Sicilian people.

[Sikeliot]

My last thread about it. But this time I included everyone. So choose all that fit.

Some pics

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[Archduke]

Spanish, Portoguese, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians etc. I don't know why some people in this thread will vote for Bulgarians, Serbs and Bosnians, we are very far from Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

Spanish, Portoguese, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians etc. I don't know why some people in this thread will vote for Bulgarians, Serbs and Bosnians, we are very far from Sicilians.

Bulgarian makes some sense to me. But not so much Serbs and Bosnians.

More:


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[Archduke]

Bulgarian makes some sense to me. But not so much Serbs and Bosnians.

Sicilians don't overlap with Bulgarians at all IMO.

[Contra Mundum]

I'm going with the Finns. :D

[Aivap]

Bulgarian makes some sense to me. But not so much Serbs and Bosnians.

In fact Sicilians look more Bulgarian than western mediterraneans.
But probably our balcanic friends in this forum are ashamed to be compared to Sicilians. -.-

[Archduke]

In fact Sicilians look more Bulgarian than western mediterraneans.
But probably our balcanic friends in this forum are ashamed to be compared to Sicilians. -.-

Sorry, but i'm realistic. I can't comapre bulgarians with one of the most swarthiest people in Europe. Maybe people from the Black sea coast, like me can overlap with sicilians.

[Kanuni]

Sorry, but i'm realistic. I can't comapre bulgarians with one of the most swarthiest people in Europe. Maybe people from the Black sea coast, like me can overlap with sicilians.

Bulgarians are one of the swarthiest and with more Anatolian genetic admixture than other Europeans.Hence my vote goes to Bulgaria too.

[Aivap]

Sorry, but i'm realistic. I can't comapre bulgarians with one of the most swarthiest people in Europe. Maybe people from the Black sea coast, like me can overlap with sicilians.

no, you're not realistic. I don't undestand why you have voted Turkish and Spanish but not Bulgarians. Bulgaria borders with Turkey and many Bulgarians look like turks, so Bulgarians should look like Sicilians!

[Virtuous]

AHEMaltese AHEMaltese....god this coughing is killing me :D

[Archduke]

no, you're not realistic. I don't undestand why you have voted Turkish and Spanish but not Bulgarians. Bulgaria borders with Turkey and many Bulgarians look like turks, so Bulgarians should look like Sicilians!

There is a big difference between turks in Eastern Thrace, where 600 000 bulgarians (pomaks) live, and the swarthy turks from Anatolia. I know my people better than you.


Bulgarians are one of the swarthiest and with more Anatolian genetic admixture than other Europeans.Hence my vote goes to Bulgaria too.

Can you prove it? The last genetic test said that bulgarians are mix of slavs and meditareanian people. I think we have to stop with this non-topic.

[Vixen]

Continental Italians, Sardinians, Greeks and Maltese.

[Aivap]

There is a big difference between turks in Eastern Thrace, where 600 000 bulgarians (pomaks) live, and the swarthy turks from Anatolia. I know my people better than you.



Can you prove it? The last genetic test said that bulgarians are mix of slavs and meditareanian people. I think we have to stop with this non-topic.

there are bigger differences between Sicilians and Spaniards than between Bulgarians and Turks.
I know how you look like.

[Midori]

Bulgarian makes some sense to me. But not so much Serbs and Bosnians.

Both Bulgarians and Bosnians overlap with Serbs, not Sicilians.

[Archduke]

there are bigger differences between Sicilians and Spaniards than between Bulgarians and Turks.
I know how you look like.

Ok, ok i agree with you, bulgarians overlap with sicilians. How many bulgarians did you see in real life? 1,2,3,0? Can you tell me what are the similarities between bulgarians and turk? There are no turkish genes found in bulgarians. It's very cute when a foreigner knows more about my own nation. :wink Also, you don't know how i look like, because i never posted pics here. :coffee:

[gold_fenix]

Sicilian i think they are particullary different to other europeans, it is difficult to make a comparison with they

[Damião de Góis]

In fact Sicilians look more Bulgarian than western mediterraneans.


Maybe, at least genetically, BG is closer to southern IT than southern IT is closer to ES and PT.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets/2008/09/02/200890221.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I still maintain Bulgarian is a reasonable place to put for this. Most of you claimed I looked like my father and then preceded to say I could pass as a Balkan Slav, no?

[Ibericus]

Greece, Maltese, Other Italian, Jews, imo not much else.

[Archduke]

Maybe, at least genetically, BG is closer to southern IT than southern IT is closer to ES and PT.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets/2008/09/02/200890221.jpg

This map shows the opposite. I believe Bulgaria is around former Yugoslavia.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/europevariation-752360.jpg

[Sikeliot]

This map shows the opposite. I believe Bulgaria is around former Yugoslavia.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/europevariation-752360.jpg

Those are all Italians from around Marche and Lazio area in that study (I know it - I will try to find sources).

[Kalitas]

All south balkans followed by North italians

[Ibericus]

This map shows the opposite. I believe Bulgaria is around former Yugoslavia.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/europevariation-752360.jpg
In this table of genetic distances from Nelis et al. 2009, the Bulgarians are closer to South Italy than Spain :

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[Sikeliot]

In this table of genetic distances from Nelis et al. 2009, the Bulgarians are closer to South Italy than Spain :

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8122/nelisetal.png

I don't know why that'd be a surprise to anyone. Bulgaria may have more Northern European and Slavic elements, but Iberia altogether lacks the Neolithic element and Bulgaria would have it.

Either way I don't perceive either group as substantially closer physically to Sicily or southern Italy than the other. Neither one is a perfect match.

[askra]

Sicilians are a very etherogeneous population, so they can overlap in many parts of southern Europe,
Sicilians belonging to gracile-med, alpine-med and atlantid subrace fit in south west europe
while dinaroid, dinaro-med and east meds sicilian fit better in south east europe (Balkans) and Turkey.

[Sikeliot]

Atlantid usually comes mixed with other things though.

[Midori]

I still maintain Bulgarian is a reasonable place to put for this. Most of you claimed I looked like my father and then preceded to say I could pass as a Balkan Slav, no?

You can pass as a Balkan Slav because of your Slavic (Polish?) admixture

[Sikeliot]

You can pass as a Balkan Slav because of your Slavic (Polish?) admixture

I look nothing like my grandfather though, so I don't know. What you are saying may be true however.

[SilverKnight]

mainly Greeks, Sardinians, S. Italians, some Iberians, Maltese, Berbers, and Saphari Jews.

[Incal]

South Spaniards, Greeks, Maltese, Cypriots, some Lebanese and maybe some Tunisians. That's on average. Of course you can find some Sicilianos who look Swiss, Croatian, etc here and there.

[Yaroslav]

Maltese and Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

South Spaniards, Greeks, Maltese, Cypriots, some Lebanese and maybe some Tunisians. That's on average. Of course you can find some Sicilianos who look Swiss, Croatian, etc here and there.

I think the gradient in Spain is an east/west one more than north/south, but that's a separate subject I made a thread for.

[Yaroslav]

Iberians look like tanned British. North Italians look like tanned Germans. One's shade doesn't determine how someone looks, there are many other characteristics that need to be considered.

[Sikeliot]

Iberians look like tanned British.

I used to think this, and no one agreed. :lol:

Iberians have a Med look often enough but have a lot more Cromagnid and Atlantid than other South Euros.

[Prince Carlo]

Those are all Italians from around Marche and Lazio area in that study (I know it - I will try to find sources).

The sample is from Rome. People from all the regions of Italy settled in Rome.

PS The greek sample is from Northern Greece. Otherwise Greeks would form a cluster with S.Italians.

[Sikeliot]

The sample is from Rome. People from all the regions if Italy settled in Rome.

PS The greek sample is from Northern Greece. Otherwise Greeks would form a cluster with S.Italians.

That makes sense. Northern Greeks have some Slavic influences.

[Anthropologique]

On a consistent basis, Greeks and Maltese.

[Sikeliot]

Some people from eastern Sicily

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[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Spaniards ,Portuguese ,Greeks ,Maltese

[Linet]

Sicilians are made of Greek and Italian dna...in a percentage 75% greek, 20% italian and 5% small other mixes.
I dont understand why you overnalyse things, especially when you dont even care to know their history and you just throw things.

[Maddy]

I picked Lebanese and Greeks

[memobekes]

In groups I gather?

I voted for Italians, Greeks, Maltese and Spaniards-Portuguese.

[Sikeliot]

Some more people

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[Hilda]

Haha, who voted for the Jews?

[Midori]

Haha, who voted for the Jews?

They do have some overlap with Jews.

[Sikeliot]

They do have some overlap with Jews.

Sephardis more so than Ashkenazis IMO.

[Midori]

Sephardis more so than Ashkenazis IMO.

I voted for Ashkenazis, but now that I've thought about it again I remembered that most of them have an Eastern European look so I guess you're right.

[Sikeliot]

I voted for Ashkenazis, but now that I've thought about it again I remembered that most of them have an Eastern European look so I guess you're right.

Also to me, Sephardis look more like a Mediterranean group while Ashkenazis look some kind of Armenoid altered by more northern components. Oddly enough the two groups cluster the same genetically.

[accepthetruth]

I picked; french (some), greeks, lebanese and syrians (of course), armenians, and sephardi jews.

Danny Thomas (Leb-American actor, founder of St. Judes children's hospital) was WB's original idea to play Don Vito Corleone in the Godfather.

[heyaitsme]

Northern Italians and Sardinians I would assume.

[Hess]

for the record, I define "overlap" in a very broad sense. That is, if at least 5% of the people from nation x can fit in nation y, then the two nations overlap.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I selected, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese, Syrians, Assyrians, Iranians, Egyptians, Berbers, Kurds and Mexicans.

A picture of my friend, she's an American of Southern Italian ancestry. This woman's demeanor is reminiscent of some Middle Eastern phenotypes.

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Very beautiful woman. I also want to emphasize that the Non-European ethnicities I listed, typically include exceptional instances. Danny Thomas would be one of them, another would be Ralph Nader.

[StonyArabia]

Assyrians, Berbers, Armenians, and Turks

[Richard]

Alcamo people
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[Foxy]

Just to end the topic: you are NOT Sicilian. You are a Sicilian-Portuguese mix with some Polish and some African. :rolleyes2:

[le penalty]

I thought sicilians darker. Big majority can pass in france.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Just to end the topic: you are NOT Sicilian. You are a Sicilian-Portuguese mix with some Polish and some African. :rolleyes2:

She's Sicilian, I thought she was only of Portuguese descent with some Slavic and North African admixture.

[Artavazt]

Has any one been in sicilia ???

I voted Greece,portugal and spain but i cant say that i chose the right options cause iv never been there.

[Nurzat]

greeks and maltese overlap with sicilians, as proved by genetic tests. it is just history getting confirmed as southern italy has always been greek genetically after the magna graecia period :P they were still speaking greek massively until late middle ages and in a few places they are still speaking it

now some southern italians have a more levantine vibe while others a more northern italian vibe, so you can point to this kind of specimens and say south italians look lebanese or south italians look just like north italians, but both assumptions would be wrong

[Sikeliot]

greeks and maltese overlap with sicilians, as proved by genetic tests. it is just history getting confirmed as southern italy has always been greek genetically after the magna graecia period :P they were still speaking greek massively until late middle ages and in a few places they are still speaking it

If someone posted pictures of people from the three places (Malta, Greece, Sicily) would you be able, with accuracy, to place them?

I've never posted Maltese versus Greek for guessing but I may soon.

[Linet]

South Italians and Sikelia... (sikelia= siki+elea =figs + olives= the land of the figs and the olives)

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Chu6UtjWIWg

[Sikeliot]

Are you sure that's the origin of the name? I thought it was because the original pre-Greek population that the Greeks encountered were called the Sikels, so Greeks called the area Sikelia.

[Linet]

Totaly sure its teh land of the figs and the olives... Its not something anyone would doubt but a known fact.
Can you please fix my post to the videos will be shown? Please :)

[Linet]

thanks :D...

[Sikeliot]

The second video isn't coming up, it's not anything I can fix. :(

[Arcaius]

greek of course

[Midori]

Do Sicilians have a lot of Greek blood?

[Peyrol]

They do have some overlap with Jews.

Sephardic, not Askhenazi.

[Sikeliot]

Do Sicilians have a lot of Greek blood?

In some areas more than others. People from Catania, Messina, and Syracuse are probably close to 100% Ancient Greek, whereas the amount would be less in Trapani or Palermo, where Greek settlements were fewer and the Phoenicians traditionally lived.



Sephardic, not Askhenazi.

True. Ashkenazis have a weird look that I don't know where it comes from.. but it's not Mediterranean. Sephardis look Mediterranean.

[Midori]

In some areas more than others. People from Catania, Messina, and Syracuse are probably close to 100% Ancient Greek, whereas the amount would be less in Trapani or Palermo, where Greek settlements were fewer and the Phoenicians traditionally lived.


Thanks. That explains why they overlap with Greeks so much.

[Peyrol]

I picked; french (some), greeks, lebanese and syrians (of course), armenians, and sephardi jews.

Danny Thomas (Leb-American actor, founder of St. Judes children's hospital) was WB's original idea to play Don Vito Corleone in the Godfather.

Are you been in the island? Or your knowlege is hollywoodian?


I selected, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese, Syrians, Assyrians, Iranians, Egyptians, Berbers, Kurds and Mexicans.

A picture of my friend, she's an American of Southern Italian ancestry. This woman's demeanor is reminiscent of some Middle Eastern phenotypes.





Very beautiful woman. I also want to emphasize that the Non-European ethnicities I listed, typically include exceptional instances. Danny Thomas would be one of them, another would be Ralph Nader.

Same as above, you don't know nothing about the island and you never been in Sicilia.
Just a precisation: sicilian american =/= sicilian.

Mexicans...egyptian....:lol::lol::lol::


Assyrians, Berbers, Armenians, and Turks

No, yes, yes, very few due to the common hellenistic background.


Has any one been in sicilia ???

I voted Greece,portugal and spain but i cant say that i chose the right options cause iv never been there.

Oh, finally, after many yanqui, an armenian man who wrote true arguments :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

Thanks. That explains why they overlap with Greeks so much.

Except northern Greeks, who look more Slavic/Balkan to me.

But Greeks like this, look basically the same as Sicilians to me

http://patrasevents.gr/Photos/Galleries/8e5082ed-6b41-41e2-82ba-e0939f5ce52c/photo_d444e575-a932-4b05-920f-6ff0c2b70d0f.jpghttp://patrasevents.gr/Photos/Galleries/8e5082ed-6b41-41e2-82ba-e0939f5ce52c/photo_87b7eb25-74fc-44c5-b46f-4b6a483080b4.jpghttp://patrasevents.gr/Photos/Galleries/8e5082ed-6b41-41e2-82ba-e0939f5ce52c/photo_bb8250d4-b6a5-4582-8b46-9e415ac8e5f6.jpghttp://patrasevents.gr/Photos/Galleries/8e5082ed-6b41-41e2-82ba-e0939f5ce52c/photo_d3ba6133-d749-4f7d-9d27-be10afd7ae2c.jpg

[Peyrol]

South Italians and Sikelia... (sikelia= siki+elea =figs + olives= the land of the figs and the olives)

0fVwPd89XAg

w-2toRvlsEo

HuZwaDRio4A

VUSlzl7oz6E

eIw4GKqGU7I

Chu6UtjWIWg

True, true and again...true!!!

75% of modern sicilian population is directly descent of doric/ionic colonist of the Megas Hellas; Dyonision the Great, emperor of Sicily and tyrann of Syrakousa, wrote how, in less than 150 years, greeks outnumbered indigenous sikel, sikanes and elymes.

A lot of sicilian surnames have greek heritage, and the most common sicilian name, Calogero, means "bringer of beauty".

Colonial greek is still spoken in some zones of the island, and also in Calabria and Apulia.

An example of colonial greek language

htKsZVDVNEs

EDIT. ...oops, you already posted the song.

[Linet]

Are you doing that on purpose? I think i ll post all of my friends and let you tell me who is Macedonian and who is not... and of course when i talk about Macedonians i only mean the Greeks...

[Sikeliot]

Are you doing that on purpose? I think i ll post all of my friends and let you tell me who is Macedonian and who is not... and of course when i talk about Macedonians i only mean the Greeks...

It was more a generalized statement that northern Greeks look more Balkan/Eastern European influenced and would often have appearances not common to Sicily, as opposed to Peloponnese and islander Greeks who look similar.

[Peyrol]

Another colonial greek song from Calabria, this is definitely a ionic dialect, not doric.

ZRjgr2-2KyA

[Sikeliot]

Did anyone post the song Kali'Nifta yet. It's an Apulian song and in Griko.

Griko is probably close to what Sicilians, Calabrese, etc. would be speaking today if they had not been Latinized.

[Peyrol]

Did anyone post the song Kali'Nifta yet. It's an Apulian song and in Griko.

Griko is probably close to what Sicilians, Calabrese, etc. would be speaking today if they had not been Latinized.

Sicilian greek, except for the calabrese variant (the song i posted before), disappeared during Al Mamun's berber conquest of the island, when the language (spoken in the island for millenials) was forbidden, and some speakers refuged in Calabria.

Spoken calabrian greek

3YG4RA1RRI0

SqIhoshpotI

[Sikeliot]

Here are some Syracusans.. you guys can decide if they look Greek or not. Syracuse was the most significant Greek colonies in Sicily.

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[Linet]

You know Perduelio, i really admire that to Italians... they are history lovers and they are fair. They say the truth in what is theirs and what is not.... I suppose thats what means to have a long andstrong history.... you know your roots and you have no complexes...
In here...you are really an Oasis.... <3

And yes they look Greek :)

PS. When they speak Grico, they are perfectly understandable in what they say.

[Mary]

I think Greeks and Maltese. No one else really.

[Steel Storm]

Albania,Serbia,Greece,Turkey,Macedonia

[Illirico]

Haplogroups reflect the most ancient genetic influences, dating to at least 8,000 years ago. These can be traced easily along the main patrilineal line (your father's father et al.) or Y-chromosome. While this is a tiny fragment of one's genetic heritage, it is easy to isolate.

Haplogroup M173, associated with the descendants of the first waves of humans into Europe (often seen as a branch of the Cro-Magnon haplogroup M343, or R1b), is widespread in Sicily and indeed across Europe, where many English (including some 70% of Englishmen in southern England) and French share it. Today it is most prevalent (90%) among the Spanish and Irish. M173 originated about 30,000 years ago. In effect, some 80% of western Europeans living today are in this haplogroup. Though the neolithic Proto-Sicanians were probably part of this haplogroup, many Sicilians more likely inherited it from ancestors descended from subsequent foreign conquerors arriving from the North and West --Sicels, Romans, Visigoths, Vandals, Normans, Lombards, Swabians (Germans), Angevins (French) and Spaniards among them -- but possibly from some Greeks as well. (These observations are only intended as generalities.)

In Sicily one of the most interesting haplogroups to geneticists is the much more recent M172 (also called J2), probably introduced about 8,000 BC with the introducton of agriculture to a native people sometimes referred to as the "Proto-Sicanians." At least 21% of Sicilians carry the marker for this haplotype (probably about 19% throughout Europe), and no more than 10% of people in regions such as Spain, but it is very frequent in the Middle East, Ethiopia and particularly the Caucasus region of west-central Asia (where it reaches 90%), and is present among some central-Europeans and north-Africans.

It has been plausibly suggested that M172 may be associated with the arrival of neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent who were the probable predecessors of the Indo-European society which later emerged in western Asia, a "hypothetical" society whose culture and language greatly influenced prehistoric peoples from India to Ireland. The language of Sicily's Sicanians does not seem to have had Indo-European roots, though the issue is far from conclusive. However, the comparatively sophisticated farmers from the East must have had an influence in prehistoric Sicily as elsewhere in the Mediterranean and western Europe (only the Basques' ancestors may have been largely untouched by the earliest Proto-Indo-European influences). Later, it is unlikely that the Indo-Europeans actually supplanted entire populations; they probably represent an influx of a few migratory waves of settlers whose language and culture greatly influenced those of peoples already present. Lines bearing haplotype M172 could have arrived in Sicily with various waves of colonisers from the South and East --Elymians (probably from Anatolia), Phoenicians (and Carthaginians), Greeks, Byzantines and Arabs among them --but possibly from some Romans and (in the late 1400s) Albanians as well. (These observations, like those about M173, are only intended as generalities.)

Several early observations (they are hardly "conclusions") emerge from research conducted thus far. The notion that certain parts of Sicily still genetically reflect the influence of specific ancient peoples (Phoenicians, Greeks) has been largely disproven, yet certain small, relatively-isolated towns seem to be marked by a predominance of one medieval group or another (Arab, Norman). Leaving aside specialized studies, if we consider the major Y haplogroups, Sicily's population-genetic distribution is somewhat similar (though by no means identical) to mainland Italy's. If only approximately the proportions are: J Group (J1, J2, etc.) 35%, R Group (primarily R1b) 25%, I Group 15%, K Group 10%, H Group 10%, Others 5%. Along female lines, Sicilians' descent from the "Seven Daughters of Eve" seems to be distributed fairly equally, but much more data must be collected in this area. These factors (and scholarly studies) all point to the island's multi-peopling as the main cause of its genetic diversity.

Without the influx of significant "foreign" genetic influences (admixture) over time, a small, localised population might become "inbred" in a matter of centuries. If this were the case in Sicily, today's Sicilians would be genetically identical to the Proto-Sicanians of 6000 years ago. Instead, they reflect a fair degree of genetic diversity.

http://www.bestofsicily.com/genetics_pie.gif

Ethno-Regional Origins
Attempts to ascertain Sicilian "ethnic" origins should be undertaken with caution because haplogroups do not correspond precisely to medieval or modern conceptions of nationality. At best, they are approximate. For example, J2 is identified with Greeks but also with some Germans.

Speaking very broadly, the most frequent Y haplogroups of the world's most conquered island may be correlated most probably (albeit imprecisely) to the following peoples:
• J1 - Arabs, Berbers, Carthaginians, Jews,
• J2 - Greeks, Romans, Jews, Spaniards,
• R1b - Germans, Normans, Longobards, Aragonese, Spaniards, Romans,
• I1 & I2b - Vikings and Normans,
• I & I2a - Elymians,
• G - Arabs and Elymians,
• N - Vikings and Normans,
• E1b1b - Arabs and Berbers,
• K - Arabs, Greeks, Berbers, Carthaginians,
• H - Arabs,
• T - Phoenicians, Carthaginians.

To make effective use of our map requires at least 37 "recent" Y-chromosome markers rather than the 12 ancient ones revealed by basic haplogroup tests, and SNP or subclade identification.

http://www.bestofsicily.com/genealogy_markers.gif

[Sikeliot]

Some pics

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[Quorra]

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539956_3630942385044_1346997267_n.jpg

Hey look, it's a man harem!

[Linet]

Mmm, i wouldnt be able to tell them apart from our people here...

[Riki]

I cannot vote as I personally only met to People from Sardinia.
But one thing I can tell,is that they don't look Iberians at all.

[Sikeliot]

Other thoughts?

[Radogost]

I chose Greek, Levantines (facial look) and obvious Italians.

[Foxy]

Those are all Italians from around Marche and Lazio area in that study (I know it - I will try to find sources).

Thank you for the info, as I am central Italian myself.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/europevariation-752360.jpg

This shows btw that C. Italians cluster partially with Spaniards and partially with Yugoslavians (I bet more with those from the souther countries like Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia). If so, this would suggest that Bulgarians don't cluster with Sicilians but there is some overlap with C. Italians. This would also explain why when I opened the thread about people from Abruzzo many said that the closer in look to us, after Italy, was Albania. Btw Central Italians arrive until France in your map, I bet more with S. East France.

Sorry 4 the OT.

[Foxy]

I choose Greeks, Italians (mostly southerns) but I have seen also Iberians who looked Sicilians and Sicilians who looked Iberians, although you may not like it, Sleepy. It is undeniable that some Sicilians have a west mediterranean look.

[Sikeliot]

I choose Greeks, Italians (mostly southerns) but I have seen also Iberians who looked Sicilians and Sicilians who looked Iberians, although you may not like it, Sleepy. It is undeniable that some Sicilians have a west mediterranean look.

I can agree with some overlap to Spain (although I wouldn't say it's that significant, it's the same amount of overlap you'd find with say, Syria only in the opposite direction), but I have never seen a Portuguese person who looked Sicilian at all.

I'll say the same back but in reverse.. I think there is an equal overlap with the Levant despite you might dislike it.. there are undoubtedly some Sicilians with a Levantine look.

Either way both are the extremes, and most will look neither like a Spaniard nor a Levantine.

[Sikelos]

South Italians and Sikelia... (sikelia= siki+elea =figs + olives= the land of the figs and the olives)

What? Sikelia, and Sicilia (the latin translation), means "land of sikels".

[Njegosh]

Greeks IMO

[Dilberth]

Greeks, Italians (mostly southerns).

[bimo]

Spanish, Portoguese, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians etc. I don't know why some people in this thread will vote for Bulgarians, Serbs and Bosnians, we are very far from Sicilians.

LOL , turks and armenians don't have nothing to do with sicilians!!!

are very pathetic those balkan member like you who think balkan people are lighter than italian

for your information north italian are slightly lighter than your people , and italians from the alps are 10 times lighter and more central europeean influenced than bulgarian serbs southern romanian bosnian ecc ecc who are woggish land compared with italian from trentino friuli or valle d'aosta regions

[Oghurkhan]

I think mostly the other Italian peoples, Sardinians, Corsicans, Maltese, Greeks, but also with Berbers. sometimes it's possible to see some Levantine feautures too.

[Strawberry]

Greek, Armenians, lebanese, portugese, maltese

[The Lively Rock]

I voted;
Spaniards, Portuguese, Turks, Armenians, Assyrians, Iranians, Kurds and Mexicans
So let's discuss this
As for Spaniards and Sicilians, i think they look alike in the result of having evolved on the similar latitudes, i.e. similar sun angle, similar climate etc.
But Spaniards got mixed with northern people and also with some Arabs in Arab-Expansion (1000 years ago or so)
I would say the same for the Portuguese and Sicilians
Oh, Turks and Sicilians.
This is more complex than it looks.
If one means "Turkey" by Turks. Then it's not really ethnically Turk but a mixture of people from Anatolia, and people somehow came to Anatolia in a period in time.
But since general features such as hair color, skin color and body types are similar, we can say Sicilians overlap with Turks too.(If we exclude the percentage that has lighter features, which is not so uncommon in Western parts of Turkey)
As for the rest, i would say they're similar

[Linet]

I voted;
Spaniards, Portuguese, Turks, Armenians, Assyrians, Iranians, Kurds and Mexicans
So let's discuss this
As for Spaniards and Sicilians, i think they look alike in the result of having evolved on the similar latitudes, i.e. similar sun angle, similar climate etc.
But Spaniards got mixed with northern people and also with some Arabs in Arab-Expansion (1000 years ago or so)
I would say the same for the Portuguese and Sicilians
Oh, Turks and Sicilians.
This is more complex than it looks.
If one means "Turkey" by Turks. Then it's not really ethnically Turk but a mixture of people from Anatolia, and people somehow came to Anatolia in a period in time.
But since general features such as hair color, skin color and body types are similar, we can say Sicilians overlap with Turks too.(If we exclude the percentage that has lighter features, which is not so uncommon in Western parts of Turkey)
As for the rest, i would say they're similar

What a surprice...not even a reference to Greece...:thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

Greece, Sardinia, and Malta are probably the most accurate choices IMO.

[Linet]

Greece, Sardinia, and Malta are probably the most accurate choices IMO.

Why Malta and Sardinia?

[Meerkat.86]

Greece, Sardinia, and Malta are probably the most accurate choices IMO.


Why Malta and Sardinia?

Why Sardinia?

Sardinia and Sicily have genetic components that don't overlap, they are two island that never had historical contacts and also phenotypic features are usually different.

[Demhat]

Since I know some Sicilians (have some good friends whoms photos I dont want to post). They look at first most similar to other Italians, followed by Greeks, Iberians, Bulgarians. And imo there is also a clear overlapping with Levantines, Kurds, Turks, Iranians, Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

[Sikeliot]

Why Sardinia?

Sardinia and Sicily have genetic components that don't overlap, they are two island that never had historical contacts and also phenotypic features are usually different.

Some Sicilians have a generalized Med phenotype that resembles some Sardinians. Overall they do look different though.

[Frigga]

With the far flung reach of the Roman Empire two thousand years ago, and with the tendency for the common soldiers to "sow their wild oats", genetic material is spread quite far and wide. And no matter how "white" a particular country is able to be generally, there are always swarthy representations of them that have been there for forever. For example my brother's German in laws are dark and swarthy with large noses. My husband's Finnish in laws (there's two sets, as two siblings married Finns) are all dark complexioned. So, everyone gets my vote. ;)

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Just because there are examples of "dark" or "swarthy" Germans, doesn't entail that whatever notion anyone has about what constitutes a swarthy German applies to everyone else. Especially Middle Easterners, since the swarthy are more inclined to be darker and less European in appearance overall than swarthy Europeans.

Let me give you an example.

This is an Italian woman from Brooklyn, New York. She's what I'd call a swarthy European.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427876_10150640509272271_221239962_n.jpg

This is an Assyrian woman from Iraq.

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/369518_1296425421_1950922623_n.jpg

It's quite obvious which one is more European in appearance.

[Prince Carlo]

now some southern italians have a more levantine vibe while others a more northern italian vibe, so you can point to this kind of specimens and say south italians look lebanese or south italians look just like north italians, but both assumptions would be wrong

Lebanese ok. Other Coastal Levantis have too much S.Asian and African admix and simply look different (regardless of their med-west asian substratum.)

[Christina]

Why did you put South Americans?
They are not ethnicities.

[accepthetruth]

LOL , turks and armenians don't have nothing to do with sicilians!!!

are very pathetic those balkan member like you who think balkan people are lighter than italian

for your information north italian are slightly lighter than your people , and italians from the alps are 10 times lighter and more central europeean influenced than bulgarian serbs southern romanian bosnian ecc ecc who are woggish land compared with italian from trentino friuli or valle d'aosta regions

on the contrary. A good amount of Armenians have levantine (or lebanese/phonecian) admixture, and in turn, SOME sicilians have phoenician/modern day CATHOLIC lebanese admixture

[billErobreren]

Puerto Ricans?!:blink: well the whiter ones, I guess. many of them do look like our "our" Italians:rolleyes: but that's most likely due to Corsicans, Italians & Canarians that immigrated there. suddenly those Gotti kids & those dried-up ho-bags from "Mob Wives" come to mind(Italians, you can rest easy. cuz I didn't pick them)

As for my choices. I picked Greeks, Maltese & Continental Italians.

& to some degree since many do have a Western look Frenchies, Spaniards & the Portuguese

[Sikeliot]

Puerto Ricans?!:wink: well the whiter ones, I guess. many of them do look like our "our" Italians:rolleyes: but that's most likely due to Corsicans, Italians & Canarians that immigrated there. suddenly those Gotti kids & those dried-up ho-bags from "Mob Wives" come to mind(Italians, you can rest easy. cuz I didn't pick them)

All of the Puerto Ricans I know look mixed with black.

For the record, the Gotti kids are half Jewish. Ashkenazi I think.

[Stefan]

All of the Puerto Ricans I know look mixed with black.

He did specify the white-looking ones, which certainly do exist.

I don't think men like this would look out of place, for example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Diego_E._Hernandez.jpeg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Nick_Estavillo.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Miguel_Rodriguez.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/HectorLuisAcevedo2005nyc.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Maurice_Ferre_2009.jpg

[Sikeliot]

First one looks like a western Turk. He could fit but not typical.

The middle three would fit, although I maintain they do not look like the Puerto Ricans in my area.

Last one looks like George Bush, he would not pass.

[billErobreren]

All of the Puerto Ricans I know look mixed with black.

For the record, the Gotti kids are half Jewish. Ashkenazi I think.

Well, more like a quarter since it comes from their maternal grandmother who was of Russian Jewish background & John Gotti was "fully" Italian, as was their father...apparently.

Russian Jews do vary in looks:
http://www.jafi.org.il/NR/rdonlyres/F68A30BA-59E3-4814-970C-BD2B0EC7DB27/7610/jtadec24a.jpg
http://www.sem40.ru/famous2/img2/165.jpg
http://www.sem40.ru/famous/img/Shifrin1.jpg
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/photos/large/2001_05/2001_05_28/abramovich_2.jpg

it's weird that they'd wind up looking like this:
http://stardomreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Gotti-Boys.jpg
although they are followers of that tacky little subculture(GUIDOS) which can make a person look completely different.

[Stefan]

Last one looks like George Bush, he would not pass.

I think the last one looks quite Southwestern European, very Iberian-looking to me. His nose especially seems common of the old Portuguese and Spanish explorers. So if he doesn't fit in Sicily, it's probably for that reason. I don't think he looks like George W. Bush, maybe George senior though.

A few more Puerto Ricans I think could at least overlap.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Henry_Darrow.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Lymari_Nadal.jpg/220px-Lymari_Nadal.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/RRsolo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Marquita_Rivera_3.jpg/300px-Marquita_Rivera_3.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Anyone who over-tans and styles their hair in that hideous manner would look like that. I know people of various backgrounds who look like that due to that hideous fashion style.

[Sikeliot]

I think the last one looks quite Southwestern European, very Iberian-looking to me. His nose especially seems common of the old Portuguese and Spanish explorers. So if he doesn't fit in Sicily, it's probably for that reason. I don't think he looks like George W. Bush, maybe George senior though.

A few more Puerto Ricans I think could at least overlap.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Henry_Darrow.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Lymari_Nadal.jpg/220px-Lymari_Nadal.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/RRsolo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Marquita_Rivera_3.jpg/300px-Marquita_Rivera_3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Eduardo_Georgetti.jpg

First guy no (looks more French like). Last guy looks quadroon so no. The middle ones, kind of.

Either way, to me in my mind a Puerto Rican looks like this

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg40/scaled.php?server=40&filename=pr10.jpg&res=landing

and many more of them look Berber than SE European.

[Stefan]

First guy no (looks more French like). Last guy looks quadroon so no. The middle ones, kind of.

Either way, to me in my mind a Puerto Rican looks like this

Well I'm not saying they'll be archetypes of the Sicilian, just that they'd overlap. You don't think there are people who would fit in both France and Sicily? As for the last guy, I agree. I deleted him in an edit.



http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg40/scaled.php?server=40&filename=pr10.jpg&res=landing

and many more of them look Berber than SE European.

I think analyzing only one sample of an entire population is quite deceiving. Yes, many Puerto Ricans do look like that, but certainly many look more mono-racial as well; either it be African or European, and in the rare case - Amerindian.

[kdm1984]

Without knowing the current results, I picked Spaniards, Northern Italians, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese and Syrians, Sephardi Jews, Assyrians, Iranians, and Berbers. The often swarthy complexions, aquiline/prominent noses, and angular features of these groups overlap with the Sicilian type the most, IMO. This isn't to say none of the other groups overlap in any way, but these twelve seem to overlap the most based on my observations. I do not think the paler, less angular western and eastern Euro groups, or the admixed Spanish/Amerind groups like the Mexicans, et al. overlap nearly as much.

[Sikeliot]

Without knowing the current results, I picked Spaniards, Northern Italians, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese and Syrians, Sephardi Jews, Assyrians, Iranians, and Berbers. The often swarthy complexions, aquiline/prominent noses, and angular features of these groups overlap with the Sicilian type the most, IMO. This isn't to say none of the other groups overlap in any way, but these twelve seem to overlap the most based on my observations. I do not think the paler, less angular western and eastern Euro groups, or the admixed Spanish/Amerind groups like the Mexicans, et al. overlap nearly as much.

I agree with your list. I also think there is more overlap with Spain than with Portugal, due to a higher prevalence of "pointy" features in Spain and less Cromagnid.

Of the Latin Americans, I think Cubans are the closest. White ones, at least.;)

[Xenomorph]

Greeks

[SouthernEuro]

The population in the Sicilian landmass is quite atypical from the rest of Europe. There are too many ancestral groups concentrated in insular Italy.

Though in my opinion, the closest relatives to Sicily would be of course the continental Italians and Sardinians alike, followed by Askhenazi Jews and the Near-Eastern Greco-Anatiolians, such as Turks and Cypriots.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8024/7606002324_1194f5e27a_b.jpg

Obviously this is biased altogether, on what they cluster by predominance.
Hence the haplotype "J2".

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7231/6922380462_36a2e466da_b.jpg

[Ugo Tognazzi]

overlaps French, Spanish, N Italians,Maltese and Greeks

I also voted for Berberid (as in the more euripid North African types)

i forgot Portuguese, and maybe at least one middle eastern country

[xajapa]

Of the ethnicities that have drawn a large number of votes, I included all of them in my vote, except for the Spaniards, Portuguese, and Northern Italians. I debated including the first two; I was certain that I did not wish to include the last group. From what I know, Sicilians and northern Italians due not have much in common genetically or in their physical appearance.

[Furor]

Sicily is not so homogeneous there are even some borrebies(not behaving differently:rolleyes:) due to normans i think, but anyway i chose the most obvious nations not denmark :D, I chose from a northern italian point of view so from the pov of a person who sees them everyday :biggrin:

[Sikeliot]

Would you say most Sicilians typically are either a Gracile/Atlanto Med-Dinarid mixture or an East Med? That's my experience, it's either one or the other. The first type looks like a generalized Southern European that could fit anywhere, and the East Med types (which may or may not have Armenoid influences) are the ones with the more eastern vibes.

Essentially either they look more stereotypically Italian, or more stereotypically Greek. That's what I say if someone asks.

[Prince Carlo]

Eastern Sicilians would be closer to Greeks look wise.

[Sikeliot]

Eastern Sicilians would be closer to Greek look wise.

Definitely. I have found each province has a different look, basically. This is what I have noticed (and correct me if you disagree);

The east coast - Catania, Messina, Syracuse, Ragusa - have very Greek looking people (essentially like Peloponnese and islanders - an "Ancient Greek" appearance).

Enna and Caltanisetta have a lot of pure East Med types that look very Neolithic/Anatolian and have probably been isolated from incoming influences. Enna also has the highest prevalence of y-dna J2 on the island.

Agrigento, Trapani, and Palermo have more "extremes" - pretty much you find any look, from people who look pure North African or Levantine to very Nordic types, with most approximating a southern Italian/Greek appearance although slightly westernized.

[kabeiros]

Totaly sure its the land of the figs and the olives... Its not something anyone would doubt but a known fact.
Can you please fix my post to the videos will be shown? Please :)

Sicily was called ''Trinacria'' by the ancient Greeks (cheque Odyssey) which means three edges (the shape of the island is like that). The Sicels and Sicani gave their name to the island.

[Prince Carlo]

^^ Yeah. But now internal migrations and settlements of Italians from other provinces are slowly cancelling the differences.

[Sikeliot]

joseph, people from continental Italy are moving there? I am surprised, I can't imagine any economic incentive for doing so. I did assume people moving across Sicily would have shuffled genes a bit and appearances though.

[Furor]

From my experience sicilians are mostly a mix of dinaricized ,or not, gracile/east meds, alpinids, dinarids, then there are border-line types like armenoids who's common to see even some assyrids :eek: with some arabid and borrebies in the mixture , never seen a non-mixed atlanto-med maybe cause all the sicilians here came from low social strata :D but my impression is confirmed from tv and local emittents. About greek ancestry, I think it is more present in calabria, there are loads of east and gracile meds there (even some arabid tho). This is my personal experience from the sicilians I see in my region.

[Hong Key]

ancient Sicani (Iberian), Phoenicians, Italic tribes (including Romans of course), Illyrians, the Greeks, German tribes (Vandals, Goths) Byzantines, Arabs, Berbers, Normans, Spaniards, there’s to many to list.

[Sikelos]

^^ Yeah. But now internal migrations and settlements of Italians from other provinces are slowly cancelling the differences.

I don't think migrations from peninsula are more frequent than in the past. Yes, in the biggest towns there are people from Italy (mostly from south), but I definitely don't think are so common, even in order to cancel the differences.

[ioan assen]

basically most southern europeans...

[Sikeliot]

Here are some more pictures from different regions.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/541878_107094746089888_1147435449_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/275754_1593323094_51328440_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/157687_1395557940_1787998191_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/276017_1541725422_1253871700_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/536731_3408566418314_214245363_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/263952_10150219018002613_5556688_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/264614_2067577382174_5612982_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/371402_1353465331_2133883298_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/208912_3026799603882_1836385752_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/76606_101231973281717_4400916_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/48776_100001010919318_1220491844_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/13032_1201481970558_2863642_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/422964_344588928912176_285792271_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/385694_381393108569100_1514947464_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/427265_268583313256004_139274483_n.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Copied and pasted from other threads

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[Sikeliot]

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[Midori]

Triton, what do you estimate the percentage of light eyed Sicilians to be?

[Sikeliot]

Probably around 1/4 overall with the percentage higher (roughly half) in places like Palermo or Trapani and almost zero in Messina or Catania.

[1810-2010]

hard to generalize as the anthro landscape is very composite so could pass for Balkanics, Turks, Armenians, Askhenazy jews ... i've seen several faces which reminds me of Serbs I know so I voted Serbs n first instance and added Greeks, Armenians and turks

[Sikeliot]

I've actually been mistaken as a Serb before.. I always attributed it to a combination of my Sicilian and Polish sides of the family. If you consider Greek-like and Northern Slavic influence as both being important to the ethnogenesis of the Serbs, then it'd make sense I could approximate a Serbian appearance.

[1810-2010]

I've actually been mistaken as a Serb before.. I always attributed it to a combination of my Sicilian and Polish sides of the family. If you consider Greek-like and Northern Slavic influence as both being important to the ethnogenesis of the Serbs, then it'd make sense I could approximate a Serbian appearance.

Moreover in your profile you sau you are "east Med" which overlaps I think many sub-hpenotypes within Balkans, East-Europe and Nearest East; and it includes I think the Pontic type present in Balkans and up to the baltic with possible extensions on Caucasuss, I think

[Sikeliot]

That's true as well. :)

[immortaltendency]

Assyrians of course.

[Taxonomy]

According to some pictures,
Sicilians have East-Mediterranid phenotypes.
I would say Maltese, Turks, Armenians, Lebanese and Syrians, Assyrians, Iranians and Kurds. And I got some Southern Slavic vibe from them. Expecially Serbians (Yugoslavians), Bulgarians, Macedonians and Albanians. (They are not Slavic.) I voted for this only based on related or similar phenotypes, not historical facts or cultures.

[Mordid]

I've actually been mistaken as a Serb before.. I always attributed it to a combination of my Sicilian and Polish sides of the family. If you consider Greek-like and Northern Slavic influence as both being important to the ethnogenesis of the Serbs, then it'd make sense I could approximate a Serbian appearance.
You don't look Serbian at all. :picard1:

[Midori]

You don't look Serbian at all. :picard1:

He can pass* but he doesn't really look Balkan. More typically Italian.

*thanks to his Slavic admixture

[Sikeliot]

I was just going by what I've been told. People on these forums always told me I looked Balkan Slavic, even more than they thought I looked Italian or Greek, not to mention Portuguese which no one thinks I look.

[Prince Carlo]

Triton would be quite an atypical Serb.

[Sikeliot]

It's not so much that I think I look Balkan, but I don't know where I'd actually fit. I would have originally just said southern Italian and Greek, but some people said I have too much northern influence to fit there..

[Arbërori]

I would say the Spaniards, Portuguese, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese,
Turks, Armenians, Lebanese & Syrians, Algerians/Tunisians/Berbers,
Puerto Ricans, Mexicans & Cubans (Something is telling me that I
should've included Georgians, but I haven't seen much of them anyways).:D

[Cannabis Sativa]

Lighter types mostly with Greeks while darker ones overlap with the ones from Levant.

[Sikeliot]

Lighter types mostly with Greeks while darker ones overlap with the ones from Levant.

I have been mistaken for all of those ethnicities, plus Israeli. But then I'm only half Sicilian so the other sides could have influenced it too? But I'd say the answers people give on here are pretty consistent with my personal experience.

[Sikeliot]

More pics, this time from Catania

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195662_100000468528673_6331431_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/378754_4264201256961_389446531_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/368882_1631598870_1593353217_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376352_4322072255524_675499874_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/557058_4273975051672_2232275_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533124_3577546958365_1141029178_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/372426_1065861926_1341613600_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/371555_1344041186_1030297774_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/549538_4493147777498_1937551935_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/623822_1518486318_312712087_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/48807_100000323134386_1824161240_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/387031_437532232965971_1362217948_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580070_3528685249330_1050229002_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/545391_3339701300149_2023818059_n.jpg

[Clouds in the Sky]

I am leaning more toward Greek and Maltese...

[dado]

would say on fist place with algerians,tunisians morocans (berbers)

after that they overlap pretty much with all mediteranian people except maybe egyptians,croatians,bosnians

[Damião de Góis]

I think they look like other italians the most.

[Sikeliot]

I think they look like other italians the most.

Not so much northerners. But Calabrese, Campanians, Apulians, etc. most definitely.

[Damião de Góis]

Not so much northerners. But Calabrese, Campanians, Apulians, etc. most definitely.

Which nationalities do they resemble more than north italians then?

[Sikeliot]

Which nationalities do they resemble more than north italians then?

Southerners as a whole can be more mistaken for Greeks than northern Italians IMO whereas northern Italians could be mistaken more for French, Swiss, Austrian than they could for southerners.

I don't think far northern and far southern Italians look much alike.

[Damião de Góis]

Southerners as a whole can be more mistaken for Greeks than northern Italians IMO whereas northern Italians could be mistaken more for French, Swiss, Austrian than they could for southerners.

I don't think far northern and far southern Italians look much alike.

I don't think so. Also from what i've seen on genetic plots south italians are as close to north italians as they are with greeks, so they don't resemble more one group than another.

I don't think sicilians look too different from south italians, and i don't think south italians look too diferent from northern ones. Sometimes reading these forums one gets the feeling that they are totally different...

[Sikeliot]

I don't think so. Also from what i've seen on genetic plots south italians are as close to north italians as they are with greeks, so they don't resemble more one group than another.

I don't think sicilians look too different from south italians, and i don't think south italians look too diferent from northern ones. Sometimes reading these forums one gets the feeling that they are totally different...

I don't think all Italians look the same. at all. I actually would say while you find some types that occur throughout, the average is different.

Show me the plots where southerners are as close to northerners as Greeks, because I've never seen one.

[Linet]

South Italians are as pure Greeks as the most secluded and hidden mainland Greeks :grouphug:. Other add-mixtures are minor.

[Sikeliot]

Eastern and southern Sicilians (Messina, Catania, Syracuse, Ragusa, coastal southern Caltanissetta, and Agrigento) as well as Calabria are pretty much pure Greek. Western Sicilians are a mixture of Greek, Phoenician, Norman and Lombard (post-Moorish settlers who replaced depopulated towns) mostly. All Sicilians have minor North African, likely from the Sicanians, an Ibero-Berber people who got there first.

Apulians have some Illyrian ancestry, while Campanians start to merge into Central Italy, like Lazio.

That's pretty much how Southern Italy works, I'd say.

[Damião de Góis]

Show me the plots where southerners are as close to northerners as Greeks, because I've never seen one.

Here:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4204/novembreplotao2.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Half of the Greeks are mixed in with the southern Italians, whereas the others are pulled up north into the Balkans and may very well be northern Greeks or Epirotes.

[Mmmavis]

Hmmn. I'm not real familiar with Sicilians, but all these people in the photographs look to me like mixtures of European and Middle Eastern ancestry. To me they look darker than typical Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

Some other pics. From Palermo this time.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/550491_313295932082843_1028963106_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/45149_1384700293996_4741180_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/181138_395613587154790_1021089788_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/370969_100000683115540_1882303781_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/49855_1257999222_4466_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538421_457368154279359_408401940_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/283978_4472582183093_666525502_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41655_1514831255_2694_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/552888_339179086151031_1837936940_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/165175_1791850120838_4130872_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/18080_1319894159325_7793654_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41483_1383172146_5809_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/161170_1354471134_1248523407_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/370490_1646975618_1255744331_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/548968_503091266384495_582044562_n.jpg

[Virtuous]

Not so much northerners. But Calabrese, Campanians, Apulians, etc. most definitely.

If Detfri sees that..... :laugh:

[Anusiya]

Half of the Greeks are mixed in with the southern Italians, whereas the others are pulled up north into the Balkans and may very well be northern Greeks or Epirotes.

That's not a very precise depiction. You forget Frankish and Venetian/Catalan occupation of Peloponese and the Aegean islands respectively. Italians are limited to Dodecanese, Ionian islands and Crete.

[Sikeliot]

If Detfri sees that..... :laugh:

I don't care if she sees it. I'm right. ;)

[Sikeliot]

That's not a very precise depiction. You forget Frankish and Venetian/Catalan occupation of Peloponese and the Aegean islands respectively. Italians are limited to Dodecanese, Ionian islands and Crete.

I knew of this but I didn't know if those groups had any genetic impact or if they actually settled in large numbers.

[Food]

You wouldn't guess these Lombards as Sicilians, would you...
http://lightstorage.ecodibergamo.it/media/2012/07/376360_819325_9_10256412_14144392_medium.jpg
http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/member_photos/group1/subgrp374/robertocammarelle_301470.jpg
http://eurosoccerweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/o_ac_milan_francesco_acerbi-4840679-e1343718871326.jpg
http://s5.as.com/recorte/20110612dasdasftb_7/XLCO/Ies/Franco_Baresi.jpg
http://www.lenovae.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC012222.jpg

[Anusiya]

Half of Italy from the middle and upwards, is not even Roman.

[Sikeliot]

Food, no I wouldn't. There are Sicilians and Lombards who can pass as one another but by and large, the typical look is different.

[Prince Carlo]

Southerners as a whole can be more mistaken for Greeks than northern Italians IMO whereas northern Italians could be mistaken more for French, Swiss, Austrian than they could for southerners.

I don't think far northern and far southern Italians look much alike.

French? Yes.
Swiss? Not the German ones.
Austrians? Definitively no.

[Damião de Góis]

You wouldn't guess these Lombards as Sicilians, would you...


I'm sure it wouldn't be dificult to post blonde sicilians...

[Sikeliot]

I'm sure it wouldn't be dificult to post blonde sicilians...

It wouldn't, I've posted some before. But on average, there is a difference in appearance, as genetics would suggest.

[northspaniard]

Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans...? :eek:
I can understand the whole mediterranean basin, even arab countries, but Latin America is another world!
Who were the trolls who voted for those options?
IMO: Greeks, Sardinians, Maltese (obvious). Even southern Spaniards and some Levantine.

[Sikeliot]

Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans...? :eek:
I can understand the whole mediterranean basin, even arab countries, but Latin America is another world!.

I put those just to see if people would pick them, because it would also help to say something about how people view those Latin Americans, i.e. do people see Puerto Ricans as mixed, or as Mediterranean?

Btw I agree with what you said. With the case of southern Spaniards and Levantines, it's the less "Western looking" southern Spaniards that fit with Sicilians well (i.e. the Penelope and Monica Cruz types) :)

[Sikeliot]

Here are more Sicilians btw.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/539157_4525323374964_2121283536_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/282862_222869474499311_1272470648_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/293137_442349822470927_611598566_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/264081_4557131289475_433574617_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535562_3428415642338_1726291916_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/400063_2534465196396_454149355_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/547229_3125059571021_773556588_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558403_3493760431962_1673813220_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576428_444681642239544_1900387425_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/316018_290326240993380_1547245048_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/179344_184881241543182_6683411_n.jpg
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc7/370563_100003157662621_938528051_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579201_10150775413167945_1804997143_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/19739_100396226661500_1643990_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/396884_251854548212916_1521266274_n.jpg

[MarceloBielsa]

greeks and other latin peoples

[Food]

http://www.baroquesicily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sicilian-Baker.jpg
http://www.krisvdv.net/pixelpost/images/20070916111234_sicilian_man_sigar.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/AlessandroPiccoloR_468x427.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01537/Gianni-Nicchi_1537958c.jpg
http://chestofbooks.com/travel/italy/sicily/John-Stoddard-Lectures/images/A-Sicilian-Of-Arabic-Origin.jpg
http://framingpainting.com/UploadPic/Unknown%20Artist/big/portrait%20of%20a%20small%20sicilian%20girl%20of%2 0common%20class.jpg

[MarceloBielsa]

typical northen african faces

http://i45.tinypic.com/2is8jed.jpg
(tunisia)

http://i48.tinypic.com/hx6fki.jpg
(maroc)

http://i49.tinypic.com/6qbps0.jpg
(maroc)

typical sicilian face

http://i50.tinypic.com/rb9nbd.jpg

there are many differences

[MarceloBielsa]

http://i45.tinypic.com/15wgck1.jpg

agatocle, king of sicily in 300 a.C

[Aviane]

I would predict Sicilians to look closest to Iberians, Sardinians, Maltese, Greeks, Turks, Levantines and some North Africans too.

[bimo]

http://www.baroquesicily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sicilian-Baker.jpg
http://www.krisvdv.net/pixelpost/images/20070916111234_sicilian_man_sigar.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/AlessandroPiccoloR_468x427.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01537/Gianni-Nicchi_1537958c.jpg
http://chestofbooks.com/travel/italy/sicily/John-Stoddard-Lectures/images/A-Sicilian-Of-Arabic-Origin.jpg
http://framingpainting.com/UploadPic/Unknown%20Artist/big/portrait%20of%20a%20small%20sicilian%20girl%20of%2 0common%20class.jpg

these don't look sicilians at all , obvious trolling

[Psa31]

I think sicilians look closest to greeks. There is a lot of greek blood in sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Some pics


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/560469_271054546344812_1926271911_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/255445_4059713665678_1952805338_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/543658_246614102116090_1366141500_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/301113_178221892313799_405614553_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/2890_4559984327173_1875942804_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/229397_4065366066594_1529697464_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/386856_4556840359915_363882767_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/66256_526630344017449_226921380_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/155181_4210033382289_726978205_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/547359_4428313436875_1688190510_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528122_4054842342665_2104529530_n.jpg
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/41390_1742357924_524_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/418649_417355451654465_2100800714_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/554072_4381027896779_171113572_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/560472_3268817251587_1181012937_n.jpg

[mysticism]

Spanish, Portoguese, Sardinians, Greeks, Maltese, Turks, Armenians etc. I don't know why some people in this thread will vote for Bulgarians, Serbs and Bosnians, we are very far from Sicilians.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. They definitely resemble Serbs facially, at least much more than they resemble Armenians or Spaniards.

[Sikeliot]

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. They definitely resemble Serbs facially, at least much more than they resemble Armenians or Spaniards.



I agree. Except for maybe Croatians and Slovenes, I think we resemble every Balkan group more than we resemble Spaniards and Armenians.

[bimo]

they have some overlap with bakanites but still balkanites look far from sicilians , sicilians resemble other southern italians and greeks mostly , also iberian look quite different from sicilians

[Sikeliot]

they have some overlap with bakanites but still balkanites look far from sicilians , sicilians resemble other southern italians and greeks mostly , also iberian look quite different from sicilians


I wasn't saying Sicilians and Balkanians are identical but rather that I just see more overlap with an Albanian, Bulgarian, or Serb than with the Spanish. I don't think Sicilians look Spanish or vice versa, Spanish look more Western European.

Granted some Sicilians look very much Central-North European influenced (Norman influence?) but I don't think these people look Spanish.. more German/Scandinavian like.

[mysticism]

I agree. Except for maybe Croatians and Slovenes, I think we resemble every Balkan group more than we resemble Spaniards and Armenians.

Yep, I'd even go so far to say more than Greeks too.

Sicilians appear to have more of a Dinaric element that is lacking in Greeks and wholly present in Serbs.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/386856_4556840359915_363882767_n.jpg

This pair for example, I'd never mistake for Greek.

[Sikeliot]

Some people from Catania

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/161353_100001932467656_2237301_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/230992_291985047567913_35334251_n.jpg
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/260959_100000349362865_2145015509_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/72051_4781498580532_241433039_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/547993_4467922505184_1872596891_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/423547_520666291283524_225369307_n.jpg
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash4/275923_100000322800901_61601664_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12468_1196243920504_5962703_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/69553_3943176068835_588593803_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/542622_3279825888660_319526411_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/35440_4758933697139_1532577013_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/556243_319143321518259_352736347_n.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Looking at the results i find amazing that most people consider sicilians closer to portuguese than to north italians. Geographically it's a long way:

http://oi45.tinypic.com/263eipg.jpg

[Mans not hot]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/301113_178221892313799_405614553_n.jpg

Look like light Albo.

[Sikeliot]

Looking at the results i find amazing that most people consider sicilians closer to portuguese than to north italians. Geographically it's a long way:

It's more the genetic aspect that would make it shocking. Sicilians are halfway between Assyrians and Portuguese genetically, and much closer to North Italians than to either of those extremes.

[AntonioX]

Most of the peaple on the pictures resemble serbs and bulgarians guite well. :)

[MarceloBielsa]

Sicilians appear to have more of a Dinaric element that is lacking in Greeks and wholly present in Serbs.
Ancient romans and other italic peoples (sicels and sicanian for Sicily) have a dinaric and alpine characteristics.
Ancient siceliot are mixed between greek and sicels (italic), this people is basic in actually sicilian people (especially central and east Sicily).
Central italians have less (or nothing) greek influences and more italic influences, but southern italians are more similar to sicilians because he has also greek blood, especially calabrians that, for me, is more greeks than sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

New pics.

Hopefully Agatocle Siracusano and Toretto1989 approve of my selection this time. I tried to pick fewer people who fit the stereotype. :lol:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/149502_1517725136847_1607358_n.jpghttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc7/370969_1394054707_1517119881_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/225778_1738347495425_1840956_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3447_424045000978389_1573040472_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576526_4222571755915_1585337611_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/252540_524832084199801_1441663600_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/542148_4738472224102_968282972_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545373_537751632907925_1868715479_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/406524_355234411231546_42986375_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/561495_422109884502799_249170624_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545850_4193959240974_1766642011_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539045_3137263690926_2117837823_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555525_3793215752858_1567097552_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/305088_4163744465825_156967887_n.jpg

[Peyrol]

Lol @ the people who voted "cubans".

[Kazuma]

I think that it is a good selection of common people :thumb001:

They probably overlap with greek, but I think that they could pass unnoticed in the balkans nations

[MarceloBielsa]

Lol @ the people who voted "cubans".

:lol00002:e ci credo, alcuni "italiani" del jersey shore sono per metà cubani, portoricani ecc :D
almeno mi auguro sia un cubano bianco alla andy garcia o alla cameron diaz, altrimenti prevedo un bel lavoro per gli oculisti :D :picard1:

[Sikeliot]

Most Cubans back on the island today are close to looking pure African. A lot of white Cubans have left for the US in the past 50 years.

[Toretto]

http://www.gossipmag.it/wp-content/uploads/fabrizio-corona-dito-medio.jpg

http://www.dogbikers.com/public/fabrizio_corona.jpg

[Toretto]

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2696129302/18f5d73dd9710ef1c8f25a2cd85afc5f.jpeg

http://image.webmasterpoint.org/news/original/ginnastica-artistica-femminile-finale-oggi.jpg

[Sikeliot]

http://www.gossipmag.it/wp-content/uploads/fabrizio-corona-dito-medio.jpg

http://www.dogbikers.com/public/fabrizio_corona.jpg

He has the same droopy eyes I always am mentioning.

[Sikeliot]

Group photos


http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/291774_161410100618921_639503639_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/304961_3652629997179_620389744_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/407037_10150539008078710_1828864163_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/225461_1081639154690_7595441_n.jpg
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/europe/77281d1300743733-who-do-sicilians-look-like-you-bowling-my-sicilian-family.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_76-jznbVTRc/TDpv7hyx63I/AAAAAAAABlc/KbH-qI6aKNQ/s1600/DSCN3478.JPG
http://i49.tinypic.com/1y1iex.jpg
http://www.messinanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/highres_3677389.jpg
http://www.unionesiciliani.ch/immagini_assets/immagini/Uzwil.jpg
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2349/Sicily26.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8135/sicilybiancavillacatania045ce.jpg
http://img117.exs.cx/img117/9894/Sicily-GiarreCatania.jpg
http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4037/Sicily-Catania18.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Some people from Palermo.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/199799_406562726070337_1656009287_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535754_262243087208241_1558452933_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320477_4900199552435_1955061569_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/383184_4448032679873_1877273067_n.jpghttp://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528092_337362809675656_1129467953_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/563936_3367339194048_2050147491_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/396922_175172782614670_1533759028_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/578795_335207346547234_1214832659_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536150_287255951379167_1895015772_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381790_2312914422632_419899064_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/394700_316952678398397_1635837150_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/395642_3006129761273_254101437_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/3076_267259996719982_447386062_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/318637_191188160957047_1753659824_n.jpghttp://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/532884_428036033874917_1818405820_n.jpg

[Anusiya]

New pics.

Hopefully Agatocle Siracusano and Toretto1989 approve of my selection this time. I tried to pick fewer people who fit the stereotype. :lol:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/149502_1517725136847_1607358_n.jpg

These two are not Sicillians. They are Romans. ;)

[Sisak]

my answer is Greeks and Turks

[Sikeliot]

A combination of Palermo and Catania


http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558221_198669263597032_1448434860_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/384786_429929147067892_102040645_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/14260_104933346186401_908563_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/319758_140971572701611_366921700_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523858_4533293141052_853172029_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/601124_449810605044242_572057020_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/559562_4256997554469_82355923_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/420438_469213863101990_562650434_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/383211_4677620261907_693123895_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/314111_501226123229069_1577303634_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/215604_106259539459554_7371829_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/297662_276425802391519_1251257220_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21743_4855876241134_462606214_n.jpghttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/182553_552058281478013_1093343697_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/253953_3432671824928_1299139784_n.jpg

[MarceloBielsa]

Can be change the title in "Sicilian people"? (like other people topics)
Thanks

[Sikeliot]

Can be change the title in "Sicilian people"? (like other people topics)
Thanks

Yes. I'll do it now.

[MarceloBielsa]

Well, now i post new photos.

[MarceloBielsa]

Young boys from Agrigento

http://s9.postimage.org/4t9qs433j/6825866abf6ddc014340326b35addd51_L.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Faces from Palermo (not my favourite team lol) academy (all from Palermo and Trapani)

http://s8.postimage.org/4txq2glo5/Immagine.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Toretto]

Good Agatocle.. real sicilian faces

[MarceloBielsa]

Another set of pictures

http://i48.tinypic.com/2dumag9.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Faces from Palermo (not my favourite team lol) academy (all from Palermo and Trapani)

http://s8.postimage.org/4txq2glo5/Immagine.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://i48.tinypic.com/2dumag9.jpg

Fairly similar to Greeks and other Balkan folks, and other southern Italians.

[Trun]

Fairly similar to Greeks and other Balkan folks, and other southern Italians.

As a group they'd stick out here, because of the high tendency of long and narrow faces and sharp features.

[Ira di Dio]

Agatocle, they are very European looking as a whole. Some will be butthurt. ;)

[Sikeliot]

As a group they'd stick out here, because of the high tendency of long and narrow faces and sharp features.

How would they be perceived in Bulgaria, like what would people guess them as if you saw them in your town?

[MarceloBielsa]

Agatocle, they are very European looking as a whole. Some will be butthurt. ;)

:D

[Sikeliot]

I'm interested in the fact that the blonde types in those picture sets look more Slavic than Germanic, even though actual Slavic ancestry would be close to zero.

[Sikeliot]

Here are some old family pictures.. the family traces to Messina.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/michaelm0rphin3/DSCF2278.jpghttp://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/michaelm0rphin3/DSCF2210.jpghttp://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/michaelm0rphin3/DSCF2208.jpg

[Trun]

How would they be perceived in Bulgaria, like what would people guess them as if you saw them in your town?

I don't know. Majority as Bulgarians, some as Turks or Armenians.

[Sikeliot]

Do you think my cousin (last pic in my last post) passes as Bulgarian?

[Trun]

Do you think my cousin (last pic in my last post) passes as Bulgarian?

Yes.

[Sikeliot]

As I've said before I think we have more overlap with the Balkans than is often taken into consideration. I see much more overlap between Sicilians and Serbs, Bulgarians, and Albanians than I see between Sicilians and French, Spanish, and Portuguese. I've said this before and I have maintained this opinion.

[MarceloBielsa]

Another set of pictures.
Sicilian footballer to Trapani, from Palermo, Trapani, Ragusa and Syracuse.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ic7j2g.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Another set of pictures.
Sicilian footballer to Trapani, from Palermo, Trapani, Ragusa and Syracuse.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ic7j2g.jpg

Where is the guy second from the left on the bottom row from? he looks identical to someone I know from Greece.

[MarceloBielsa]

Giuseppe Madonia from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

A common characteristic amongst many in these pics are down-turned, droopy eyes. I think all of us (you, Toretto1989, and me) have them as well.

[MarceloBielsa]

Hypotetic sicilian national football team.
PS: Massimo Bruno was born in Belgium to sicilian parents from Catania.

http://i49.tinypic.com/205tfdx.jpg

[MarceloBielsa]

Another set, tomorrow i post another pictures...with girls in sport

http://s15.postimage.org/5m6yjauh7/Immagine.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Armand_Duval]

Voted!.

[MarceloBielsa]

Pictures from Catania, one guy is from Palermo

http://i47.tinypic.com/j65x7s.jpg

[Anusiya]

A common characteristic amongst many in these pics are down-turned, droopy eyes. I think all of us (you, Toretto1989, and me) have them as well.

Yep, droopy is the word thanks. Many Albanian Tosks and other Dalmatians have droopy eyes too. Do we know what is that attributed to? High altitude?

[Toretto]

chi è di Palermo ? il primo seconda fila a sinistra?

[MarceloBielsa]

http://i45.tinypic.com/el4pr9.jpg

[Kazuma]

I don't know...I know northern italians with droopy eyes
British could have droopy eyes too

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/PaulMcCartney60s.jpg/220px-PaulMcCartney60s.jpg

It's probably a mediterranean features, not necessary only sicilian

[Toretto]

I don't know...I know northern italians with droopy eyes
British could have droopy eyes too

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/PaulMcCartney60s.jpg/220px-PaulMcCartney60s.jpg

It's probably a mediterranean features, not necessary only sicilian

yes i think so too... mediterranean features

[MarceloBielsa]

http://i46.tinypic.com/34zysud.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Pictures from Catania, one guy is from Palermo

http://i47.tinypic.com/j65x7s.jpg

Which is the one from Palermo?

[MarceloBielsa]

Another set from Palermo, teenagers (14-15 years old) in Palermo Calcio academy

http://i47.tinypic.com/24zmbex.jpg

[MarceloBielsa]

Pictures from Hyblaean Mountains, south east Sicily.
The commons are: Militello in Val di Catania, Scordia, Vizzini, Francofonte, Palazzolo Acreide, Noto and Buccheri.

http://i47.tinypic.com/144632q.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/xfx7p3.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2f0emvn.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/vrq8uu.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/id81ty.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/21cz7gg.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/15gw8cj.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/o7le95.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/30iubo8.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/214dpv.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/68shuf.jpg

[Toretto]

togli vladimir luxuria che non si può vedere ahahhaa