Classify Brazilian MMA Legend Vitor Belfort

[PerpetualBurn]

http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/vitor-belfort_0.jpg
http://fightsport.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/belfort.jpg
http://dynastyclothingstore.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/anderson-silva-and-vitor-belfort.jpg
http://images.fightmagazine.com/fighterprofile/vitor_belfort.jpg
http://www.5thround.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/UFC-Middleweight-Vitor-Belfort.jpg
http://www.mmafightscoop.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/vitor.jpg

The girl in the picture he is holding is his sister, she was kidnapped by some scumbags who held her for ransom, but ended up killing her.

[PerpetualBurn]

Anybody?

[Breedingvariety]

He is good martial arts teacher.

[Sikeliot]

Med-minor Amerindian

[Rouxinol]

He has an Atlanto-Cro-Magnid appearance, worked out by exercise, plus a hint of something native or afro-native... He looks very Brazilian, especially in the second, fourth and fifth pictures.

[PerpetualBurn]

He has an Atlanto-Cro-Magnid appearance, worked out by exercise, plus a hint of something native or afro-native... He looks very Brazilian.

I actually think he looks a lot less mixed than a lot of Brazilians, i don't really see any Negroid or Amerindian. Keep in mind that this guy has been fighting for almost half of his life, he's not even 35 yet. I don't see any Amerindian or Negroid in his phenotype, but it's plausible that he could have some distant ancestry.

[Rouxinol]

I actually think he looks a lot less mixed than a lot of Brazilians, i don't really see any Negroid or Amerindian. Keep in mind that this guy has been fighting for almost half of his life, he's not even 35 yet. I don't see any Amerindian or Negroid in his phenotype, but it's plausible that he could have some distant ancestry.

I think he has, but washed out and so not very noticeable. His phenotype frequency in Brazil is high and is very specific to Brazilian mutts.

[Riki]

I actually think he looks a lot less mixed than a lot of Brazilians, i don't really see any Negroid or Amerindian. Keep in mind that this guy has been fighting for almost half of his life, he's not even 35 yet. I don't see any Amerindian or Negroid in his phenotype, but it's plausible that he could have some distant ancestry.

I think its clear.Specially in this Picture.
http://fightsport.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/belfort.jpg

[Sikeliot]

He may not look overtly Amerindian or African but his look is distinctly Brazilian and is not from Portugal.

[PerpetualBurn]

I think he has, but washed out and so not very noticeable. His phenotype frequency in Brazil is high and is very specific to Brazilian mutts.

Brazilian Mongrels are some of the worst in the world, VERY VERY mixed people. I think only the Cape coloureds are mixed more than they are, and they're a MUCH smaller population. I've seen lots of Brazilian mutts, as an MMA fan I can tell you that Vitor looks a lot less mixed than most of them. In fact, I would say in Brazil he's probably considered VERY white LOL. I don't think he has an Negroid/Amerindian admixture myself, if he has any it's unnoticeable and not present in his phenotype. if he is part negroid or Amerindian, I would say it's as little as 1/16th.

Here are some pictures of Brazilian mixed martial artists, they all have what I would consider to be a very common phenotype among the lower class in Brazil.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/DSCF0126_-_Version_2.jpg/316px-DSCF0126_-_Version_2.jpg
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/image_crop/200/300/_images/fighter/20111114070456_renanbarao.JPG
http://www.mmaontap.com/media/werdum450.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Fabricio+Werdum+b5PdEAbf_ACm.jpg
http://festiva.themonitor.com/files/2011/08/2011_08_12_FE_FVAMOS_co_stfc-antonio-bigfoot-silva.jpg
http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/rousimar-palhares-5.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/086/093/wanderlei-silva-head_crop_650x440.jpg?1291971326( Wanderlei Silva Vitors next opponent)
http://www.fiveknuckles.com/assets/images/articles/antonio-nogueira.jpg
http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&rs=60&q=75&x=93&y=1&w=240&h=320&ro=0&s=charles-olivera.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Jos%C3%A9_Aldo_(30_de_dezembro_de_2010)_(cropped). jpg/220px-Jos%C3%A9_Aldo_(30_de_dezembro_de_2010)_(cropped). jpg

[PerpetualBurn]

That's typically how most mixed brazilians look, at least the fighters(who mostly come from poor low class background(the slums in Rio). I would say Vitor certainly clusters with the white-Brazilian population more than anything else.

Most Brazilian fighters look like that, there are very few white Brazilian mma fighters lol.

[Sikeliot]

He looks whiter than them, but he still looks distinctly Latin American in the sense that if he were in a group of indigenous Portuguese, you'd see a clear difference.

[Vixen]

In fact, I would say in Brazil he's probably considered VERY white


I would say Vitor certainly clusters with the white-Brazilian population more than anything else.


Hmm, well... As a white Brazilian, living in Brazil, I can tell you that´s quite an exaggeration.

[PerpetualBurn]

He looks whiter than them, but he still looks distinctly Latin American in the sense that if he were in a group of indigenous Portuguese, you'd see a clear difference.

Portugal is 15% SSA in some places! I think there are people there even, who aren't recent immigrants who would be more out of place than he is. I've seen Portuguese that are considered native that have noticeable negroid features. He looks like a dark med type with a tan and damage from being a fighter for so many years, loot at the picture of the woman he's holding. that's his sister, your telling me she couldn't fit in Portugal?

[PerpetualBurn]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQimu9EYsz32squuGlB_8v56FW33AV06 pXxnNrGL34Ltxbx-7JxQJJltH8R
http://fcfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/archives/PICTURES/OTHERPIX/vitor-sister-apelo.jpg

there are certainly Southern Europeans that look like she does.

[Rouxinol]

Portugal is 15% SSA in some places! I think there are people there even, who aren't recent immigrants who would be more out of place than he is. I've seen Portuguese that are considered native that have noticeable negroid features. He looks like a dark med type with a tan and damage from being a fighter for so many years, lot at the picture of the woman he's hold. that's his sister, your telling me she couldn't fit in Portugal?

With this you just ruined it all, exposing your utter ignorance. In Portugal he would pass as a typical Brazilian immigrant given his non-Portuguese features. He is way more Europid-looking than most Brazilian European/non-European mutts, but still presenting features of some slight afro-native ancestry. As to his sister I am not able to evaluate from one picture only, which happens to be part of yet another picture. You know no better than the people who've answered to you up until now. If you can't accept it, don't ask.

Edit: his sister looks less foreign influenced than he does.

[Damião de Góis]

Portugal is 15% SSA in some places! I think there are people there even, who aren't recent immigrants who would be more out of place than he is.

out of place where?


I've seen Portuguese that are considered native that have noticeable negroid features.

Like who?


He looks like a dark med type with a tan and damage from being a fighter for so many years, lot at the picture of the woman he's hold. that's his sister, your telling me she couldn't fit in Portugal?

Are you trying to pass this guy as a native from Portugal? :rolleyes:

[PerpetualBurn]

With this you just ruined it all, exposing your utter ignorance. In Portugal he would pass as a typical Brazilian immigrant given his non-Portuguese features. He his way more Europid-looking than most Brazilian European/non-European mutts, but still presenting features of some slight afro-native ancestry. As to his sister I am not able to evaluate from one picture only, which happens to be part of yet another picture. You know no better than the people who've answered to you up until now. If you can't accept it, don't ask.

Wow, wow... Chill out brother.... This is nothing more than a friendly debate, I never denied that he has possible Negroid or Amerindian Ancestry..... Look at the 1st page of this thread.

[Vixen]

Portugal is 15% SSA in some places! I think there are people there even, who aren't recent immigrants who would be more out of place than he is. I've seen Portuguese that are considered native that have noticeable negroid features.

I call bullshit.

[PerpetualBurn]

out of place where?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe#mtDNA


Like who?

would you like some examples?

Are you trying to pass this guy as a native from Portugal? :rolleyes:

No. what I am saying is there are MED types like him in Southern europe, not a lot but some. there are places where he could fit for sure.

[Sikeliot]

He does not look purely Med or Southern European.

[PerpetualBurn]

I call bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe#mtDNA

[Damião de Góis]

No. what I am saying is there are MED types like him in Southern europe, not a lot but some. there are places where he could fit for sure.

Ok, so where in Southern Europe did you see types like him when you visited?

[PerpetualBurn]

http://i2.listal.com/image/241552/600full-alessandro-gassman.jpg
http://images.movieplayer.it/2003/10/25/alessandro-gassman-a-venezia-2006-per-presentare-non-prendere-impegni-stasera-30200.jpg French/Italian mix here EUROPEAN, not Brazilian btw.

http://goesinternational.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/VitorBelfort0009-e1272778974536.jpg
http://www.mmafightscoop.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/vitor.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Any Southern European who looks like that is very, very rare.

[Riki]

That's typically how most mixed brazilians look, at least the fighters(who mostly come from poor low class background(the slums in Rio). I would say Vitor certainly clusters with the white-Brazilian population more than anything else.

Most Brazilian fighters look like that, there are very few white Brazilian mma fighters lol.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQU7h5Hxkq796LZ372chCccWhzVlQsuj YdjOWQjAveAxe_kYt9aQA

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTS027HsGMCiGV-ibN00ZnA625BRlPClkW-G1jt5CsM9EKK1Az8xw

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQL2vjhqbDeboK1ySIrBI-IlrwEsibmievJAH9rfxCiJiORZrLXDQ

Yes.I can see the resemblance.:coffee:

[Damião de Góis]

French/Italian that has neither a french or italian surname? That's a very bad example... he has jewish ancestry. In any case if you think people look like this in southern europe then you need to travel:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1201/mma_s_belfort01_576.jpg

[PerpetualBurn]

Any Southern European who looks like that is very, very rare.

I'm not saying that he's a norm, or an average. but there are more than a few people in SE that look similar to him.

[Sikeliot]

French/Italian that has neither a french or italian surname? That's a very bad example... he has jewish ancestry. In any case if you think people look like this in southern europe then you need to travel:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1201/mma_s_belfort01_576.jpg

That's a triracial phenotype.

[PerpetualBurn]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQU7h5Hxkq796LZ372chCccWhzVlQsuj YdjOWQjAveAxe_kYt9aQA

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTS027HsGMCiGV-ibN00ZnA625BRlPClkW-G1jt5CsM9EKK1Az8xw

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQL2vjhqbDeboK1ySIrBI-IlrwEsibmievJAH9rfxCiJiORZrLXDQ

Yes.I can see the resemblance.:coffee:

Yeah, nice job posting pictures of Northern Europeans/western europeans LOL.

[PerpetualBurn]

Southern Europe in many areas is mixed a lot anyways, if you guys think the aren't people that look like him there then you don't know what you're talked about. Also in fighters who aren't Negroid, pseudo Negroid features are common from getting your bones broken and getting your face bashed in so many times.

[PerpetualBurn]

French/Italian that has neither a french or italian surname? That's a very bad example... he has jewish ancestry. In any case if you think people look like this in southern europe then you need to travel:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1201/mma_s_belfort01_576.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Gassman

[Vixen]

Yeah, nice job posting pictures of Northern Europeans/western europeans LOL.

Those are white Brazilians.

[Damião de Góis]

Southern Europe in many areas is mixed a lot anyways, if you guys think the aren't people that look like him there then you don't know what you're talked about. Also in fighters who aren't Negroid, pseudo Negroid features are common from getting your bones broken and getting your face bashed in so many times.

"There?"

I'm posting from here. You are the one talking about a place on the other side of the atlantic which you barely know, not me.

[Riki]

Yeah, nice job posting pictures of Northern Europeans/western europeans LOL.

The first its the Brazilian National coach.

The second a Brazilian Model.

The third a Brazilian Basket ball player.

All White Brazilians.

[PerpetualBurn]

Those are white Brazilians.

They are indeed, but there are "white" or european Brazilians that don't look like that.

[PerpetualBurn]

The first its the Brazilian National coach.

The second a Brazilian Model.

The third a Brazilian Basket ball player.

All White Brazilians.

I know who the 1st is LOL

[Sikeliot]

But white Brazilians always look fully European, hence why they are white. The guy you posted does not look white.

[Vixen]

They are indeed, but there are "white" or european Brazilians that don't look like that.

Some might have darker pigmentation, but they don´t have facial features like the guy you posted.

[Riki]

Southern Europe in many areas is mixed a lot anyways, if you guys think the aren't people that look like him there then you don't know what you're talked about. Also in fighters who aren't Negroid, pseudo Negroid features are common from getting your bones broken and getting your face bashed in so many times.

No.Indeed we have some mulattoes in EUROPE not only in SE.
But obvious they are not ethnic representatives of the Nations where they live.
If you think they do.You're very much mistaken.

[Sikeliot]

Why do people recognize that a mulatto immigrant or mixed race person in say, the UK is not a native Brit, but when it's someone in Portugal people assume they're an exotic native?

[PerpetualBurn]

No.Indeed we have some mulattoes in EUROPE not only in SE.
But obvious they are not ethnic representatives of the Nations where they live.
If you think they do.You're very much mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe#mtDNA

No actually, you are LOL.

[Alvarado]

Why do people recognize that a mulatto immigrant or mixed race person in say, the UK is not a native Brit, but when it's someone in Portugal people assume they're an exotic native?

Because there is a persistent legend that Portuguese people are quadroons.

[PerpetualBurn]

Because there is a persistent legend that Portuguese people are quadroons.

I've never heard anybody say anything like that.... There is a fair amount of SSA admixture in some places.

[Sikeliot]

I've never heard anybody say anything like that.... There is a fair amount of SSA admixture in some places.

It doesn't show up autosomally except the occasional person with like, 1% admixture. I've never seen any Portuguese or Spaniard on 23andme get any more than 1% African, and even that I only saw once.

[PerpetualBurn]

It doesn't show up autosomally except the occasional person with like, 1% admixture. I've never seen any Portuguese or Spaniard on 23andme get any more than 1% African, and even that I only saw once.

Did you check the link I sent? Do a google search as well.

[Sikeliot]

That's mtdna, not autosomal DNA.

[Damião de Góis]

I've never heard anybody say anything like that.... There is a fair amount of SSA admixture in some places.

There is, due to recent immigration from former african colonies. Same thing in France and UK, or any other country who had colonies.

Now, the mistake you're making is considering those admixed people as native portuguese.

[Riki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe#mtDNA

No actually, you are LOL.

Wikipedia its not a good source for this kind of thing's.

[Rouxinol]

I've never heard anybody say anything like that.... There is a fair amount of SSA admixture in some places.

Then go to those alleged places and look for that over-hyped SSA admixture. I bet you'll have a hard time finding anything of worth among natives.

You'll either find immigrants or you'll find persons of recent mixed ancestry (I mean, from the last five decades or so) from the colonies - and that is it. It happens in all European countries which had overseas empires.

[Sikeliot]

Then go to those alleged places and look for that over-hyped SSA admixture. I bet you'll have a hard time finding anything of worth.

You can find it only in Alcacer do Sal and Madeira. Most Portuguese I post are Madeirans and people will often say one out of every 10 or so pics I post is "mulatta" or not Portuguese.. but it is a Madeiran person. But Madeira was impacted by the slave trade more than anywhere else in Portugal minus Alcacer do Sal, so that's the exception not the rule.

[Damião de Góis]

You can find it only in Alcacer do Sal and Madeira. Most Portuguese I post are Madeirans and people will often say one out of every 10 or so pics I post is "mulatta" or not Portuguese.. but it is a Madeiran person. But Madeira was impacted by the slave trade more than anywhere else in Portugal minus Alcacer do Sal, so that's the exception not the rule.

Take a trip do Álcacer do Sal then, and tell us what you saw there.

[Sikeliot]

Take a trip do Álcacer do Sal then, and tell us what you saw there.

Do they not look mixed unlike reported?

As for Madeira I am going on that I do not cherrypick at all when I post photos from there, but people often point out one person in each set I post who looks mixed to them.

[Damião de Góis]

Do they not look mixed unlike reported?

Mixed? Not really:

Kdp1an1kkQM

The unusual high L frequency is supposedly from a little village on the outskirts of Alcácer do Sal. Alcácer is a bigger city.


As for Madeira I am going on that I do not cherrypick at all when I post photos from there, but people often point out one person in each set I post who looks mixed to them.

I can't speak for Madeira, since i've never been there.

[Sikeliot]

Mixed? Not really:

Kdp1an1kkQM

The unusual high L frequency is supposedly from a little village on the outskirts of Alcácer do Sal. Alcácer is a bigger city.



I can't speak for Madeira, since i've never been there.

Ah ok. For Alcacer do Sal I stand corrected then.

As far as Madeira goes, I'll do a brief search for pics now and revive an old thread and post them there.

[Riki]

Do they not look mixed unlike reported?

As for Madeira I am going on that I do not cherrypick at all when I post photos from there, but people often point out one person in each set I post who looks mixed to them.


The Madeirans that I find in England(I don't find any in Portugal) some do look mixed.Not all of course,but one thing I can tell you.They're behaviour its very different from us In the mainland.
In England People tend to say Portuguese speak loud.Well 90% of them are from Madeira.
Me and my friends don't speak loud at all.

[Sikeliot]

The Madeirans that I find in England(I don't find any in Portugal) some do look mixed.

In what way? What I notice is a small but significant number of people showing minor African traits. And it makes sense, given the history of the island in the early years of the slave trade. Granted these genes probably only compose 5% of all genes at best, but they do reappear in people's looks occasionally.

I posted some in a thread just now btw.

[Riki]

In what way? What I notice is a small but significant number of people showing minor African traits. And it makes sense, given the history of the island in the early years of the slave trade. Granted these genes probably only compose 5% of all genes at best, but they do reappear in people's looks occasionally.

I posted some in a thread just now btw.

I find more semitic looking then Negro actually.

[Sikeliot]

I find more semitic looking then Negro actually.

I don't see Semitic influences. I see a great majority who look typical SW Euro (Atlantid, Atlanto-Med, Med, some small Nordid influence) and a small minority with African.

[ChocolateFace]

i heard that vitor's dad is french and his mom is greek. a lot of greeks are even darker than vitor so i wouldnt think that its crazy to believe that

[GeistFaust]

Cro-Magnon with a strong to standard Mediterranid influence, and I would say he could have some SSA and Amerindian influences, but his European side is definitely dominant.

[kevinmac]

Could easily fit in Portugal in my opinion.

[mikeyup]

Could easily fit in Portugal in my opinion.

Maybe he could, not easily though. His look is more associated with Brazil.

[Blake]

He's not Portuguese, more French and Greek descent, but he pass as White Brazilians without problem.

More Pictures

http://imguol.com/c/esporte/2014/05/06/vitor-belfort-concede-entrevista-ao-uol-esporte-em-sua-academia-na-barra-da-tijuca-zona-oeste-do-rio-de-janeiro-1399415835177_956x500.jpg

http://amantesdoesporte.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Vitor-Belfort-e-filho-Davi.jpg

http://www.ofuxico.com.br/img/galeria/2013/11/183328.jpg

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/43/42834.jpg

http://fotos.caras.uol.com.br/media/images/raw/2013/11/22/img-566831-vitor-belfort20131122161385143592.jpg

http://jblog.com.br/media/144/20091008-belfort%20stallone.jpg

His Father
http://www.lancenet.com.br/lutas/Belfort-pai-FOTO-Arquivo-Pessoal_LANIMA20130810_0154_48.jpg

His Mother
http://s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/620x470/2012/01/17/dsc01514_95.jpg


For me he's Med-CM and fit better in Greece than Portugal.

[kevinmac]

Fits very portugese and would pass easily in Portugal. I have seen numerous that look just like him.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Med+CM.

[Odin]

Atlanto-Med + CM.