Varg is a Free man!

[Svarog]

Let's see for how long..

24.05.2009

Varg Vikernes has finally come out of prison on probation.

http://www.burzum.org/rus/news.shtml

[The Lawspeaker]

They should have kept him there. Under lock and key.

[Svarog]

Fortunately, you're not the one to spread the law around :D

[Loki]

Let's hope he has rescinded his life of crime.

[The Lawspeaker]

Fortunately, you're not the one to spread the law around :D


Fortunately for him, yes. This man destroyed a precious work of art and his deed was in no sense something that could be related to preservationism of any kind.

He burned one of those (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stave_church):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Stavkirke_Beiarn.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Urnesportalen.jpg

[Svarog]

He deserves a chance, Gods knows many others that deserve it less than him got their chance(s)

[Loki]

He deserves a chance, Gods knows many others that deserve it less than him got their chance(s)

Every man deserves a chance.

[The Lawspeaker]

Right. Well let's hope that he uses his chance well.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Fantoft_smt.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Fantoft.2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Fantoft_stavkirke2.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Bergen%2C_Fantoft1.jpg

This is the one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantoft_stave_church) that I will be visiting when I am in Bergen (this summer)- this is the one that Vigernes burned to the ground but it was lovingly reconstructed.

:) I am looking forward to see it with my own eyes.

[Brynhild]

I know somebody on this forum who will be seeing red!

Back to Varg, it was never proven that he burnt the church down. It all points to him circumstantially, remember that. The charges were thrown out of court. You can't hold anything against somebody who was never charged, let alone convicted. He did his time for murder and he was only 20.

I consider him to be very lucky but he will be hounded if he doesn't hide himself away. He deserves a chance as much as the next person does.

[Manifest Destiny]

They should have kept him there. Under lock and key.

I'm inclined to agree.

[Manifest Destiny]

Every man deserves a chance.

Maybe I'm just a hard ass, but I believe that he already had his chance. He could have lived out a normal life, but instead he chose to commit murder and arson.

[Loki]

Maybe I'm just a hard ass, but I believe that he already had his chance. He could have lived out a normal life, but instead he chose to commit murder and arson.

He served his term though, he paid for his crimes. Maybe not enough for murder though. But that's for the legal system to decide.

[Lyfing]

Hail Varg,

He may have stabbed some dude who knows how many times and burnt down some churches, but that don't matter. That makes him even greater. There are few who have such of the spirit left in the them..!!

The next thousand years ( at least ) are ours..!!

Later,
-Lyfing

[Óttar]

Hail Varg,
He may have stabbed some dude who knows how many times and burnt down some churches, but that don't matter. -Lyfing

:rolleyes2:

I wouldn't have expected such a sophmoric attitude from an intelligent person such as yourself. The churches he burned were churches that kept intact Heathen temple architecture, despite them being co-opted by Christians. They were essentially Heathen temples with crosses affixed to their buttresses.

[Lyfing]

Well,

I ain't never claimed to be too swooft..

And, the way Varg tells it they need to be burnt down because the good stuff is underneath them..

Loyalties will be Loyalties and that is all there is to it..!!

Later,
-Lyfing

[lei.talk]

He did his time for murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronymous) and he was only 20.was he too young to comprehend his actions?

he disclaims chemical influence.

is he retarded or psychopathic?

[Lyfing]

The man said he was going to kill him. How would you take that..?? Would you kill him first..??

Later,
-Lyfing

[The Lawspeaker]

Frankly. I care little for the murder he has committed and if that guy wanted to murder him then Varg may have been right in taking him out.

But that he burned down a stavkirke.... one of Norway's most impressive pieces of cultural heritage: he should have been hanged for that !

[lei.talk]

The man said he was going to kill him. How would you take that..??from a well-known poseur? with mocking laughter.

[Lyfing]

Whatever do you mean..?? I remember my friend who "wasn't a poser" calling me a poser and me writing down the word so I could look it up to see what it meant. It's also interesting that he was Italian-like and read books about Mussolini which got me interested in Hitler..??


Poseur (or "poser") is a pejorative term, often used in the musical subcultures of punk, heavy metal, hip-hop, and goth to describe "a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poseur

I suppose that is out of line though. Being so far off-topic and all..??

Coming from an old-man such as yourself you should now better..??

..was this some kind of ploy..are you Socrates..??

Later,
-Lyfing

[Osweo]

Plenty of reasons to kill a man, but NONE WHATSOEVER for destroying ancient irreplaceable art. I would have burnt him. Heck, I'd do that if he burnt some nice preRaphaelite paintings from 150 years ago...

[lei.talk]

Whatever do you mean..??as a response to the quoted question:

"How would you take that..??"

from a well-known poseur? with mocking laughter.
øystein aarseth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronymous) was a well-known poseur.

[Lady L]

Yea, here I come in the thread...:rolleyes::p

I don't know anything about what he burnt down, but considering only the murder, a man did threaten his life, and if the man of threats was known for killing another man he threatened, then I feel Varg did what anyone would do to save their own life. Remember, our ancestors fought with such vicious ways..? ;) Anyone up for a showdown ..? :wink

He did his time. And the " criminal system " is a joke anyhow...

To judge a person by the " criminal system " doesn't seem Heathen like..? ;)

[lei.talk]

...if the man of threats was known for killing another man he threatened, then...that is not the case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Yngve_Ohlin#Suicide).

[Svarog]

They burned and still are burning our temples too

http://www.fotorola.com/uploads/1df407b64e.png

And yes, it was way in the past but Varg burned the church also in the past, and beside he never even got proven guilty for that as far as I know, religious intolerance is something that cannot be avoided, and sure, yeah, I don't run around with handful of dynamite to destroy churches and burn the Christians and whatnot as my mother is a Christian etc but everyone have it's own priorities and while I do understand that church was priceless cultural monument many many others Pagan cultural monuments that could have been priceless today was burned down by those very same Christians who complain about their churches burned down and they built their religious temples over the old Pagan ones.

As for me, if I have to chose between old European religion and Semitic religion such is Christianity, even tho through ages it become part of European culture and it cannot be argue, I will always chose something that is more close to me and my people and that is my old religion than the one who was responsible for countless deaths and while religion is supposed to get people closer to each other Christianity divided Europe and make us hate each other because of the slight differences in teachings, look at Irish and English, Serbs and Croatian, Russians and pretty much everyone else, Varg is a great man and what he did, if he did it in the first place, he served his time and should be let alone to practice his creativity as for sure I am looking forward to read more of his work, mind the music

And for the murder, he was threaten first by the creature he killed, yeah, I am aware that self-defense card did not go well as when you kill someone in self-defense you don't disintegrate his body with a knife but he did receive life threats and police did their investigation, he is persecuted and he served his time, there are worse crimes out there completely ignored and all you have to is play a dumb card to be put in a nice sanatorium where you'll enjoy warm meal and some nurse attention and all supported by the tax payers.

[Freomæg]

The Murder - Whatever. It was between two people.

The Church Burning - A beautiful piece of architecture, but I admire Varg for keeping the resistance to Christianity alive. I wholly oppose the destruction of monuments - but these monuments themselves represent the destruction of earlier ones. It's all very well the Abrahamic religions burning everything in sight, but when they build atop what they razed, should their structures be immune from retribution. Seems like double standards to me.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't destroy a Church myself. In these trying times, Heathens and Christians alike would do well to unite against the Islamic tide.


Best of luck to Varg. In many ways, an admirable man - despite his faults.

[Tabiti]

I wonder what would he do now.

[Ladejarlen]

About time, guess he wont get much peace now with the Lords of Chaos movie with a moviestar from Twilight playing the role of Varg.
Varg said earlier he would make some new music in the Filosofem vein, I am looking forward to that.

[Absinthe]

Varg: Hero or Villain?

Neither, as far as I am concerned. One among many angry youngsters back in the '90s, intelligent and stupid at the same time (for different reasons), made some good music. :)

[Útrám]

He really has aged badly, church burning must be a demanding job.

http://i40.tinypic.com/sgs7qe.jpg

[Groenewolf]

I wonder what would he do now.

Finish A Bard's Tale: Part X ;) .

[Turkey]

I can't believe he destroyed that beautiful church.:mad:

And his claim to being a big man was making a home invasion on and murdering a helpless weakling.

What a disgrace.

[Saturni]

I can't believe he destroyed that beautiful church.:mad:

And his claim to being a big man was making a home invasion on and murdering a helpless weakling.

What a disgrace.

Well that's the Norwegian criminal justice system for you. If he did that in America he'd either be doing life or have been executed by now.

[Jägerstaffel]

Well that's the Norwegian criminal justice system for you. If he did that in America he'd either be doing life or have been executed by now.

Or get out of prison early for time served as a model inmate.

[Saturni]

Or get out of prison early for time served as a model inmate.

Not for murder one.

[Jake Featherston]

The churches he burned were churches that kept intact Heathen temple architecture, despite them being co-opted by Christians. They were essentially Heathen temples with crosses affixed to their buttresses.

Leaving aside various sectarian preferences, the church he burned had objective cultural & historic value.

With that said, convicted criminals who serve their sentence should be re-embraced by society, and allowed to live a normal, productive life subsequent to their release.

[Jake Featherston]

from a well-known poseur? with mocking laughter.

People have threatened to kill me...oh, probably more than 100 times over the course of the last 21 years (I recently turned 41, and I recall the first time I ever got a death threat was right around my 20th birthday), and I've never lost any sleep over it (and rightly so, it would seem), but its not like there exists some objective standard for being "a poseur," now does there? If someone isn't serious about their intent to kill someone, and they pay a price for issuing a threat they didn't intend, well...then they shouldn't have issued the threat then, I guess? The idea that there exists a special classification of people called "poseurs," who are allowed to issue deat threats with impunity, by virtue of their being "poseurs," seems ridiculous to me. Anytime anyone says anything, some portion of the people who hear it are going to assume it was meant seriously.

[safinator]

It didn't last much though.