarkozy wasn't the best choice but his economic policies were slightly less bad.

The bankers are angry because they lent money to these nations. Let us not forget that most Western nations foolishly accepted huge loans at the seemingly cheap rates. Derivatives played a part in this, essentially they covered up debt and acted as an IOU, one which could be used to distort figures. Greece amassed huge debts this way.
The governments which recklessly accepted them are as much to blame. The “bankster" witch hunt needs to include incompetent politicians. ;)

In the good times everyone benefited from cheap credit somehow. This cheap credit came courtesy of German economic performance, the less competitive countries basically pegged to Germany.
To become competitive with Germany would mean massive wage cuts and a decline in GDP per capita and export prices. Without their own currencies to devalue (to become cheaper for export and services) the Eurozone's weaker members cannot compete with the stronger members. The UK can devalue and often does, basically the lesson here is "we told you so".

Places like the Netherlands have little to fear apart from the weaker members dragging them down.

[Graham]

Hollande has said he'll shut down around 28 nuclear power stations. This is ridiculous though, France is self sufficient and even an energy exporter because of the nuclear industry and here he is proposing to make it an electricity importer.
28 power stations cannot just be replaced overnight, he's kidding himself if he thinks he can replace them with renewables.

What are they replacing this with?

Edit: no nead to answer read the rest of the thread.

[Albion]

What are they replacing this with?

Nobody knows. It seems he's come back to reality a bit now and is only closing one for the time being.