Which region in Europe has the best food

[Vojnik]

Vote which European sub-region has the best food. I vote for Southern Europe.

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[Mortimer]

yes southern europe obviously

[Osprey]

Spain and Italy.

[Incal]

Southern Europe hands down.

[Aces High]

Sardegna.

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[Methmatician]

It's obviously Southern Europe.

[Archduke]

Southern Europe.

[Vojnik]

Macedonian food, falls under Southern European food.

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[rashka]

I prefer Northern European food.

[MandM]

South

[MandM]

I prefer Northern European food.

witch one do u like best, and what with the norther is it u like best about =)

[Vojnik]

I prefer Northern European food.

Thank you for your deviance :D, but may I ask what you find so good about Northern European food?

[Methmatician]

I prefer Northern European food.

HEATHEN :D

[Vojnik]

Actually, now that I think of it, I love the British invented Fish'n'chips.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2zxrzgz.jpg

[rashka]

Actually, now that I think of it, I love the British invented Fish'n'chips.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2zxrzgz.jpg

It's delicious with lemon and mayonnaise or tartar sauce.

[Vojnik]

It's delicious with lemon and mayonnaise or tartar sauce.

And tomato sauce. :p

[Turkophagos]

There's not such thing as "Northern European Food".

[Breedingvariety]

I voted Eastern Europe. I don't consider Lithuania to be Northern Europe. I consider it to be rather Eastern Europe. And Lithuania has the best food, IMO.

[MandM]

well i think norther food is very tasteless very simple, they dont have the love for food like in the south.

i mean north
http://www.venere.com/blog/images/swedish-food.jpg
http://www.emahomagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/62.jpg
http://www.icenews.is/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/swedish-food.jpg


south
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Porqbi0oIis/S8WIG2DsmVI/AAAAAAAAn00/PNNwI30bOyE/s1600/Netherlands_345.JPG
http://www.greecewanderer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/salad_sea_house.jpg
http://winterparkmag.com/winterparkmag/images/stories/july2010/dining_wpm_0710.jpg

[gold_fenix]

Well if we speak of quality , taste, etc is clear that is the South of Europe but for example Scandinavia food is so healtly as mediterranean food only they haven't a so high variety

[MandM]

Well if we speak of quality , taste, etc is clear that is the South of Europe but for example Scandinavia food is so healtly as mediterranean food only they haven't a so high variety

well yes and no they cook the diffrently, in scandinavia they mostly use somthing thats like butter, to fry there food, wile in the south is olive oil, and that makes alot off diffrence in the kitchen

[Aces High]

There's not such thing as "Northern European Food".

Well there is,but to us eating is more of a re-fuelling excerise so we can get back to work.
Southern Europeans dont have that outlook.

[Minesweeper]

I never enjoyed food to be honest. It's rather mechanical eating.

[MandM]

I never enjoyed food to be honest. It's rather mechanical eating.

am the oter way around, o love sitting with family and friends, just talking having a good time over a nice meal drinking a good beer or vine =)

[Duke]

I like all kinds of food, no matter from where, but i like sea food the most.
Going by that i could say i don't prefer as much continental food?

[Queen B]

Νοthing beats Greek and generally Southern food ;)

[Talvi]

It seems to me that Southern food is more dry... and they use a lot of tomato based things.

I hate tomatoes.

[Virtuous]

BITCHES PLEASE, you have the Aryans, we have the food u.u

[dralos]

southern food is the best

[Rastko]

I eat only domestic stuff from countryside made by my grandparents.

[Onur]

Not only in Europe but the best cuisine in the world is in the mediterranean region, no contest. It`s also the most healthiest as well as the best tasting one. Ofc thats include Lebanon, Syria too.

[Il Principe]

Italy and France have the best food, hands down. I'm a bit surprised that these two Latin countries weren't put together in the same "cuisine culture". Maybe it's for the best, as Italy and France would otherwise have a total gastronomic supremacy over the rest of the world. :tongue

If I absolutely had to choose one country, it'd be Italy. Their food is a work of art, like much of their other creations.


Not only in Europe but the best cuisine in the world is in the mediterranean region, no contest. It`s also the most healthiest as well as the best tasting one. Ofc thats include Lebanon, Syria too.
Kebab is healthy and tastes good?

[safinator]

Clearly Southern Europe

[Talvi]

I cant believe this!!!

Post some southern food you think is good.

[Queen B]

I cant believe this!!!

Post some southern food you think is good.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bsREgYehCHA/S8laGdZ_N8I/AAAAAAAAAys/KXtTWc-bJgU/s1600/P3160005+(2).JPG
http://www.food-easy-recipes.com/include/1/Avgolemono-Chicken-soup-recipe.jpg
http://www.cretegazette.com/2010/images/greek-gemista-01.jpg
http://www.prespabeans.gr/img/syntages/gigantes-fournou.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp00cIcOkn8/TWftQENm6VI/AAAAAAAAAK4/nGsXBccaxeg/s1600/3255546770_d0a1edd7fe.jpg
http://photoshoper.gr/images/arni%20giuvetsi.jpg
http://cookoo.gr/photos/large/nistisimo_xtapodi_me_kofto_makaronaki.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6hGf_GBfgj4/TCDniBEQakI/AAAAAAAAAEc/FGYEUZot4W8/s1600/ChoriatikiSalataKypros1.jpg
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http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/images/20090319-pork-souvlaki.jpg
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[Methmatician]

Kebab is healthy and tastes good?

It's tasty, but I don't know if it's healthy. If you eat in moderation it's ok.

[Rouxinol]

My today's lunch: açorda de camarão.

http://www.culinarias.net/acorda_de_camarao_a_pressa-img1491-1_1_0_maior.jpg

I would choose Italian food, after my country's own food. From France I prefer provençal cuisine over the rest.

I also like some northern European inventions every now and then, like jacket potato or fish and chips from England, or bratwurst and saurkraut from Germany.

[ikki]

and even with something like kebab, i wonder how well one would recognice northern kebabs in the south ;)
I mean, they are in essense.. and served as.. paved meatballs.

Or pasta. Which means spagetti. Which means spagetti bologniese.. which in turn is really a rather specific version of said course. Once more localised just like kebab above.

But then the more typical, like potato-meat stews of various varieties.

And on top of that all the rather more special local stuff

[Vasconcelos]

I cant believe this!!!

Post some southern food you think is good.

lol

Have you EVER eaten south European food? I suppose this is just pseudo-north superiority.






açorda de camarão.
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I would chose Italian food, after my country's own food. From France I prefer provençal cuisine over the rest.
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bratwurst and saurkraut from Germany.
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[Waidewut]

The best food for an individual is the food cultivated in the region the individual originates.
There is no "best" food for everyone and I only voted for Northern Europe just in opposition to Southern European chauvinists.

[Talvi]

lol

Have you EVER eaten south European food? I suppose this is just pseudo-north superiority.




Like I said before, there seems to be a lot of tomato based sauces and things included in southern food. I hate that.

The food is also more likely to be spicy. Another thing I do not like.

The pictures of foods posted so far... only one of them looks good to me. But it also looks so basic, any country has that.
http://kritikessintages.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/pc2101411.jpg


I have eaten this and it was horrible. I had to throw it away.
http://www.cretegazette.com/2010/images/greek-gemista-01.jpg



And most people here saying how amazing southern food is.. are southerners themselves.

[purple]

I don't want to spoil Bulgarian cuisine, but I think the Balkans have the best cuisine...

Our cuisine is pretty mixed, has Asiatic, Med and Turkish influences

We use a lot of herbs (Bulgaria, in particular). Germans, Spaniards, English, or Italian rarely use herbs. They usually put sauses (specially French), instead of herbs.

Our salads are always rich in cheese, herbs, tomatoes and cucumbers (Shopska salad, Ovcharska salad, Turshiya, Kiopulu etc.)
http://www.cuisineeurope.com/cms/images/bg-shopska-salad.jpg

Banica, a traditional Bulgarian food, something like ''bread'' with layers, filled with cheese, sometimes meat vegetables, even fruits. Banica has so many variations, dependable on the region - patatnik, luchnik, tikvenik. I never saw such big variety of ''banica type'' food in the rest of Europe!!!
http://alexs.blog.bg/photos/82352/original/banica.jpg

Soups: Tarator, Bob chorba, Shkembe (fuck EU for forbidding us to eat the latter, because it's not healthy:mad:), Kurban Churba, Soup with meatballs and another 20 types of soups, depending on the region...

BBQ (Skara): Kebabs, Karnache, Nadenitsa (the BG wurst)

Other dishes: sarmi (also in Turkey, as far as I know), kavarma, drob sarma (liver? sarma), kapama, drusan kebab, Eggs in Panagyurishte style, Tatar meatball, baklava, kachamak

Other breads and pastries: Tikvenik, Mekitsa, Katmi (local version of pancakes), Gypsy banica (haha, LOL), popara, milinka, halva, lokum (these 2 are for dessert:D)

I have visited almost every country in Europe. I never saw such big variety of food in the rest of Europe as in Bulgaria. Italy has spaghetti and lasagna, English have...uh chips and fish..:coffee: French have some food I cannot eat because of too much sauce...


http://www.wmj.ru/Portals/3/new_recipes/pervie_bluda/shkembe_chorba.jpg

http://infobulgaria.info/bgsimvoli/pics/29.jpg
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I think Serbs, Albos, Turks, Greeks know what I am talking about :)

[Rouxinol]

And most people here saying how amazing southern food is.. are southerners themselves.

Have you ever got out of that tiny square of land you live in? Maybe you should take a stroll around southern European restaurants in the summer to see how crowded they are of starving "northerners" eager to indulge themselves into the flavors of the "southerners" cuisines. Actually, it comes as no surprise that southern European food is actually a major draw of tourists from all over - in Europe, especially from the north (well, not from Estonia, obviously, they barely have the money to cross their own border).

[ficuscarica]

Baden has the best food in my opinion (Baden is the most highly decorated gastronomic region in Germany, just like the neighbouring Alsace is in France). But that´s maybe because I am used to it.

In terms of meat, sausages, bread and bread rolls Germany - and especially Baden - is light years ahead of Southern Europe. And as we have our own Pasta (Spaetzle) and delicious potato salad and roasted potatoes (which I both like more than pasta), there´s not much of Southern European food that I would miss. The only thing to argue about for me would be sea food, which we in Baden don´t have as inland region.

Due to our submediterrranean influenced climate we also have an abundance in both typical German fruits and more mediterranean fruits like figs, almonds, melons, apricots, nectarines, and peaches, and also vegetables like early aspargus and also including med vegetables like egg plants, tomatoes, chillis, paprika, etc. Baden is famous for its Pinot vines, both red and white, and of course its beer as well.

Pizza or Pasta is nice to go out for little money, but the crown of eating as celebration is visiting a traditional Badisch restaurant.
Basically our cuisine combines German quality, Northern abundance and Southern freshness.
When I think about what my grandma used to cook I feel pity for those who think the South Euro cuisine is the best.
Notice that I am talking about Baden, not about Germany as a whole.

I think Hungary & Balkan follow as number two, together with Italy.

[Talvi]

Have you ever got out of that tiny square of land you live in? Maybe you should take a stroll around southern European restaurants in the summer to see how crowded they are of starving "northerners" eager to indulge themselves into the flavors of the "southerners" cuisines. Actually, it comes as no surprise that southern European food is actually a major draw of tourists from all over - in Europe, especially from the north (well, not from Estonia, obviously, they barely have the money to cross their own border).

Oh Im so sorry, I didnt know I am not allowed to have a preference in food.
Why the hell should I care what other northerners or whomever else like to eat??

To me, your food sucks.

[ficuscarica]

The region of Baden was a former German state (1806-1945). Today it is found within the German state of Baden Württemberg. Baden is known for the Black Forest (Schwarzwald) as well as being a "culinary paradise."


Cooking in Baden has been influenced by it's neighbors, France and Switzerland. Likewise, the region's fertile soil and warm climate has always
provided an abundant selection of foods, giving locals the ability to create a wide variety of delicacies.

http://www.germanfoodguide.com/badenwurt.htm

[Corvus]

Southern Europe. Italian dishes are famous and loved worldwide.
Spanish and Greek food is also delicious.

[Damião de Góis]

Southern of course.

[gold_fenix]

Spanish or Italian food are really greater, people in the foreign know only a small variety, myself i don't know dishes from Italian gastronomy who are amazing and they say can be said about Spain, in the North of Spain there is a cuisine who is out of the typical mediterranean gastronomy who is another wonderful

French cuisine is overvalued and Balkans gastronomy undervalued

[ficuscarica]

Southern of course.
For you it is of course. It has a lot to do with what you are used to.
People from older generations in Baden wouldn´t even touch Spanish or Portuguese food, but would turn away from it with disgust. :D My father would freak out in anger if he came home from work and my mother would present him Paella or Kebab. :D:D:D

That being sad I rank Italian food higher than German food (which ranks on the same rank as Spain) in general, but lower than food from Baden:
For me...
1. Baden
2. Italy
3. Germany in general and Spain

But Baden is neither Northern nor Southern, more like Central with Southern tendencies.

[purple]

Everybody likes Italian and Spanish because they are the most popular ones. You have Italian restaurants everywhere in Europe, even in run down places..Nobody pointed out Balkan, because it's not popular and hardly anyone tasted it..

What is so special about Spanish food I dunno..Paella..I ate paella 24/7 while I was in Spain and everywhere, from Madrid to Zaragoza,it was badly cooked (or you just can't cook it, I dunno). No offence to Spaniards, but Spanish cusine for me is paella and some fish:rolleyes: And in Barca they cook so-so, but still better than Madrid.I guess the sea has influence..Correct me if I am wrong:)

[Damião de Góis]

For you it is of course. It has a lot to do with what you are used to.
People from older generations in Baden wouldn´t even touch Spanish or Portuguese food, but would turn away from it with disgust. :D My father would freak out in anger if he came home from work and my mother would present him Paella or Kebab. :D:D:D

That being sad I rank Italian food higher than German food (which ranks on the same rank as Spain) in general, but lower than food from Baden:
For me...
1. Baden
2. Italy
3. Germany in general and Spain

But Baden is neither Northern nor Southern, more like Central with Southern tendencies.

Are you crazy? Think about our sea food or cod... ;)

[Apina]

Definitely Southern Europe! Italian, Spanish, Greek among others! I can not really think of a Northern European country which is famous for its cuisine...

[Corvus]

Ficuscarica you are very Baden focused IMO.
This is regional patriotism of the highest calibre.

[Alvarado]

What is so special about Spanish food I dunno..Paella..I ate paella 24/7 while I was in Spain and everywhere, from Madrid to Zaragoza,it was badly cooked (or you just can't cook it, I dunno). No offence to Spaniards, but Spanish cusine for me is paella and some fish:rolleyes: And in Barca they cook so-so, but still better than Madrid.I guess the sea has influence..Correct me if I am wrong:)

Only a fool would eat paella in a touristic place.

[ficuscarica]

Ficuscarica you are very Baden focused IMO.
This is regional patriotism of the highest calibre.

And you are highly focussed on your partially southern roots. ;)

I am really honest, I would never even consider exchanging Badisch food for Italian or Spanish food and so would most Badeners, most would laugh at the thought. ;) Italian is not to far away from Badisch in terms of taste, but Spanish or Balkan... sorry (although I sometimes go to a Spanish restaurant or a Balkan restaurant). Look, I go to a med restaurant when I want to spend little money and the food is okay there. But I go to a Badisch restaurant to celebrate and the food there is overwhelming.

It is just logic to make a difference between Badisch and other German food by the way. Much of the food (probably most of it) you get in traditional restaurants here you won´t find in Berlin or Hamburg.

And you are right: I am regional patriotic indeed, I am 1. Badisch, 2. Badisch, 3. Badisch, 4. Badisch, .... 10. German. ;) I would like Baden to be an own country actually.

[purple]

Only a fool would eat paella in a touristic place.

I didn't eat paella only in touristic places..I know where I go to eat, because we have relatives that live in Spain and they showed us places in their neighbourhood, which are far from being touristic

Anyway, good food for me is rich, variety, all kinds of food. Sure, I adore Gaspacho but it is also very simple and fast to make..And also, in Malaga the food was good, I guess the influence from North Africa probably..I dunno..Overall, I am not a fan of the whole ''oh, Italian, oh Spanish food''...

[ficuscarica]

Are you crazy? Think about our sea food or cod... ;)

An old Badener won´t touch seafood. ;)

[Azalea]

Southern Europe and especially the Balkans considering the Turkish influence in their cuisine. :D

[purple]

Alvarado, are you from Madrid? Do you know San Cristobal?

[jerney]

Like I said before, there seems to be a lot of tomato based sauces and things included in southern food. I hate that.

Maybe in Italian food, but I know in Greek food the majority of the sauces aren't tomato based.


I have eaten this and it was horrible. I had to throw it away.
http://www.cretegazette.com/2010/images/greek-gemista-01.jpg

And most people here saying how amazing southern food is.. are southerners themselves.


Well, I'm VERY picky when it comes to food and even I like this. Maybe it really just didn't go well with your taste buds, but I guess it's possible that it also wasn't cooked well.

Anyway, I'm not a Southerner and I prefer Southern food. Italian and Greek are the best imo. Never had Spanish food really so I can't say.


Everybody likes Italian and Spanish because they are the most popular ones. You have Italian restaurants everywhere in Europe, even in run down places..Nobody pointed out Balkan, because it's not popular and hardly anyone tasted it..

I've seen far more Greek restaurants in Northern countries than Spanish ones :shrug:

[Onur]

I don't want to spoil Bulgarian cuisine, but I think the Balkans have the best cuisine...

sarmi (also in Turkey, as far as I know)
.......

Not only that dish, all the words for the dishes you mentioned in your message is Turkish and obviously all these meals exists in Turkey too.

[ficuscarica]

I want to add that South Euro food is usually considered as "okay" or "nice" cheap and fast alternative, but doesn´t come in question as high quality food for celebrations. It is kinda akin to McDonald´s vs gourmet restauran here, and I am not saying that to provoke. A relative once celebrated his wedding in a mediterranean style Hotel, it was considered as desaster compared to weddings at traditional restaurants where the food is considered as almost divine and people can hardly walk after eating. :D

That being sad I consider our food neither as Northern nor as Southern nor as Western food, which makes it hard to vote. In general Southern food likely is better than Northern food, but it is considerably worse than ours. :D

[Queen B]

The food is also more likely to be spicy. Another thing I do not like.[/IMG]
Personally, I hate spicy food, and they upset my stomach. None of those I posted are spicy.



I have eaten this and it was horrible. I had to throw it away.
http://www.cretegazette.com/2010/images/greek-gemista-01.jpg

Its because you tried to Turkish version :lol:


And most people here saying how amazing southern food is.. are southerners themselves.
Greek restaurants are always full of tourists, and Greek restaurants outside Greece are very popular.
Why you think most Greeks in US are restaurant owners? :wink


I think Serbs, Albos, Turks, Greeks know what I am talking about :)

:thumbs up

[Alvarado]

Alvarado, are you from Madrid? Do you know San Cristobal?

No, I'm from the North. San Cristóbal is an immigrant neighborhood, I have never been there.

[jerney]

That being said though, I despise all the seafood/fish that's included in Southern European cuisine (especially Greek). It makes me want to throw up honestly.

[Damião de Góis]

I want to add that South Euro food is usually considered as "okay" or "nice" cheap and fast alternative, but doesn´t come in question as high quality food for celebrations. It is kinda akin to McDonald´s vs gourmet restauran here, and I am not saying that to provoke. That being sad I consider our food neither as Northern nor as Southern nor as Western food, which makes it hard to vote. In general Southern food likely is better than Northern food, but it is considerably worse than ours. :D

Well, "northern food" doesn't exist here and Lisbon is pretty multi-cultural. So in reality we don't know what we're missing. Foreign restaurants here include indian, chinese, japanese, brazilian, thai, etc and of course american (mcdonalds, kfc, etc).

[Azalea]

However, I need to say that I do think that Western/Northern Europe cuisine is by far superiour when it comes to pastry/cookies and sweets.. My grandfather moved back to Turkey after his retirement but whenever he visits the Netherlands he always buys a lot of sweets/pastry because he misses them so much in Turkey. :D

Some examples of Dutch sweets/pastry:

http://eetsmakelijk.thesserie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bosschebol.jpg

http://www.bakkerboer.nl/Schuimgebak.jpg

http://www.bakerystars.nl/afbeeldingen/producten/Ambachtelijke_tompouce.jpg

http://bakkersinbedrijf.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/04_vlaai1.jpg

[Aces High]

A relative once celebrated his wedding in a mediterranean style Hotel, it was considered as desaster compared to weddings at traditional restaurants where the food is considered as almost divine and people can hardly walk after eating. :D


I once attended a wedding reception in Sardegna...a cousin of my wifes.

Three days was my limit when i had to go and get some sleep...the others were still going strong........and to my knowledge it is probably still going on today.

[Onur]

Its because you tried to Turkish version :lol:
But if he wants to eat the best, then he has to eat the authentic Turkish dolma, not the ripoff Greek one, probably named as dolma-dikis or dolma-liki?


However, I need to say that I do think that Western/Northern Europe cuisine is by far superiour when it comes to pastry/cookies and sweets..
I agree to you. Pastry, sweets of France, Germany is the best.

[gold_fenix]

However, I need to say that I do think that Western/Northern Europe cuisine is by far superiour when it comes to pastry/cookies and sweets.. My grandfather moved back to Turkey after his retirement but whenever he visits the Netherlands he always buys a lot of sweets/pastry because he misses them so much in Turkey. :D

Some examples of Dutch sweets/pastry:

http://eetsmakelijk.thesserie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bosschebol.jpg

http://www.bakkerboer.nl/Schuimgebak.jpg

http://www.bakerystars.nl/afbeeldingen/producten/Ambachtelijke_tompouce.jpg

http://bakkersinbedrijf.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/04_vlaai1.jpg

as a turk can say that??? the desserts or baked are very diverse in Turkey, have a high elaboration

[Dilberth]

Clearly Central Europe,namely hungarian one.

[Midori]

Southern Europe, but only Italy. I don't like Balkan(Turkish) food.

[jerney]

I agree sweets/pastries in Northern countries tend to be extremely good, but the sweets here in Greece seem to be very good too. I'd only say the Northern ones are slightly better because they tend to be a bit less sweet and don't go overboard with the syrup/honey sauces like Greeks sometimes do.

[ficuscarica]

Well, "northern food" doesn't exist here and Lisbon is pretty multi-cultural. So in reality we don't know what we're missing. Foreign restaurants here include indian, chinese, japanese, brazilian, thai, etc and of course american (mcdonalds, kfc, etc).

Those people come to Portugal as "economic refugees", the same reason why Greek and Italian people come to Germany. As they often don´t have high qualification they simply sell fast food or open a restaurant. This is the reason why Chinese food or Indian food is popular in Portugal and also the reason why Italian or Turkish food is popular in Germany, the Netherlands or England. As North European countries are more wealthy nobody thinks about going to South Europe to open a fast food restaurant. ;)

[Apina]

Well, "northern food" doesn't exist here and Lisbon is pretty multi-cultural. So in reality we don't know what we're missing. Foreign restaurants here include indian, chinese, japanese, brazilian, thai, etc and of course american (mcdonalds, kfc, etc).
In Lisbon, fast food is a lot better than in Northern Europe.

Casa das Sandes > Mcdonalds

[Queen B]

However, I need to say that I do think that Western/Northern Europe cuisine is by far superiour when it comes to pastry/cookies and sweets.. My grandfather moved back to Turkey after his retirement but whenever he visits the Netherlands he always buys a lot of sweets/pastry because he misses them so much in Turkey. :D

I find Turkish pastries much more delicious than any Nothern/Western ones.

[Damião de Góis]

In Lisbon, fast food is a lot better than in Northern Europe.

Casa das Sandes > Mcdonalds

You mean this? http://www.companhiadassandes.pt/

Some of the best sandwiches i had were in the Netherlands actually, but it was not Mcdonalds.

[jerney]

Those people come to Portugal as "economic refugees", the same reason why Greek and Italian people come to Germany. As they often don´t have high qualification they simply sell fast food or open a restaurant. This is the reason why Chinese food or Indian food is popular in Portugal and also the reason why Italian or Turkish food is popular in Germany, the Netherlands or England. As North European countries are more wealthy nobody thinks about going to South Europe to open a fast food restaurant. ;)

Don't be ridiculous, it's not the 60s or 70s anymore. Southern Europeans are no longer moving to Germany to open restaurants, run fast food or do any kind of similar jobs. The majority of people leaving SE to go to the richer, "northern" countries are the professionals and educated ones (at least in the case of Greece), because they cannot find jobs that suit their qualifications in their own country. Turks are different matter though. Obviously still leaving Turkey to leech off Germans and the German government.

[Incal]

In terms of meat, sausages, bread and bread rolls Germany - and especially Baden - is light years ahead of Southern Europe. And as we have our own Pasta (Spaetzle) and delicious potato salad and roasted potatoes (which I both like more than pasta), there´s not much of Southern European food that I would miss. The only thing to argue about for me would be sea food, which we in Baden don´t have as inland region.

I love Spätzle and Maultaschen. I also love Fleischkäse with a fried egg or potato salad.

[Apina]

You mean this? http://www.companhiadassandes.pt/

Some of the best sandwiches i had were in the Netherlands actually, but it was not Mcdonalds.
Yes, that was it. Portuguese fast food is better than Northern European fast food in any case.

[ficuscarica]

@jerney: LOL, how is my posting ridiculous. It was an explanation for the South Euro restaurants in North Euro while there are close to zero North Euro restaurants in South Euro. And the reason simply and obviously is mass immigration of poor South Euro people to North Euro. Maybe it has changed, but this is the reason for the situation.

[ficuscarica]

I love Spätzle and Maultaschen. I also love Fleischkäse with a fried egg or potato salad.

Hehe, you know what is good. :D Did you try Zwiebelrostbraten and Rahmschnitzel, too?

[Queen B]

@jerney: LOL, how is my posting ridiculous. It was an explanation for the South Euro restaurants in North Euro while there are close to zero North Euro restaurants in South Euro. And the reason simply and obviously is mass immigration of poor South Euro people to North Euro. Maybe it has changed, but this is the reason for the situation.
Because no Southern Euro will eat this food, obviously.

[ficuscarica]

Because no Southern Euro will eat this food, obviously.

You don´t even know what we eat where I live and almost no Badeneres leave our place or would even consider emmigrating to Greece, but hundreds of thousands South Euros (unfortunately!!) immigrate here, due to our wealth. :rolleyes: :thumb001:
And what do I care what you will eat down there, when most people here that have enough money to go to the traditional restaurants regard South Euro food as literal trash food, akin to McDonald´s.

I remember being together with some Americans in Israel. They refer to as Italian or Greek food as nice. However, once a hotel served (for whatever reason) food very similar to traditional Badisch food. It was worse than what we get in restaurants here, but still similar. The Americans almost freaked out at how nice it was.

Mediterranean food is good, but traditional Badisch food is excellent, but no Badener would ever even think about having a restaurant in Greece, because it would be like moving to the third world.

[jerney]

LOL, how is my posting ridiculous. It was an explanation for the South Euro restaurants in North Euro while there are close to zero North Euro restaurants in South Euro. And the reason simply and obviously is mass immigration of poor South Euro people to North Euro. Maybe it has changed, but this is the reason for the situation.

I'm not arguing the reason for it, but the fact that you acted like it's still happening today. And besides, those restaurants wouldn't be successful in people didn't enjoy the food. I'm willingly to bet even if the situations were reversed, "northern" cuisine would be a lot less successful in southern countries.

[jerney]

You don´t even know what we eat where I live and almost no Badeneres leave our place or would even consider emmigrating to Greece, but hundreds of thousands South Euros immigrate here, due to our wealth. :rolleyes: :thumb001:


Most Greeks who immigrated were Pontian Greek and did not go to Germany for its immense wealth if you can remember correctly, but to help rebuild Germany after it was destroyed by the war. :rolleyes:

[Apina]

I think what is interesting when you compare the 'infiltration' of North Euro restaurants in S. EUrope (and vice versa), and who these restaurants serve. For example, in North Europe, it is very common to see Italian, Spanish tapas, Greek, Mexican, Latin American etc restaurants that cater to a Northern Europe clientela (the natives). Usually in Italy, Spain, Portugal, the only Northern European restaurants are in touristic areas that cater to tourists - English food on Costa Del Sol for English, German food for Germans etc. It is rare that these restaurants cater to the Southern European natives. Food for thought...

[StonyArabia]

SouthEastern Europe and Italy:)

[ficuscarica]

Most Greeks who immigrated were Pontian Greek and did not go to Germany for its immense wealth if you can remember correctly, but to help rebuild Germany after it was destroyed by the war. :rolleyes:

The good old gastarbeiter myth. The Wirtschaftswunder was achieved when Germany had almost no foreigners. They came when economy was already prospering, to help make it prosper even more and to flee from unemployment in their countries. I remember seeing photos of South Italians and there housing in Germany. Although being desastrous for a German it was still luxury for them.

[ficuscarica]

I think what is interesting when you compare the 'infiltration' of North Euro restaurants in S. EUrope (and vice versa), and who these restaurants serve. For example, in North Europe, it is very common to see Italian, Spanish tapas, Greek, Mexican, Latin American etc restaurants that cater to a Northern Europe clientela (the natives). Usually in Italy, Spain, Portugal, the only Northern European restaurants are in touristic areas that cater to tourists - English food on Costa Del Sol for English, German food for Germans etc. It is rare that these restaurants cater to the Southern European natives. Food for thought...

I clearly distinguished between Badisch food and German food in general. I doubt there even are Badisch restaurants in South Euro, as people don´t leave this place, but more and more are coming.

[Queen B]

You don´t even know what we eat where I live and almost no Badeneres leave our place or would even consider emmigrating to Greece, but hundreds of thousands South Euros (unfortunately!!) immigrate here, due to our wealth. :rolleyes: :thumb001:
I have visited Germany a couple of times and tried the German food.

In one of my visits, the CEOs of the companies we visited, told us that they make the dinner to the CEOs of other companies or important cooparates, in the Greek restaurant around there. :coffee:



Mediterranean food is good, but traditional Badisch food is excellent, but no Badener would ever even think about having a restaurant in Greece, because it would be like moving to the third world.
Fuscarica, instead of taking your shit on a national level, please talk about food.
I can also take the discussion on a personal level, and be sure, I won't be polite at all, but I don't.

[ficuscarica]

I'm not arguing the reason for it, but the fact that you acted like it's still happening today. And besides, those restaurants wouldn't be successful in people didn't enjoy the food. I'm willingly to bet even if the situations were reversed, "northern" cuisine would be a lot less successful in southern countries.

Might be true, as I never was referring to "northern" cuisine, but to Badisch cuisine. Baden has the most star restaurants in Germany for obvious reasons and I am only talking about Baden. Again, a Badener would simply laugh when you told him that Greek or Italian food is as good as traditional Badisch food as you get it in restaurants for at least three times the price of South Euro "trash food".

[Apina]

I clearly distinguished between Badisch food and German food in general. I doubt there even are Badisch restaurants in South Euro, as people don´t leave this place, but more and more are coming.
I've just thought - Northern European desserts tend to become more popular in Southern Europe. Especially chocolate things haha - Belgian, Swiss etc.

[ficuscarica]

I have visited Germany a couple of times and tried the German food.


Again: I am NOT talking about German, but about Badisch food, which differs from average German food (which is known among gourmets).

[ficuscarica]

I've just thought - Northern European desserts tend to become more popular in Southern Europe. Especially chocolate things haha - Belgian, Swiss etc.

I heard about that chocolate phenomenon, too.

[ficuscarica]

Fuscarica, instead of taking your shit on a national level, please talk about food.
I can also take the discussion on a personal level, and be sure, I won't be polite at all, but I don't.

I am just telling you what people here feel. Really, no offense, but they would regard South Europe countries as "cheap and underdeveloped countries" and the food as "okay" or even rather tasty kind of fast food, but nothing like the much more expensive traditional food. The Badisch view on South Euro food is closely linked to the view of these countries in general.
And I don´t mean that as offense.

[2Cool]

Southern Europe by far and it's not even a contest imo.

[Queen B]

I am just telling you what people here feel. Really, no offense, but they would regard South Europe countries as "cheap and underdeveloped countries" and the food as "okay" or even rather tasty kind of fast food, but nothing like the much more expensive traditional food. The Badisch view on South Euro food is closely linked to the view of these countries in general.
And I don´t mean that as offense.
It was irrelevant and offensive.
''Unfortunately'', ''3rd world country'' and stuff like that, is irrelevant and provocative.

We also don't have the best opinion about Germany or German people, but there is no reason for me to mention it, since we are talking about food, not how cold-assed Germans are .

[2Cool]

Well there is,but to us eating is more of a re-fuelling excerise so we can get back to work.
Southern Europeans dont have that outlook.

lol. You always have something to say? England has a shit cuisine. Deal with it. You are lucky to have immigrants to show you how it's done.

[The Lawspeaker]

Southern Europe. Because they have the better climate.

[jerney]

Might be true, as I never was referring to "northern" cuisine, but to Badisch cuisine. Baden has the most star restaurants in Germany for obvious reasons and I am only talking about Baden. Again, a Badener would simply laugh when you told him that Greek or Italian food is as good as traditional Badisch food as you get it in restaurants for at least three times the price of South Euro "trash food".

Maybe that's how things operate in your little Baden village, but you don't seem to have much interaction with others Germans because I know many Germans seem to love Italian and Greek food, including my family, and I've never seen anyone refer to it as "junk food" or fast food. Obviously the majority of people will love the food they grew up on the most, but to act like people think of Kebab shops or Imbiss and SE restaurants as the same thing is ridiculous.

[Rouxinol]

I am just telling you what people here feel. Really, no offense, but they would regard South Europe countries as "cheap and underdeveloped countries" and the food as "okay" or even rather tasty kind of fast food, but nothing like the much more expensive traditional food. The Badisch view on South Euro food is closely linked to the view of these countries in general.
And I don´t mean that as offense.

I think no one knows about the Badish food other than the Badeners themselves. But I would like to know more about it now that you came up with it. :thumbs up

[Rouxinol]

@jerney: LOL, how is my posting ridiculous. It was an explanation for the South Euro restaurants in North Euro while there are close to zero North Euro restaurants in South Euro. And the reason simply and obviously is mass immigration of poor South Euro people to North Euro. Maybe it has changed, but this is the reason for the situation.

Well, northern European restaurants tend to take influences from French and Italian cuisines, mainly, and then add to it some local influences or innovations introduced by the creative chefs they hire. There are some exceptions, but not a big thing. The reason you won't find any northern European food restaurants in southern Europe is simply because those restaurants wouldn't have any customers - not even natives from northern Europe, which often come to southern Europe for the food and climate. Maybe they would have me, because I like things such as jacket potato, fish and ships and sauerkraut, but I am an exception to the rule. I think you should gather some information before posting things like this.

[StonyArabia]

Kebabs are great, I think most people know more about Southern European cousine because it's just great. As well most people fancy stuff with Italian on it.

[Waidewut]

There is no point in emphasizing the popularity and quantity of Southern European restaurants as indicators of "better" food.
Northern Europe just doesn't have the restaurant culture itself as it is in Southern Europe, so the ability to sell your food to others isn't an factor in this comparison.

[Onur]

I am just telling you what people here feel. Really, no offense, but they would regard South Europe countries as "cheap and underdeveloped countries" and the food as "okay" or even rather tasty kind of fast food, but nothing like the much more expensive traditional food. The Badisch view on South Euro food is closely linked to the view of these countries in general.
And I don´t mean that as offense.
It`s obvious that you don't know anything about food culture.

You don't need to be a rich country to develop a rich cuisine. It`s about general culture and you also need good climate for good variety of vegetables and fruits to grow.

I also find so funny that a German says these words because Germany neither have a proper cuisine nor a good climate for agriculture. Well, ofc if you guys over there considering chopped pork meat and sausages as supposedly a "rich cuisine", then i have nothing to say to you :)

[The Lawspeaker]

This is not entirely true, Onur. In the case of the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_cuisine) and Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_cuisine) there used to be richer food culture which was close to what is being eaten in Northern France. In the case of the Netherlands it was basically wiped out by the huishoudschool which just taught household staff to cook quick, filling meals.


In the case of the Netherlands, unlike Germany, we have a fusion cuisine as well: Indische Rijsttafel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijsttafel) is not Indonesian. It's a Dutch invention.

[Apina]

Part of the reason why Southern European food is better, is that they have/had the climate to grow more things. More variety.

[Onur]

This is not entirely true, Onur. In the case of the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_cuisine) and Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_cuisine) there used to be richer food culture which was close to what is being eaten in Northern France.
Tuan, i don't know much about Dutch food culture but for Belgium, there is already no nation or culture in the world as Belgians. It`s completely fake and invented by France to serve as some kind of second Switzerland in Europe.

There are Dutch and French people in Belgium. They might call themselves as Belgians today but in reality, they are Dutch and French people and obviously it`s no surprise that they have elements from French cuisine.

[2Cool]

This is not entirely true, Onur. In the case of the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_cuisine) and Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_cuisine) there used to be richer food culture which was close to what is being eaten in Northern France. In the case of the Netherlands it was basically wiped out by the huishoudschool which just taught household staff to cook quick, filling meals.


In the case of the Netherlands, unlike Germany, we have a fusion cuisine as well: Indische Rijsttafel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijsttafel) is not Indonesian. It's a Dutch invention.

Rijsttafel doesn't look like fusion food to me. It just looks like the Dutch Colonials took some Indonesian dishes and made it into some type of banquet style dinner to impress foreigners.

[The Lawspeaker]

Rijsttafel doesn't look like fusion food to me. It just looks like the Dutch Colonials took some Indonesian dishes and made it into some type of banquet style dinner to impress foreigners.

Wrong. It is a Dutch food that was developed by colonials using local ingredients (like spekkoek is one as well). Indonesians, like other South-East Asian peoples don't eat banquets. It's a Western thing. And in the Dutch East Indies eating Rijsttafel was usually something that was indeed served up by the complete staff and most guests would not have been foreign but other Dutch dignitaries (or the local raya !) so your entire theory doesn't work.

[Vasconcelos]

Yes, that was it. Portuguese fast food is better than Northern European fast food in any case.

Have you ever tried H3 in Portugal? It's a fast food chain that makes gourmet hamburgers, it's really good and trumphs any other FF chain I know.

http://www.coexistblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/h3-tuga.JPG

http://www.lifecooler.com/lifecooler/imagens/bd/236210.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6689699431_4c5a961b30_m.jpg

[Aces High]

I am just telling you what people here feel. Really, no offense, but they would regard South Europe countries as "cheap and underdeveloped countries" and the food as "okay" or even rather tasty kind of fast food, .

Strange....i was in Pienza and Montepulciano just last week and the place was packed with Germans/Dutch and English.....and will be until october.
Resteraunts packed.....roads clogged with German cars......Cantina's packed with Germans buying up "Shitty" vineager tasting wine....

I should have told them to save their pennies and visit Badischland instead....and enjoy the climate and wonderfull food there.

:rolleyes:

[Leliana]

Germany, Austria and Switzerland: Western Europe. :) People are just ignorant about our food and think it's only about Kartoffeln, Kraut and sausages. The vote result shows the ignorance. :rolleyes: But I'm okay with it: You eat your overrated mediterranean food and we eat our tasty and secret great meals.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VP653XFEL._SS500_.jpg

^It contains 940 pages of great meals of all sorts.

http://www.weltbild.at/media/sb/1/013727272-oesterreichische-kueche.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CvTzTfLew_g/SntDp04AEuI/AAAAAAAAYeY/YLoLCgM6FpU/s400/060-schwizer.jpg

[purple]

Why are we discussing a country's development on thread about food?

[Damião de Góis]

Have you ever tried H3 in Portugal? It's a fast food chain that makes gourmet hamburgers, it's really good and trumphs any other FF chain I know.

http://www.coexistblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/h3-tuga.JPG



I've tried the one above, it was very good but not enough for a meal. I was still hungry when i finished.

[Vasconcelos]

Why do people have to make this a competition?
I thought Clubite was a typically Portuguese issue, instead I realize the rest of Europe suffers from it aswell.

[Aces High]

England has a shit cuisine. Deal with it. You are lucky to have immigrants to show you how it's done.

Thanks for taking the time out to respond Mr President.......now get back to running the country please.

[The Lawspeaker]

Thanks for taking the time out to respond Mr President.......now get back to running the country please.

I must admit: In general English food sucks but that's probably because the UK went through the same period as we did. Household staff getting only a cheap basic training at the turn of the 20th century. Rationing in two world wars.

Traditionally English cuisine was at the very top of Europe and I did have a taste of it when I had dinner at my (now of course ex-) mother-in-law who really prepared a good old-fashioned meal with everything from Yorkshire puddings to god knows what because most of the things I didn't even recognise. And I definitely enjoyed the Sunday Roast and the full breakfast as well as the way English make their tea (it convinced me to dump the Dutch way of making it and adopt the English way right away- which I still use today).

But there is one thing that you will never be able to convince me of: that English beer is actually drinkable. :D

[Leliana]

Mediterranean kitchen = Take incredient X and Y and drown it in olive oil.

Formula for mediterranean food: (F)ood=(x1+x2+x3+x4+...xn)*olive oil² :heh:

[Midori]

Mediterranean kitchen = Take incredient X and Y and drown it in olive oil.

Formula for mediterranean food: (F)ood=(x1+x2+x3+x4+...xn)*olive oil² :heh:

Is Turkish food considered Mediterranean? Everyone seems to like it but it sucks IMO.

[Aces High]

I must admit: In general English food sucks

Thats true,there are some exceptions which have been perfected....the traditional sunday dinner and the full English reakfast to name a couple.
Also some of the puddings are quite good,spotted dick and apple crumble etc.

As for beer...i dont realy drink it....and have never understood peoples fascination with real ales etc.
German beer is the best imo.

[Aces High]

Mediterranean kitchen = Take incredient X and Y and drown it in olive oil.

Next time your in Rome....give me a bell and ill take you out for a meal and convert you....;)

[purple]

French is overrated. Some snobs bragging over snails with truffle sauce..:D

Now, give me my shopska salad, my mekicas with jam or cheese, my kavarma and my shkembe chorba and I am happy for the rest of my life:D

[Damião de Góis]

Have you ever tried H3 in Portugal? It's a fast food chain that makes gourmet hamburgers, it's really good and trumphs any other FF chain I know.


Prego Gourmet is also good btw

http://www.ionline.pt/sites/default/files/imagecache/iarticle_photo_400x225/imagens/prego-pao-low.jpg

[Leliana]

Next time your in Rome....give me a bell and ill take you out for a meal and convert you....;)
I like Italian food. :) But there's a too strong bias against Western European food, or lets say food coming from the German speaking countries.

Is Turkish food considered Mediterranean? Everyone seems to like it but it sucks IMO.
The question is about 'Which region in Europe has the best food?'. Turkey is not Europe and I don't talk about Turkish food. Mediterranean food is a part of Portuguese, Spanish, Southern French, Italian and Balkan cuisine.

[The Lawspeaker]

German beer is the best imo.
I disagree. German beer is boring because of the Reinheitsgebot. I prefer Belgian or Czech beers which at least have some character.

[Damião de Góis]

I like Italian food. :) But there's a too strong bias against Western European food, or lets say food coming from the German speaking countries.

That's not true, the sausages are world famous. :p

[Leliana]

I disagree. German beer is boring because of the Reinheitsgebot. I prefer Belgian or Czech beers which at least have some character.
The famous Czech beer 'Pilsener Urquell' has German roots, a German name and a German recipe. :p

[The Lawspeaker]

The famous Czech beer 'Pilsener Urquell' has German roots, a German name and a German recipe. :p

I like Velkopopovický Kozel. And the hoppy Urquell, unlike the real German beers has taste. I tried German beer in Germany and I wasn't impressed at all.

[Sultan Suleiman]

I prefer Northern European food.

Traitor whore :mad:

JK :D

But still :(

[purple]

Leliana, Bulgarian food has great Turkish influence. Local versions of typical Turkish food are greatly presented in Bulgaria, mostly the Southern regions. Does this makes us non-European?

[Mortimer]

I like Italian food. :) But there's a too strong bias against Western European food, or lets say food coming from the German speaking countries.

.

German is good too but i like the Italian and Balkan Food best even Germans like Italian best, it shouldnt be a chauvinism just stating the obvious everybody should

[The Lawspeaker]

German is good too but i like the Italian and Balkan Food best even Germans like Italian best, it shouldnt be a chauvinism just stating the obvious everybody should

At least I dare to state that, apart from some small breweries that are not in the hands of the big wigs, Dutch beer really sucks. It really does. Dutch beer, particularly Heineken, is the American beer of Europe because we have the same problems America has: weak beer with no real character because there is no real competition as there are few independent breweries in a market that is completely under the control (even down to the pubs) of a couple of big breweries. People here tend to have such stupid, almost obscene, loyalties to the "beer of the region" (Amstel and Heineken in the West and North, Grolsch in the East and Bavaria in the South and Brand or Wieckse Witte in the deep South) that it doesn't warrant innovation and/or greater quality.

[Mortimer]

At least I dare to state that, apart from some small breweries that are not in the hands of the big wigs, Dutch beer really sucks. It really does. Dutch beer, particularly Heineken, is the American beer of Europe because we have the same problems America has: few independent breweries and a market completely under control (even down to the pubs) of a couple of big breweries.

I actually think the oppossite when it comes to beer the germans and dutch and english are probably best, but when it comes to wine the meds are best, stereotypes but i associate dutch with good cheese as well. yet overall the med cuisine is best i guess

[Aces High]

I like Italian food. :) But there's a too strong bias against Western European food, or lets say food coming from the German speaking countries.

The surroundings are important too.

For example i was sat out on my terrace today eating lunch.....just a fresh salad and some cheese with a glass of vino.
Very hot here today so i was sat there in my shorts while my wife clacked about over the hot tiles tending her plants....the swallows are on the wing so were swooping and chirping about....etc.

You just get caught up in the wholeness of it all...its not just about the food....it can be quite an aesthetic experience.


Another example is in England when you goto have your hair cut..you sit down and have it cut and thats it.
Here you have a "Hair experience"....as Dario doeas his thing and you come out looking like the Teflon Don....same but a bit of an Italian twist to it...and not unpleasant.
Same as a Taxi ride.....over here you ahve a "Taxi experience"...espescially in Rome...:eek:

And so on.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Bosnia wins this with out breaking a sweat :)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb5xmh_diners-drive-ins-and-dives-cafe-pit_shortfilms

[Breedingvariety]

Badish Rothaus wheat beer is the best beer ever.

[2Cool]

USA has a thriving micro-brewing community as well. Most their commercials beers though.

[Queen B]

Germany, Austria and Switzerland: Western Europe. :) People are just ignorant about our food and think it's only about Kartoffeln, Kraut and sausages. The vote result shows the ignorance. :rolleyes: But I'm okay with it: You eat your overrated mediterranean food and we eat our tasty and secret great meals.


I have tried many meals in my visits. The only think I adore was Snietzel, and a plate with deer I ate in Austria.
Generally, the food was not something that I liked.
On the other hand, I loved the pastries. Apple-based pastries was to die for.
Beer of course, as well.

The vote does not show ignorance. The poll shows that YOUR taste doesn't match the taste of the majority.

Taste on food is subjective. If I dislike German food doesn't mean I am ignorant, it means I have a different taste. Simple as that.

[2Cool]

Thanks for taking the time out to respond Mr President.......now get back to running the country please.

I'm glad you agree with me.

[Midori]

The question is about 'Which region in Europe has the best food?'. Turkey is not Europe and I don't talk about Turkish food. Mediterranean food is a part of Portuguese, Spanish, Southern French, Italian and Balkan cuisine.

Well Balkan food is basically Turkish.

[Sultan Suleiman]

Well Balkan food is basically Turkish.

xD

[dralos]

Well Balkan food is basically Turkish.
its true but i think we improved it a bit

[gold_fenix]

well turkish food if i am not wrong is mainly a mediterranean food , don't have a important arab infuence, anyway perhaps that turkish influence is perhaps an old greek or roman tradition, for example "el hojaldre" is a preparation very similar to balklava who arabs brought to Iberia however it seems that it was from greeks and romans

[Aces High]

The only mediteranean country i have visited where the food is disgusting is Turkey.
Maybe its something to do with the Turkish aversion to anything hygenic...who knows but believe me if you want to lose weight go to Turkey.

You will be shitting like a goose for weeks afterwards.

Quite as bad if not worse as all north african food.

From that part of the med id say Lebonese food is the best.

[Rouxinol]

I think central and northern European food is not that bad as often pictured - it just happens to be not as nearly half varied and tasteful as its southern counterparts. It is more centered on being of simple confection and on supplying the energy required for the workday. Recently, however, and due mainly to French and Italian influence, central/northern European food has been improving, introducing variety and innovation, and even becoming gourmet in some cases. When it comes to pastries and cakes, on the other hand, some places are very good on them and among the best, like Austria and Germany. Some central and northern European food I've tried, liked and wish I'd have at hand to eat whenever I want (some of them are easy to re-create at home, such as the Belgian frites - French fries topped with mayonnaise - others are not):

Apfelstrudel (Austria):
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Sy1J10X9Ivw/TGk-YpaHfHI/AAAAAAAAAB0/-Kt87mzTVhw/s1600/apfelstrudel.jpg

Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte (Germany):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Black_Forest_gateau.jpg

Smørrebrød (Denmark):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Sm%C3%B8rrebr%C3%B8d_2.jpg/800px-Sm%C3%B8rrebr%C3%B8d_2.jpg

Jacket Potato (England), with Cheddar on top is delicious:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3280/3143803588_381b944445_z.jpg

Haggis (Scotland):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Haggis_neeps_tatties.JPG/800px-Haggis_neeps_tatties.JPG

Full English/Scottish breakfast (England, Scotland):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Scottish_breakfast.jpg/800px-Scottish_breakfast.jpg

Waterzooi (Flanders):
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2132/3543181024_b7f8d191be_z.jpg

Fish and Chips (England):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Flickr_adactio_164930387--Fish_and_chips.jpg

Frites (Belgium):
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/68/204011279_2c354ccaf8_z.jpg

Eisbein (Germany):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Eisbein-2.jpg/800px-Eisbein-2.jpg

Among others.

[Siginulfo]

Southern Europe all the way! I could post thousands and thousands of different foods and dishes from that zone... but I don't want:D

[Onur]

Leliana, Bulgarian food has great Turkish influence. Local versions of typical Turkish food are greatly presented in Bulgaria, mostly the Southern regions. Does this makes us non-European?
Yes, eating baklava and burek would instantly make you non-European because these are not "Vatican-approved" food according to Leliana`s standards :)


perhaps that turkish influence is perhaps an old greek or roman tradition, for example "el hojaldre" is a preparation very similar to balklava who arabs brought to Iberia however it seems that it was from greeks and romans
Yes, we learned yogurt, baklava, burek from ancient hellenes. Actually the hellenes was using yogurt as a lubricant but then they figured it out that it also tastes good, especially after using it for sexual activity :lol:


The only mediteranean country i have visited where the food is disgusting is Turkey.
Are you kidding or just trying to be marginal one? Then why you brits keep eating our doner kebab after boozing?

[Queen B]

Yes, we learned yogurt, baklava, burek from ancient hellenes. Actually the hellenes was using yogurt as a lubricant but then they figured it out that it also tastes good, especially after using it for sexual activity :lol:

Your post are always such a valuable and high-level contribution :rolleyes2:

[Aces High]

hy you brits keep eating our doner kebab after boozing?

After boozing...not before....;)

[Sikeliot]

Southern Europe.

[Il Principe]

Yes, we learned yogurt, baklava, burek from ancient hellenes. Actually the hellenes was using yogurt as a lubricant but then they figured it out that it also tastes good, especially after using it for sexual activity
A Turk mocking the Greeks for being sodomites (which they indeed were) is not just the pot calling the kettle black - it's the pot calling the kettle a pot.

[2Cool]

The only mediteranean country i have visited where the food is disgusting is Turkey.
Maybe its something to do with the Turkish aversion to anything hygenic...who knows but believe me if you want to lose weight go to Turkey.

You will be shitting like a goose for weeks afterwards.

Quite as bad if not worse as all north african food.

From that part of the med id say Lebonese food is the best.

Moroccan food is delicious and one the most varied cuisines in the world. Also Turkish cuisine shares many similarities with the cuisine in the Balkans which is also very good. Most Europeans also seem to agree since kebab restaurants are pretty much everywhere.

[Vixen]

I love all food really, both northern and southern European. The only things I don´t eat are fish and seafood. Here´s a list of some favourite dishes.

Ossobuco with risotto milanese
Other types of risotto, including:
Funghi
Porcini
Truffle
Or a mix of mushrooms

Pasta dishes, including:
Carbonara
Alfredo
Arrabiata
Bolognese

Swedish meatballs
Goulash with spatzle
Wurst with potato salad

[StonyArabia]

The best of best is from the North Caucasus
The best Middle Eastern food is from the Syrian Desert, you should try it.

[Aces High]

Most Europeans also seem to agree since kebab restaurants are pretty much everywhere.

MacDonalads is everywhere...doesnt mean most people have good taste...it means most people are stupid cunts.

Shitty Turkish food is what you eat when you are pissed....and then heave it up again twenty minutes later.

Ever seen a Turkish food joint with a michelin star...eh...?...eh shit for brains.

[Queen B]

MacDonalads is everywhere...doesnt mean most people have good taste...it means most people are stupid cunts.

In Greece, most people that eat McDonalds are foreigners :lol:

[rashka]

Germany, Austria and Switzerland: Western Europe. :) People are just ignorant about our food and think it's only about Kartoffeln, Kraut and sausages.

I was raised on sauerkraut, sausages and potatoes. :lol:
That is a big thing in Serbian cuisine.


I love these Norwegian Salmon cakes:
http://www.recipe.com/images/salmon-potato-cakes-R112580-ss.jpg

[2Cool]

MacDonalads is everywhere...doesnt mean most people have good taste...it means most people are stupid cunts.

Shitty Turkish food is what you eat when you are pissed....and then heave it up again twenty minutes later.

Ever seen a Turkish food joint with a michelin star...eh...?...eh shit for brains.

Who gives a damn about Michelin stars? Many of the requirements to be eligible for one are actually stupid (like needing to have a white table cloth). I'll pick a small local restaurant that produces rustic food over those Michelin star restaurants any day. High cuisine is overrated imo, . Japan is the country with the most 3 star Michelin star restaurants. That doesn't mean it has the best cuisine in the world.

[Aces High]

In Greece, most people that eat McDonalds are foreigners :lol:

Its the same case in Rome for most parts although a lot of Italians also take the kids to MCD,s as a treat.
I suppose it caters to people too lazy to find a small resteraunt or trattoria where the owner cooks decent food.

Anyway the good thing is it keeps the sheeple out from under my feet when im in said resteraunt.

[Damião de Góis]

The only things I don´t eat are fish and seafood.


I'm gonna pretend i didn't read this :mad:

[Queen B]

Its the same case in Rome for most parts although a lot of Italians also take the kids to MCD,s as a treat.

Here not. It considered the junkier of jank food.
We have a similar-kind of fast food chain in Greece, Goodys, (http://www.goodysnet.com/en/home-page/)which is chosen over McDonalds by Greeks.
I have visited 2 times McDonalds. Both times, I threw up.

[Sikeliot]

I'm gonna pretend i didn't read this :mad:

I know! A half Portuguese, half Sicilian who doesn't like seafood?! ;)

I love seafood, personally. Not shellfish so much though.

[Queen B]

I love seafood.

[Vixen]

I'm gonna pretend i didn't read this :mad:

Haha! I know... I´m a terrible Portuguese :( My family is very ashamed.
I eat Cod once a year, on good friday. It doesn´t have a strong fish taste, but I´ve been without eating seafood for so long, that if I eat a large amount I become sick. I love other Portuguese dishes such as caldo verde and pretty much all the sweets and desserts.

[Aces High]

Here not. It considered the junkier of jank food.
We have a similar-kind of fast food chain in Greece, Goodys, (http://www.goodysnet.com/en/home-page/)which is chosen over McDonalds by Greeks.
I have visited 2 times McDonalds. Both times, I threw up.

I admit i go in there sometimes and have a cup of Mctea....just to observe people more than anything.

Its a voyeurs paradise.

Never seen the goodys before although its a few years since i was last in Greece.
I always found street food quite plentiful and good in Greece.

[Queen B]

I admit i go in there sometimes and have a cup of Mctea....just to observe people more than anything.
Its a voyeurs paradise.

Yes, it is. McDonalds are usually in the most central places. The one in Athens, is in Syntagma square, in the start of Ermou street. Very very central.


Never seen the goodys before although its a few years since i was last in Greece.
I always found street food quite plentiful and good in Greece.
In smaller cities, are not (we don't have in Zakynthos f.e.) because there is a franchise policy that goes per population number.
I remember my mom bitching about ''You ate junk food again'' and after she tried, she wants to go once, every time she was visiting me in Athens.
Its still a junk-food, but the quality of the ingridients and the taste, is very high for what it offers.

Yes, Greece has loooots of street food/restaurants and cafes in general :rolleyes:

[ficuscarica]

Ok, as several people adressed my postings I will try to pack the most important things in one posting.

1. I was talking about the Badisch cuisine, not about the German cuisine in general.

2. The German climate in general is not optimal indeed. But, the climate in Baden is more like Central France, which is also acknowledged by the EU, which put us in the same vine growing zone as the Loire valley or Champagne. Our climate is also similar to Burgundy, which is the reason why we have mainly Pinot vines in Baden.
Climate in Germany - Baden is in the red area:
http://www.anpassung.net/SharedDocs/Bilder/DE/Bioklima__D__1970-2000,property%3Ddefault.jpg

3. The climate in Baden is actually not bad, but almost perfect for agriculture and I would prefer it over Turkish climate any day, as it is described by meteorologists as warm-temperate with submediterranen influence. Our Sicilian neighbour says he likes it much more than the climate in Sicily and sometimes he even complains about our hot summers. This is also the reason for early badisch fruits and vegetables being sold all over Germany when they are not yet ripe elsewhere. We grow aspargus, cherries, apples, pears, peaches, nectarines, melones, reneclaudes, almonds, figs, kakis and also tobacco.
This is what English webpages (http://english.cuisimonde.com/central-europe/german-cuisine/page-18) say:

Baden is considered to be the gourmet region of Germany by many people. No other region in Germany has been awarded with more Michelin stars and Gault-Millau points than the region between Karlsruhe and Konstanz.

. Baden is Germany's third-largest wine-growing region and is the only German wine-making region to belong to the European Union wine growing zone B. Other members include northern Italy and most parts of France. In Baden mostly white wine is produced The most important white wine grapes are Pinot Gris and Muller-Thurgau but the winemakers in Baden also make excellent and highly decorated red wines, especially Pinot Noir.

The mild climate favors agriculture and orchards of course the vineyards of Baden, especially around the Kaiserstuhl, a small group of hills of mostly volcanic origin which is one of the warmest and sunniest spots in Germany.

Now please tell me more about our climate which is bad for agriculture and about Kebab, Spagetthi and Paella...

[Vixen]

I was wondering about these: Beef Croquettes
http://i46.tinypic.com/oziis.jpg
They´re very popular in Brazil, served mostly at German/Austrian/Swiss restaurants and seen as a typical German fast food dish. How popular are they in these countries?

[Guapo]

south Europe, especially Greek and Portuguese cuisine bbq. What is north European food? sheperd's pie, sheep's belly?

[ficuscarica]

Labrador: Some examples of what you get in a good Badisch restaurant.

http://www.lebensmittelfotos.com/wp-content/gallery/hauptgerichte_hg/sauer.jpg
http://www.ftrace.de/_files/images/uploads/cf2ba70b88f5ad6d302caeea4ce99cfad7ec8042_large.jpg
http://imworld.aufeminin.com/dossiers/D20101209/deutsche-kueche-5-121629_L.jpg
http://media.kuechengoetter.de/media/66/12078207422270/8338-0678_41_1_det_001.jpg
http://images.ichkoche.at/data/image/variations/496x384/1/3548.jpg

Jerney pointed to German people not going to such restaurants, which needs some explanation. First, I don´t know about what people do elsewhere in Germany. I was referring to Baden. Second, in Baden often only the local people with roots here even know the traditional restaurants. Of which there aren´t that many and they don´t make advertisements... Immigrants from other parts of Germany or from abroad stick to what they know, fast food or semi fast food like Pizza and Pasta. Also, as quality costs its price (prices at least twice as high as in an Italian restaurant), many people don´t try it, but stick to what they know. Baden is one of the wealthiest regions in Germany and of course in Europe, too. No wonder almost only locals go to our traditional restaurants and look down on Italian or Greek restaurants.

Like it or not, I think there is a reason why these restaurants can have prices two or three times as high as "South European" restaurants and are highly decorated by international gourmets. Also, think about Baden being the neighbour of Alsace with a very similar cuisine and Alsace is the culinary centre of France!

[ficuscarica]

All that being said this must sound like an insult, but remember what some south Euro members said about England for example. I like Italian or Spanish or Greek food and I even visit and enjoy such restaurants. But this doesn´t change that among the local Badeners (which is not a small village as someone said, but about as big as Switzerland), the traditional restaurants with their highly decorated cuisine are regarded as much better.

[2Cool]

Haha! I know... I´m a terrible Portuguese :( My family is very ashamed.
I eat Cod once a year, on good friday. It doesn´t have a strong fish taste, but I´ve been without eating seafood for so long, that if I eat a large amount I become sick. I love other Portuguese dishes such as caldo verde and pretty much all the sweets and desserts.

lol. My parents make a cod fish dish at least once a week. My favorite cod fish dish is Bacalhau à Brás. Also bolinhos de bacalhau are a must on holidays.

[Aces High]

Baden is one of the wealthiest regions in Germany and of course in Europe, too. No wonder almost only locals go to our traditional restaurants and look down on Italian or Greek restaurants.

Oh get me a ticket to Baden quick...i dont know what to have first....the spaghetti with meat.....or the meat with supermarket potatoe chip things.....oh no ill have the steek with multi coloured cheese on top........:eek:

What do they eat for breakfast.....winkles and watercress.....?

[ficuscarica]

Oh get me a ticket to Baden quick...i dont know what to have first....the spaghetti with meat.....or the meat with supermarket potatoe chip things.....oh no ill have the steek with multi coloured cheese on top........:eek:

What do they eat for breakfast.....winkles and watercress.....?
I rather believe the opinion of famous gourmets, who see us more alongside our neighbouring region Alsace, which has the most stars in France (just as we in Germany), than an ignorant who thinks pizza & a soft drink for 5,95 is the best food in europe. :thumb001:

[Aces High]

I rather believe the opinion of famous gourmets,

Believe your fellow countrymen who head south in droves every year....;)

[ficuscarica]

Believe your fellow countrymen who head south in droves every year....;)

LOL, Badeners drink Badisch wine and German wine experts don´t give most awards to Badisch wine for no reason.
People from Hamburg or Berlin, who don´t even know that there is Baden or Palatinate, go to buy the wine they know from the supermarket. :D

The problem I face here is that I argue using the opinions of gourmets and experts, while most others are referring to what people prefer to buy for semi fast food for 5,49 Euro + a soft drink, or maybe, once in a while (special events), 9,95.

[Vixen]

lol. My parents make a cod fish dish at least once a week. My favorite cod fish dish is Bacalhau à Brás. Also bolinhos de bacalhau are a must on holidays.

Let me guess... every friday? :) Bolinhos are very popular here too, they are typically served at bars along with beer.

[Aces High]

LOL, Badeners drink Badisch wine and German wine .

Also known as water with a bag of sugar in it.

[Aces High]

The problem I face here is that I argue using the opinions of gourmets and experts, while most others are referring to what people prefer to buy for semi fast food for 5,49 Euro + a soft drink, or maybe, once in a while (special events), 9,95.

Then you are mistaken scooter.

I could buy you a thousand times over....;)

[Rouxinol]

I rather believe the opinion of famous gourmets, who see us more alongside our neighbouring region Alsace, which has the most stars in France (just as we in Germany), than an ignorant who thinks pizza & a soft drink for 5,95 is the best food in europe. :thumb001:

Have your ever been to Italy? Have you ever eaten a genuine, Italian pizza, made according to the finest Italian tradition? A slice of pizza from Pizza Hut does not deserve to be labeled as "Italian food".

[ficuscarica]

Also known as water with a bag of sugar in it.

Hm, but then the masses would buy it, as that is what they prefer. :D

[Vixen]

Believe your fellow countrymen who head south in droves every year....;)

I think German food gets a bad rep in some places, but it´s one of the most popular cuisines here in Brazil and Rio is full of German restaurants. It´s even more popular in the south where the majority of German immigrants settled.

[ficuscarica]

Have your ever been to Italy? Have you ever eat a genuine, Italian pizza, made according to the finest Italian tradition? A slice of pizza from Pizza Hut does not deserve to be labeled as "Italian food".

Yes. Also, our pizza restaurants are lead by Italians and also visited by Italians, as my village has many Sicilian immigrants (between 5 and 10% of the population). I like the pizza they sell a lot, but it still can´t compete with Badisch traditional food, which isn´t sold for twice or more the price for no reason. Not the pizza restaurants are decorated by Gault Michellin. ;)
Also I have eaten pizza in Italy of course, in a restaurant visited by locals, not by tourists. Interestingly friends have told me that for some reason the Italians in Germany make better pizza. :D

[Aces High]

I think German food gets a bad rep in some places, but it´s one of the most popular cuisines here in Brazil and Rio is full of German restaurants. It´s even more popular in the south where the majority of German immigrants settled.

I used to live in Bavaria and the food is good.....but his assumption that southern European food is akin to fast food or junk food is ridiculous.

I mean if it was so good and healthy he wouldnt have all that acne.

[ficuscarica]

I used to live in Bavaria and the food is good.....but his assumption that southern European food is akin to fast food or junk food is ridiculous.

I mean if it was so good and healthy he wouldnt have all that acne.

LOL? I don´t have any acne at all.

And who is talking about Bavaria or German food in general - not me, that´s for sure? :confused:
I am talking about Baden, the brother region of Alsace, which is the same for Germany as Alsace for France - known as the region with most gourmet restaurants.

[2Cool]

Let me guess... every friday? :) Bolinhos are very popular here too, they are typically served at bars along with beer.

No my parents just like to eat fish and seafood a lot. We eat it numerous times a week.

The best thing to eat with beer is:

tremoços
http://i.imgur.com/PqrbM.jpg

It's a shame these aren't more popular. Only Portuguese bars seem to have this.

[dralos]

i guess danemark has the best cuisine since rene redzepi an albanian has won the award of having best restaurant of the world 2 or 3times while cooking nordic style

René Redzepi or (Rexhepi in Albanian) (born 16 December 1977) is the chef and co-owner of the two-Michelin star restaurant Noma in the Christianshavn neighborhood of Copenhagen, Denmark. His restaurant was voted the best restaurant in the world in 2010 San Pellegrino Awards, 2011 and 2012. Redzepi is noted for his work for the reinvention and refinement of a new Nordic cuisine and food that is characterized by inventiveness and clean flavors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Redzepi

[Vixen]

his assumption that southern European food is akin to fast food or junk food is ridiculous.

Indeed, I always thought traditional southern European cuisine was very anti-fast food. They like to sit down with friends and family and enjoy their food, have a few glasses of wine, converse.

[Rouxinol]

Yes. Also, our pizza restaurants are lead by Italians and also visited by Italians, as my village has many Sicilian immigrants (between 5 and 10% of the population). I like the pizza they sell a lot, but it still can´t compete with Badisch traditional food, which isn´t sold for twice or more the price for no reason. Not the pizza restaurants are decorated by Gault Michellin. ;)
Also I have eaten pizza in Italy of course, in a restaurant visited by locals, not by tourists. Interestingly friends have told me that for some reason the Italians in Germany make better pizza. :D

Those restaurants you're talking about are expensive because they are Michelin-starred and gourmet restaurants. You'll find them in southern Europe too. If you stick to ordinary restaurants of ordinary, vernacular German food it is a whole different story. You're comparing top-notch restaurants with fast-food restaurants, it doesn't make any sense. If you want to be fair, compare your beloved Badish Michelin-starred restaurants with Michelin-starred or top-notch gourmet Italian restaurants in Italy.

[Aces High]

I am talking about Baden, the brother region of Alsace, which is the same for Germany as Alsace for France - known as the region with most gourmet restaurants.

Stop trying to justify what you say by giving some flimsy link to France.

Those pictures you put up are dishes that could be served at any motorway cafe in the UK....nothing special.
You prefer it...good for you....im happy for you.

Having a load of gourmet restaurants about is just probably an indicator of the wealth of the region....not the good taste.
Good taste and wealth rarely go hand in hand.

[ficuscarica]

Labrador, I was not talking about Michelin-starred restaurants, but about traditional non-fast food restaurants where the locals use to eat. The price level in traditional Badisch restaurants is higher, because they on aveage sell food that is made of more expensive meat and vegetables compared to what you get in traditional Italian restaurants for example.

[Queen B]

But this doesn´t change that among the local Badeners (which is not a small village as someone said, but about as big as Switzerland), the traditional restaurants with their highly decorated cuisine are regarded as much better.
Ficuscarica,
What Badeners think, I (or can I dare to say ''we''?) couldn't care less.
There is a poll, and everyone posts his/her opinion.
You - an individual - think that Baden's cuisine is superior. Fine. You posted your own opinion - and end of story.
If Badeneners in general support your opinion, doesn't change anything.

Oh get me a ticket to Baden quick...i dont know what to have first....the spaghetti with meat.....or the meat with supermarket potatoe chip things.....oh no ill have the steek with multi coloured cheese on top........:eek:

What do they eat for breakfast.....winkles and watercress.....?

:rotfl:

[ficuscarica]

Stop trying to justify what you say by giving some flimsy link to France.

Those pictures you put up are dishes that could be served at any motorway cafe in the UK....nothing special.
You prefer it...good for you....im happy for you.

Having a load of gourmet restaurants about is just probably an indicator of the wealth of the region....not the good taste.
Good taste and wealth rarely go hand in hand.
This is not a flimsy link to France, Alsace and Baden share a very long border and are very similar in culture and cuisine, even the dialects are parallel (Alsace originally was German speaking).

The dishes are nothing special, I said they are normal food in a traditional restaurant, not in a star restaurant.... I posted them with the purpose of giving an overall impression of normal food. Compared to Italian or Spanish cuisine there is more quality meat in traditional restaurants. And this indeed has to do with the wealth.

[ficuscarica]

Ficuscarica,
What Badeners think, I (or can I dare to say ''we''?) couldn't care less.
There is a poll, and everyone posts his/her opinion.
You - an individual - think that Baden's cuisine is superior. Fine. You posted your own opinion - and end of story.
If Badeneners in general support your opinion, doesn't change anything.


:rotfl:

Not Badeners, but international gourmets share my opinion. And I wrote a lot because people commented on my postings a lot.

[Rouxinol]

Labrador, I was not talking about Michelin-starred restaurants, but about traditional non-fast food restaurants where the locals use to eat. The price level in traditional Badisch restaurants is higher, because they on aveage sell food that is made of more expensive meat and vegetables compared to what you get in traditional Italian restaurants for example.

Well, either way, Italian cuisine is renowned and widely regarded as one of the best in the world - that's quite unanimous. But I congratulate you for your staunch defense of Badish repast.

[Queen B]

Not Badeners, but international gourmets share my opinion. And I wrote a lot because people commented on my postings a lot.
Every single post of yours, says about what Badeners like and what badeners think.

And you should know the difference about gourmet food=/=good food .

[ficuscarica]

Well, either way, Italian cuisine is renowned and widely regarded as one of the best in the world - that's quite unanimous. But I congratulate you for your staunch defense of Badish repast.

Well, I said Italian cuisine is good. But I think that there is a reason that those who know Badisch cuisine and have the money will pay two or three times more for a meal in a traditional Badisch restaurant. ;)

[Aces High]

Compared to Italian or Spanish cuisine there is more quality meat in traditional restaurants.

You really are talking out of your arse.

[Ibericus]

Don't be ridiculous, it's not the 60s or 70s anymore. Southern Europeans are no longer moving to Germany to open restaurants, run fast food or do any kind of similar jobs. The majority of people leaving SE to go to the richer, "northern" countries are the professionals and educated ones (at least in the case of Greece), because they cannot find jobs that suit their qualifications in their own country. Turks are different matter though. Obviously still leaving Turkey to leech off Germans and the German government.
Today, there are more northern euros coming to Spain than the other way around.

[ficuscarica]

Every single post of yours, says about what Badeners like and what badeners think.

And you should know the difference about gourmet food=/=good food .

Actually, I repeatedly referred to the number of starred restaurants, which in Baden is the highest of Germany. And Alsace, our very similar neighbouring region in France has the most stars, too. But maybe the gourmets were wrong with both regions. Of all the non-Badeners I ever met everyone liked Badisch food a lot. But as we are rich and don´t emigrate usually most people don´t know it.

[Queen B]

Actually, I repeatedly referred to the number of starred restaurants, which in Baden is the highest of Germany. And Alsace, our very similar neighbouring region in France has the most stars, too. But maybe the gourmets were wrong with both regions. Of all the non-Badeners I ever met everyone liked Badisch food a lot. But as we are rich and don´t emigrate usually most people don´t know it.
:coffee:

[Peyrol]

Lol, if we have one of the longest life in Europe and lowest euro obesity/overweight rates, there is a precise reason. :lol:

[jerney]

Southern Europeans are known for having a culture that prides itself on good, quality food and drink. To act like the average Spaniard, Italian or Greek is eating food made out of dog meat is delusional. The quality of food in the Mediterranean is on average of higher quality than that in the rest of Europe. And yes, everything is covered in oil olive. You know why? Because it's both healthy and delicious.

[ficuscarica]

You really are talking out of your arse.

Really, too bad I have been to Italian restaurants very often and most dishes are between 5 and 12 Euros for dishes that consist mainly of pasta, rice (risotto) or pizza, while usually a meal in a traditional Badisch restaurant is between 15 and 30 Euros with a bigger piece of meat from an expensive body part like the filets. Does that really surprise you when we have the highest income (beside Bavaria) in Germany and Germany has much higher incomes than Italy? Now combine this North-Euro wealth with a climate that is classified as similar to central France and as excellent for wine and agriculture and you know why Alsace and Baden have the most decorated cuisines in France and Germany....

[Peyrol]

I like also german cousine, especially bavarian one (and also the very bayern-related austrian one).

British (and in particular english) food is horrible, no offence to anyone but just a personal opinion.

[Peyrol]

Anyway "italian cousine" as whole from Piemont to Sicily don't exist (in the same way don't exist a unitary "italian ethnicity").

[Aces High]

Really, too bad I have been to Italian restaurants very often and most dishes are between 5 and 12 Euros for dishes that consist mainly of pasta, rice (risotto) or pizza, while usually a meal in a traditional Badisch restaurant is between 15 and 30 Euros with a bigger piece of meat from an expensive body part like the filets. Does that really surprise you when we have the highest income (beside Bavaria) in Germany and Germany has much higher incomes than Italy?

Save up your pocket money and fly down here,then ill take you up to Toscana and buy you a bistecca alla fiorentina.......it might just shut you up.

[2Cool]

Lol, if we have one of the longest life in Europe and lowest euro obesity/overweight rates, there is a precise reason. :lol:

That's not really because of the cuisine.

http://i.imgur.com/d1JW3.gif

[ficuscarica]

Save up your pocket money and fly down here,then ill take you up to Toscana and buy you a bistecca alla fiorentina.......it might just shut you up.
I know Italian food is good, often very good. That´s no contradiction to Badisch food being better. :p

[Aces High]

That's not really because of the cuisine.


:confused:

[Aces High]

I know Italian food is good, often very good. That´s no contradiction to Badisch food being better. :p

OK,you stick to the overpriced crud whilst i just nibble on a piece of prosciutto.

[Peyrol]

That's not really because of the cuisine.

http://i.imgur.com/d1JW3.gif

Ah no?

And what is the real fat cause? The Draco Malfoy's magic wand? :confused:

OT: why Turkey is listed as "european country"? :confused:

[ficuscarica]

Actually people in South Euro and North Euro live lives with similar lenghts and the charts show there is no significant difference in obesity, too.

[ficuscarica]

OK,you stick to the overpriced crud whilst i just nibble on a piece of prosciutto.

I´ll take both, depending on my mood and my wallet. :D

[2Cool]

:confused:

Look at graph I posted. It has more to do with lifestyle than just the cuisine. Italian Cuisine for example features a lot of pasta and cheese, the former is filled with carbs is not even very nutritious. Yet Italy is pretty low on that list. Look at Netherlands or Denmark, look at low they are. Is it because of their cuisine? Maybe but I don't think it's the main factor. I think it has more to do with the fact that cycling is very popular there.

In the same way look at how high Greece is. Greek cuisine is pretty much the archetypal med cuisine which is considered very healthy.

[Peyrol]

Look at graph I posted. It has more to do with lifestyle than just the cuisine. Italian Cuisine for example features a lot of pasta and cheese, the former is filled with carbs is not even very nutritious. Yet Italy is pretty low on that list. Look at Netherlands or Denmark, look at low they are. Is it because of their cuisine? Maybe but I don't think it's the main factor. I think it has more to do with the fact that cycling is very popular there.

In the same way look at how high Greece is. Greek cuisine is pretty much the archetypal med cuisine which is considered very healthy.

I don't eat any kind of pasta since Christmas :laugh:

[Queen B]

In the same way look at how high Greece is. Greek cuisine is pretty much the archetypal med cuisine which is considered very healthy.
We are fat but we live long.
This is how good our food is :wink

[poiuytrewq0987]

South European, Balkans. North European food is utter garbage in comparison. The only redeeming quality is French food and that is more Central West European...

[Peyrol]

Some examples of pan-italic (some from north, some others from south) dishes



http://ricettein.it/wp-content/uploads/spaghetti-carbonara.jpg

http://www.dlfpistoia.eu/images/stories/primo1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WJWSWd88kL0/TJ8ZD8K4qiI/AAAAAAAAAMo/c9JAdugnYlY/s1600/una-pizza-napoletana-filetti.jpg

http://www.orsococa.it/ricette_di_cucina/immagini/IMG_9326.jpg

http://www.buttalapasta.it/img/brasato-al-barolo-.jpg

http://www.guide360.it/immagini/cotoletta-milanese_640x480.jpg

http://amendolaralive.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/752044677.jpg

http://themanhattanfoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dscn0229.jpg

http://www.odealvino.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/cassata-siciliana.JPG

http://www.granarolo.it/var/granarolo_2011/storage/images/granarolo-sito/ricette/cassata-siciliana/333335-1-ita-IT/Cassata-siciliana_ricetta_full.jpg

http://a59.idata.over-blog.com/500x381/2/56/98/25/lavori-decorativi--anche-degli-altri/PIATTO-DI-CANNOLI-copia-1.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6adsteGfG1qcyyeoo1_500.jpg

http://www.grifasi-sicilia.com/granita_mg.jpg

[Aces High]

South European food is utter garbage

Do describe to us about that old pair of boiled army boots you had for lunch today in sunny macedonia......how were the laces...?

[2Cool]

We are fat but we live long.
This is how good our food is :wink

Do Greeks drink a lot of beer?

I think this is the cause of a lot of these obesity rates: beer bellies. Also typically as people age, they get fatter, and since people are having less kids to balance the aging population, we end up with increases in obesity rates.

[Aces High]

Some examples of pan-italic (some from north, some others from south) dishes



http://ricettein.it/wp-content/uploads/spaghetti-carbonara.jpg

http://www.dlfpistoia.eu/images/stories/primo1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WJWSWd88kL0/TJ8ZD8K4qiI/AAAAAAAAAMo/c9JAdugnYlY/s1600/una-pizza-napoletana-filetti.jpg

http://www.orsococa.it/ricette_di_cucina/immagini/IMG_9326.jpg

http://www.buttalapasta.it/img/brasato-al-barolo-.jpg

http://www.guide360.it/immagini/cotoletta-milanese_640x480.jpg

http://amendolaralive.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/752044677.jpg

http://themanhattanfoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dscn0229.jpg

http://www.odealvino.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/cassata-siciliana.JPG

http://www.granarolo.it/var/granarolo_2011/storage/images/granarolo-sito/ricette/cassata-siciliana/333335-1-ita-IT/Cassata-siciliana_ricetta_full.jpg

http://a59.idata.over-blog.com/500x381/2/56/98/25/lavori-decorativi--anche-degli-altri/PIATTO-DI-CANNOLI-copia-1.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6adsteGfG1qcyyeoo1_500.jpg

http://www.grifasi-sicilia.com/granita_mg.jpg

Im going to be sick....how can you eat that shit.


Im off to Baden for some exquisite boiled cows anus followed by some goat hooves in soy sauce.:rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

I think obesity and life expectancy are different things from how good a cuisine is. I'm sure those tasty meats that exist on both northern and southern european cuisines aren't so good for your health. Otherwise afghan cuisine must suck :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Male_Life_Expectancy.png

[Peyrol]

Well, actually Baden-Württemberg cousine isn't that bad...i prefer bavarian one, but also south-western german isn't so bad. :D

[Lahtari]

I'm smelling a "Sherlock" here. Do I really need to post our northern heritage of leftover innings and your favorite preserved shark meat, et cetera? :D

[Leliana]

Spanish or Italian food are really greater, people in the foreign know only a small variety
But the same could be said about German or Austrian food: Foreign people just know a small variety of our cuisine. Bratwurst, Kraut, Schweinshaxn, Schnitzel and that's it. :rolleyes:


I also find so funny that a German says these words because Germany neither have a proper cuisine nor a good climate for agriculture. Well, ofc if you guys over there considering chopped pork meat and sausages as supposedly a "rich cuisine", then i have nothing to say to you :)
Germany/Austria has excellent, nutritious and perfect soil for agriculture! Our climate with regular rain is the best surrounding for most fruits, animals and vegetables. Unlike Southern European countries we don't need to flush and water our fields and farms in the summer months.

The Southern Europeans of the thread misappropriate the established fact that their agriculture needs irrigation plants. Remove the irrigation plants and most of the cuisine disappears into thin air.

Vineyards in Greece with irrgation plants:

http://www.geo.de/img/userinhalte/picture_contest/57/422/42299_disp.jpg

Cultivation in Southern Spain:

http://www.greenpeace.de/typo3temp/GB/dd82303740.jpg

How fields in Southern Europe usually look like in summer:

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/rcphoto/rcphoto0812/rcphoto081200402/4039601-bewassern-felder-mit-grossen-wasser-sprinkler.jpg

And how their fields would look like without irrigation plants:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C_vS4Nbpzv8/Tp2bRaidhCI/AAAAAAAAYo8/Ol9rcb6N-bo/s1600/la_manga38.jpg

[poiuytrewq0987]

Sorry Leliana but I've tried German tomatoes... :puke

[Germanicus]

Spain and France have the best food, in my humble opinion.

[2Cool]

But the same could be said about German or Austrian food: Foreign people just know a small variety of our cuisine. Bratwurst, Kraut, Schweinshaxn, Schnitzel and that's it. :rolleyes:

Germany/Austria has excellent, nutritious and perfect soil for agriculture! Our climate with regular rain is the best surrounding for most fruits, animals and vegetables. Unlike Southern European countries we don't need to flush and water our fields and farms in the summer months.

The Southern Europeans of the thread misappropriate the established fact that their agriculture needs irrigation plants. Remove the irrigation plants and most of the cuisine disappears into thin air.

Vineyards in Greece with irrgation plants:

[IMG]http://www.geo.de/img/userinhalte/picture_contest/57/422/42299_disp.jpg[/IMG ]

Cultivation in Southern Spain:

[IMG]http://www.greenpeace.de/typo3temp/GB/dd82303740.jpg[/IMG ]

How fields in Southern Europe usually look like in summer:

[IMG]http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/rcphoto/rcphoto0812/rcphoto081200402/4039601-bewassern-felder-mit-grossen-wasser-sprinkler.jpg[/IMG ]

And how their fields would look like without irrigation plants:

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C_vS4Nbpzv8/Tp2bRaidhCI/AAAAAAAAYo8/Ol9rcb6N-bo/s1600/la_manga38.jpg[/IMG ]

Adding water is easy. Sun... not so much ;)

[StonyArabia]

I think obesity and life expectancy are different things from how good a cuisine is. I'm sure those tasty meats that exist on both northern and southern european cuisines aren't so good for your health. Otherwise afghan cuisine must suck :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Male_Life_Expectancy.png

Actually it does not Afghan couisine is really good it's influenced by Persian, Greek, Tatar,Indian and Mongol dishes. You should try it sometime if there are places where you can dine on it. It's one of the great cousines of Central-South Asia. Though you should try the cousine from the areas of Southern Russia it's also wonderful and often it has Tatar influences.

[Vixen]

Leilana, you should post some photo´s of yummy German/Austrian dishes so people can see the variety and quality of the food. :)

[Hurrem sultana]

I don't want to spoil Bulgarian cuisine, but I think the Balkans have the best cuisine...

Our cuisine is pretty mixed, has Asiatic, Med and Turkish influences

We use a lot of herbs (Bulgaria, in particular). Germans, Spaniards, English, or Italian rarely use herbs. They usually put sauses (specially French), instead of herbs.

Our salads are always rich in cheese, herbs, tomatoes and cucumbers (Shopska salad, Ovcharska salad, Turshiya, Kiopulu etc.)
http://www.cuisineeurope.com/cms/images/bg-shopska-salad.jpg

Banica, a traditional Bulgarian food, something like ''bread'' with layers, filled with cheese, sometimes meat vegetables, even fruits. Banica has so many variations, dependable on the region - patatnik, luchnik, tikvenik. I never saw such big variety of ''banica type'' food in the rest of Europe!!!
http://alexs.blog.bg/photos/82352/original/banica.jpg

Soups: Tarator, Bob chorba, Shkembe (fuck EU for forbidding us to eat the latter, because it's not healthy:mad:), Kurban Churba, Soup with meatballs and another 20 types of soups, depending on the region...

BBQ (Skara): Kebabs, Karnache, Nadenitsa (the BG wurst)

Other dishes: sarmi (also in Turkey, as far as I know), kavarma, drob sarma (liver? sarma), kapama, drusan kebab, Eggs in Panagyurishte style, Tatar meatball, baklava, kachamak

Other breads and pastries: Tikvenik, Mekitsa, Katmi (local version of pancakes), Gypsy banica (haha, LOL), popara, milinka, halva, lokum (these 2 are for dessert:D)

I have visited almost every country in Europe. I never saw such big variety of food in the rest of Europe as in Bulgaria. Italy has spaghetti and lasagna, English have...uh chips and fish..:coffee: French have some food I cannot eat because of too much sauce...


http://www.wmj.ru/Portals/3/new_recipes/pervie_bluda/shkembe_chorba.jpg

http://infobulgaria.info/bgsimvoli/pics/29.jpg
http://www.kenar.bg/NR/rdonlyres/BDF4EEA3-D2A5-4522-84C5-47E2BB6D114A/0/lutenica_big.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x6rAWA9Vfqw/TWN6SN3S6UI/AAAAAAAAE4s/J9owjE6ETqg/s400/DSCN5395.JPG

http://detstvoto.net/uploads/posts/2010-05/1274521458_popara-001-2.jpg

http://musketari.com/menu/07.jpg

http://www.dayanabg.com/admin/pic_max/20091206223804tel%20ezik%20v%20maslo.jpg

http://storage3.album.bg/73a/%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D1%81_%D0%BC %D0%B5%D0%B4_c5637_9048253.jpg

I think Serbs, Albos, Turks, Greeks know what I am talking about :)

You like popara? i love popara too and my mom laughs at me :D

[Queen B]

Do Greeks drink a lot of beer?

I think this is the cause of a lot of these obesity rates: beer bellies. Also typically as people age, they get fatter, and since people are having less kids to balance the aging population, we end up with increases in obesity rates.
Not really. We drink, sure, but not more than Germans or some other Europeans.

Our food is more ''heavy'' and we eat dinner late, that's why we are fatter, I guess

[Leliana]

Adding water is easy. Sun... not so much ;)
Hey we have enough sun, we're not England! :P And we have a tree in our garden with apricots. He doesn't need special treatment.

Leilana, you should post some photo´s of yummy German/Austrian dishes so people can see the variety and quality of the food. :)
I'll create a thread in our German subforum soon. I can think of hundred of great German, Austrian and Swiss meals! I'm going to post some pics in here later.

[gold_fenix]

But the same could be said about German or Austrian food: Foreign people just know a small variety of our cuisine. Bratwurst, Kraut, Schweinshaxn, Schnitzel and that's it. :rolleyes:

well i know that one 2 of the most known meals in the world are from Germany, hamburguers and hot dogs (these USA have made a aberration with this and the same with italian food), too the variety of breads in Germany (this will be a ruin for me i love to eat bread alone) or for example i prefer to eat a unknown chocolate from Lidl than Nestle, too i buy the ice cream there

[Peyrol]

The "axis" Spain-France-Italy-Austria-Germany-Greece is the perfect "alliance" of euro foods.

[ficuscarica]

I have to say something in defense of Britain. The English breakfast - toast, fried eggs, bacon, sausages, baked beans - is simply awesome.
http://thethingsthatilove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/english-breakfast.jpg

[SilverKnight]

I have tried Swedish and German food before, is really good. I think they all have pros and cons about them equally. It depends on a person's taste as well.

Hence I don't have definite conclusions. Paella from Spain is a must :D

[Vixen]

I have to say something in defense of Britain. The English breakfast - toast, fried eggs, bacon, sausages, baked beans - is simply awesome.
http://thethingsthatilove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/english-breakfast.jpg

I like this very much! But not for breakfast... Maybe brunch.
I can´t bring myself to eat such a heavy meal so soon after waking up.
My breakfast usually consists of chocolate milk and buttered crackers.

[ficuscarica]

Vixen, I totally understand that, many people can´t eat something heavy for breakfast. I never had problems with it. I have already eaten grilled sausages, Big Mac or a Salami Pizza for breakfast.

But I guess a full English breakfast fits best between 10 and 12 am, after waking up in a nice Bed & Breakfast in Cottswolds, just before heading towards some sights.

[Vixen]

Vixen, I totally understand that, many people can´t eat something heavy for breakfast. I never had problems with it. I have already eaten grilled sausages, Big Mac or a Salami Pizza for breakfast.

:D I have eaten some crazy things for breakfast after a long night of partying with no sleep, including pizza and McDonalds too. Often after leaving a bar or nightclub around 5 am, I would go to one of these
http://i47.tinypic.com/34fy93q.jpg
and order an "ovo-cheese-bacon com cebola" (hamburger with egg, cheese, bacon and onions)



But I guess a full English breakfast fits best between 10 and 12 am, after waking up in a nice Bed & Breakfast in Cottswolds, just before heading towards some sights.

This sounds about perfect.

[gold_fenix]

I have tried Swedish and German food before, is really good. I think they all have pros and cons about them equally. It depends on a person's taste as well.

Hence I don't have definite conclusions. Paella from Spain is a must :D

it is a must, if you know where you have to eat it, a lot of people say that in Valencia , it is the worst place to eat it and come from this zone, why? Valencia is a tourist zone and now...

[Peyrol]

In the iberian peninsula, catalan cousine is the best.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_An3cWZ8Smf8/TMhCOQ3j7iI/AAAAAAAAA1c/XzkgXtiFu9U/s1600/fideua+4.jpg

http://www.viaggigolosi.com/images/ESP%20aragosta%20alla%20catalana%203.jpg

http://www.capodannoabarcellona.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Paella-barcellona.jpg

http://flaviabi.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/astice-alla-catalana.jpg

http://www.ilvinodimarcovercesi.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CREMA_CATALANA.jpg

[Piparskeggr]

Depending upon my mood and what my mind sets itself upon, most any region.

I attended a gathering with some Asatru friends in Wisconsin and we had a potluck supper, had food from all four regions, all was delicious.

Only cooking I'm not too fond of, haute cuisine (especially the nouvelle offshoot).

[gold_fenix]

In the iberian peninsula, catalan cousine is the best.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_An3cWZ8Smf8/TMhCOQ3j7iI/AAAAAAAAA1c/XzkgXtiFu9U/s1600/fideua+4.jpg

http://www.viaggigolosi.com/images/ESP%20aragosta%20alla%20catalana%203.jpg

http://www.capodannoabarcellona.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Paella-barcellona.jpg

http://flaviabi.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/astice-alla-catalana.jpg

http://www.ilvinodimarcovercesi.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/CREMA_CATALANA.jpg

In any region you can find excellent food, exept for the East, Catalonia have a excellent gastronomy without doubts but in a lot of restaurant they don't put in practise his gastronomy and in Madrid it is so easy to find something good as bad
by the way if you like fideua go to Balear Islands, Ibiza is excellent you can find traditional mediterran gastronomy and too gourmet food

[SilverKnight]

:puppy_dp: Oh dear these plates look good as hell.



it is a must, if you know where you have to eat it, a lot of people say that in Valencia , it is the worst place to eat it and come from this zone, why? Valencia is a tourist zone and now...

True, homemade/traditional is always best and in non-tourist areas. A see Anthony Bourdain he always goes to the non-tourist places.

[Incal]

Hehe, you know what is good. :D Did you try Zwiebelrostbraten and Rahmschnitzel, too?

Jawohl!