Black Nationalist Celebrities

[ethnopluralist]

It's a heavily coveted secret in Hollywood, but well documented; that many heralded black celebrities are admirers of the minister Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party. The same Minister who believes that White people are the descendants of the devil . This is just a list of the celebritwats who support the NOI or the New Black Panther Party.

Andre 3000 – Major current Grammy winning pop singer.
Soulja Boy – Major current black rap star
Professor Griff – Major rap star from 90s. From the band Public Enemy
Cynthia McKinney – Former Georgia Congresswoman
“Able” Mable Thomas – Former long time Georgia State Representative
Judge Hatchet – TV judge show that aired from 2000 – 2008
Chokwe Lumumba – Jackson, Mississippi City Councilman
Janice L. Mathis, Esq. – Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH
Orlando Brown – Actor is Disney sitcom Thats So Raven, and others
Warren Ballentine – Nationally syndicated talk show host (37 markets)
DJ Greg Street – V-103 Radio
Bun B – Rap Star
Erykah Badu – Hip Hop/Pop singer
Omali Ye****ela – Chairman of the African Peoples Socialist Party
Janice L. Mathis, Esq. – Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH
Raymond Joseph – Haitian Ambassador to US 2005-2010
Dr. Leonard Jeffries – CUNY
Also a per-recorded video address by Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam

The famous (C)rappers Ice Cube can be seen in a video expressing his love for Louis Farrakhan, and his hatred for the ,"white devils" who he claims run hollywood and the music industry.

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The (C)rapper Snoop Dogg can also be seen presenting Farrakhan with a $1000 check at an All Saints Day event for the minister and the NOI.

Snoop Dogg thanks Minister Farrakhan, Nation of Islam for supporting peace, hip hop - YouTube

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Kanye West, the same guy who featured dead white women in his music video, was also given the spotlight at a an NOI event .

Kanye West lends support to Millions More Movement
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2126.shtml


Unfortunately, many people are kept in the dark about this, and many stupid whites are duped into buying their music.

Then of course there is the infamous Public Enemy song, Fight The Power, which features fist pumping black panthers.

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If you want to read more
Celebrities who support the New Black Panther Party
http://cofcc.org/2012/04/celebrities-who-support-the-new-black-panther-party/

It is this morbid hypocrisy that makes my blood boil.:mad:

[Melina]

Yes! Finally a post about black panthers I never thought I would see the day somebody in this site was going to post this kind of thread.Some liberals in this site only like to talk about the KKK and white nationalist.O and don't forget good old AL Sharpton..

[KidMulat]

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are Poverty Pimps; I don't nor anyone I know take them seriously.

The only black Nationalist I am aware of is Nina Simone circe 1960's and 70's; but most are really just about freedom and self-determination.

Louis Farrakan although he is a fool and crackpot who is not even payed attention to anymore did create for a time black owned businesses and farms creating an exchange between southern and northern black American communities. Created with the help of many organizations and people meant for the increased benefit of the black lower and working classes that did not have access to proper food.

This is ofcourse at a time just before, during and shortly after the crack epidemic that spawned out of the ghettos already getting worse with black flight.

The Black Panthers themselves are not generally seen as a nationalist group; it was a backlash of political and social oppression that later became a symbol of black power and pride.

People don't even realize the term "Black" was an insult and a very rude thing to say; my father and family said people would get in fight over being called black as people where "Colored" before the 60's.

All in All black nationalism isn't really on most folks minds; true equality is one in which some folks believe has not yet been attained even as the "Liberal" media says so. :coffee:

[SilverKnight]

These people are scums.

[Grumpy Cat]

Muhammad Ali was one.

I have my doubts about Bun-B being one, though. He doesn't strike me as that type. Black nationalists usually don't do hard drugs or drink alcohol (though some do smoke weed, but I don't consider that a drug). Bun-B likes himself some booze and lean (codeine syrup). That is very much against the BN agenda and most BNs would chastize him for being into that stuff. He's also done songs with Yelawolf and I think promoted him. If there is anything BNs hate, it's white rappers, and Yelawolf is very much white.

I don't understand how people can use lean recreationally, especially risk jail time for it since it is illegal in the US. It is legal in Canada and can be bought over the counter. It is very good for bringing down a fever, and you do get a kind of high, but it is an unpleasant one. For me it gives me disturbing dreams and a couple weeks ago I was sick and acted like an ass on here, although it may not have been 100% the drug, the fever and lack of sleep factored in as well.

For the record, I know a black nationalist. We went to school together way back before he got into it, and I got into nationalism, and we got back in contact recently (and out of contact again, I kind of got irritated with him). He is nice to me for some odd reason, and he got on my ass for taking lean for it's intended use (not recreationally)... he was like "I worry for your health". He respects WNs though.

[Grizzly]

Lmao, all of the guys you listed are rappers or some type of hip hop celebrity. I doubt any of them have a IQ over 90 or a college degree..

[Melina]

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are Poverty Pimps; I don't nor anyone I know take them seriously.

The only black Nationalist I am aware of is Nina Simone circe 1960's and 70's; but most are really just about freedom and self-determination.

Louis Farrakan although he is a fool and crackpot who is not even payed attention to anymore did create for a time black owned businesses and farms creating an exchange between southern and northern black American communities. Created with the help of many organizations and people meant for the increased benefit of the black lower and working classes that did not have access to proper food.

This is ofcourse at a time just before, during and shortly after the crack epidemic that spawned out of the ghettos already getting worse with black flight.

The Black Panthers themselves are not generally seen as a nationalist group; it was a backlash of political and social oppression that later became a symbol of black power and pride.

People don't even realize the term "Black" was an insult and a very rude thing to say; my father and family said people would get in fight over being called black as people where "Colored" before the 60's.

All in All black nationalism isn't really on most folks minds; true equality is one in which some folks believe has not yet been attained even as the "Liberal" media says so. :coffee:

I don't get you..White nationalists are racists but black nationalist just want equality? Blacks because of the color of their skin get away from more crime than whites.

[Grumpy Cat]

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Brother Ali, a white black nationalist.

I always thought he was an albino black person, but actually he is of European descent. He is albino though. He got into black nationalism because he claims that all his white peers made fun of him for being albino but blacks accepted him.

[Supreme American]

All in All black nationalism isn't really on most folks minds; true equality is one in which some folks believe has not yet been attained even as the "Liberal" media says so. :coffee:

Who says true equality necessarily means mixing?

The media decided long ago what horse they were going to back, and that horse is the one with the big Jewish money behind it. They spent the 50s and 60s slandering separatists like Malcolm X.

[Supreme American]

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Brother Ali, a white black nationalist.

I always thought he was an albino black person, but actually he is of European descent. He is albino though. He got into black nationalism because he claims that all his white peers made fun of him for being albino but blacks accepted him.

Black nationalists do not accept whites except as allies. This dude is a wigger. That's why he does what he does.

[Supreme American]

I don't get you..White nationalists are racists but black nationalist just want equality? Blacks because of the color of their skin get away from more crime than whites.

It depends. Some blacks are stupid enough to be motivated into racial nationalism because of real or perceived mistreatments by others, when they should be motivated by a love for and a desire to propagate their race and culture within a sovereign homeland.

All too often, like with clowns like Malcolm X, expose them to some Muslim wigger converts who share a bowl of soup with him, and they forget everything they ever stood for.

[Contra Mundum]

Don't forget singer lauryn hill. Years ago she said she prefers to perform for her people and not others.

[KidMulat]

I don't get you..White nationalists are racists but black nationalist just want equality? Blacks because of the color of their skin get away from more crime than whites.

I never said all white nationalism is racist :confused: Self-determenatiion should be for anyone who wants it. If folks want Orania's all over the U.S. go for it.

I am moreso about cultural continuation; that is a common human desire that all people should be able to practice if they so choose.

[Contra Mundum]

Interesting how left wing whites and Jews don't take black nationalism seriously. They never hold blacks to the same standard they hold others to. It's so paternalistic.

[KidMulat]

Do people really think that many/most black Americans are Nationalist or Supremacist?! :confused:

[Melina]

Do people really think that many/most black Americans are Nationalist or Supremacist?! :confused:

Yes I see them a lot more than KKK.. KKK for me is a myth because I have never seen them personally I just talked online with one and that is it. In my college we have the "black club" African American club" "the Black caucus" most of the people that are in those clubs are black supremacists. And they treat white people like dirt. I have been called cracker a lot here in the U.S I have been called Gringo in D.R.

[Contra Mundum]

Do people really think that many/most black Americans are Nationalist or Supremacist?! :confused:

I think most are racist. They aren't capable of feeling empathy for the suffering of another race. If a white or Asian were beaten to death by a black mob, the overwhelming majority of blacks would either support it, blame the victim or feel indifferent. Only a tiny minority would be horrified by it. I grew up around blacks. They can be great to talk and joke around with, but they lack sympathy for others. Violence just isn't a big deal to them.

[Grumpy Cat]

OT that bunny is cute

[2Cool]

Here's how I see it: I can understand why black nationalism exists, why guys like Malcolm X exist. Such a movement is directly related and caused by the mistreatment of black people in the US. But why does white nationalism exist? It's not like white people were ever in a state where they felt they discriminated against. Instead white nationalism started as a club where people lynched black folks. It started as way for white people to keep their supremacy. Black nationalism, on the other hand, started as a way to protect black people and provide the rights they deserved as American citizens. Big difference.

If you look at history, black nationalism is associated with stuff like the black panthers, NOI, Black Power Movement etc. Like I said, those things are the result of the discrimination that black people faced. They were extreme measures but it had to be done due to the circumstances. White nationalism has stuff like the KKK, and Neo-Nazi movements, Third Reich etc.

Does this make what they do morally right? Most probably not. But both are very different due to the circumstances that lead to their ideologies and why there's this double standard when people talk about them.

[Contra Mundum]

Here's how I see it: I can understand why black nationalism exists, why guys like Malcolm X exist. Such a movement is directly related and caused by the mistreatment of black people in the US. But why does white nationalism exist? It's not like white people were ever in a state where they felt they discriminated against. Instead white nationalism started as a club where people lynched black folks. It started as way for white people to keep their supremacy. Black nationalism, on the other hand, started as a way to protect black people and provide the rights they deserved as American citizens. Big difference.

If you look at history, black nationalism is associated with stuff like the black panthers, NOI, Black Power Movement etc. Like I said, those things are the result of the discrimination that black people faced. They were extreme measures but it had to be done due to the circumstances. White nationalism has stuff like the KKK, and Neo-Nazi movements, Third Reich etc.

Does this make what they do morally right? Most probably not. But both are very different due to the circumstances that lead to their ideologies and why there's this double standard when people talk about them.

What race has lost the most the past 50 years? And what race is in danger of being bred out of existence in the future? Sub-Saharan Blacks are in no danger of being exterminated like native Europeans are. Their homeland is safe and it's native population is growing rapidly.

[Melina]

Here's how I see it: I can understand why black nationalism exists, why guys like Malcolm X exist. Such a movement is directly related and caused by the mistreatment of black people in the US. But why does white nationalism exist? It's not like white people were ever in a state where they felt they discriminated against. Instead white nationalism started as a club where people lynched black folks. It started as way for white people to keep their supremacy. Black nationalism, on the other hand, started as a way to protect black people and provide the rights they deserved as American citizens. Big difference.

If you look at history, black nationalism is associated with stuff like the black panthers, NOI, Black Power Movement etc. Like I said, those things are the result of the discrimination that black people faced. They were extreme measures but it had to be done due to the circumstances. White nationalism has stuff like the KKK, and Neo-Nazi movements, Third Reich etc.

Does this make what they do morally right? Most probably not. But both are very different due to the circumstances that lead to their ideologies and why there's this double standard when people talk about them.

Here we go again.Whites where discriminated in the past as well.Today hundred of whites are being massacred in South Africa.Hundreds of white women in Europe are being sold as sex slaves.White nationalism was created to protect and preserve the white race.The Black panthers try to victimize the abuser just like the Duke lacrosse scandel. I hear blacks that do violent attacks against whites everyday that I don't hear from mainstream media.The only way I know about these crimes is if I go to a white nationalist website.

[2Cool]

What race has lost the most the past 50 years? And what race is in danger of being bred out of existence in the future? Sub-Saharan Blacks are in no danger of being exterminated like native Europeans are. Their homeland is safe and it's native population is growing rapidly.

That's what you believe in. The white race isn't in danger imo. Besides, what do you have to say for organizations like the KKK? Were white people in danger when they started as well?

But lets assume what you say is all true, and white people are in danger or getting extinct. Do you truly believe that ideologies such as Neo-Nazism is going to safe the white race? To me, they are doing the opposite. They are hurting whatever cause this forum represents.

[2Cool]

Here we go again.Whites where discriminated in the past as well.Today hundred of whites are being massacred in South Africa.Hundreds of white women in Europe are being sold as sex slaves.White nationalism was created to protect and preserve the white race.The Black panthers try to victimize the abuser just like the Duke lacrosse scandel. I hear blacks that do violent attacks against whites everyday that I don't hear from mainstream media.The only way I know about these crimes is if I go to a white nationalist website.


Sure they were. I remember reading many stories of white people getting lynched, getting banned from stores, forced to remain in the back of buses. I also remember reading how police officer would use hoses against them. Slavery was hard for white people too. Those were hard times. Hard times indeed.

What you talk about in South-Africa has/is indeed happened/happening. But this also the same place that had the Apartheid. Racial relations are fucked there and for good reasons.

[Contra Mundum]

That's what you believe in. The white race isn't in danger imo. Besides, what do you have to say for organizations like the KKK? Were white people in danger when they started as well?

But lets assume what you say is all true, and white people are in danger or getting extinct. Do you truly believe that ideologies such as Neo-Nazism is going to safe the white race? To me, they are doing the opposite. They are hurting whatever cause this forum represents.

In the South, after the crushing defeat of the Civil War, with large numbers of blacks voting and aligning with Carpetbaggers, it was a threat to Southern whites. The KKK had a role to play and an important one. They drove out the Carpetbaggers and restored order, then the organization was disbanded.

KKK is a joke today. I see no role for it, but white nationalism is justified. Non-whites are very hostile to whites and 90% of interracial violence involves a black perpetrator and white victim. Nearly one million violent acts are committed against whites by blacks every year, while only an estimated 4,000 blacks were lynched by the KKK over an 85 year period. The latter happened decades ago while black on white violence is widespread today.

Larry Elder on interracial violence in America.
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[Fortis in Arduis]

Sure they were. I remember reading many stories of white people getting lynched, getting banned from stores, forced to remain in the back of buses. I also remember reading how police officer would use hoses against them. Slavery was hard for white people too. Those were hard times. Hard times indeed.

What you talk about in South-Africa has/is indeed happened/happening. But this also the same place that had the Apartheid. Racial relations are fucked there and for good reasons.

Teh Apartheid? :D

What is so good about racial mixing? I never saw anything intrinsically good about it, and I never wanted to employ/exploit a racial foreigner.

[Contra Mundum]

Rochdale grooming trial: Police accused of failing to investigate paedophile gang for fear of appearing racist

Police and social workers were last night accused of failing to investigate an Asian paedophile gang for fear of being perceived as racist, allowing them to prey on up to 50 young white girls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9253250/Rochdale-grooming-trial-Police-accused-of-failing-to-investigate-paedophile-gang-for-fear-of-appearing-racist.html

I think whites put up with a lot of shit others races wouldn't. If immigrants did that in China or an African country, they would be tortured then executed, but in the UK, they don't even want to investigate the story because whites are such pussies and won't defend their people.

[Sikeliot]

Here is the issue. Blacks have equality in the US and they continue to push for more and more, with more demands and desires for special treatment. They can say whatever they want to us and we must put up with it or we're "racist", we have to kiss the ground they walk on and treat them like royalty, and we have to pretend that they do not commit disproportionately more crime than the rest of us.

[Aces High]

Here's how I see it:

But why does white nationalism exist? It's not like white people were ever in a state where they felt they discriminated against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt

I suggest that you read some history,the RAP/Hip Hop magazine "Yo nigga" shouldnt be used as a credible source for your posts.
Your meagre grasp on white history is surpassed in its ignorance only by your lack of knowledge on African history.

Although your posts are amusing in the same sense that a cow trying to fire a musket is amusing i suggest you try to delve a little deeper into things before making yourself look a twat online....;)

[Sikeliot]

Additionally, blacks are much better off here in the US than they would have been if they remained in Africa.

Which is a prettier picture?

http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2010/06/obama-family.jpg

or

http://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/249/media/images/Ghana_Togo_Benin_Golden_Kingdoms_of_West_Africa_2. jpg

[Aces High]

Additionally, blacks are much better off here in the US than they would have been if they remained in Africa.

Which is a prettier picture?

http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2010/06/obama-family.jpg

or

http://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/249/media/images/Ghana_Togo_Benin_Golden_Kingdoms_of_West_Africa_2. jpg

Isnt it revealing how Mzz Obama straightens her and her childrens hair to appear whiter.

[Midori]

I suggest that you read some history,the RAP/Hip Hop magazine "Yo nigga" shouldnt be used as a credible source for your posts.

:bowlol::rofl_002::lol:

[2Cool]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt

I suggest that you read some history,the RAP/Hip Hop magazine "Yo nigga" shouldnt be used as a credible source for your posts.
Your meagre grasp on white history is surpassed in its ignorance only by your lack of knowledge on African history.

Although your posts are amusing in the same sense that a cow trying to fire a musket is amusing i suggest you try to delve a little deeper into things before making yourself look a twat online....;)

Really.... the Peasant's Revolt?.... lol. That's all you have?

That had nothing to do with race. I don't even know why you posted a link to it's wiki page.

[Han Cholo]

Some half jewish Mestizo in USA killed a black gangsta and the Black population started rioting at white people, that's how much sense Black nationalism makes.

[Contra Mundum]

Some half jewish Mestizo in USA killed a black gangsta and the Black population started rioting at white people, that's how much sense Black nationalism makes.

Niggas know whites are easy targets and it gives them street cred. Blacks know better than to attack Hispanics, because they fight back.

[SilverKnight]

Here we go again.Whites where discriminated in the past as well.Today hundred of whites are being massacred in South Africa.Hundreds of white women in Europe are being sold as sex slaves.White nationalism was created to protect and preserve the white race.The Black panthers try to victimize the abuser just like the Duke lacrosse scandel. I hear blacks that do violent attacks against whites everyday that I don't hear from mainstream media.The only way I know about these crimes is if I go to a white nationalist website.

GJ,


People who live in South Africa (white themselves who see what happens everyday), have told me that the whole white massacre thing happens but not like the media portrays it, it happens in isolated parts of that country. Is not like yuo go to the city or country side and get killed right away, it's some seldom cases and mostly in the past.

But that's not the main point.

White nationalism is aggressive and it scares people away. It keeps the liberal fuel going on and on. So if you're a conservative who wants to preserve the white race, then white nationalism wouldn't be a good idea...

[Fortis in Arduis]

Sigur, to oppose political correctness is to invite accusations of fascism, racism and nazism. White nationalism is not the answer, of course, but at least there is a challenge to liberalist tyranny.

America is supposed to be a democracy, but American democracy is a misnomer, and I need not elaborate any further.

[Melina]

Really.... the Peasant's Revolt?.... lol. That's all you have?

That had nothing to do with race. I don't even know why you posted a link to it's wiki page.

Where did you learn history? You obviously don't know about the blacks who went against innocent civilians during the civil war. The Irish where slaves too.That is why whites after all these tragedies made them 2nd class citizens in the U.S. But that is just U.S history. As for places like D.R blacks that came from Haiti raped and killed all the Dominicans to take their land.

[2Cool]

Where did you learn history? You obviously don't know about the blacks who went against innocent civilians during the civil war. The Irish where slaves too.That is why whites after all these tragedies made them 2nd class citizens in the U.S. But that is just U.S history. As for places like D.R blacks that came from Haiti raped and killed all the Dominicans to take their land.

Stop acting like those things are comparable to the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not and it takes some pretty crazy mental gymnastics to say the opposite.

[Peyrol]

I personally never enslaved any black and i never "taken their african resources"...but i see tons of black try to colonize Italy everyday in the streets of my City.

[2Cool]

I personally never enslaved any black and i never "taken their african resources"...but i see tons of black try to colonize Italy everyday in the streets of my City.

Americans said the same things when Italians came to the US and brought the Cosa Nostra with them.

[Melina]

Stop acting like those things are comparable to the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not and it takes some pretty crazy mental gymnastics to say the opposite.

Blacks betrayed their own in that trade. The freed slaves sold regular slaves to the Spanish. The Spanish did not go through the woods to get their slaves.Blacks did. Yes is comparable to what whites lived in the past. Our schools and Universities are not teaching us the whole truth just part of it.

[Peyrol]

Americans said the same things when Italians came to the US and brought the Cosa Nostra with them.

"Cosa Nostra", yes...the organization wich financed 80% of J.F.Kennedy dem' electoral campaign...the same president wich started to grant more freedom and greater rights for blacks (like Marthin Luther King) and who called "evil racist" anyone who dind't agree with him (George Wallace, etc)...oh Irony :laugh:

Anyway Cosa Nostra is sicilian, i don't know why you tell me (Piedmonteis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedmont)) this.

[Elbegast]

Stop acting like those things are comparable to the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not and it takes some pretty crazy mental gymnastics to say the opposite.

It's not necessary mental gymnastics. Didn't you know that Europeans were enslaved in great number by Arabs and North Africans until the 18th century?

[2Cool]

It's not necessary mental gymnastics. Didn't you know that Europeans were enslaved in great number by Arabs and North Africans until the 18th century?

They weren't enslaved for being white and the scale of it wasn't even close to the Atlantic Slave Trade. You should know this considering you are from Brazil.

[Melina]

They weren't enslaved for being white and the scale of it wasn't even close to the Atlantic Slave Trade. You should know this considering you are from Brazil.

How do you know the Atlantic slave trade was worst? And yes they where enslaved for being white.

[Jon Snow]

Instead white nationalism started as a club where people lynched black folks.

Your posts get more and more cringeworthy by the day.

Seriously, you need to stop before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole than you've already done. Your ignorance of American history is nothing short of abominable.

...

I'll never understand what motivates people to wax eloquently on subjects that they know a grand total of nothing about. But then again, I'm not a smug, self-aggrandizing liberal, so I suppose that stands to reason. :)

[Melina]

wrong thread

Sorry, lets get back to the topic..I hate when people say white nationalism is racist and black nationalism is for blacks to be proud of their race..

[2Cool]

How do you know the Atlantic slave trade was worst? And yes they where enslaved for being white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

Read.



Your posts get more and more cringeworthy by the day.

Seriously, you need to stop before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole than you've already done. Your ignorance of American history is nothing short of abominable.

...

I'll never understand what motivates people to wax eloquently on subjects that they know a grand total of nothing about. But then again, I'm not a smug, self-aggrandizing liberal, so I suppose that stands to reason. :)


Well the KKK pretty much started as an organization that wanted to bring back White Supremacy. That included murdering black people.

White supremacy started in a similar way, it was all about suppressing the influence of non-whites. Usually this involves violence. Even today, if I look at the general mentality of white supremacist I wouldn't say that they are peaceful in their methods.

Basically here's how I see both forms of nationalism:

1) White Nationalism is an ideology that started on the offense: They targeted non-white with the aim of retaining white supremacy.

2) Black nationalism is an ideology that started on the defense due to 1) and the long lasting effects of slavery and constant discrimination. This doesn't mean that they were necessarily peaceful, sometimes offense was the best form of offense in their. But Black Nationalism came forth as a defense mechanism due to how black people were treated.

It's the same thing with the concept of the White Race. Since all the slaves were lumped as being black, they needed to developed a way to give white European colonists some form of brotherhood to develop a Us vs Them mentality.

[Elbegast]

They weren't enslaved for being white and the scale of it wasn't even close to the Atlantic Slave Trade. You should know this considering you are from Brazil.

Yes, they were enslaved for being white (white females were quite appreciated in harems) along with religion. And scales doesn't change the fact that whites were enslaved too. Sincerely, new world blacks should be grateful for what happened to their ancestors, just see the situation of blacks in Africa. But I know you probaby will not take this in consideration with your PC mentality. :rolleyes:

[2Cool]

Yes, they were enslaved for being white (white females were quite appreciated in harems) along with religion. And scales doesn't change the fact that whites were enslaved too. Sincerely, new world blacks should be grateful for what happened with their ancestors, just see the situation of blacks in Africa. But I know you probaby will not take this in consideration with your PC mentality. :rolleyes:

The effect of white slavery in the Ottoman Empire on white people is not comparable in any way to the effects that black slavery had on black people. Especially since the Atlantic slave trade is strongly tied with colonialism.

The problem with the bolded is that:

1) It doesn't make slavery right. The fact that in general black people in America live better than most black Africans doesn't mean that the Slave trade was justified. And until recently, black Americans were treated like total shit.

2) The current state of many African countries is related to the slave trade and colonialism. We don't know how most of Africa would be today if those two events didn't happen. We can speculate but that's just what is it. speculation.

[Melina]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

Read.





Well the KKK pretty much started as an organization that wanted to bring back White Supremacy. That included murdering black people.

White supremacy started in a similar way, it was all about suppressing the influence of non-whites. Usually this involves violence. Even today, if I look at the general mentality of white supremacist I wouldn't say that they are peaceful in their methods.

Basically here's how I see both forms of nationalism:

1) White Nationalism is an ideology that started on the offense: They targeted non-white with the aim of retaining white supremacy.

2) Black nationalism is an ideology that started on the defense due to 1) and the long lasting effects of slavery and constant discrimination. This doesn't mean that they were necessarily peaceful, sometimes offense was the best form of offense in their. But Black Nationalism came forth as a defense mechanism due to how black people were treated.

It's the same thing with the concept of the White Race. Since all the slaves were lumped as being black, they needed to developed a way to give white European colonists some form of brotherhood to develop a Us vs Them mentality.

I said it before and I will say it again I don't see Wikipedia as a trusted source. Anybody can write some made up facts in Wikipedia..

[2Cool]

I said it before and I will say it again I don't see Wikipedia as a trusted source. Anybody can write some made up facts in Wikipedia..

Wikipedia is very good. They did a research and how found that it's as reliable as Encyclopedia Britannica for scientific pages. It's perfectly fine for pages on common or important events such as this one. Besides, see all those numbers next to the sentences? Those are sources :) You can check them out if you doubt anything.

[Jon Snow]

Well the KKK pretty much started as an organization that wanted to bring back White Supremacy. That included murdering black people.

Yes, that all sounds appropriately awful and terrifying when you frame it in an emotional, non-fact-based context--and no doubt that's how the history was taught to you.

But let's, for just one moment, apply our thoughts to the facts at hand. Liebowitz already referenced the fact that only ~4,000 blacks were lynched over an 85 year period. These days, more whites are killed by blacks each and every month, despite the fact that we live in a wonderfully progressive, tolerant society. :rolleyes2:

Add that inconvenient truth to this one:


According to the Tuskegee Institute figures, between the years 1882 and 1951, 4,730 people were lynched in the United States: 3,437 Negro and 1,293 white.3 The largest number of lynchings occurred in 1892. Of the 230 persons lynched that year, 161 were Negroes and sixty-nine whites.

Contrary to present-day popular conception, lynching was not a crime committed exclusively against Black people. During the nineteenth century a significant minority of the lynching victims were white. Between the 1830s and the 1850s the majority of those lynched in the United States were whites.

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1979/2/79.02.04.x.html

I thoroughly expect you to ignore these figures, like you do every other fact which happens to contradict your demented worldview. :coffee:


White supremacy started in a similar way, it was all about suppressing the influence of non-whites. Usually this involves violence. Even today, if I look at the general mentality of white supremacist I wouldn't say that they are peaceful in their methods.

You've already conflated preservationism with nationalism; now you're conflating both with supremacy.

What were we debating again?


1) White Nationalism is an ideology that started on the offense: They targeted non-white with the aim of retaining white supremacy.

Well, sure. Every healthy group--religious, ethnic, racial or otherwise--advocates for their own self-interest.

It's only whites, however--yourself being the most obvious example--that so frequently work against the interests of themselves and their families. Some people are perhaps facetious when they refer to liberalism as a mental illness; to me, it couldn't be clearer that this is indeed the case.


2) Black nationalism is an ideology that started on the defense due to 1) and the long lasting effects of slavery and constant discrimination. This doesn't mean that they were necessarily peaceful, sometimes offense was the best form of offense in their. But Black Nationalism came forth as a defense mechanism due to how black people were treated.

I'm not going to bash black nationalists. They've had a moderate amount of success, due almost entirely to 1) their goals being in line with the goals of the wealthy white elite, and 2) the absence of self-loathing cunts like you amongst their ranks. :thumbs up

[Aces High]

Really.... the Peasant's Revolt?.... lol. That's all you have?


No,i just used it as an example.

You should do as i suggested and dig deeper into European history.......or then again dont.
Having you around being being pummeled by people who's knowledge is far superior to yours (and they arent even trying) is funny to watch.........and you spouting your comfy half informed left wing drivel converts more people to our side than you could ever imagine.

So carry on.:thumb001:

[Peyrol]

The effect of white slavery in the Ottoman Empire on white people is not comparable in any way to the effects that black slavery had on black people. Especially since the Atlantic slave trade is strongly tied with colonialism.

The problem with the bolded is that:

1) It doesn't make slavery right. The fact that in general black people in America live better than most black Africans doesn't mean that the Slave trade was justified. And until recently, black Americans were treated like total shit.

2) The current state of many African countries is related to the slave trade and colonialism. We don't know how most of Africa would be today if those two events didn't happen. We can speculate but that's just what is it. speculation.


Aahahahaha are you serious? They used to live on rainforest hitting cheetas with bolas and wearing banana leaf thongs before european arrive.


If build cities, streets, schools, waterworks, infrastructures, hospitals, defeating diseases, abolishing slavery and create equal opportunity between men and women (as Mussolini did in Ethiopia), importing massive food cultivations, give free istruction, increase lifespan, etc etc etc is "brutal colonization and ravage"...

[Han Cholo]

The effect of white slavery in the Ottoman Empire on white people is not comparable in any way to the effects that black slavery had on black people. Especially since the Atlantic slave trade is strongly tied with colonialism.

All slaveries have been minor. Otherwise Africa would be depleted. As if these slaves shipped all over the Americas were going to upgrade Africa. Slavery could not have perjudiced Africa because Nigger tribal kings profited from capturing slaves.



The problem with the bolded is that:

1) It doesn't make slavery right. The fact that in general black people in America live better than most black Africans doesn't mean that the Slave trade was justified. And until recently, black Americans were treated like total shit.

It was right for niggers at the time (and probably nowadays as well.) Most African slaves were sold by rival nigger tribes to European powers in exchange of goods.



2) The current state of many African countries is related to the slave trade and colonialism. We don't know how most of Africa would be today if those two events didn't happen. We can speculate but that's just what is it. speculation.

Probably around the same. The negro slave trades made great profit on the coast. Most of the slaves were captured in nigger battles and then sold to EUropeans. Europeans did not literally enter into the bush and capture negroes.

However, what would really be better if slave trade and colonialism did not happen, would be the countries that were infested with cockroaches such as Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Colombia, USA, Puerto Rico, etc.. and Haiti wouldn't exist.

[Peyrol]

Tripoli, Colonia della Libia, 1930

http://www.comeravamo.it/citta/tripoli_italiana.jpg


http://torelladelsannio.blog.tiscali.it/files/2011/03/Senza-nome1.jpg



Tripoli, now :laugh:

http://www.italialive.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tripoli.jpg


http://www.libanvision.com/image/tripoli5.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01773/tripoli_1773539b.jpg


Mogadiscio, Africa Orientale Italiana, 1939

http://trickster.lettere.unipd.it/archivio/2_citta/numero/rubriche/sguardi/scego_mogadiscio/immagini/palazzo%20della%20banca%20d%27Italia%201953.jpg


http://www.biyokulule.com/Mogadishu%201950s%28b%29.jpg


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/111115_Mogadishu1936.jpg

http://mogadishuimages.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/scan10004cropped.jpg?w=1024

http://mogadishuimages.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/scan100381.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2907398427_693222accd.jpg


Mogadishu, Somalia, now


http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/somalia2.jpg

http://www.biyokulule.com/admin/pictures/2111.jpg

http://traveldave.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MogadishuSomalia.jpg



But yeah, now they're free, fuck the evil euros!

[Vixen]

Instead white nationalism started as a club where people lynched black folks.

White Nationalism is a relativley broad term and I´m pretty sure that´s not how it all started. The KKK does not represent White Nationalism very well. It´s just a single unsavory facet of a very broad set of ideals.

[Contra Mundum]

Africa being a "paradise" before colonialism has been a staple of left wing propaganda for decades. They repeat the same old tired lines. It's like they're part of some religious cult.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Africa being a "paradise" before colonialism has been a staple of left wing propaganda for decades. They repeat the same old tired lines. It's like they're part of some religious cult.

Yet, Africans deserve self-determination, as do we all.

Blame whitey is part of the conspiracy, and a staple of all bad left-wing African dictators, such as the very clever, and very dangerous Robert Mugabe, who was himself installed and approved by ultra-capitalist Margaret Thatcher:


In 1997, the new British government led by Tony Blair unilaterally stopped funding the "willing buyer, willing seller" land reform programme on the basis that the initial £44million allocated under the Thatcher government was used to purchase land for members of the ruling elite rather than landless peasants.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe

Two sides of the same coin.

[Melina]

Wikipedia is very good. They did a research and how found that it's as reliable as Encyclopedia Britannica for scientific pages. It's perfectly fine for pages on common or important events such as this one. Besides, see all those numbers next to the sentences? Those are sources :) You can check them out if you doubt anything.

All I can tell you is everywhere blacks go they destroy and they always like to blame whites for their wrong doing.

[Elbegast]

The effect of white slavery in the Ottoman Empire on white people is not comparable in any way to the effects that black slavery had on black people. Especially since the Atlantic slave trade is strongly tied with colonialism.

The problem with the bolded is that:

1) It doesn't make slavery right. The fact that in general black people in America live better than most black Africans doesn't mean that the Slave trade was justified. And until recently, black Americans were treated like total shit.

2) The current state of many African countries is related to the slave trade and colonialism. We don't know how most of Africa would be today if those two events didn't happen. We can speculate but that's just what is it. speculation.

Decimator and Perduellio already answered you about it. But if you think that blacks would be better off living in a primitive form, what can I do?

[ethnopluralist]

The Grammy award winner, Cee Lo Green, esteemed for his famous song F**k You, singing about the white boys' sinister plan to oppress black people.

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[Dead Eye]

And they are still allowed to keep their jobs?:eek:
Talk about double standards.

[ethnopluralist]

This is another video that alienates me a lot; It is from Young Jeezy who is signed under def jam records, which is owned by Russel Simmons.

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