First Ethnic Macedonian elected to Serbian parliament

[Crn Volk]

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=3390460A1624444281C45F336676089 9

Датум: 07.05.2012, 11:42
Миле Спировски, прв македонски пратеник во Српското собрание

Миле Спировски од Демократската партија на Македонците во Србија, е првиот македонски пратеник што ќе седне во Српското собрание.

Демократската партија на Македонците на вчерашните парламентарни избори во Србија настапи како дел од коалицијата „Покренимо Србију“ во соработка со Српската напредна странка на Томислав Николиќ.

Според изборните резултати Спировски бил на 26. место на кандидатската листа, а партијата на Николиќ освоила 73 места во Собранието.

Демократската партија на Македонците во Србија очекува и 20 советнички места на локалните избори кои се одржаа во земјата.

Академски сликар и професор

Миле Спировски е академски сликар и професор. Работи во основното училиште "Гоце Делчев" во Јабука, каде бил и директор од 1994 до 2000 година. Тој е основач и организатор на меѓународна ликовна колонија за деца во истото место.

Во Демократската партија на Македонците се зачленил во март 2008 година, а во 2010 година бил избран за претседател на партискиот Извршен одбор. Во мај 2011 година на вонредно собрание бил избран и за претседател на партијата.


Google translate;

Mile Spirovski first Macedonian deputy in the Serbian Assembly

Mile Spirovski the Democratic Party of Macedonians in Serbia, Macedonia is the first MP to sit in the Serbian Assembly.

Democratic Party of Macedonian yesterday's parliamentary elections in Serbia performances as part of the coalition "Pokrenimo Srbije" in cooperation with the Serbian Progressive Party Tomislav Nikolic.

According to election results Spirovski was on the 26th place on the candidate list, and Nikolic's party won 73 seats in Parliament.

Democratic Party of Macedonians in Serbia expected and 20 council seats in local elections in the country.

Academic painter and professor

Mile Spirovski an academic painter and teacher. Working in primary school "Goce Delchev" in Jabuka, where was the director from 1994 to 2000. He is the founder and organizer of the international art colony for children in the same place.

The Democratic Party of Macedonians joined in March 2008 and in 2010 was elected president of the party's Executive Board. In May 2011 the extraordinary Assembly was elected party chairman.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Finally! :clap:

[poiuytrewq0987]

Our brothers would probably be able to achieve similar results in Bulgaria and Greece if the political systems in both countries weren't so discriminatory. :tsk: But let's not dwell on that and rather dwell on the victory gained in Serbia. A country who is truly in the 21st century! :)

[Crn Volk]

Our brothers would probably be able to achieve similar results in Bulgaria and Greece if the political systems in both countries weren't so discriminatory. :tsk: But let's not dwell on that and rather dwell on the victory gained in Serbia. A country who is truly in the 21st century! :)

It's great to see the Macedonians doing so well in Serbia. Here's another story on the same matter;

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20951/45/

[Vojnik]

Great news. Good to have a Macedonian representing Macedonians in the Serbian government.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Our brothers would probably be able to achieve similar results in Bulgaria and Greece if the political systems in both countries weren't so discriminatory. :tsk: But let's not dwell on that and rather dwell on the victory gained in Serbia. A country who is truly in the 21st century! :)

Why is the political system in Greece discriminatory?

You have your political party:

www.florina.org

As usual, it does not participate in the national OR regional elections. It only participates in the elections for the European parliament.

The best result it ever got was ~7.500 votes - in collaboration with OAKKE. This would not be enough to elect a representative under ANY political system, with 300 members of parliament representing ~10 million people.

A simple calculation:

10 million people % 300 representatives = 33.333 people per representative in the Greek parliament.

Since the actual voters are much fewer than the total population, not to mention those unwilling to vote or voting blank or invalid, I shall make you the favor of reducing the number of voters to a generous 5 million.

A candidate under the fairest of systems still requires 16.666 voters to get him to the Greek parliament.

Vinozhito never got above half that number >8.000. It has been falling ever since, and today it barely registers above 2.000 votes (the numbers cited above are all over Greece and not just in a single electoral unit).

Greece is not the only country which registers a minimum 3% for a parliament in order to get even a single member in its' parliament. Germany has a 5% threshold, Turkey has a colossal 10%. Nobody even considers to call the German political model as "Undemocratic". Yet the Greek political model is even more democratic in respect of the threshold for entering the Greek parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_threshold

Anyway, let's poke you a bit now. Well... Even when Vinozhito was in it's glorious days (registering >7.500 votes) it was still getting less votes than Dimosthenis Vergis, a one-man party.

What was so extraordinary about Vergis? Well, he was a nudist Ecologist of sorts and he dared to campaign with posters showing him nude! He was quite a sensation.

As a matter of fact he still participates in the Greek elections, but this time he joined forces with another recent sensation, a certain pornstar named Julia Alexandratou, and the revolutionary dog with the name Loukanikos (sausage), until she dumped his political party. The most pundits in Greece suggest that cost him an electoral humiliation summing of just 65 votes and he got only 7 as a candidate...

...Which still means that he got 65 votes more than Pavle Voskopoulos and Vinozhito, because the latter REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GREEK ELECTIONS. It's quite a pity, Pavle should have tried to do something to attract more voters, anything, even showing off naked like Vergis did. He went as far as flirting with the gays of the Liberal Alliance (he was writing articles on e-rooster.gr, a semi-official site of the Liberal alliance) during the previous Greek elections, what is he afraid of? Taking a step further in the route to the grand Gay parade? In the end of the line even you are showing us some breast Dusan. Am I wrong?

Special highlights of comedy central: Dimosthenis Vergis and his present and past campaign posters (unfortunately censored)

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=el&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=el&tl=en&u=http://www.cosmo.gr/Epikairotita/Ellada/Politiki/dhmosthenhs-verghs-tzoulia-aleksandratoy-enwmenoi-zhtoun-thn-pshfo-toy-laou.1728591.html&usg=ALkJrhgrqKkHYqflj6yMg2W_c23zaFLOPA

So, dear Dusan, I am not trolling, it is just that - for one reason or another - you keep mentioning my country and I rebuke you with concrete facts:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=el&sl=el&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.florina.org%2Fnews%2F2012%2Fapr il27_g.asp


Paragraph 6:

The HRC-RAINBOW will not participate in elections...

It does not mention anywhere that the Greek state prevents it from participating in the elections.

Dusan, I am afraid that you are trolling when you suggest that the Serbs are in the 21st century while implying that either Greece or Bulgaria is somewhere else. I am afraid that the vast majority of the forum members here shall not agree with you, and you can start by asking the Serbs themselves...

...I won't comment on where you are right now, because the "antiquisation" process has yet to be completed... We shall all find out when it shall be finally over!

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1698


Skopje. Economy and people’s deteriorated living standard are more important than the process of antiquization, shows a recent poll conducted by the American International Republican Institute (IRI), the Macedonian daily paper Dnevnik reads. 59% of the respondents consider that Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski should focus all efforts on the economy and not on the Ancient Macedonia program. If the 15% of indifferent respondents are added to the above 59%, it becomes obvious that systematic referring to the ancient origin of the Macedonian nation is backed up by only 26% of all citizens.
The poll was conducted in June involving 1,106 participants and is the first opinion research showing that the country’s antiquization policy is not supported by the public.
The question regarding people’s attitude to the process of antiquization was posed with two options: whether the policy of antiquization contributes to “a strong feeling of Macedonian identity throughout history” or it represents “clouding while the best way for strengthening Macedonian identity is by setting up a stable and modern economy.”
Experts point out that the poll is a direct message from the public to the Prime Minister meaning that by far the use of setting up monuments is lacking. At the same time 43% of the people have stated that their economic situation has deteriorated over the past year.
The Macedonian government and some of the municipalities have spent millions of euros on monuments celebrating ancient times in a situation of deep economic recession.

All hail professor Pasko Kuzmans' extraordinary watches:

http://everything.explained.at/Pasko_Kuzman/


Pasko Kuzman Explained
Pasko Kuzman is a Macedonian archaeologist. He has been working in the southwestern quadrant of Macedonia in Lake Ohrid, the deepest lake in Europe. There, he has been excavating 3,000-year-old submerged sites, and the first fortress of Alexander the Great's father, King Philip II, on its shores. Although he has strong academic credentials, his methods are very unorthodox. He wears three watches on his left wrist. He calls the watches "time machines." With one he says he travels to the Bronze and Neolithic ages, with another to the future, and with the third - his "archaeological watch" with its special sensors - he makes his finds. According to Kuzman, "If it beeps twice it is silver; three times and I've struck gold."


I guess that all you have to do is to replicate his time travelling watch a couple of million times and then go back to the neolithic age, where you shall have the opportunity to change the worlds' history once and for all... Because the 21st century shall not be kind towards you fellas!!!

http://www.maticanaiselenici.com/images/news/intervju-Pasko%20Kuzman.jpg

One... Two... Three watches in his wrist! Bravo Pasko!!!

[Crn Volk]

Petros, stop it with your troll threads. Any comments on the Macedonian MP in Serbia? If not, then reframe from your provocations.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Petros, stop it with your troll threads. Any comments on the Macedonian MP in Serbia? If not, then reframe from your provocations.

I was answering to Dusan who dared to imply that Greece and Bulgaria are not democratic enough. If you could put a leash upon him and managed to restrict him in the realm of reality, none of these would have happened...

...Anyway, what's your own relation with the realm of reality? Do you have a firm conctact, or do you await somebody to introduce you to each other? Do you live in the 21st century too?

I am asking this because a small gang of reasonable people has ganged up on your "Uskub Urban renewal" thread and twisted it into "European Urban disaster" thread, and all that comes from your side is eerie silence. Pretty much the same - even worse - is emanating from my thread "Your sacrifice".

Can you at least tell me if you do it because you believe that I am not worthy of your attention, or you just end up banging your head to the wall every time you read my posts?

I don't know if you have figured out by now, but I am not a copy-paste "artist" at any degree, and I take no prisoners. Even worse, I haven't started yet... and my repertoire is exhaustive...

P.S.

Just keep Dusan on a leash. You don't really want an Onur-clone representing you, do you understand that?

[Queen B]

or you just end up banging your head to the wall every time you read my posts?

This I guess, because there are no arguments to fight yours.

[Crn Volk]

I was answering to Dusan who dared to imply that Greece and Bulgaria are not democratic enough. If you could put a leash upon him and managed to restrict him in the realm of reality, none of these would have happened...

...Anyway, what's your own relation with the realm of reality? Do you have a firm conctact, or do you await somebody to introduce you to each other? Do you live in the 21st century too?

I am asking this because a small gang of reasonable people has ganged up on your "Uskub Urban renewal" thread and twisted it into "European Urban disaster" thread, and all that comes from your side is eerie silence. Pretty much the same - even worse - is emanating from my thread "Your sacrifice".

Can you at least tell me if you do it because you believe that I am not worthy of your attention, or you just end up banging your head to the wall every time you read my posts?

I don't know if you have figured out by now, but I am not a copy-paste "artist" at any degree, and I take no prisoners. Even worse, I haven't started yet... and my repertoire is exhaustive...

P.S.

Just keep Dusan on a leash. You don't really want an Onur-clone representing you, do you understand that?

You are just boring with your lengthy replies. Once again - this is about the Macedonian MP in Serbia! No go to the Greek forum and spew your drivel there...

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are just boring with your lengthy replies. Once again - this is about the Macedonian MP in Serbia! No go to the Greek forum and spew your drivel there...

Whenever you bring the discussion back to Greece, you'll be paying the consequences. Period.-

[Yaroslav]

For those that don't know about situation in Greece and Bulgaria for Macedonians;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Macedonia_and_the_Aegean_World_c.200.png

This is Macedonian borders in 200 B.C.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Map_Macedonia_province.png/250px-Map_Macedonia_province.png

This Macedonia under Roman Empire.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Macodnian_Sklavinia.png/300px-Macodnian_Sklavinia.png

This is 7th-8th century when Slavs arrived and mixed with Macedonians (notice not part of Greece or Bulgarian Khanate.)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/RizMap11.jpg

This was renewed Macedonian Empire under Tsar Samuil with capital in Ohrid. By this time Macedonians and Slavs were mixed and most Macedonians assimilated to Slavic culture in the same manner as Thracians and Bulgars were assimilated into Slavic culture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Map_Byzantine_Empire_1025-fr.svg

This is when Byzantine Empire was ruled by Hellenized Macedonian dynasty. The two sides of Macedonians clashed. The Bulgarians supported Slavic Macedonians and Byzantines falsely clustered Slavic Macedonians with Bulgarians. Ultimately the Byzantines won and they killed all the Bulgars in Macedonia but spared Slavicized Macedonians. Basil II the Macedonian was called "Bulgar Slayer". This war was a civil war between Slavicized and Hellenized Macedonians. Ultimately the Slavic Macedonians kept their Macedonian identity while the Hellenized Macedonians completely mixed with Greeks and didn't even consider themselves Macedonian anymore.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Serbian_Empire_in_14th_century-mk.svg

By 14th century Bulgarian and Byzantine Empires were weakened so Serbs rose and conquered Macedonia. Serbs and Macedonians lived in harmony and to this day have good relations. Macedonians had considerable amount of autonomy in the Empire and Tsar Dusan was half Macedonian himself.


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Then came the Ottomans and held Macedonia until 1913.

Macedonia was colonized by Turks and peoples from Caucasus called Albanians during this time, but all in all Macedonians were respected by Turks.

Macedonian identity was kept until this time.

Here is one of numerous ethnic maps that clearly recognizes Macedonian identity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/NationalitiesOfSoutheasternEuropePallasNagyLexikon .jpg


Then in 19th century was national revival many territories under Ottomans got their independence. Macedonia wasn't so lucky.

When Balkan Wars came coalition of Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece kicked the Turks out of Europe.

Since they were the victors of war they curved Macedonia up and started brutal assimilation policies.

Aegean Macedonia in particular was colonized by Christian Turks and Greeks after 1923 population transfer and during this time Macedonians became a minority in their own land.

http://balkan.fabian-vendrig.eu/uploads/pics/Macedonia_barbed_wire_01.jpg

Macedonia remained divided between 1913 and 1944 until Serbs recognized Macedonian identity due to heroic Macedonian resistance against Bulgarian and German Nazi forces.

Because Bulgaria lost the war they were forced to recognize Macedonian ethnicity and to their surprise 64% of population in Pirin Macedonia declared themselves as ethnic Macedonians and plans were set up to attach Pirin Macedonia to Yugoslav Macedonia. Then Bulgaria reverted their policies and continued the Nazi assimilation policy, and to this day denies existence of Macedonians.

During March 1946 – October 1949 there was a civil war in Greece. Basically Macedonians revolted against Greeks but Greeks won and deported large amount of Macedonians. They continued their brutal assimilation policy and to this day Macedonians are not recognized. There is an estimated 300,000 Macedonians left in Aegean Macedonia despite harsh environment and they want to be united with their Macedonian brethren.

Macedonians today are friendly with Serbs because of their support, but they are not happy with Bulgaria, Greece, and Albania which occupy Macedonian lands and continue Nazi policies of 20th century.

http://makedonija.name/images/karta_mak.gif

[Queen B]

I am so tired to read shitty posts, really

[El Gre]

Its quite obvious this 'OrtodoxUnity' character is a Macedonian Slav , why he has to lie and say he is Ukranian is beyond me.

My favourite line from all the BS he wrote was how Basil was a Hellenized Macedonian and Samuel was a Slavicized Macedonian and that it was a CIVIL WAR ??!!??!?!? LOL . Thats a new one i must admit.

What a DUmb Peasant.

[Guapo]

:....

[Crn Volk]

Its quite obvious this 'OrtodoxUnity' character is a Macedonian Slav , why he has to lie and say he is Ukranian is beyond me.

My favourite line from all the BS he wrote was how Basil was a Hellenized Macedonian and Samuel was a Slavicized Macedonian and that it was a CIVIL WAR ??!!??!?!? LOL . Thats a new one i must admit.

What a DUmb Peasant.

Just like you are a Hellenized Macedonian a.k.a Grkoman....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecomans

[Yaroslav]

Just like you are a Hellenized Macedonian a.k.a Grkoman....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecomans

No he's probably Hellenized Turk/Caucasian Albanian.

[El Gre]

Just like you are a Hellenized Macedonian a.k.a Grkoman....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecomans



When you call me a Grkoman do you mean that im a SLAV like you but Hellenized? You are a Slav by race right?

[Crn Volk]

When you call me a Grkoman do you mean that im a SLAV like you but Hellenized? You are a Slav by race right?

I am an ethnic Macedonian - a product of Slav and Paleo-Balkanic stock, and you?

[Yaroslav]

When you call me a Grkoman do you mean that im a SLAV like you but Hellenized? You are a Slav by race right?

Classic example of Greek being racist towards Slavs.

It's too bad you know most of Greece was fully populated by Slavic and Turkic tribes just ~1000 years ago or so and Greeks only lived in Salonika, Constantinople, and some areas near Aegean coast.

Then the West started to conspire against Ottoman Empire to establish British Mandate of Palestine so they installed their puppet Greek state and financed Phillohellenism. With Western support Greece rose. Be careful now, EU is not happy with Greece. If Greece exits, history might correct itself.

[Vojnik]

When you call me a Grkoman do you mean that im a SLAV like you but Hellenized? You are a Slav by race right?

You are out of a Hellenized Turk, Vlach, Gypsy, Albanian or a Hellenized Macedonian, decide which one of them you are. 'Greek' is not a ethnicity.

[El Gre]

You are out of a Hellenized Turk, Vlach, Gypsy, Albanian or a Hellenized Macedonian, decide which one of them you are. 'Greek' is not a ethnicity.




"Sir: As one who had the exceptional opportunities for studying the Macedonian problem from the inside, I may perhaps be permitted to point out some of the most essential conditions of the present) situation. I have traversed Macedonia at different times in almost every direction - from the Aegean side, from Albania, from the Kossovo vilayet, from Servia, and from the Bulgarian Principality. I have spent months there engaged in archaeological researches in the most out of the way districts, and though my main objects were scientific and not political, I had perhaps all the better opportunity for forming an unbiased judgment on the condition of the country. Nor, perhaps, do these impressions lose in value from the fact that they were formed before the beginning of the actual insurrectionary movement. "

"Let me begin by correcting an almost universal fallacy. There are no 'Macedonians'. There are Bulgars. There are Roumans - the relics of the Latin speaking provincials of Rome's Illyrian provinces, who still hold their own in the Pindus range and in the neighbouring towns. There are Greeks, including more or less superficially Hellenized Roumans. There are 'Turks', including Mohammedan Bulgarians, and some true Turkish villages in the Vardar valley representing a settlement earlier than the Ottoman conquest. There is an infusion of Skipetars or Albanians on the western and northern fringe. Finally, there is the large Spanish Jew population in Salonika. But there are no 'Macedonians'."

Sir Arthur Evans, Archeologist and Ethnogropher who travelled all of Macedonia , not like your peasant dedo who didnt know what was on the other side of that mountain next to his village.

Greek is not an ethnicity? LOL No , its time for you to decide what you are.

[Queen B]

You are out of a Hellenized Turk, Vlach, Gypsy, Albanian or a Hellenized Macedonian, decide which one of them you are. 'Greek' is not a ethnicity.
Hey, Bulgarians, can you actually stay on the topic?

[poiuytrewq0987]

I am an ethnic Macedonian - a product of Slav and Paleo-Balkanic stock, and you?

So everyone who have Balkanic ancestry is ethnic Fyromian? :dielaughing::rotfl: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: :dielaughing::dielaughing::rotfl: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: :dielaughing::dielaughing::rotfl: :lol: :lol: :rotfl: :dielaughing: