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Vojnik
05-09-2012, 12:38 PM
On one day every July, St. Peter’s Day, locals and tourists alike are invited to attend the traditional Macedonian wedding celebrations at Galicnik, a legendary old village in the western mountains near Mavrovo.
The three-day feast, which includes much song, dance, eating and drinking, uses traditional customs, costumes, and rituals and dances that have been passed down over the centuries.
The Galicnik Wedding is an incomparable event that every visitor to Macedonia must experience at least once.

http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/?ItemID=E1A73D801002104F992D81D0C8A64529

This is basically a re-enactment of the traditional Macedonian wedding, showcasing old Macedonian customs, dances and food. It happens only once a year, where a random couple are picked to be the bride an groom.

http://i45.tinypic.com/b8lrpv.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/155m3ac.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2dt982s.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2eby2c9.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/206h9ib.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2s7ja5l.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/mn3f5.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/27xdmxs.jpg

Guapo
05-09-2012, 12:57 PM
The people look very Paleo-Slavic

Vojnik
05-09-2012, 01:12 PM
Thanks for your opinion Guapo, I guess, but this isn't a classification thread. Considering that you mentioned that, I would like to ask you, what is this so called "paleo-slavic' look?

Wildland
05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
I assume this area got its name by Celtic Galician settlers.

Vasconcelos
05-09-2012, 02:29 PM
I assume this area got its name by Celtic Gallaic settlers.

Fixed.

Xenomorph
05-09-2012, 02:33 PM
Looks very beautiful, but I hope my own wedding isn't as complicated.:D

Guapo
05-09-2012, 05:55 PM
I would like to ask you, what is this so called "paleo-slavic' look?

What the true Slavs of the east and southeast looked like before assimilation of nordish types like in central and north Europe.

Crn Volk
05-10-2012, 01:01 AM
I assume this area got its name by Celtic Galician settlers.


Interesting. I have not heard this before. I guess it's possible given that there was a Celtic presence in Macedonia, just as there was a Germanic/Gothic presence in the 4th century.

Crn Volk
05-10-2012, 01:02 AM
On one day every July, St. Peter’s Day, locals and tourists alike are invited to attend the traditional Macedonian wedding celebrations at Galicnik, a legendary old village in the western mountains near Mavrovo.
The three-day feast, which includes much song, dance, eating and drinking, uses traditional customs, costumes, and rituals and dances that have been passed down over the centuries.
The Galicnik Wedding is an incomparable event that every visitor to Macedonia must experience at least once.

http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/?ItemID=E1A73D801002104F992D81D0C8A64529

This is basically a re-enactment of the traditional Macedonian wedding, showcasing old Macedonian customs, dances and food. It happens only once a year, where a random couple are picked to be the bride an groom.

http://i45.tinypic.com/b8lrpv.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/155m3ac.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2dt982s.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2eby2c9.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/206h9ib.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2s7ja5l.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/mn3f5.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/27xdmxs.jpg

This event is spectacular and a must see :)

iNird
05-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Similar to Albanian wedding in Western Macedonia. Shaving the groom, and the bride leaving her house with the veil on are common marriage traditions.

Here are some videos of the weddings in Galičnik:

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iNird
05-10-2012, 01:21 AM
The people look very Paleo-Slavic

I believe they're "Mijaks"

http://books.google.com/books?id=YVPshBLnW_cC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=mijak+shkreti&source=bl&ots=EbHoxyiWZg&sig=fUNTfsk3RCkHxr7Yxi9vAnQDRsg&hl=en&ei=PyrfTNnQF4L48AbhhKgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mijak%20shkreti&f=false

Crn Volk
05-10-2012, 01:26 AM
I believe they're "Mijaks"

http://books.google.com/books?id=YVPshBLnW_cC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=mijak+shkreti&source=bl&ots=EbHoxyiWZg&sig=fUNTfsk3RCkHxr7Yxi9vAnQDRsg&hl=en&ei=PyrfTNnQF4L48AbhhKgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mijak%20shkreti&f=false

Indeed they are;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks

iNird
05-10-2012, 01:43 AM
Does anyone have more information concerning the Shkreti:


The Gorna (Upper) Reka region, from the village Brodec to village Volkovija is mostly abondoned today but, in the past, was inhabited by Albanian-speaking Macedonians called Shkreti.

There are theories held by some Albanians that the some of the Orthodox Macedonia in Mavrovo are of Albanian descent, I guess this would include the "Mijaks."

Here are some videos of the Galičnik wedding posted by an Albanian:

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In addition, Branko Manolovski last year asked parts of Reka to be part of the Ohrid Agreement.

http://english.albeu.com/albania-news/orthodox-albanians,-assimilated-and-forgotten-in-macedonia/41292/

Anyways just wanted to share. I always found this region to be interesting.

Guapo
05-10-2012, 01:47 AM
Mijak speach: glagolj standard Macedonian: zbor

word from Proto-Slavic *glagoliti ("to speak")

Paleo-Slavs


Saint Jovan Bigorski Monastery, of which interior is related to the Serbian history (in an ethnic designation, Serb): there is a very old memorial, describing its history, which only speaks of the rulers of the Nemanjić dynasty and the Serbian archbishops. Also, the external frescoes depict only Serbian rulers until the Battle of Kosovo, painted by a peasant from Lazaropole.

the older generation knew of the Battle of Kosovo (1389) and Tsar Lazar, and still had the Serbian feast days and sung the epic poetry regarding that time.

strange, Only Serbs have feast days. Thier hats resemble Montenegrin hats too.

Crn Volk
05-10-2012, 01:52 AM
I see what you're trying to do. Manufacture some 'Orthodox Albanians' in Mavrovo. Is this because this area remains majority ethnic Macedonian and thus prevents the territorial linking of Albanian areas in western Macedonia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavrovo_and_Rostu%C5%A1a_Municipality

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/MKD_muni_nonn%28Mavrovo_and_Rostusa%29.png/250px-MKD_muni_nonn%28Mavrovo_and_Rostusa%29.png

Sneaky, very sneaky...but we have your measure. BTW, there will be a majority Macedonian municipality set up in Tetovo soon...:)

Now leave the thread to it's original purpose ie., the show case of the Galicnik wedding festival. Set up another thread about the above if you wish to discuss further.

iNird
05-10-2012, 02:05 AM
I see what you're trying to do. Manufacture some 'Orthodox Albanians' in Mavrovo. Is this because this area remains majority ethnic Macedonian and thus prevents the territorial linking of Albanian areas in western Macedonia?



Nah not really. These Orthodox Albanians are a small amount (in the hundreds maybe thousands.) They have little to no impact. I find the group interesting (well the small Albanian orthodox group), that is all.

:coffee:



Sneaky, very sneaky...but we have your measure. BTW, there will be a majority Macedonian municipality set up in Tetovo soon...:)


Self defense mechanism kicking in? I'm not from Tetova so I don't really care but I saw you post this claim before and I'll call you out on it this time. You do realize the municipalities surrounding Tetova (Tearce, Bogovinje, Brvenica, Želino) are predominately Albanian. In fact if you added these villages around Tetova, the Albanian % would increase . How is it possible to set up a predominately Macedonian municipality in Tetova? Which current municipalities would be added to achieve such this goal?

There are has been talks of joining the municipalities near Kercova/Kicevo. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are confused.




Now leave the thread to it's original purpose ie., the show case of the Galicnik wedding festival. Set up another thread about the above if you wish to discuss further.




Fair enough, though let's be honest, I didn't go completely off topic. ;)

Guapo
05-10-2012, 02:11 AM
eastern Albania used to be predominately Slavic years ago too until albanians started to assimilate and breed them out, just look at the toponyms.

I doubt they are orthodox albanians, seems like they're descended from the first wave of Slavic migration during the dark ages, I was correct, PaleoSlavs.

Guapo
05-10-2012, 02:13 AM
Btw Nird, galician poles have "shiptar pants" too and vlach romanians among others , did you guys invent those now too? :lol:

iNird
05-10-2012, 02:19 AM
Btw Nird, galician poles have "shiptar pants" too and vlach romanians among others , did you guys invent those now too? :lol:


In its violent actions aimed at the 'ethnic unification' of the state, the Belgrade Government also does its utmost to eliminate differences in clothing that give an indication of nationality in this part of the kingdom. In some places, such as Reka, where Orthodox Albanians live together with Slavs of the same religion and with Moslem Albanians, the differences are limited to various types of headgear. The Albanians wear the kësula whereas the Serbs wear the cajkac. To do away with this shocking distinction, Mr Sokolovic, the subprefect, issued an order to all police stations in his region last May forbidding Albanian peasants from wearing the kësula. They are now forced to don the Serb cap. The police were only waiting for a pretext to tear up the Albanian caps.


http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts20_2/AH1930.html

I'm not gonna act like a e-historian. But maybe this answers your question.

Crn Volk
05-10-2012, 03:56 AM
Some more pics from the Galicnik Wedding;

http://fr.petrophoto.net/photo/normal/1888-standard-bearer.jpg

http://www.adventuretoursmk.com/nl/016%20Galichnik%20Wedding.jpg-for-web-large.jpg

http://www.adventuretoursmk.com/nl/019%20Galichnik%20Wedding.jpg-for-web-large.jpg

http://www.adventuretoursmk.com/nl/024%20Galichnik%20Wedding.jpg-for-web-large.jpg

http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/Macedonia_Galichnik_Wedding_ad1b20bf10df4181b2c31c cfb1dda886.jpg

http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/Macedonia_Galicnik_Wedding_Festival_Women_e45762d3 0446482ca9214cb35a19cd59.jpg

http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/Macedonia_Galicnik_Wedding_Festival_drum_00a453330 e2446f286b01fad7505f53e.jpg

http://fr.petrophoto.net/photo/normal/1896-musicians.jpg

Vojnik
05-10-2012, 07:07 AM
I believe they're "Mijaks"

http://books.google.com/books?id=YVPshBLnW_cC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=mijak+shkreti&source=bl&ots=EbHoxyiWZg&sig=fUNTfsk3RCkHxr7Yxi9vAnQDRsg&hl=en&ei=PyrfTNnQF4L48AbhhKgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mijak%20shkreti&f=false


Indeed they are;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks

The people I posted that are dressed in traditional clothing are Macedonians, but whether they are Mijak Macedonians, I don't know. I think they are just actors that attend this festival once year, I don't think they are locals. The locals of that region however would be Mijaks.

Here is a Macedonian Mijak woodcarving inside the Saint Jovan Bigorski Monastery.

http://i48.tinypic.com/1t68wl.jpg

The Monastery which the woodcarving is in was established in 1020.

http://i46.tinypic.com/23kp4kg.jpg

The Mijaks (Мијаци) are known for their ecclesiastical architecture, woodworking, icon painting, and other rich traditions.

morski
05-16-2012, 06:59 PM
Saint Jovan Bigorski Monastery, of which interior is related to the Serbian history (in an ethnic designation, Serb): there is a very old memorial, describing its history, which only speaks of the rulers of the Nemanjić dynasty and the Serbian archbishops. Also, the external frescoes depict only Serbian rulers until the Battle of Kosovo, painted by a peasant from Lazaropole.

the older generation knew of the Battle of Kosovo (1389) and Tsar Lazar, and still had the Serbian feast days and sung the epic poetry regarding that time.

strange, Only Serbs have feast days. Thier hats resemble Montenegrin hats too.


В притвора на църквата през 1871 година личат фреските на „Св. Климент Охридски“, „Св. Наум“, „Св. Иван Владислав“, „Св.Св. Кирил и Методий“, „Св. цар Борис“ и „Св. цар Иван Шишман български“.[3] Според българският журналист Светослав Терзиев надписите над българските владетели Борис и Иван Шишман са неумело преправени на Стефан Дечански и Лазар Хребелянович по времето на сръбската окупация на Македония 1913-1941 година. [6]


В статия за „Цариградски вестник“ от 1 януари 1859, българският просветен деец Йордан Хаджиконстантинов-Джинот твърди, че обителта е построена от цар Самуил.
„ В Дебр соществует една велика обител, називаемая Буйгор, т.е. храм „Святаго Предтеча и Крестителя Йоана”, болгарски „хожат” — ту има от 15 до 20 калугери, безпрестанно служи се Богу безкровная жертва.

Тая обител е зидана от царя Самоила Болгарскаго, кой е населил град Преспа, а днес е село заборавено. По отпадении болгарскаго царства тая обител опустила се и разорила се до основание, после обновена от многотрудних монахов.[4]


Според летописите на самия манастир, той е основан през 1020 година от архиепископ Йоан Дебърски.[3] Историкът Иван Снегаров се съмнява в това датиране, като приема за достоверни сведенията за съществуването му през 16 век. Неизвестно кога манастирът е изоставен, според местните легенди в резултат на османска кампания за насилствена ислямизация в региона.[1]

http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_% D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80