Macedonian military pics

[Crn Volk]

Rapid Intervention Force (R.I.F) - Lions from 2001 conflict

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[Crn Volk]

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[Crn Volk]

Some more general military pics;

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[Crn Volk]

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[Vojnik]

Great pics. I think alot of people underestimate the military power of this small nation.

[poiuytrewq0987]

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I didn't know we had fighter jets? Attack helicopters sure but fighter jets? :confused:

Anyway, here's some pictures. :thumb001:

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[Romanion]

This is why RoM won't split apart, guerilla fighters can't fight against tanks or air support.

[Crn Volk]

I didn't know we had fighter jets? Attack helicopters sure but fighter jets? :confused:

We had four Sukhoi Su-25 jet fighters, that have since been retired in order to fit into NATO standards :mad:

They were used briefly in 2001.

[poiuytrewq0987]

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[poiuytrewq0987]

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[~Nik~]

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I love this russian style, with the bandana. :cool:

[Crn Volk]

Some pics of Macedonian Rangers;

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[Crn Volk]

Military exercise of ARM at Krivolak;

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[Crn Volk]

Military Police Battalion celebrated 7 May – the Day of the unit

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[Methmatician]

Why do some of them wear Balaclavas?

[Crn Volk]

Why do some of them wear Balaclavas?

To keep warm :wink

[Bugarash]

As one person use to say to me:

''Od makedonce,vojnik ne biduva.
Makedonce gravce tavce da ti napravi,orce da ti zaigra''

[Crn Volk]

As one person use to say to me:

''Od makedonce,vojnik ne biduva.
Makedonce gravce tavce da ti napravi,orce da ti zaigra''

of course an enemy of the Macedonians would say such a thing. Reality is different;

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December 16, 2009
SKOPJE, Macedonia — Navy Rear Adm. Andy Brown, EUCOM logistics director, pins a medal for distinguished service during Operation Iraqi Freedom on a soldier from the Army Republic of Macedonia. Macedonia committed more than 500 soldiers to the operation in Iraq and their forces are currently supporting coalition efforts in Afghanistan.

[Bugarash]

of course an enemy of the Macedonians would say such a thing. Reality is different;

http://www.eucom.mil/Img/18235/HiRes/eucom-photo.jpg

December 16, 2009
SKOPJE, Macedonia — Navy Rear Adm. Andy Brown, EUCOM logistics director, pins a medal for distinguished service during Operation Iraqi Freedom on a soldier from the Army Republic of Macedonia. Macedonia committed more than 500 soldiers to the operation in Iraq and their forces are currently supporting coalition efforts in Afghanistan.

This is pretty pathetic
bragging about some medals who are given on a daily base is just:rolleyes:
There are even tv reports in Macedonia about this and how the americans were stunned how good macedonian soldiers are:D

I guess it makes them feel good that the american masters are giving them medals.Hurray!look at us,americans give us medals,how cool is that?

Thats one of the reasons why sometimes I feel ashamed I come from this country.

But still,I think that these are the complexes of the small and totaly unsignificant nations,plus Macedonia has some frustrations because it is faced only with defeats on all fields and being denied and unrecognized olso has it's influence.

[Arcaius]

This is pretty pathetic
bragging about some medals who are given on a daily base is just:rolleyes:
There are even tv reports in Macedonia about this and how the americans were stunned how good macedonian solers are:D

I guess it makes them feel good that the american masters are giving them medals.Hurray!look at us,americans give us medals,how cool is that?

Thats one of the reasons why sometimes I feel ashamed I come from this country.

But still,I think that these are the complexes of the small and totaly unsignificant nations,plus Macedonia has some frustrations because it is faced only with defeats on all fields and being denied and unrecognized olso has it's influence.

but you are NOTfrom this country :cool: no matter how much you try

[Bugarash]

but you are NOTfrom this country :cool: no matter how much you try

Son,you're more full of shit than the Vardar.

[Arcaius]

Son,you're more full of shit than the Vardar.

sure son :thumb001: .... but you are still bulgar :rolleyes2:
if's funny to try to fit in,in a place where nobody likes you ... actually it's sad

[Bugarash]

sure son :thumb001: .... but you are still bulgar :rolleyes2:
if's funny to try to fit in,in a place where nobody likes you ... actually it's sad

Fit in where?

You try to fit in in countries like Sweden,Germany,Holland.

Why would I need to fit in in FYR Macedonia?

[Arcaius]

Fit in where?

You try to fit in in countries like Sweden,Germany,Holland.

Why would I need to fit in in FYR Macedonia?

EXACTLY my point.... dont try :D nobody likes you in anyway...

and if you really dont like then stop saying what you are and what you are not... and take off those tags you have pls... learn what they meant then use them...

and about Sweden and Norway... if they don't like me they will boot me out...exactly what i'm telling you sunshine,but you come again begging for my love :/

[Bugarash]

EXACTLY my point.... dont try :D nobody likes you in anyway...

and if you really dont like then stop saying what you are and what you are not... and take off those tags you have pls... learn what they meant then use them...

and about Sweden and Norway... if they don't like me they will boot me out...exactly what i'm telling you sunshine,but you come again begging for my love :/

I feel as it is my mission to spread bulgarism in the macedonian lands,life,through the net,anyway I can.

I am loyal only to Bulgaria.
And Im a big supporter for the cause for creating a weak Serbia and a unstable Macedonia which currently serves as a serbomanic puppet state.

Thats me my man
And if someone has a problem with it
I just dont give a...;)
A man has to have a national goal in his life,besides his personal desire for personal achievements.

[Vojnik]

You are a sad individual Bugarash. How can you at the same time spread "Bulgarism" in Macedonia and also wish for Macedonia to become apart of Albania? I don't get your twisted logic.

You see Goce Delcev and Dame Gruev as Bulgarians right? well you must be aware that they fought for a Independent Macedonian state for the Macedonians? So what exactly do you support?

[poiuytrewq0987]

You are a sad individual Bugarash. How can you at the same time spread "Bulgarism" in Macedonia and also wish for Macedonia to become apart of Albania? I don't get your twisted logic.

You see Goce Delcev and Dame Gruev as Bulgarians right? well you must be aware that they fought for a Independent Macedonian state for the Macedonians? So what exactly do you support?

They were autonomists. To use a modern comparison, they wanted to create a Kosovo temporarily so they could unify with Albania later.

[Vojnik]

They were autonomists. To use a modern comparison, they wanted to create a Kosovo temporarily so they could unify with Albania later.

That is not the point I was trying to make. I just do not understand how a pro- Bulgarian such as Bugarash has no desire for a unity between Macedonia and Bulgaria, and admits it by saying that Bulgaria has no desire at all to unite with a "poor, resourceless, multicultural country like Macedonia". Instead he wishes for instability and Albanian occupation of Macedonia. I just don't understand what his stance is. Is he pro-Bulgarian or pro-Albanian? I will just place him as simply anti-Macedonian (textbook).

[Bugarash]

You are a sad individual Bugarash. How can you at the same time spread "Bulgarism" in Macedonia and also wish for Macedonia to become apart of Albania? I don't get your twisted logic.

You see Goce Delcev and Dame Gruev as Bulgarians right? well you must be aware that they fought for a Independent Macedonian state for the Macedonians? So what exactly do you support?

Our ideas will spread faster in a albanian macedonia then in a serbomanic macedonia.:thumbs up

Yeah,indipendent Macedonia with it's bulgarian population!
now we have a bunch of proancient serbomans who think they are ethnic macedonians-Nothing to do with the ideas and goals of VMRO.

The VMRO killed serbomans and macedonists.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Our ideas will spread faster in a albanian macedonia then in a serbomanic macedonia.:thumbs up

Yeah,indipendent Macedonia with it's bulgarian population!
now we have a bunch of proancient serbomans who think they are ethnic macedonians-Nothing to do with the ideas and goals of VMRO.

The VMRO killed serbomans and macedonists.

I understand what you mean. Things have to really get really bad, all the old foundations built up during the Yugoslavia years have to completely collapse. If 1.2 million Macedonians have to live under an Albanian Macedonia then old VMRO might be revived and it wouldn't take on a pro-Serbian, pro-Macedonist course but rather a pro-Bulgarian course...

That said, it's very unlikely for just 500,000 Albanians to rule over 1.2 million Macedonians, and their brothers in Kosovo or even Albania simply don't have the military power to support Macedonia Albanians. At best, Macedonians might lose territories from the Polog to Pelagonia but such event would give way to a surge of a struggle, a patriotic war in a sense, to reclaim lost lands from Albanians.

[morski]

As one person use to say to me:

''Od makedonce,vojnik ne biduva.
Makedonce gravce tavce da ti napravi,orce da ti zaigra''

The Macedonian-Adrianopolitan Volunteers Corps was full of outstanding soldiers.

Also, don't forget general Kliment Boyadzhiev from Ohrid who got the Serbs out of Macedonia running for their lives in the Albo mountains.

[poiuytrewq0987]

The Macedonian-Adrianopolitan Volunteers Corps was full of outstanding soldiers.

Also, don't forget general Kliment Boyadzhiev from Ohrid who got the Serbs out of Macedonia running for their lives in the Albo mountains.

I've been reading the Bulgarian wiki on certain villages. A lot of informative stuff on there. And apparently, a village near mine, Klechevce (http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%86%D0%B5) was a Serboman-Turkish village! I'm glad I don't have relatives from there! Beljakovce indeed has a glorious history as resistance fighters and supporters of a united Macedonia and Bulgaria. :thumb001:

[Bugarash]

The Macedonian-Adrianopolitan Volunteers Corps was full of outstanding soldiers.

Also, don't forget general Kliment Boyadzhiev from Ohrid who got the Serbs out of Macedonia running for their lives in the Albo mountains.

Well todays macedonians are pussies
the albanians put them in a bottle

[Crn Volk]

Well todays macedonians are pussies
the albanians put them in a bottle


Bugarash you are a perfect example of why Macedonians and Bulgarians can never get closer. Keep it up mate, you're going great.

[Bugarash]

Bugarash you are a perfect example of why Macedonians and Bulgarians can never get closer. Keep it up mate, you're going great.

Im just being real:coffee:

[Vojnik]

Im just being real:coffee:

I wonder where Macedonia would be if we had more 'real' people like you, in Albanian hands I suppose. :confused:

[Bugarash]

I wonder where Macedonia would be if we had more 'real' people like you, in Albanian hands I suppose. :confused:

You would be a state with a territory still bigger than the one of Slovenia,with 80% of the population macedonians,with a much lower crime rate and a higher standard of living.

And in a better position in terms of the name issue with Greece because you wouldnt have the albanian preassure pushing towards a quik solution under the threats coming from within.

But since you didint listen to people like me,you are what you are now.;)

[iNird]

I wonder where Macedonia would be if we had more 'real' people like you, in Albanian hands I suppose. :confused:

As some Albanians say there are no Macedonians in Macedonia, there are Bulgarians and serbs tho. Wake up dude, stop living in a dream and let the inner Bulgar come out.

:)

[Flintlocke]

They look impressive but how well are they trained? Having a fancy outfit does not put bullets down range.

[Bugarash]

They look impressive but how well are they trained? Having a fancy outfit does not put bullets down range.

Back in 2001 a bunch of albanians from the mountains with only AK-47's in their hands came within a 15 km range from the center of Skopje.

Thats how good they're trained

[Vojnik]

You would be a state with a territory still bigger than the one of Slovenia,with 80% of the population macedonians,with a much lower crime rate and a higher standard of living.

And giving land to the Albanians over 10 years ago would of solved the issue? Albanians still would of moved back into Macedonia. We would be in the same situation as weare today.

The crime in Macedonia is mostly just petty theft anyway.

And how would you have garanteed a higher standard of living?


And in a better position in terms of the name issue with Greece because you wouldnt have the albanian preassure pushing towards a quik solution under the threats coming from within.

And what would of you named us?


But since you didint listen to people like me,you are what you are now.;)

Funny because a person like you is Georgievski, but he was one of the signatories to the Ohrid agreement, but yet you are against that agreement.

[Vojnik]

As some Albanians say there are no Macedonians in Macedonia, there are Bulgarians and serbs tho. Wake up dude, stop living in a dream and let the inner Bulgar come out.

:)

Sorry bro, it ain't that easy. My Grandfather calls himself Macedonian and so did his father. In fact, my grandfather told me that when he was a little boy, the Bulgarians came to his village and forced the villagers to identify as Bulgarians, they would say "yous are Bulgarians" and the people would say "yes, we are Bulgarians", in fear. And the Serbs came and forced them to identify as Serbs, they would say "yous are Serbs" and the villagers would say "yes, we are Serbs", in fear. So no, I am Macedonian.

[Bugarash]

And giving land to the Albanians over 10 years ago would of solved the issue? Albanians still would of moved back into Macedonia.

Yeah,they are cattle and just move from place to place...leave everything and move...how can they just move back?


The crime in Macedonia is mostly just petty theft anyway.

the albanian mafia is petty theft?


And how would you have garanteed a higher standard of living?

Not having albanians within the state will have it garanteed...
Macedonia will be much more mobiled...


Funny because a person like you is Georgievski, but he was one of the signatories to the Ohrid agreement, but yet you are against that agreement.

So?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Sorry bro, it ain't that easy. My Grandfather calls himself Macedonian and so did his father. In fact, my grandfather told me that when he was a little boy, the Bulgarians came to his village and forced the villagers to identify as Bulgarians, they would say "yous are Bulgarians" and the people would say "yes, we are Bulgarians", in fear. And the Serbs came and forced them to identify as Serbs, they would say "yous are Serbs" and the villagers would say "yes, we are Serbs", in fear. So no, I am Macedonian.

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[iNird]

the albanian mafia is petty theft


Like Ushtari would say, already been posted, already been debunked.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51738

[poiuytrewq0987]

Like Ushtari would say, already been posted, already been debunked.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51738

whattttt the albanian stole my bike...

[Bugarash]

Sorry bro, it ain't that easy. My Grandfather calls himself Macedonian and so did his father. In fact, my grandfather told me that when he was a little boy, the Bulgarians came to his village and forced the villagers to identify as Bulgarians, they would say "yous are Bulgarians" and the people would say "yes, we are Bulgarians", in fear. And the Serbs came and forced them to identify as Serbs, they would say "yous are Serbs" and the villagers would say "yes, we are Serbs", in fear. So no, I am Macedonian.

Yeah right
and your grandfather is probably some illiterate partisan.

The rural population of Macedonia hasn't got any education...
Even today when they take their pensions they use an X for their signature.

Something you cant find in Bulgaria for example.

People with no eduation are manipulated easily.And what your granfather said to you proves nothing.

The proof i what the revolutionaries,poets...of Macedonia said,,wrote and fought for.

[Vojnik]

Yeah right
and your grandfather is probably some illiterate partisan.

No, he's not a Partisan.


The rural population of Macedonia hasn't got any education...
Even today when they take their pensions they use an X for their signature.

My Dedo can sign his name, speak for your own.


Something you cant find in Bulgaria for example.

So what, now you are saying Bulgarian seniors are smarter then Macedonian seniors?


People with no eduation are manipulated easily.And what your granfather said to you proves nothing.

It proves alot. He witnessed how both Serbs and Bulgarians were trying to force their sick ideas down the peoples throats.


The proof i what the revolutionaries,poets...of Macedonia said,,wrote and fought for.

When you see quotes from those type of people you must take into account that they were subject to alot of outside influence. So when you see Pro-Bulgarian or Pro-Serb quotes, then you must be cautious of their true legitimacy. Now when you see Pro-Macedonian quotes, those are legitimate, because no other nation surrounding us was forcing Macedonism on us. The Macedonian concious was naturally formed and hated by the Bulgarians and Serbs.

[ioan assen]

its not true that no other nation forced macedonism on the Macedonians:
While previously Stoyan Novakovich had criticised the chauvinistic policies of individuals like Milojevich, times had changed and now as an eminent Serbian statesman he felt it his duty to support Serbian claims to the Macedonian territories. Therefore initially Novakovich attempted to show that Slavic dialects of Macedonia were not part of the Bulgarian language but actually part of the Serbian language. However because his study was dismissed by noted academics of the period, including Yagich, Miletic, Oblak and Derzhavin, he realised that this strategy could not succeed. Subsequently Novakovich advanced a thesis that in the late 9th century Macedonia had three ethnic Slavic groups - Bulgarian, Serbian and "Slovene" - and that these divisions still persisted and were identifiable in the present population. He outlined his theory in "First Foundations of Slavic Literature Amongst the Balkan Slavs", a 300 page monograph published in 1893 by the Serbian Academy of Sciences. What Novakovich had produced was a blueprint for "de-Bulgarization" of the Macedonian Slavs by their "Macedonianization", if direct "Serbianization" could not be readily effected. The intent is explicitly confirmed by Novakovich's well known (and quoted) dispatch to the Serbian Minister of Education in 1888

"Since the Bulgarian idea, as it is well known to all, is deeply rooted in Macedonia, I think it is almost impossible to shake it completely by opposing it merely with the Serbian idea. This idea, we fear, would be incapable, as opposition pure and simple, of suppressing the Bulgarian idea. That is why the Serbian idea will need an ally that could stand in direct opposition to the Bulgarianism and would contain in itself the elements which could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This ally I see in the Macedonism or to a certain extent in our nursing the Macedonian dialect and Macedonian separatism."

[ioan assen]

The rise of Serbian claims on Macedonia:

In 1822 the Serbian folklorist and linguistic, Vuk Stefanovich Karadjich (1787-1864), published the first work containing grammatical facts about the Bulgarian language. His primary aim was to point out that the Bulgarian language existed, even though it was absent in the dictionaries published in Russia during the late 18th century and which were deemed to contain all languages known at that time. Interestingly Karadjich's analysis of the Bulgarian language was based on the Macedonian dialects.

Prior to formation of the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870, there was a small, but influential group of Serbians, mainly politicians and some academics, who supported the concept of a "Greater Serbia". However, this was not the popular view and most Serbians saw Bulgarians as their Slav brothers and foresaw a close future relationship. For example in 1867 the Bulgarian emigrants in Bucharest had negotiated an agreement with the Serbians which included the following paramount clause

The Yugoslavian kingdom will be composed of Serbians and Bulgarians, the latter comprising the territories of Bulgaria, Thrace and Macedonia

Ilija Garashanin (1812-1874) was a distinguished Serbian statesman and the main architect of Serbian state policy between 1843-1868. In 1844 he published a blueprint, known as "Nachertanije" (Outline), describing future Serbian territorial ambitions. A plan modelled directly on Dushan's medieval empire - that is including both Macedonia and Old Serbia. But, at the same time Garashanin also encouraged a diplomatic policy of strong support for Bulgarian revolutionary activity against the Turks.

In fact it was 1848 Garashanin who arranged for the Bosnian Croat, Stefan Verkovich (1821-1893), on the pretext of completing Karadjich's linguistic research, to tour Macedonia and covertly collect ethnographic data ultimately be used as support for long- term Serbian hegemony. However in 1860, when the Serbian Academic Society published Verkovich's first volume of "Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian" awarding him the Serbian "Uceno Druzestvo" (Scholar's Society), in his preface Verkovich said:

I call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav "what are you?" he would be immediately be told: "I am Bulgarian" and would call his language 'Bulgarian'.

Another champion of "Greater Serbia" was Professor Jovan Dragashevich who identified all Macedonians as latent Serbs. For example during the time of the First Bulgarian Legion in Belgrade (1862-4), acrimonious debate erupted between the Bulgarians and their Serbian hosts, over Dragashevich's "teachings" that Salonika was an integral part of "Old Serbia". It was also then that Georgi Rakvosky became conscious of increasing Serbian fanaticism and a desire by its politicians to annex Bulgaria both politically and culturally. These issues, together with settlement of the 1862 dispute between Serbia and Turkey, contributed to the expulsion of the Bulgarian Legion from Serbia.

Inspite of the close relationship between Serbians and Bulgarians, finance from the Serbian government for the "education" of the Macedonian Slavs was initiated in 1866. This led to the "Institute for Serbian Schools in Old Serbia and Macedonia" (1868), formed to coordinate both the building of schools and educational policy.

The Serbian Church had lent support to the Bulgarians in their struggle to establish the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870; Serbs in general rejoiced at the success of their southern Slav brothers. However when the limits of the Bulgarian Exarchate became defined in 1872, more Serbs began to reflect the long-term political implications. Moreover the Serbian Church had always considered itself heir to the Bulgarian Archbishopric of Ohrid, because of its past subordination to the Pech Patriarchate. Consequently the Serbian Church had requested in 1869 that Turkey only allow Serbian clergy to operate within Macedonia.

Milosh S Milojevich (1840-1897) was the first Serbian to publicly challenge the prevailing consensus concerning the Exarchate's boundaries and the ethnic composition of the Macedonian territories. In 1873 he presented a paper to the Serbian Scholar's Society which characterised the Slavic population of Macedonia as Serbian - a basic repetition of Garashanin's beliefs. Milojevich's thesis was severely criticised by two other Society members, Stoyan Novakovich (1842-1915) and Milan Kujundjich. The latter described Milojevich as

..a cheap, mischievous chauvinist, ignominiously condemned by his fellow countrymen for having committed an unfriendly act against a good neighbour.

Thus Milojevich's effort to publish a collection of 740 folk songs, gathered in Old Serbia and Macedonia, as examples of the Serbian language and culture, was rejected by the Serbian Scholars' Society as being flawed.

Nevertheless, Milojevich still found strong support and instituted a society (called by Hristo Botev the 'gang of blackguards') which sent money, books and teachers to Macedonia and parts of north- west Bulgaria. Editorials also appeared in Belgrade newspapers like "Istok", stating that the Exarchate was a chauvinistic institution intent on 'bulgarizing' the Serbs of Macedonian. In answer to such accusations many eminent Bulgarians, including Hristo Botev (1875) and Liuben Karavelov (1874), wrote scathing replies denouncing both the actions of Milojevich and his supporters as well as the Serbian government's surreptitious complicity.

The Russo-Turkish war of 1878 had a number of dire consequences for Serbian nationalistic goals. Because of its support for Russia, Turkey closed all Serbian schools within Macedonia. The Treaty of San Stefano in 1878 demonstrated to Serbian politicians that there existed a strong and general acceptance that Macedonia was populated by Bulgarians. Later in 1881 Serbian hopes to annex Bosnia and Herzegovina had to be abandoned, which meant redirecting its quest for an outlet to the Aegean - via Macedonia. These setbacks led Serbia to instigate the Serbo-Bulgarian war of 1885, which ended in its convincing defeat. Thus to accomplish, what it had failed to do militarily, Serbia now pursued two separate tactics to enhance its future claims to Macedonia. The first was based on proving directly that Macedonia was actually populated by Serbs not Bulgarians; the second involved fostering nascent Macedonian separatism (Macedonism) as a counter to Bulgarian influence.

In the late 1880s several Serbian academics, particularly Dragashevich, Milojko Veselinovich and Stojan Protich rationalised the seeming contradiction of the Macedonian population's non- Serbian identity as follows. First, the term "bulgar" within Macedonia was in fact a generic term meaning a "common person", and as such had no ethnographic meaning. The term "bulgar" had thus been misinterpreted by both the Greeks and European travellers to signify national affiliation, thus leading to the erroneous conclusion that the people had a Bulgarian self- identity. Second, after formation of the Serbian state, the Turkish authorities were anti-Serbian, therefore most Serbs preferred to call themselves "bulgars" to escape persecution. Third, in the post Exarchate era, propaganda forced people to identify themselves as "bulgars" so that the necessary signatures would be available to establish a Bulgarian Church - that is the Exarchate had become an "institution for the Bulgarization of the Serbs".

Spiridon Gopchevich, a Serbian diplomat and Milojevich adherent, made a brief to Macedonia in 1889 and on his return published an ethnographic map which characterising the Macedonian population right up to Nevrokop, Salonica and the Grammos mountains, as Serbian. The renown scholar, Vatroslav Yagich (1838-1923), editor of "Archiv fur Slavische Philologie" (1875-1923) made the following comment on Gopochevich's study -

to attack the tendentiously uncritical arguments of Gopochevich is unnecessary; his work condemns itself. It is a pity about the good paper and fine printing, the two most admirable aspects of the book.

Nevertheless, Gopochevich's study was accepted, endorsed and promoted by the Serbian government as further vindication of their position on the Macedonian Question.

While previously Stoyan Novakovich had criticised the chauvinistic policies of individuals like Milojevich, times had changed and now as an eminent Serbian statesman he felt it his duty to support Serbian claims to the Macedonian territories. Therefore initially Novakovich attempted to show that Slavic dialects of Macedonia were not part of the Bulgarian language but actually part of the Serbian language. However because his study was dismissed by noted academics of the period, including Yagich, Miletic, Oblak and Derzhavin, he realised that this strategy could not succeed. Subsequently Novakovich advanced a thesis that in the late 9th century Macedonia had three ethnic Slavic groups - Bulgarian, Serbian and "Slovene" - and that these divisions still persisted and were identifiable in the present population. He outlined his theory in "First Foundations of Slavic Literature Amongst the Balkan Slavs", a 300 page monograph published in 1893 by the Serbian Academy of Sciences. What Novakovich had produced was a blueprint for "de-Bulgarization" of the Macedonian Slavs by their "Macedonianization", if direct "Serbianization" could not be readily effected. The intent is explicitly confirmed by Novakovich's well known (and quoted) dispatch to the Serbian Minister of Education in 1888

Since the Bulgarian idea, as it is well known to all, is deeply rooted in Macedonia, I think it is almost impossible to shake it completely by opposing it merely with the Serbian idea. This idea, we fear, would be incapable, as opposition pure and simple, of suppressing the Bulgarian idea. That is why the Serbian idea will need an ally that could stand in direct opposition to the Bulgarianism and would contain in itself the elements which could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This ally I see in the Macedonism or to a certain extent in our nursing the Macedonian dialect and Macedonian separatism.

Novakovich's ideas were later amplified and extended, first by Iovan Cvijich, and later by Alexander Belitch. It is important to state that the theory of the three Slavic groups, propounded by Novakovich, Cvijich and Belitch was considered unsubstantiated by the available evidence; a position held by most academics including both Yagich and Niederle.

During the 1880s Novakovich effected several important plans to expand the concept of "Macedonism" (Macedonian Separatism) amongst the Macedonian population. Although the Novakovich's strategy can only be described as a failure, its formulation and intent leads to some important historic conclusions regarding the national consciousness (within that era) of the Macedonian people.

The Society of St Sava (founded in 1886) was the chief organ for dissemination of Serbian propaganda on the Macedonian Question and Novakovich was intricately involved behind its agenda and policies. During the same year four members of a secret Macedonian committee in Sofia, went to Belgrade to secure support for their proposed actions in Macedonia. Their plans included the restoration of the Ohrida Diocese, publication of a newspaper "Macedonian Voice" in Istanbul, opening schools where teachers used the "Macedonian" language, and to have all educational literature printed in the Macedonian dialect. Shortly thereafter Novakovich took up his appointment as Serbian consul in Istanbul, where he met with two members of the Macedonian committee to initiate the plan. Although this was only partially successful, Serbian schools were opened in Macedonia, and books were printed in the Macedonian dialect. The latter were based on an increasing Serbian language content as the educational standard increased. However in 1898 when asked with respect to the reprinting of these texts in the Macedonian dialect, Novakovich recommended only the Serbian language should be used - the anticipated attraction of the Macedonian dialect had not eventuated.

The Society of St Sava also offered well-paid scholarships to Macedonians in the hope they could ultimately be turned against the Bulgarian idea. Between 1888 and 1889 quite a number of Macedonians accepted these scholarships and went to Belgrade. They soon became aware of the obvious underlying reasons behind the program however, especially when they were forbidden to possess "Bulgarian" literature. Subsequently some 30 to 40 students left Belgrade to continue their education elsewhere, mostly Sofia. Among that group were some later very well-known figures - Dame Gruev, Petar Pop Arsov and Krste Misirkov. It must be considered more than coincidental that two of the latter individuals (PPA, and especially KM) shortly thereafter proffered views on the Macedonian Question that in essence supported the covert intent of Novakovich's theory. However it was during Novakovich's appointment as consul at St Petersburg that the staunchest and most dogmatic advocate of "Macedonism", Dimitur Chupovski, arose. Again we note that Chupovski and his small group of followers were directly supported by the St Sava Society and had an almost identical agenda to that of the four Macedonians that met with Novakovich in Belgrade during 1886. It did not matter to Novakovich that "Macedonism" was also essentially anti-Serbian, as long as it opposed or slowed the spread of Bulgarian influence within Macedonia.

An important historic issue is the reaction to both Serbian propaganda and Macedonism within Macedonia itself. First, it is known that one of the main reasons for the establishment of IMRO by Dame Gruev in 1893 was to block the spread of Serbian influence into Macedonia, less it hinder the ultimate unification of the Bulgarian people. Thus although IMRO's short-term goal was autonomy, its long-term goal was unification, as had occurred with East Rumelia. There can be no doubt IMRO was a Bulgarian organization, protecting the Bulgarian national interest against the Serbs. Several other organizations also formed within Macedonia (1897) to oppose Serbian propaganda - the Revolutionary Brotherhood and the Charitable Brotherhood - the latter to specifically undermine Serbian schools, a strategy in which it was quite successful. Even earlier (1891), Gyorche Petrov, later a famous IMRO committee member, was so concerned by the obvious Serbian schemes that he spent his time exclusively on ethnographic research in Skopje to ensure the availability of indisputable evidence to support the "Bulgarian" character of the Macedonian population.

As for "Macedonism", the memoirs of Hristo Shaldev which discuss Dimitur Chupovski, plainly show how few adherents this concept had in 1903. We also have to accept that Krste Misirkov only promoted the concept of "Macedonism" when he felt the Bulgarian position in Macedonia was irrevocably lost - as in 1903 after Ilinden (when he wrote "On Macedonian Matters") and after WWI. At all other times he was a staunch advocate of the Bulgarian character of Macedonia. Misirkov's pro-Macedonism arguments were resurrected and re-packaged by the Comintern in 1934 as evidence for a "Macedonian Nation". Novakovich did not live to see the success of the strategy he first devised in the middle 1880s - a plan which undoubtedly has prevented the historic reunion of the Bulgarian people. Dame Gruev and IMRO were correct in their assessment of the danger of Serbian influence.

In his memoirs (finished 18 Aug 1947) Hristo Shaldev speaks for all Macedonian patriots when he writes

I am saddened that I cannot spend the remaining years of my life in Gumendje, and at the same time I am indignant that the youngest generation of Vardar Macedonia has disavowed both the achievements and self-determination of their fathers, grand-fathers and great-grand-fathers and has been misled by the Serbian theories of Professors Novakovich, Cvijich and Belich.

[Methmatician]

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[Methmatician]

I was on the highway in Skopje a couple of years ago and there was a military tank on the side of the road facing the opposite direction of the traffic (like it was checking speed of cars or something). Is this common? Does anyone know why it was there?

[poiuytrewq0987]

I was on the highway in Skopje a couple of years ago and there was a military tank on the side of the road facing the opposite direction of the traffic (like it was checking speed of cars or something). Is this common? Does anyone know why it was there?

Sounds like you should have pulled over and asked. :wink

[Crn Volk]

Some more pics of the RIF Lions;

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[Crn Volk]

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[Crn Volk]

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[Crn Volk]

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[Vojnik]

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[Dorian]

You funny mo*****rs
*Sees thread title*
*Opens*
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[Genovefa]

You funny mo*****rs
*Sees thread title*
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https://i.postimg.cc/DZ1LfzSn/dasdasdas.jpg (https://postimg.cc/625yYtVm)

Oh I thought the images weren't loading for me or something, now I understand :lol:

[Crn Volk]

Macedonian Rangers with Vermont National Guard fighting Taliban in Afghanistan

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[Crn Volk]

Macedonian Wolves


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[DarknessWin]

Is this photos from the Greek army of macedonia ????

[Crn Volk]

Is this photos from the Greek army of macedonia ????

No but that army and the Macedonian Army could be training together soon

https://greekcitytimes.com/2019/03/16/greece-north-macedonia-explore-defence/

[Dorian]

Oh got it now!so the personnel&camps of serres&drama or something will merge?

[Crn Volk]

Oh got it now!so the personnel&camps of serres&drama or something will merge?

Haven't you heard Thessaloniki is the future capital of the Balkans....

https://greekcitytimes.com/2019/03/06/thessaloniki-soon-to-be-the-capital-of-the-balkans-us-ambassador/

[Vojnik]

Is this photos from the Greek army of macedonia ????

Macedonian army of Macedonia. Makes more sense.

[DarknessWin]

Macedonian army of Macedonia. Makes more sense.

Your name is North Macedonia so a part of Greece now like Cyprus

[DarknessWin]

No but that army and the Macedonian Army could be training together soon

https://greekcitytimes.com/2019/03/16/greece-north-macedonia-explore-defence/

I know history and Macedonia is part of Greece thousand of years.
So when i see macedonian army then its part of Greek army

You are part of Greece now , noone forced you too choose this name so stop crying now

[Crn Volk]

I know history and Macedonia is part of Greece thousand of years.
So when i see macedonian army then its part of Greek army

You are part of Greece now , noone forced you too choose this name so stop crying now

Why no Greek flag here?? Uncle Sam remembers...

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[Crn Volk]

United Macedonia tri prsta from Macedonian soldiers

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[-Invictus-]

Getting ready to fight the Tatars and make Macedonia great again!

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Sorry if some forum warriors recognize themselves.

[Vojnik]

^ I’d dress up like that at a party. Would be fun. Not sure why you are posting it here though.

[Crn Volk]

Bulgarian special forces

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^ I’d dress up like that at a party. Would be fun. Not sure why you are posting it here though.

To bring back to life this forgotten thread with examples of authentic representation of the ancient Macedonian armory and weaponry.

Glad that you take it lightheartedly. I also had fun when finding these pictures of Lidl Macedon soldiers.

@Crn Volk, why did you have to reveal our secret? Now how are we going to occupy Macedonia without our pig owning Tatar Gypsy Nazi Hobo on a bike? I know that this kind of military technology is impressive, but this is a thread for the Macedonian military, not the Bulgarian.

[Vojnik]

To bring back to life this forgotten thread with examples of authentic representation of the ancient Macedonian armory and weaponry.

Glad that you take it lightheartedly. I also had fun when finding these pictures of Lidl Macedon soldiers.

@Crn Volk, why did you have to reveal our secret? Now how are we going to occupy Macedonia without our pig owning Tatar Gypsy Nazi Hobo on a bike? I know that this kind of military technology is impressive, but this is a thread for the Macedonian military, not the Bulgarian.

We love our ancient linage. Nothing wrong with that. Like you Bulgarians love your ancient Bulgar linage.

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We love our ancient linage. Nothing wrong with that. Like you Bulgarians love your ancient Bulgar linage.

Yeah, nothing wrong with appreciating your region's history. I may take your advice and dress up as an ancient warrior for fun. I'm not sure which identity is more ancient and cooler though. The Roman Empire ruled the territory where I live now only 2000 years ago and was pretty cool. Also I actually live less than 5 kms away from the ruins of a Roman city. From today I'm direct descendant of Julius Caesar! I'll dress up as Roman Centurion with a plastic sword from Jumbo and march in the center of my city. I kinda lack the gigantic golden looking statue to make me swaggy as The Original First Slav Descendants of Alexander The Great though. If Italians tell me "But Caesar and the Romans spoke Latin which is closest to Italian and Rome itself is in Italy" I'll answer "ITALIAN PROPAGANDA! Romans lived at my place for some time 2000 years ago and I'm 100% Roman. Doesn't matter what happened in the same territory for the last 2000 years before my sudden Roman reawakening. I speak Slavic language and I'm Roman, because the true history is that Romans were ancient Slavic tribe and all Slavic languages come from Latin. Your Latin is fake Latin and Western propaganda! Go back to your Italy and let me be Roman! Otherwise I'll call you Italiars, stealers of history and occupators. No... Actually you were Romans too! The real Slav Romans!!! But later you got occupied by Nazis and they altered the history of the great Slav Romans making them look more Western. You are the real Slav Romans living in delusion, writing in fake Westernized Latin script and thinking you're Italians and shit. All of the former Roman territory rightfully belongs to the Slav Romans. All people living there are us, but they don't know it. I am Octaviancho Avgustovski. God protect Slav Romans!"

I'll stop since the off topic is too strong now :D

[Crn Volk]

Yeah, nothing wrong with appreciating your region's history. I may take your advice and dress up as an ancient warrior for fun. I'm not sure which identity is more ancient and cooler though. The Roman Empire ruled the territory where I live now only 2000 years ago and was pretty cool. Also I actually live less than 5 kms away from the ruins of a Roman city. From today I'm direct descendant of Julius Caesar! I'll dress up as Roman Centurion with a plastic sword from Jumbo and march in the center of my city. I kinda lack the gigantic golden looking statue to make me swaggy as The Original First Slav Descendants of Alexander The Great though. If Italians tell me "But Caesar and the Romans spoke Latin which is closest to Italian and Rome itself is in Italy" I'll answer "ITALIAN PROPAGANDA! Romans lived at my place for some time 2000 years ago and I'm 100% Roman. Doesn't matter what happened in the same territory for the last 2000 years before my sudden Roman reawakening. I speak Slavic language and I'm Roman, because the true history is that Romans were ancient Slavic tribe and all Slavic languages come from Latin. Your Latin is fake Latin and Western propaganda! Go back to your Italy and let me be Roman! Otherwise I'll call you Italiars, stealers of history and occupators. No... Actually you were Romans too! The real Slav Romans!!! But later you got occupied by Nazis and they altered the history of the great Slav Romans making them look more Western. You are the real Slav Romans living in delusion, writing in fake Westernized Latin script and thinking you're Italians and shit. All of the former Roman territory rightfully belongs to the Slav Romans. All people living there are us, but they don't know it. I am Octaviancho Avgustovski. God protect Slav Romans!"

I'll stop since the off topic is too strong now :D

But you are named after a Turkic tribe and yet speak a slavic language. Weird

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But you are named after a Turkic tribe and yet speak a slavic language. Weird

Turkic tribe is a theory. The Bulgarian identity that unifies Bulgars, Slavs, Thracians, etc and gives them one Slavic Bulgarian language exists since 864(Christianization of Bulgaria). That's 1,156 years of a distinct Bulgarian identity that remains almost unchanged since it's creation.

Ancient Macedon kingdom existed from 808 BC to 168 BC. Ancient Macedonians spoke a Doric dialect of Greek - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_curse_tablet . Alexander created a big Greek cultured empire. It didn't last for long but it's remnants are more than clearly Greek - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Seleucid_rulers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom#Greek_culture_in_Bactria
Somehow 2,000 years later, the Macedonian identity is revived and it's no longer Greek, but Slavic. I think that the fact that the Macedonian identity and culture appeared almost out of nowhere after 2,000 years and also magically transformed into not only Slavic, but The Original First Slavic Cyril And Methodius Macedonians 4 Life, is the biggest sign that Jesus is Macedonian. Hallelujah!

[Crn Volk]

Turkic tribe is a theory. The Bulgarian identity that unifies Bulgars, Slavs, Thracians, etc and gives them one Slavic Bulgarian language exists since 864(Christianization of Bulgaria). That's 1,156 years of a distinct Bulgarian identity that remains almost unchanged since it's creation.

Ancient Macedon kingdom existed from 808 BC to 168 BC. Ancient Macedonians spoke a Doric dialect of Greek - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_curse_tablet . Alexander created a big Greek cultured empire. It didn't last for long but it's remnants are more than clearly Greek - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Seleucid_rulers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom#Greek_culture_in_Bactria
Somehow 2,000 years later, the Macedonian identity is revived and it's no longer Greek, but Slavic. I think that the fact that the Macedonian identity and culture appeared almost out of nowhere after 2,000 years and also magically transformed into not only Slavic, but The Original First Slavic Cyril And Methodius Macedonians 4 Life, is the biggest sign that Jesus is Macedonian. Hallelujah!

Turkic a theory? Lol. Enjoy your theories over a cup of warm mare's milk and bat soup

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Turkic a theory? Lol. Enjoy your theories over a cup of warm mare's milk and bat soup

I though this is forum about Macedonia? Why don't you answer why the ancient Macedonians spoke Doric Greek dialect or created a Greek empire? Also why did the Macedonian identity disappear for 2,000 years and then reappeared in late Ottoman times as Slavic and not Greek?

About Turkic theory, yes, it's a theory. Even if it's true it's perfectly fine. Turks were great warriors. The bat soup exaggeration only shows how desperate you are to prove your "Tatar-Mongol" wet dream. I'm not gonna discuss this more since you can do your own research. Here is some fast food for thought though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparukh_(name)