Who should pay on dates?

[Hurrem sultana]

The guy or the girl?

[Hurrem sultana]

no i forgot to make the votings visible ,..could the moderators change it ,or close this thread so i can open a new one?

[dralos]

the richer one,so i guess it's you,are you happy now bosnian you embarassed me and your fiance vhrvanguard he now knows you're cheating on him but who can blame you,it's me afterall

[Graham]

Women should pay. :laugh:

[Aces High]

Company expense account.:cool:

[Damião de Góis]

A date where? And the man should pay for what? Everything?

Whenever i went out with girls we split the expenses and there was no issue. But the girls actually wanted to go out with me, so they weren't doing me any major favors and i wasn't "paying for their company".

Now, if i went out with an escort then i would pay for everything, no question there.

[European Loyalist]

if it's just coffee or something like that, just pay for your own. If it's a proper meal the male should pay. I don't know why, that's just how it is here :lol:.

[Capricornus]

Escape from the restaurant and leave the girl to wash the dishes

[Bard]

For the sake of gender equality the bill should be split.

[Furnace]

I will pay if the date was worth it xD

[2Cool]

Split.

Women want equality right? Then pay for your stuff too :)

[Contra Mundum]

The richest one.

[Strawberry]

In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs?

[Hurrem sultana]

the richer one,so i guess it's you,are you happy now bosnian you embarassed me and your fiance vhrvanguard he now knows you're cheating on him but who can blame you,it's me afterall

it is just because of the shampoo isn't it:rolleyes::coffee:

[Hurrem sultana]

In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs?

i agree

[Quorra]

In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs?

This is it. Youngest member is the wisest.

It's not fair but it still has to be that way. Only a cow would expect the man to continue after relationship starts. If the relationship doesn't start after the 2nd date then there's no chemistry anyway.

[Flintlocke]

I want to pay but girls won't let me. :P

[Vixen]

The richest one.


In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs?

I have a higher income that my fiance but when we were getting to know each other he always insisted on paying for everything. However, now that we live together all our money is shared.

[Talvi]

It doesnt matter. :)
I have payed for myself. Although my current bf has done most of the paying.

[Quorra]

It doesnt matter. :)
I have payed for myself. Although my current bf has done most of the paying.

On the times you paid for yourself, did you and the guy get together?

[Hurrem sultana]

I never went out with a guy who did not want to pay,it is just a very strong tradition in Bosnia

[Talvi]

On the times you paid for yourself, did you and the guy get together?

No.
:D
Actually the less I like a guy the less I would let him pay. Its just awkward.

With the current guy I let him buy me drinks when we first met. But when we went out to eat the first time I wasnt sure (there was the whole problem that he is a turk) so I tried resisting him paying but i couldnt in the end. (i didnt have cash and the place didnt accept card) After that he as paid for almost all the times we ate out I think....

[Contra Mundum]

In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs?

In my mind, just the opposite. If they don't know one another well, they should split the cost, especially if they both have the money. Otherwise, you are buying a stranger dinner just because they have a vagina and that's bullsh*t.

Once a man gets to know her over time, he may then be more generous because she would be worth it to him because of her personality, intelligence, character, etc.

[Strawberry]

In my mind, just the opposite. If they don't know one another well, they should split the cost, especially if they both have the money. Otherwise, you are buying a stranger dinner just because they have a vagina and that's bullsh*t.

Once a man gets to know her over time, he may then be more generous because she would be worth it to him because of her personality, intelligence, character, etc.

Makes sense actually,
But it is an automatic turn-off for a woman if a man doesn't even offer to pay on a first date

[Contra Mundum]

Of course I still pay for dates because I'm a sucker, unless she insists on paying her share.

[Hurrem sultana]

In my mind, just the opposite. If they don't know one another well, they should split the cost, especially if they both have the money. Otherwise, you are buying a stranger dinner just because they have a vagina and that's bullsh*t.

Once a man gets to know her over time, he may then be more generous because she would be worth it to him because of her personality, intelligence, character, etc.

thats just weird,if a guy behaved like that on a very first date there would be no other dates.you should not see it in that way,it is simply tradition

[Contra Mundum]

thats just weird,if a guy behaved like that on a very first date there would be no other dates.you should not see it in that way,it is simply tradition

It's also tradition that a woman stay in the home, cook dinner, clean the house and raise 8 kids.

[Quorra]

thats just weird,if a guy behaved like that on a very first date there would be no other dates.you should not see it in that way,it is simply tradition

He's just feminist.

[Hurrem sultana]

It's also tradition that a woman stay in the home, cook dinner, clean the house and raise 8 kids.

well many women would love to be house wives, don't worry ;) and a real man can offer that to his wife..but today the reality is different,a woman has to help the man to feed the household

mary knows more about these kind of things :D

[Hurrem sultana]

He's just feminist.

feminists are a big turn off, especially male feminists :D

[Queen B]

Here is a tradition for the man to pay. Men even fight of who will pay between friendly dinners, let along dates.
I always insist of payin since date no 1, but no man have ever accepted paying for him, only in special occasions like my Bday, or nameday

[Corvus]

Where I live it is tradition that we pay.

[Kazimiera]

If he invites me out somewhere, it is his invitation and therefore he pays.

If I invite him out, it is my invitation and I expect to pay. If he wishes to do so himself then I will let him. But I don't invite others (male or female) and expect them to pay.

If we meet somewhere for drinks then I have no problem paying for every second round since we are meeting in a public place and it is not an official invitation. If he wants to pay I will let him.

It takes two to tango in a relationship and I think that there should be input from both sides.

[SilverKnight]

The guy us, but in certain situations if the girl volunteers and she wants to do it with all her heart then let her never say no.

[Svipdag]

Whoever invited the other is the host and should pay. Of course, if the invitation is vaguely worded, such as "Let's do lunch.", then the question of who pays is left unresolved. (I would say that, in that particular case, inasmuch as "let's" means "let us", both should pay.)


"One hand washes the other" - Anon Y. Mous

[Rødskjegg]

It's normal to split the tab in Norway.

[Aces High]

I pride myself on the fact that i have always paid for everything,with former girlfriends and with my wife.
Not because im some male chauvinist pig but because i think its the right thing to do.....you take a woman out and she pays you the compliment of accepting then the least you can do is pay for the evenings entertainment.

Call me old fascis.....erm old fashioned if you like.:cool:

[European Loyalist]

I pride myself on the fact that i have always paid for everything,with former girlfriends and with my wife.
Not because im some male chauvinist pig but because i think its the right thing to do.....you take a woman out and she pays you the compliment of accepting then the least you can do is pay for the evenings entertainment.

Call me old fascis.....erm old fashioned if you like.:cool:

This reminds of just how misguided feminism is. Feminists look back on history and say that men treated women like slaves and sex objects (de beauvoir said that women were constructed into "the other" by the men so that they could dominate them for personal gain :rolleyes:) but look at all of our horrible evil traditions:

-cover the costs of courtship
-be the unquestionably responsible provider
-be courteous to all women
-consider the needs of your wife as importantly your own
etc...

look what we have now, a bunch of selfish immoral brats going around and getting divorces after 2 years because they can't agree on where they want to go on vacation. ffs.

[Maddy]

Well...the one time I went out on a date....the guy asked me to take him out....so I did....and I ended up paying. When I have gone somewhere with male friends....I guess it wasn't a date....but I payed for my half. A guy has never payed for me, besides my family.

[Hurrem sultana]

so,he asked you to take him out-and let you pay?

[Maddy]

Yeah...I guess I was desperate for companionship....and thought he was sort of joking...but yeah...I paid, and it was really expensive! And then he kept asking me to take him out again! Obviously, I blocked him...


so,he asked you to take him out-and let you pay?

[Barreldriver]

I've always been a traditional sort of feller on this subject, I almost always pay on the dates I've been on. Did get buggered when one of my last dates wouldn't let it rest until I let her pay, it drove me bonkers. Ain't no rich feller but figure hell oughtta pay for a damn date, ain't a bum.

[Chronos]

It's also tradition that a woman stay in the home, cook dinner, clean the house and raise 8 kids.

It would be great if tradition came back. We are in dire need of it.

[The Journeyman]

I think a man should pay for the first dates, but I think the female should nonetheless offer to pay. It shows good breeding.

[rashka]

Men should but if the woman insists that she pay her own then don't persist to pay.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

The bill should be split, every time since we both work and get paid .No need to be extrasensitive and pick cheapest food/drink in the menu , because someone else will pay for it.
This annoyes me most ,i want to pay my own food so i can order whatever i want cheap or expensive

[cossackpride]

Never take a woman out on the first date to a restaurant.

I had a mate who described how a woman looked at a menu for a few seconds and decided on Lobster. :lightbul: :thumb001: :D :eek:

[Skrondsze]

This reminds of just how misguided feminism is. Feminists look back on history and say that men treated women like slaves and sex objects (de beauvoir said that women were constructed into "the other" by the men so that they could dominate them for personal gain :rolleyes:) but look at all of our horrible evil traditions:

-cover the costs of courtship
-be the unquestionably responsible provider
-be courteous to all women
-consider the needs of your wife as importantly your own
etc...

look what we have now, a bunch of selfish immoral brats going around and getting divorces after 2 years because they can't agree on where they want to go on vacation. ffs.

Everything was much simpler back then...

Men should pay.

[Azalea]

The guy has to pay on the first few dates, definitely. Although like someone already mentioned before, I wouldn't want a guy to pay for me if I didn't think of him as boyfriend/relationship material.

[Aces High]

Never take a woman out on the first date to a restaurant.

I had a mate who described how a woman looked at a menu for a few seconds and decided on Lobster. :lightbul: :thumb001: :D :eek:

Reminds me of the W C Fields sketch where he asks his date........

"What'll ya have ?"

"Champagne i guess"

"Guess again"

[brunette]

Why should men pay for dates? They get flange at the end of it.

[ricko0812]

for me it would depend on if i think im gonna get lucky or not at the end. If not i guess she better have her credit card:thumb001:

[Mary]

I think it's hot if the girl pays.

[Aces High]

I think it's hot if the girl pays.

Oh come come Mary...im sure a brutal anal pounding is payment enough,not to mention sucking off a few other men in the resteraunt bogs to please your man.
Having to pay for the meal as well is a bit too much to ask no....?

[Mary]

Oh come come Mary...im sure a brutal anal pounding is payment enough,not to mention sucking off a few other men in the resteraunt bogs to please your man.
Having to pay for the meal as well is a bit too much to ask no....?

If she's the one making money by sucking off other guys then in reality she's still the one paying.

[Aces High]

If she's the one making money by sucking off other guys then in reality she's still the one paying.

Who said anything about getting paid for the blowjobs.....you should do it just to get your man into a fit state of sexual frenzy.
After all theres nothing like stretch marks round a girls mouth to tickle a guys fancy.

Come on Mary.....do i have to teach you these basics...?

[Mary]

Who said anything about getting paid for the blowjobs.....you should do it just to get your man into a fit state of sexual frenzy.
After all theres nothing like stretch marks round a girls mouth to tickle a guys fancy.

Come on Mary.....do i have to teach you these basics...?

Why not just let the woman pay for the dinner and then get sucked off yourself? :confused:

[Aces High]

Why not just let the woman pay for the dinner and then get sucked off yourself? :confused:

Wheres the humiliation theme in that banal scenario Mary.......are you losing your touch...?

[Alison]

Depends on who asked the other out. Once you've been married for an eternity, it's whoever has enough money to spare, especially if you have teenage boys who have girlfriends. I swear, their 'phone bill is more than our food bill.

[Mary]

Wheres the humiliation theme in that banal scenario Mary.......are you losing your touch...?

It's not humiliating for a woman to suck off other guys. Especially not if she's into it.

I think the scene you mean is multiple facials and then having money poured over her?

[Aces High]

It's not humiliating for a woman to suck off other guys. Especially not if she's into it.

Get with the programme Mary........todays tuesday,its humiliation day...you know like the Mickey Mouse club anything can happen day.
Its roleplaying Mary.......today humiliation tomorrow rape and thursday n ipple torture........remember...;)

[arcticwolf]

It's not humiliating for a woman to suck off other guys. Especially not if she's into it.

I think the scene you mean is multiple facials and then having money poured over her?

Mary, you need to up your game, it's getting boring to read about anal and BJs all the time, what's your take on golden showers, rim jobs, deep throating etc. Is it safe to assume you have some experience? ;)

[Mary]

Mary, you need to up your game, it's getting boring to read about anal and BJs all the time, what's your take on golden showers, rim jobs, deep throating etc. Is it safe to assume you have some experience? ;)

It totally depends on the theme. You'll need to read in my mate value thread and post there instead.

[Mraz]

The guy should pay for first dates because it has always
been like this and the feminist ideology is BS.
Girls have to spend lot of money for make up, clothes to
be pretty, so I guess it's fair like this.

[iNird]

It should be split especially if it's just the first date IMO. Why should women mooch off of men? Atleast offer to pay your own half.

:rolleyes:

[Hurrem sultana]

It should be split especially if it's just the first date IMO. Why should women mooch off of men? Atleast offer to pay your own half.

:rolleyes:

so in albania you do so? :D

[Mraz]

The official propaganda says that males and females are equal,
but males who want to be equal to females are morons in my eyes,
because the chicks will always want someone who has "more balls"
than them, they can say the opposite, they're just fooling themselves.
:laugh2:

[iNird]

so in albania you do so? :D

Well reality is quite different.

:D

I always have payed for females. Even when I'm out with friends I offer to pay.

[Atlas]

Bill is split, that's how it works first.

[Quorra]

I was just thinking. Would guys really mind paying at all if we all got married at 21 instead of 30?

That way the guys would only have to pay a few times and very quickly end up with someone they really love. Rather than having to pay many many times over a 10 or 15 year period and then end up settling for someone they don't love that much?

edit:Maybe there should be some age group cut off when women should just start paying for there own. I mean if you are still dating and you are 35 are you really all that genuine about committing? Is it really fair for the man to be paying for someone who's exhausted her best years on others.

*Braced for the flames*

[Hurrem sultana]

I was just thinking. Would guys really mind paying at all if we all got married at 21 instead of 30?


But different times.Not many guys have a good enough economy to be able to marry at 21,and support a family.

And come on,they are not paying God knows what,and who said it should be the male all the time,,,i am thinking only in the beginning

[Hurrem sultana]

Although in Bosnia even today girls and guys marry at 20,21,22 :D

my mom always says those over 25 that are not married are no marriage material :D

[Atlas]

Although in Bosnia even today girls and guys marry at 20,21,22 :D

my mom always says those over 25 that are not married are no marriage material :D

In 1995 your guys were butchered by Mladic boys though.

[Hurrem sultana]

In 1995 your guys were butchered by Mladic boys though.

:rolleyes:

what does that have to do with the age of marriage in Bosnia???

[Quorra]

But different times.Not many guys have a good enough economy to be able to marry at 21,and support a family.This is just an excuse. Employers love family guys. The married guy will always get a promotion over a single rogue. Also men are better at working and making money if they don't have to worry about where their next sex is coming from. Stabilty is the best way of making money.


And come on,they are not paying God knows what,and who said it should be the male all the time,,,i am thinking only in the beginningI was just saying why should they be expected to pay for girls who are not genuine for years on end until a woman becomes old enough to be genuine? We could at least educate our sons on whatever the relationship climate at the time.

[Mraz]

In 1995 your guys were butchered by Mladic boys though.

WTF are you talking about?

[Marmie Dearest]

The man, at least in the beginning to establish that he is dominant, takes initiative, and shows respect toward the woman he is dating. If a couple is in a relationship, of course the couple can sometimes each pay for themselves, or the woman can treat the man, but I believe in this as a traditional gender role to an extent.

[Maddy]

for me it would depend on if i think im gonna get lucky or not at the end. If not i guess she better have her credit card:thumb001:

Wait...is this for real...or a joke? Is that really how guys think?

[Hello]

Depends on who asked the other out. If I asked a guy out I would pay, if he asked me out he'd have to pay.:)

[Heart of Oak]

A Man always dose what's best for the Ladie....

[Heart of Oak]

Wait...is this for real...or a joke? Is that really how guys think?

He's being silly....

[Quorra]

Wait...is this for real...or a joke? Is that really how guys think?

No they love giving their money away with no return.:dielaughing:

It's not the end of the world.:confused:

[Hurrem sultana]

No they love giving their money away with no return.:dielaughing:

It's not the end of the world.:confused:

Mary is right...men PAY women for sex:coffee::D

[brunette]

+1 My Yugoslav comrade. Men love it, they love it outside of 'em.

[ricko0812]

Mary is right...men PAY women for sex:coffee::D

what about a male gigolo?:D

[Mraz]

In my opinion, paying a whore for sex is a better investment than
dating a woman for the same purpose :yawnee20:
Security above risk right?

[The Lawspeaker]

Do I look like Sinterklaas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas) ?

Our prices here simply don't allow me to be the gentleman and quite literary invest in people.

[The Lawspeaker]

no i forgot to make the votings visible ,..could the moderators change it ,or close this thread so i can open a new one?

I am sorry. I gave it a try for you but I can't find the correct settings. Sorry. :)

[D_Sheetz]

The man should definitely pay the first few dates, no matter the cost. Any man who disagrees doesn't know what being a 'proper gentleman' is.

[The Lawspeaker]

The man should definitely pay the first few dates, no matter the cost. Any man who disagrees doesn't know what being a 'proper gentleman' is.

Or unlike you is living in an expensive country where people are used to splitting the bill anyway. I can afford to be the gentleman and pay drinks for everyone around when I am outside Europe but when I am here in the Netherlands I can't afford the luxury.

[Supreme American]

Or unlike you is living in an expensive country where people are used to splitting the bill anyway. I can afford to be gentlemen and pay drinks for everyone around when I am outside Europe but when I am here in the Netherlands I can't afford the luxury.

I guess that's why Americans call paying your own way "going Dutch."

[The Lawspeaker]

I guess that's why Americans call paying your own way "going Dutch."

Yap. That's what you get when you're living in an expensive country. I have never seen Norwegians buy rounds or pay for the girl either when I visited their country but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

[Hurrem sultana]

in sweden the girls pay for them selves too

unless it is like the first date or something

[Curtis24]

Split the bill, or each pays for his or her own meal.

[Heart of Oak]

The government should pay at least three times a week....

[Osprey]

The Man.
Otherwise he's not a man, but a girly man.
Or a Cunning Predator.

[~Elizabeth~]

I voted the guy.

But going Dutch is fine at times, or taking turns. It depends.

[Sikeliot]

I think whoever invites the other should be the one paying.

[Heart of Oak]

I think whoever invites the other should be the one paying.

I was just thinking how to put it, but it's true you invite someone you pay....

[Peyrol]

Or unlike you is living in an expensive country where people are used to splitting the bill anyway. I can afford to be the gentleman and pay drinks for everyone around when I am outside Europe but when I am here in the Netherlands I can't afford the luxury.

A date in Rome downtown or in Venice can be very disastrous for your finances. :p

[The Lawspeaker]

A date in Rome downtown or in Venice can be very disastrous for your finances. :p

I am very happy that I don't need to worry about that prospect. :thumb001:

[Peyrol]

I am very happy that I don't need to worry about that prospect. :thumb001:

I will, instead :(

[Heart of Oak]

I usually pick up the bill.....

[Hurrem sultana]

I will, instead :(

if you don't live in Venice or Rome then no

[Linet]

It depends the reason you go out...
If i go out with a friend or in order to become friends, i expect him to pay nothing, we will share the bill and we are fine (Although allways ,even if its friendly, men here pay the first time at least).
But if someone ask me out for flirting, then i expect him to pay. Of course i ll have my money with me and i ll even offer to pay, but if he let me do that, he wont see me again. As friend sure, its not like i ll say no if he tells me to go out again but he will be 110% friendzoned.
Its not about the money, its the act, the courtecy. To make you feel like a lady, that he puts some minimum effort to make you like him.
Later on, in a normal relationship its like our money, so it doenst matter who pays. One of the 2 pays for both, one time the girl then the boy etc . Here couples almost never split the bill.

[Heart of Oak]

All depends how much ice cream has been eaten usually I'll pay for the first two gallons, after that who can move, pays the bill.....

[Linet]

:tongue_002: :eyes:... done :thumbs :D... :icon_cheers:

[Peyrol]

if you don't live in Venice or Rome then no

But are great places for a romantic walking :cool:

[Partiasn]

As for me I would Pay.

But all situations are different and there might be a situation where I would not pay. But as a general rule me personally I would pay for the girl.

[Absinthe]

I voted "pay for yourself" because I don't like the idea of sugar daddies. If the guy wants to treat me the drinks I will gladly accept on the premise that I will treat him his drinks the next time.

[Mortimer]

if we they live in a common community and are in marriage or relationship, they should share everything.

[Mortimer]

I voted "pay for yourself" because I don't like the idea of sugar daddies. If the guy wants to treat me the drinks I will gladly accept on the premise that I will treat him his drinks the next time.

if you accept on going on a date with him, then you already showed interest and can accept a drink. but if its just like a random person who wants to treat you a drink and you are not interested you refuse to accept the drink, or accept it but treat him the next.

[Absinthe]

if you accept on going on a date with him, then you already showed interest and can accept a drink. but if its just like a random person who wants to treat you a drink and you are not interested you refuse to accept the drink, or accept it but treat him the next.

Not sure I understand exactly, but my point was, I am already dating someone, then we either split the bill, or if he wants to buy me a drink, I buy him one the next time.

I don't accept drinks from random strangers, cause you never know their intentions. If someone approaches at a bar and wants to buy me a drink, I will refuse, most likely. If I am interested I will chat up with him and perhaps meet him a second time :)

[Mortimer]

Not sure I understand exactly, but my point was, I am already dating someone, then we either split the bill, or if he wants to buy me a drink, I buy him one the next time.

I don't accept drinks from random strangers, cause you never know their intentions. If someone approaches at a bar and wants to buy me a drink, I will refuse, most likely. If I am interested I will chat up with him and perhaps meet him a second time :)

yes i see. if you are already dating someone its ok to share the bill(s). i also think in a relationship it shouldnt be that important who pays maybe he pays 3 times and you once, important is that you put your forces together, but if he has more money then you? then it would be ok that he helps you out if he loves you. right? i dont think splitting the bill 50/50 is always neccessary. I say that because my parents have common budget and they dont do such stuff like splitting the bill, they share everything they have and it was usually my father who earned more.

[Absinthe]

yes i see. if you are already dating someone its ok to share the bill(s). i also think in a relationship it shouldnt be that important who pays maybe he pays 3 times and you once, important is that you put your forces together, but if he has more money then you? then it would be ok that he helps you out if he loves you. right? i dont think splitting the bill 50/50 is always neccessary. I say that because my parents have common budget and they dont do such stuff like splitting the bill, they share everything they have and it was usually my father who earned more.
Right :thumbs

[Hurrem sultana]

My parents share everything too,,,there is no "my money" in their lives.I think that is normal,and i will probably live like that too once married

But when you are still dating then you have your own economy then the question "who pays" is kinda more important and "there"

[Sultan Suleiman]

My parents share everything too,,,there is no "my money" in their lives.I think that is normal,and i will probably live like that too once married

But when you are still dating then you have your own economy then the question "who pays" is kinda more important and "there"

So you are paying tonight?

[Mago]

On the first date they guy of course, subsequent dates you can split but if the girl offers to pickup the tab i would have no objection.

[Hurrem sultana]

So you are paying tonight?

If in my town i am paying :D

[Hurrem sultana]

I never really offer to pay,maybe i am rude...but the guys in my area always pay.I mean my sister sometimes is fightig with her guy to pay...and he wont allow it...EVER

But then,we are also often at home,and then the girl "pays" by making dinner and so

[Behemot]

It's a little awcquard when you don't know someone very well ,than it's usually every man for himself ,but with boyfriends and good friends ,it's much moore relaxed,everyone pays for something at some point of the evening or next time...or whenever

[Sultan Suleiman]

I never really offer to pay,maybe i am rude...but the guys in my area always pay.I mean my sister sometimes is fightig with her guy to pay...and he wont allow it...EVER

But then,we are also often at home,and then the girl "pays" by making dinner and so

I wouldn't let you near MY kitchen.

[Hurrem sultana]

It's a little awcquard when you don't know someone very well ,than it's usually every man for himself ,but with boyfriends and good friends ,it's much moore relaxed,everyone pays for something at some point of the evening or next time...or whenever

The rule here is,if it is a date,the guy pays

If it is a group,and there is only one guy..usually he pays :D but it is not as weird if he does not,,as it would be be weird if it was a date and he did not pay

[Hurrem sultana]

I wouldn't let you near MY kitchen.

stoooo?:eek:

[Sultan Suleiman]

stoooo?:eek:

You don't look very qualified, and every woman I let into my kitchen caused untold damage because their culinary retardation.

If she want's to repay there are more cheaper and enjoyable ways for her to do it. :rolleyes:

[Behemot]

The rule here is,if it is a date,the guy pays

If it is a group,and there is only one guy..usually he pays :D but it is not as weird if he does not,,as it would be be weird if it was a date and he did not pay
Maybe on a first date
But every time no......
True ,there are some that you need to kick under ribs to win a bill ,but eventually it all ends with :sometimes you,sometimes me :D
In the group......no,the guy is not expected to pay
Hahah like we are from different worlds :D

[Hurrem sultana]

You don't look very qualified, and every woman I let into my kitchen caused untold damage because their culinary retardation.

If she want's to repay there are more cheaper and enjoyable ways for her to do it. :rolleyes:

How do you know i am not qualified?

[Hurrem sultana]

Maybe on a first date
But every time no......
True ,there are some that you need to kick under ribs to win a bill ,but eventually it all ends with :sometimes you,sometimes me :D
In the group......no,the guy is not expected to pay
Hahah like we are from different worlds :D

Of course eventually but for some reason bosnian guys here see it as "humiliation" if his girl pays out...so i am used to that,,vanguard do not blame me blame the guys :D

swedish guys are different,everyone pays for him self,,even on first dates :D

[Sultan Suleiman]

How do you know i am not qualified?

I just know...

[Ushtari]

girls pay back with sex

[Hurrem sultana]

vanguard,not qualified in what?????

[Sultan Suleiman]

no,the guy is not expected to pay

Damn I wish there were more like you :D

[Hurrem sultana]

girls pay back with sex

you buy her a drink she gives you her body?

sounds cheap

[Gospodine]

Hey, you want equal rights?

Pay the damn bill. You make more than us in many cases.

I am emotionally invested in all my relationships.
Because when I see a receipt, I cry :D

[Hurrem sultana]

Damn I wish there were more like you :D

odgovori mi na pitanje:eek::mad:

[Hurrem sultana]

Hey, you want equal rights?

Pay the damn bill. You make more than us in many cases.

I am emotionally invested in all my relationships.
Because when I see a receipt, I cry :D

We pay the bill too.We do everything,and more than you guys:coffee:

[Sultan Suleiman]

odgovori mi na pitanje:eek::mad:

Jednostavno nemaš "facu" za kuhnje :D

[Hurrem sultana]

Jednostavno nemaš "facu" za kuhnje :D

nisi probao moje pite,kolace:coffee: :D

[Ushtari]

you buy her a drink she gives you her body?

sounds cheap
yeah getting laid is not expensive at all

[Sultan Suleiman]

nisi probao moje pite,kolace:coffee: :D

Meh, postavi nekoliko slika kad napraviš ih ponovo.

[Hurrem sultana]

Meh, postavi nekoliko slika kad napraviš ih ponovo.

sad cu za bajram postaviti slike baklave vidjeces,,,samo zbog ovoga :D

[Gospodine]

yeah getting laid is not expensive at all

... in Albania

trollface.jpg

[Sultan Suleiman]

sad cu za bajram postaviti slike baklave vidjeces,,,samo zbog ovoga :D

Samo nemoj zapalit pola Štokholma molim te.

[Hurrem sultana]

well he is right,good looking guys have no problems,they get the girls easy

avrage looking guys usually stick to long term relationship,or they have to "buy" sex

and the ugly ones have to really pay to get anything :D

[Sultan Suleiman]

well he is right,good looking guys have no problems,they get the girls easy

avrage looking guys usually stick to long term relationship,or they have to "buy" sex

and the ugly ones have to really pay to get anything :D

Well Darko not everyone is a 1,90 M, ripped blond blue eyed Aryan like you :(

[Ushtari]

^^ thats bullshit(bosnian)

A guy can have precisely any girl he likes, even those who (by look) are clearly in the league above him. While girls can NOT get any guy they want.

Why? because guys mainly go by looks, while girls mainly go by funny/confident personality. Meaning that if a girl dont fit a guys taste by looks, there is no way in hell she can make him change his mind about her, while a guy simple need to use his brain to get any pussy he wants.

[Hurrem sultana]

Well Darko not everyone is a 1,90 M, ripped blond blue eyed Aryan like you :(

LOL i am darko?

[The Lawspeaker]

^^ thats bullshit(bosnian)

A guy can have precisely any girl he likes, even those who (by look) are clearly in the league above him. While girls can NOT get any guy they want.

Why? because guys mainly go by looks, while girls mainly go by funny/confident personality. Meaning that if a girl dont fit a guys taste by looks, there is no way in hell she can make him change his mind about her, while a guy simple need to use his brain to get any pussy he wants.

That goes for teenage boys, son. Not for men. :thumb001: For a man it's a matter of the right all-inclusive package: looks, personality, intelligence.

[Corvus]

Well Darko not everyone is a 1,90 M, ripped blond blue eyed Aryan like you :(

LOL i am darko?

Aren`t you :confused:

[Hurrem sultana]

^^ thats bullshit(bosnian)

A guy can have precisely any girl he likes, even those who (by look) are clearly in the league above him. While girls can NOT get any guy they want.

Why? because guys mainly go by looks, while girls mainly go by funny/confident personality. Meaning that if a girl dont fit a guys taste by looks, there is no way in hell she can make him change his mind about her, while a guy simple need to use his brain to get any pussy he wants.

Only ugly guys think that,of course we judge by looks too

[Gospodine]

We pay the bill too.We do everything,

Ako mozes napravit cevape bolje nego Mrkva u Carsiju, onda netrebas platit.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Ako mozes napravit cevape bolje nego Mrkva u Carsiju, onda netrebas platit.

Mrkva je sranje. Probaj iz Zmaja. :thumb001:

[Ushtari]

That goes for teenage boys, son. Not for men. :thumb001: For a man it's a matter of the right all-inclusive package: looks, personality, intelligence.
Not really


While personality and intelligence are important elements on a girl, they are nowhere close to how she look. Girls dont have that demand on guys, in fact, they look for the complete opposite because girls are social creatures who need to be entertained and therefore mainly seek for a funny and confident personality that is slightly above her own.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Not really


While personality and intelligence are important elements on a girl, they are nowhere close to how she look. Girls dont have that demand on guys, in fact, they look for the complete opposite because girls are social creatures who need to be entertained and therefore mainly seek for a funny and confident personality that is slightly above her own.

Pretty much this :thumb001:

[Gospodine]

Mrkva je sranje. Probaj iz Zmaja. :thumb001:

Nije istina buraz. Ide ovako: Mrvka > Hodzic > Zmaja > Zeljo.
Dobro mozda su se promjenili od kad sam ja bio zadni put u 2010.

Honorable mention: Popeye in Split. Best cevabdzinica in Croatia I've seen.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not really


How old are you, son ? I am almost 30 now: trust me. I know this kind of stuff.

[iNird]

I hate freeloaders. Pay for your own shit, atleast offer to pay.

:rolleyes:


How old are you, son ? I am almost 30 now: trust me. I know this kind of stuff.

He's right IMO. That's why you will find some ugly/fat guys with some beautiful women. The reverse is rarely true. Looks are important factor for women but personality is usually more important.

[Gospodine]

^^ thats bullshit(bosnian)

A guy can have precisely any girl he likes, even those who (by look) are clearly in the league above him. While girls can NOT get any guy they want.

Why? because guys mainly go by looks, while girls mainly go by funny/confident personality. Meaning that if a girl dont fit a guys taste by looks, there is no way in hell she can make him change his mind about her, while a guy simple need to use his brain to get any pussy he wants.

Hey-ho...

Keep your Illyrian blood feuds to yourselves.
We don't start a vendetta just because she turned us down.

In all seriousness though; girls decide whether or not you're getting in any in the first minute flat and are put off by the most subtle things.
Research shows this to be true.

Doesn't matter how funny, quirky, witty you might be, if you're not "on" in 30 seconds, you've missed it.

Girls are in general, far more discerning about their partners; right down to shit men couldn't conceive to be attractive.

Like Chris Rock says: "Dick is free. Any money you spend on dick is a bad investment. Vagina costs money."

Women are offered dick practically every day; it devaluates our stock.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Nije istina buraz. Ide ovako: Mrvka > Hodzic > Zmaja > Zeljo.

Jeo sam u svakoj od nabrojanih ćevabđinica i nijedna nije ni do jaja Zamju :coffee:

[Gospodine]

Jeo sam u svakoj od nabrojanih ćevabđinica i nijedna nije ni do jaja Zamju :coffee:

It's on my to-do list now.

[Ushtari]

Hey-ho...

Keep your Illyrian blood feuds to yourselves.
We don't start a vendetta just because she turned us down.

In all seriousness though; girls decide whether or not you're getting in any in the first minute flat and are put off by the most subtle things.
Research shows this to be true.

Doesn't matter how funny, quirky, witty you might be, if you're not "on" in 30 seconds, you've missed it.

Girls are in general, far more discerning about their partners; right down to shit men couldn't conceive to be attractive.

Like Chris Rock says: "Dick is free. Any money you spend on dick is a bad investment. Vagina costs money."

Women are offered dick practically every day; it devaluates our stock.
Hahahah if you really believe that 6-pack ABS will get you laid, then go ahead son, hit the gym for the next 5month and give us a "Laid rapport" ;)


A girl will rather choose a short skinny guy with the most funny personality rather than a trained guy who have no sense of humor, that my son, is a fact!

[Sultan Suleiman]

It's on my to-do list now.

Good man :thumb001:

[Behemot]

Off topic : Ćevapi iz Mrkve više ništa ne valjaju :( Ražnjići im još mogu proć

On topic :
"girls don't go for the looks" is a plane bullshit
Trouble is : you have to find one that has the looks and uses occasionally that spongy thing called brain :D

[The Lawspeaker]

He's right IMO. That's why you will find some ugly/fat guys with some beautiful women. The reverse is rarely true. Looks are important factor for women but personality is usually more important.
In that case there is usually something else at work too:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xFFYx_iNmSs/TIzjzeT_8wI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/hHlfH7jUEI4/s1600/Euro+Notes.jpg

[Ushtari]

When a girl claim that girls go by looks, you know it is a LIE.


Basically its like this:

For a girl to offer you her pussy, you need to earn it, and the easiest way to earn it is by having a funny personality, not hawt ABS, period.

[Drawing-slim]

Only the need for a discussion thread about this is a clear sign of society gone wrong already.
Are you kidding me.

[Gospodine]

For a girl to offer you her pussy, you need to earn it, and the easiest way to earn it is by having a funny personality, not hawt ABS, period.

Lol, no one mentioned abs here but you.

I was referring more to tall, dark and handsome. Not a Greek god reincarnated.

[iNird]

In that case there is usually something else at work too:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xFFYx_iNmSs/TIzjzeT_8wI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/hHlfH7jUEI4/s1600/Euro+Notes.jpg

This definately helps but I have had friends that were unemployed, average shape and average looking, and pull in some hot looking women. I rarely see a good looking guy with a fat chick unless the guy has no self-esteem.

[Gospodine]

swedish guys are different,everyone pays for him self,,even on first dates :D

That's because they're uber-liberal/egalitarian/Scandinavian utopians.

Get some patriarchy up in that b*tch.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Trouble is : you have to find one that has the looks and uses occasionally that spongy thing called brain :D

I use it most of the time :)

[Drawing-slim]

feminists are a big turn off, especially male feminists :DThis is great. proves women strive for obscurity and should have never been given the right to vote in the first place..

[Hurrem sultana]

This is great. proves women strive for obscurity and should have never been given the right to vote in the first place..

We want to be taken care of :D

[Sultan Suleiman]

We want to be taken care of :D

That's what I want too :)

[Behemot]

We want to be taken care of :D
Speak for yourself :D

[iNird]

We want to be taken care of :D


That's what I want to :)

Typical Balkan mentality. Take care of yourselves.

:coffee:

[Gospodine]

We want to be taken care of :D

That's what I want to :)

When extremists fall in love. :thumb001:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls6rnyhgn1qiagboo1_500.jpg

[Sultan Suleiman]

When extremists fall in love. :thumb001:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls6rnyhgn1qiagboo1_500.jpg

Who gave you permission to steal my soul and put it in the pixels :eek:

[Lena]

On a first date, it's the guy who should pay (unwritten rule here) but girl should be kind enough not to give the guy she's having a date with a hard times by ordering lobster :D...modesty is always appreciated. Later, if relationship develops they don't care who's paying as long as they're together and having a good time :)

[memobekes]

On a first date, it's the guy who should pay..
What do you mean "should"? :rolleyes2:

I think it's about time that females started dipping their hands into their pockets for once.

Sexual discrimination is just bad, bad form.

[Lena]

What do you mean "should"? :rolleyes2:

I think it's about time that females started dipping their hands into their pockets for once.

Sexual discrimination is just bad, bad form.

Hahaha! It means exactly that guy should pay on a first date :wink Here, it would be almost an insult if I, for instance, demand to pay on a first date :noidea: but later, as I said, it doesn't matter so much and girls (if they really care about the guy they're with) usually find a ways to save his budget by paying at least some (using silly methods not to hurt guy's feelings and purchasing movie tickets while claiming they got it for free from some friend, agreeing that guy pays a drinks if they pay for something else etc.) and paying attn to what he needs and wants out of more expensive stuffs, so they can purchase it as a present to what ever date suits them(b-day or their little anniversary etc.)

[Incal]

LOL a girl paying for me wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. She would make my day actually.

[Mago]

girls decide whether or not you're getting in any in the first minute flat and are put off by the most subtle things.
Doesn't matter how funny, quirky, witty you might be, if you're not "on" in 30 seconds, you've missed it.Women are offered dick practically every day; it devaluates our stock.

so true...

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

Paid three girls for drinks two nights ago cause I'm a noble spirit.

idiot, you should only buy the drink for the one you like

[Sikeliot]

At this point, my preferred option is people take turns.

[Mago]

Paid three girls for drinks two nights ago cause I'm a noble spirit.

you might see yourself as that, they see you as a weakling.


idiot, you should only buy the drink for the one you like

Go talk to them first and pick the one you like, then if all goes well you can offer to buy her a drink. if she shows no interest then buy her nothing and move on.

[OrangeWill]

The male should pay, unless the woman insists that you split the bill. Under no circumstances should the woman pay.

[Welter]

Each pay their own bill...

I pay for my date only when necessary.

[Hurrem sultana]

Lol and when is it necessary?

[Hurrem sultana]

LOL a girl paying for me wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. She would make my day actually.

Lena is right,the bosnian guys are same.The gir really has to fight to get to pay(in the start of a relationship)

But then you are not a balkanian gentlman soo you are not to be blamed:D you do know the biggest turn off for a girl is if she notices he cares too much about his money :S

[Sophie]

Either. Or whoever has the fatter wallet. :D

[derLowe]

It is quite common here in South Africa that each person pays for their own portion of the bill, this dose not apply if you are going out for coffee; than it is expected for the man to pay.

[StonyArabia]

It is quite common here in South Africa that each person pays for their own portion of the bill, this dose not apply if you are going out for coffee; than it is expected for the man to pay.

They sound cheap.

[derLowe]

They sound cheap.

A lovely sentiment I am sure, perhaps you should write some thing a bit more engaging so we can have a discussion.

[Hurrem sultana]

A lovely sentiment I am sure, perhaps you should write some thing a bit more engaging so we can have a discussion.

They do sound cheap,but then every culture si different.In the Balkans the girl is expected to offer to pay,but the guy will usually ignore it and pay for both

if you are long term or married,then it is different..but even then you pay together not each for him self.I can imagine the discussion "ok honey you had coffee and cake,i only had coffee so you pay X i pay Y" :D :D :D

[derLowe]

They do sound cheap,but then every culture si different.In the Balkans the girl is expected to offer to pay,but the guy will usually ignore it and pay for both

if you are long term or married,then it is different..but even then you pay together not each for him self

Usually when a woman asks me out for lunch I assume she is paying for both, if she asks me out to lunch and assumes I am paying for both I will pay and have nothing to do with her afterwards. I found scenarios like this useful tests of character.

Marriage is 50/50 all the way but not all of the 50/50 can be measure monetarily.

[Hurrem sultana]

Usually when a woman asks me out for lunch I assume she is paying for both, if she asks me out to lunch and assumes I am paying for both I will pay and have nothing to do with her afterwards. I found this a useful litmus test of character.

Marriage is 50/50 all the way but not all of the 50/50 can be measure monetarily.

I never ask guys out,never happened...if i did,then i would assume that i should pay.Once you are in a serious relationship it is not even important,both pay depending on situation

[derLowe]

I never ask guys out,never happened...if i did,then i would assume that i should pay.Once you are in a serious relationship it is not even important,both pay depending on situation

Just shows differences in culture. Woman asking guys out is not uncommon in the circles I move in.

If you are in a serious relationship with some one who suffer a financial set back than you have to be flexible, if you want to continue the relationship.

[Hurrem sultana]

Just shows differences in culture. Woman asking guys out is not uncommon in the circles I move in.

If you are in a serious relationship with some one who suffer a financial set back than you have to be flexible, if you want to continue the relationship.

How about the black south africans? are they as un-romantic?:D

[derLowe]

How about the black south africans? are they as un-romantic?:D

I don't know I have never dated a Zulu woman. I dated a Indian model once and she was allot more conservative, not paying for any thing expecting the man to do every thing.

Just because some thing does not fit your definition of Romantic does not make it unromantic to the people in question.

[Hurrem sultana]

I don't know I have never dated a Zulu woman. I dated a Indian model once and she was allot more conservative, not paying for any thing expecting the man to do every thing.

Just because some thing does not fit your definition of Romantic does not make it unromantic to the people in question.

The african guys at my unviersity are quite gentlman acting...not letting their women pay for anything.And their women are also expecting it..one girl got mad because he did not offer to drive her friend home:D

so do not date south african black chicks

[derLowe]

The african guys at my unviersity are quite gentlman acting...not letting their women pay for anything.And their women are also expecting it..one girl got mad because he did not offer to drive her friend home:D

so do not date south african black chicks

I have no interest in woman with that attitude, I dated a few and they all turnout out to be anchors rather than assets. If a woman wants to be with me she has to be wealthy, independent and upwardly mobile.

[Su]

Of course men :D

[Arthas]

A woman insisting on splitting the bill is a bad sign in my opinion.

[Hurrem sultana]

A woman insisting on splitting the bill is a bad sign in my opinion.

why?

[Mechanolater]

I'm of the opinion that men should pay, at least on the first date. It just "feels" right. Most of the women I've dated have insisted that they split the tab with me after the first date, but allowed me to pay on the first without any fuss, which shows me that they accept it as just a nice, "traditional" thing.

Wasn't even going to post in the thread, but I was layin' my head down to sleep, and I heard from my window a young woman talking to her friend. They were going on about the woman's date with a young man. "Nigga was mad cheap. Took me to da chicken spot, asked me if I had a dolla."

[Arthas]

why?

Generally, women who insist on paying their share of the bill are more feminist, less submissive, less conservative, etc.

[Absinthe]

Generally, women who insist on paying their share of the bill are more feminist, less submissive, less conservative, etc.
Whereas if they don't offer to pay they are seen as gold diggers, opportunists and leeches.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't :D

[Mechanolater]

Generally, women who insist on paying their share of the bill are more feminist, less submissive, less conservative, etc.

Really? In my experience it has been that they're more conservative. They want to pay their portion because they want to make it clear that they aren't mens' shoulder accessories. Not so much to say "I am woman, hear me roar!" but to say "I'm here because I enjoy your company, not to get free grub and a flick ticket."

[Arthas]

Whereas if they don't offer to pay they are seen as gold diggers, opportunists and leeches.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't :D

Well... I certainly don't agree with that analogy. I don't know what it's like where you're at, but I've never seen/heard anyone call a woman a gold digger for letting a man pay for a date. It's still fairly normal for a man to pay here.

[rhiannon]

I have never been the sort to automatically expect the guy to pay on a date. In nearly every case I can recall, I always made an attempt to pay at least for myself, and in some cases, for both of us.

I tried to pay for the first date I had with my husband:) He wouldn't allow me to, though:D

[Osprey]

I have never been the sort to automatically expect the guy to pay on a date. In nearly every case I can recall, I always made an attempt to pay at least for myself, and in some cases, for both of us.

I tried to pay for the first date I had with my husband:) He wouldn't allow me to, though:D

Seems like a nice guy :)

[Arthas]

I have never been the sort to automatically expect the guy to pay on a date. In nearly every case I can recall, I always made an attempt to pay at least for myself, and in some cases, for both of us.

I tried to pay for the first date I had with my husband:) He wouldn't allow me to, though:D

There's nothing wrong with offering to pay for half of a date to show that you really like the guy, and if he lets you pay half then that's fine, but making a big deal out of paying your half and insisting that you split the bill is when it gets taken too far, that's when a giant warning sign appears in my mind.

[Arthas]

I'm no hypocrite either. If a man insists on splitting the bill, he's a total knob.

[Absinthe]

I don't know what it's like where you're at, but I've never seen/heard anyone call a woman a gold digger for letting a man pay for a date. It's still fairly normal for a man to pay here.

Look, in the Balkans (and I suppose this holds true for Eastern Europe as well), there is a general norm that women are heavily encouraged, if not forced, by their families, to go after a rich man with high social status. In Greece I remember that 9 out of 10 girls in adolescent years were told by their mothers "you must get yourself a doctor or a lawyer", "you can't date someone who isn't making much money", "a good husband should provide everything and offer you an easy life", etc...

As a result, women where I live either become gold diggers indeed, or they revolt into the other extreme and end up with some unemployed loser only to prove the world (and themselves) that "love conquers all".

This phenomenon has been affecting men's perception of women as well.

Because there are a lot of gold diggers out there, men sometimes become so overly cautious and paranoid about it (especially if they do have money) that they may misinterpret the slightest detail about a woman's conduct as gold digging.
They're becoming paranoid such as constantly wondering "does she want me for my money?" and putting this theory to the test in various ridiculous ways :p

Hence, women often offer to pay for their own drink or pick up the tab once in a while, to avoid giving that impression to a man. :)

[Hurrem sultana]

Oh come on letting him pay for the coffee is hardly gold digging,i doubt any man would come up with that in his mind

[Behemot]

Ah,male/female bahaviour and what is "expected" seems to be neverending inspiration for discussion :D

If a guy want's to be a gentleman ,coffie is enough ,anything more than that is buying your attention ,and that is something I don't allow ( and I was raised like that in the middle of the Balkans :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:)
If I ask someone out,or to have a coffie or something like that ( I do that too:eek::D )......I pay.
Splitting bills is ok ,with a group of people that you don't know quite well ,but when is 1 on 1 ,it seems more friendly just to pay for something else if the guy wants to pay for dinner.
I don't have a good opinion on that financial support romanticism,what's the point if both have jobs or equally depend on parent's support :confused:
And bunch of prejudices about Balkans again.....nope,there are a large number of us,who are raised and supported to be lawyers and doctors ,instead chasing to marry one :rolleyes:

[Γέλως]

Look, in the Balkans (and I suppose this holds true for Eastern Europe as well), there is a general norm that women are heavily encouraged, if not forced, by their families, to go after a rich man with high social status. In Greece I remember that 9 out of 10 girls in adolescent years were told by their mothers "you must get yourself a doctor or a lawyer", "you can't date someone who isn't making much money", "a good husband should provide everything and offer you an easy life", etc...

You are posting false infromation and/or exaggerating as always...

[Nurzat]

man has to pay always and for everything, i am not accepting charity not even from other men

[The Lawspeaker]

Look, in the Balkans (and I suppose this holds true for Eastern Europe as well), there is a general norm that women are heavily encouraged, if not forced, by their families, to go after a rich man with high social status. In Greece I remember that 9 out of 10 girls in adolescent years were told by their mothers "you must get yourself a doctor or a lawyer", "you can't date someone who isn't making much money", "a good husband should provide everything and offer you an easy life", etc...

As a result, women where I live either become gold diggers indeed, or they revolt into the other extreme and end up with some unemployed loser only to prove the world (and themselves) that "love conquers all".

This phenomenon has been affecting men's perception of women as well.

Because there are a lot of gold diggers out there, men sometimes become so overly cautious and paranoid about it (especially if they do have money) that they may misinterpret the slightest detail about a woman's conduct as gold digging.
They're becoming paranoid such as constantly wondering "does she want me for my money?" and putting this theory to the test in various ridiculous ways :p

Hence, women often offer to pay for their own drink or pick up the tab once in a while, to avoid giving that impression to a man. :)
It's really a society that revolves around cash, no ?

[Absinthe]

You are posting false infromation and/or exaggerating as always...
How old are you? :)

[ricko0812]

whoever got the money

[Γέλως]

How old are you? :)
22 but I don't see how this is relevant.

[Piparskeggr]

I always paid when I was dating and still do when I take my wife out.

[Incal]

Look, in the Balkans (and I suppose this holds true for Eastern Europe as well), there is a general norm that women are heavily encouraged, if not forced, by their families, to go after a rich man with high social status. In Greece I remember that 9 out of 10 girls in adolescent years were told by their mothers "you must get yourself a doctor or a lawyer", "you can't date someone who isn't making much money", "a good husband should provide everything and offer you an easy life", etc...

As a result, women where I live either become gold diggers indeed, or they revolt into the other extreme and end up with some unemployed loser only to prove the world (and themselves) that "love conquers all".

This phenomenon has been affecting men's perception of women as well.

Because there are a lot of gold diggers out there, men sometimes become so overly cautious and paranoid about it (especially if they do have money) that they may misinterpret the slightest detail about a woman's conduct as gold digging.
They're becoming paranoid such as constantly wondering "does she want me for my money?" and putting this theory to the test in various ridiculous ways :p

Hence, women often offer to pay for their own drink or pick up the tab once in a while, to avoid giving that impression to a man. :)

It's pretty much the same in LatAm.

[Absinthe]

22 but I don't see how this is relevant.
Um........

When I was an adolescent (the situation I described in my previous post), you were in elementary school. Greece has been changing dramatically since the 80s, every decade is different when it comes to lifestyle and mentalities towards certain things.

I spend my childhood in the 80s, going to elementary school and gymnasium was a very different experience from yours. You must have been reading those chain e-mails about "those who have been born in the 80s" describing how the way of life was much less materialistic, more carefree, eh? :D

How you went to school not even noticing what the other students wear (we all wore simple jeans and track suits anyway :D), not competing about phones and gadgets in school (cause we didn't have any), playing outside in the park or alley, etc.

I remember this era very well - since it was my childhood and I remember that people were much less preoccupied with money and social status.

There was very little unemployment and people didn't have much money and luxuries but Greek families lived OK and were content with what they had.

And then - came the 90s, the era in which you were born into -
and we all of the sudden had many television channels, MTV, lifestyle magazines, and banks calling you up 5 times a day begging you to get a loan.
And mobile phone, and immigrants (for the first time) that could be used as house servants or do the dirty work that noone else wants to do anymore.

Especially the lifestyle magazines and shows really changed the way that people think.

I was way into adolescence by that time and there was a huge frenzy around money and material goods.

Greece is probably the only country which has never had a communist regime but exhibits all the characteristics of a post-communist country ;)

Now all of the sudden, it was like an invisible socialist veil had been lifted and now everybody wanted to be somebody.

People bought one expensive car after another (with thousands of dosages from the bank), everyone needed to have the newest and smallest mobile phone, the designer clothes and brands suddenly became a thing for everyone, the night clubs sprouted like mushrooms and everything was about showing off your newly acquired wealth in the most "in" of the clubs.

Families who were former middle class took bank loans and moved to the suburbs and got Philippino maids.
People in the countryside who were farmers got grants from the EU, bought fancy cars and stopped working, they hired immigrants to do the work in the field while they drove around in their expensive cars and showed off.

Amidst this frenzy there was a trend that girls should date and marry as rich and famous as possible. You missed this by ten years.

Back in the mid90s when I am talking about, 9 out of 10 girls were encouraged to go after loaded men, and nobody should even cast an eye on a "loser" who doesn't have the above luxuries.

My friends' fathers always asked this question: "what kind of car does he own"?

According to the reply, the girl was either encouraged or discouraged to date someone. ;)
The mothers would go to other mothers and boast about their daughters' new catch "he is a doctor and he drives a Mercedes" and would compete about which daughter has cobwebbed the most successful guy.

Ten years later when you were a teenager, the whole bubble had started to burst already, the diamond shine became dusty, plus, everyone had lived the dream even for a few years, so there wasn't as much fun in competing any more, and because of so many failed marriages and relationships based on material criteria, the trend shifted more towards "ok, as long as he is a good man and he takes care of you".

That is how your age is relevant. ;)

[Sui Generis]

You can share payments. Or at least he can pay for first date but girl can make same at another dates too. There shoud not be a certain rule, men should pay every date.

[Also]

When a girl claim that girls go by looks, you know it is a LIE.


Basically its like this:

For a girl to offer you her pussy, you need to earn it, and the easiest way to earn it is by having a funny personality, not hawt ABS, period.

Hot abs trigger her interest, that's how I get my bitch interested in me according to her own account. And I don't have a six-pack or anything, I was just lean and looked good under the shirt.

[Ülev]

run away from the restaurant

[Kazimiera]

I think it depends on who invites who. If the man invites, that means he is prepared to pay for it. If the woman invites, then she is the one to pay for it. It is rude to tell someone you want to go out and then expect them to foot the bill. My husband will say one evening he's in the mood for pizza, let's go out. Then I know he has the money to pay for it. Or I will say I am in the mood for Chinese, then I will pay for it. If we decide together that we are going to go somewhere we split the bill. It's nice to go out and neither one of you can always afford to pay everything on your own, so you have an agreement, you have a wonderful time and you split the bill. Win-win for both parties.

[Dick]

run away from the restaurant

Dine and dash on a first date always gets you laid. Chicks love the excitement and naughtiness of it.

[Also]

What's the point of saying "whomever asks the other out should pay for both" if it is a consistent social rule that the man has to ask the woman out? At most a woman might stay around showing interest and say "so.... aren't you going to ask me out?" but it's an exception to have a woman outright taking the lead and asking the man out.

If you are not a kid, you should try to pay for your stuff even if someone invited you because it is your choice to accept. If you currently prefer not to afford the expenses suggest a cheaper alternative program.

[Mraz]

I only go get some coffee and a discussion, it's enough to know if a girl is worth investment or not. When I talk about investment it's max a mc donald and she better not make the mistake to select the maxi menu. :mad:

[Raikaswinþs]

no one. dates are retarded.

[MissMischief]

Meh, I don't like to be paid for, especially if I don't know the guy too well. It makes me feel awkward - like I owe him, or am in his debt. I don't want him to expect something in return.

Plus, I don't agree with the idea that guys should be gentlemanly and should pay on a date. I earn my own money, I can pay my own way, too! That is why I would want to split the bill or, in the pub, buy a round of drinks and then the guy buys the next one.

The occasional treat is okay, I guess but I would only expect that if we had been dating for a while.

[UkrainianGirl]

The first date the guy must pay in my opinion and the guys I dated seemed to know this without me telling them so that I am happy about lol. But after the first date I do not want the guy paying all the time. I will feel like I am broke and can't do something in the relationship. So big no no. I want to feel a part if the relationship so I will want to pay too. I also wouldn't want anyone to think I was using him and having him spend his money on me only. I am not selfish. In my ten year relationship we took turns paying and we set that rule early on. Was never an issue. If we forgot who paid last we did a fun game and the loser got to pay. Lol

[Kazimiera]

The first date the guy must pay in my opinion and the guys I dated seemed to know this without me telling them so that I am happy about lol. But after the first date I do not want the guy paying all the time. I will feel like I am broke and can't do something in the relationship. So big no no. I want to feel a part if the relationship so I will want to pay too. I also wouldn't want anyone to think I was using him and having him spend his money on me only. I am not selfish. In my ten year relationship we took turns paying and we set that rule early on. Was never an issue. If we forgot who paid last we did a fun game and the loser got to pay. Lol

My husband and I have a bet on. If Trump wins, I pay for dinner. If Hillary wins, he pays for dinner. Either way, we are going for dinner. If a third party candidate wins, I suppose we split the bill or don't go for dinner at all. :lol:

[LieDetector]

The guy must pay, ALWAYS.

[Bezprym]

The government should pay. If the government wants more children to be born, they should care more.

[Annie999]

In my mind a real gentlemen would pay,especially on the first few dates.
But after you get in a relationship, you should deffintley split the costs.

^ This.


Btw, on first dates I've always offered to pay my half, but I expect the guy to say "no it's OK, it's on me". Then after a while bills and must be somehow divided, I'd feel completely useless if the guy paid for everything. Also that would give the guy a lot of power in the relationship, that wouldn't be too good. Anyways, I won't lie I'm flattered when my bf invites me dinner or whatever. Doesn't mean he HAS to do it all the time, and I had invited him some times too.

[UkrainianGirl]

My husband and I have a bet on. If Trump wins, I pay for dinner. If Hillary wins, he pays for dinner. Either way, we are going for dinner. If a third party candidate wins, I suppose we split the bill or don't go for dinner at all. :lol:

Hahahahaha fun. Something I would bet on too but haven't yet lol. Either way Kaz you get ready for your awesome dinner with your awesome man :)

[Astral]

Date is not about food or drink. If you like a person very much and want to spoil him/her, paying is offering to buy him/her a gift of food or drink. Which is OK.

The other person should never look at this as an opportunity to save money, but instead as actually a big deal. Don't EVER take this for granted or expect this.

Offering to at least participate, even if rejected is a BIG plus in my eyes!


This goes for the first dates only. Later on it is totally alright to split payment - each pays his own / make some sort of deal (I'll pay now, you'll pay next time) / let the wealthier or working one pay (though not always, and modesty is important), and so on.

[Dick]

men should pay every date.

Woman, be quiet. I'm not paying for the food all the time.

[XvThomas_LysergicV]

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[Colonel Frank Grimes]

First few times the guy and then it's split. Although I have this bad habit of trying to pay for it all afterwards and they've always argued with me or try to pay the whole dinner the next day or whenever to even it out. But I always felt uncomfortable about them doing that and for a long time I didn't understand why I felt that way until realized I was trying to hold something over the woman. It's kind of like having a 'get out of jail free card' in Monopoly. I didn't have to feel too bad if I fucked up in some way (being late for her play, for example) cuz I paid for the dinners. I know that's fucked up. I've changed! I've evolved! Although I can't shake off feeling uncomfortable about a woman splitting the check with me.

[Dema]

Man should always pay

[N1019]

There are variables to consider.

Splitting the bill at least for the first few dates is perfectly acceptable and perhaps the most reasonable position in the modern age, where women typically have their own income. I think you'll find many men are happy to pay for a traditional feminine woman, if she lives up to those characteristics. But few do.

Put it this way, if I dated a feminist, I wouldn't be rushing to pay for her, especially on the first date. In fact, since feminism is decidedly unattractive, she ought to pay for me or at least try to. It has happened, I'm pleased to advise.

In the modern Western world, under no circumstances should a man always pay for all dates where the woman is employed and strives to be independent. Such men will only end up being used. It's not respectable.

Any man who repeatedly pays for women with whom he is not having sex is just a bitch.

[UkrainianGirl]

First few times the guy and then it's split. Although I have this bad habit of trying to pay for it all afterwards and they've always argued with me or try to pay the whole dinner the next day or whenever to even it out. But I always felt uncomfortable about them doing that and for a long time I didn't understand why I felt that way until realized I was trying to hold something over the woman. It's kind of like having a 'get out of jail free card' in Monopoly. I didn't have to feel too bad if I fucked up in some way (being late for her play, for example) cuz I paid for the dinners. I know that's fucked up. I've changed! I've evolved! Although I can't shake off feeling uncomfortable about a woman splitting the check with me.

See I would get that uncomfortable feeling too if the man always paid. It like makes me think that he thinks I have no money or can't contribute in the relationship. It's fine with me if he pays most or the time or if it's half and half. Just if it's always it like belittles me lol. But I agree with you that on the first few times he should do it. That looks sweet lol.

But good opinion I like it :)

[Bezprym]

Woman, be quiet. I'm not paying for the food all the time.

Why paying? Do it like our ancestors, man goes hunting, woman cooks, perfect date. No money involved.

[Dick]

Why paying? Do it like our ancestors, man goes hunting, woman cooks, perfect date. No money involved.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH BRO

[Sui Generis]

Woman, be quiet. I'm not paying for the food all the time.

Silly, if you want to understand main goal, you should read all writing not just last part. Lazy person :p


You can share payments. Or at least he can pay for first date but girl can make same at another dates too. There shoud not be a certain rule, men should pay every date.