[SPLIT] Ancient European Alphabets

[Tabiti]

Bulgarian pre-christian runes (yes, we had runic alphabet):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Bulgar_runic_letters.png

Б, Ж, З, У, Ф, Ш, Щ, Ъ, Ь in Cyrillic probably originated from those.

[Angantyr]

Bulgarian pre-christian runes (yes, we had runic alphabet):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Bulgar_runic_letters.png

Б, Ж, З, У, Ф, Ш, Щ, Ъ, Ь in Cyrillic probably originated from those.

The Bulgarian runes are nothing but nationalistic mysticism. Clearly, many of the letters are based on Cyrillic. This would necessarily be after the Christianization of the Bulgars, after they had abandoned their original Bulgar tongue and adopted Slavic.

And Cyrillic itself is based on Greek. We know this as a historical fact as the developers of the Cyrillic alphabet were Greeks who explicitly did so. Moreover, the similarity between Greek and Cyrillic is overwhelming.

We also know that they borrowed letters from Hebrew for sounds that did not exist in Greek. Thus the Ш is a direct borrowing from Hebrew ש and represents the same sound, that of "sh" in English.

I was completing my Ph.D. in historical linguistics before I switched to law. This is my speciality.

[Tabiti]

OK, as you wish so...Could post pre-christian artefacts with runes, but that is not the case. Some of them don't look in the same way, btw, but I must scan images.
Never claimed Cyrillic wasn't based on Greek alphabet. Yes, it is based, as the Greek alphabet was based on earlier ones.

[Angantyr]

OK, as you wish so...Could post pre-christian artefacts with runes, but that is not the case. Some of them don't look in the same way, btw, but I must scan images.
Never claimed Cyrillic wasn't based on Greek alphabet. Yes, it is based, as the Greek alphabet was based on earlier ones.

Firstly, there are no accepted pre-Christian artefacts with Slavic Runes on them. Secondly, we absolutely and unquestionably know the history and development of Cyrillic and the proposed Slavic runes are clearly based on Cyrillic even to the most untrained eye. It is impossible that the proto-Slavs invented a nearly identical system in complete isolation.

Cyrillic was based on Greek and Greek was based on Phoenecian, a sister script to Hebrew. Like Cyrillic, Latin script is also based on Greek through the intermediary of Etruscan.

[Osweo]

Glagolitza - the preCyrillic:
Actually, though, I might have got things a bit confused here, but isn't this alphabet THE original Cyrillic? The one that Kyrill and Mefodiy made up?

As I heard somewhere, the modern 'Cyrillic' was invented under the auspices of a later Bulgarian Tsar - I forget which one - when the old glagolitic script for Slavonic was rejected in favour of the more Greek one in use today.


Bulgarian pre-christian runes (yes, we had runic alphabet):
There was probably a cousin of the Orkhon runes (found in Turkic language inscriptions from Eastern Turkestan and Mongolia) that was known to the steppe ancestors of the Bulgars, aye. The Magyar runes may be related too.

Firstly, there are no accepted pre-Christian artefacts with Slavic Runes on them. Secondly, we absolutely and unquestionably know the history and development of Cyrillic and the proposed Slavic runes are clearly based on Cyrillic even to the most untrained eye. It is impossible that the proto-Slavs invented a nearly identical system in complete isolation.
This is the case. Obvious forgeries like the Book Of Veles are damned irritating in their continuing power to mislead the innocent. :mad:

Like Cyrillic, Latin script is also based on Greek through the intermediary of Etruscan.
The ancestry of our Runes via an Etruscan intermediary from Latin should be brought up too. :)

I love this topic.
Я тоже! :thumb001:

there are many other defunct scripts.
Glagolitic is still studied in some seminaries, I believe though, for dealing with older theological texts, so can't really be called totally 'defunct'.

Abur (used for the Old Permic language),
I love that one - horrendously impractical though. Still, good marks for effort, Stefan Permskiy! None of my modern Komi friends had heard of it though. :( I think I made a thread on it back on the Old Skadi...

[Angantyr]

Actually, though, I might have got things a bit confused here, but isn't this alphabet THE original Cyrillic? The one that Kyrill and Mefodiy made up?

As I heard somewhere, the modern 'Cyrillic' was invented under the auspices of a later Bulgarian Tsar - I forget which one - when the old glagolitic script for Slavonic was rejected in favour of the more Greek one in use today.


There was probably a cousin of the Orkhon runes (found in Turkic language inscriptions from Eastern Turkestan and Mongolia) that was known to the steppe ancestors of the Bulgars, aye. The Magyar runes may be related too.

This is the case. Obvious forgeries like the Book Of Veles are damned irritating in their continuing power to mislead the innocent. :mad:

The ancestry of our Runes via an Etruscan intermediary from Latin should be brought up too. :)

Я тоже! :thumb001:

Glagolitic is still studied in some seminaries, I believe though, for dealing with older theological texts, so can't really be called totally 'defunct'.

I love that one - horrendously impractical though. Still, good marks for effort, Stefan Permskiy! None of my modern Komi friends had heard of it though. :( I think I made a thread on it back on the Old Skadi...


I cannot get this damn thing to quote quotes properly.

Cyrillic is the orginal Slavic alphabet invented by Kirill and Mefodij. Glagolitic sprung up contemporaneously. Unlike Cyrillic, for which we know the history throughly, the development of Glagolitic is quite murky. It shares many characteristics with Cyrillic, but there are differences in the letter shapes.

As I already emphasized in my earlier post, Bulgarian runes are nothing but wishful thinking and romanticism. The obvious similarities to Cyrillic and the complete lack of archaeological support leave no other conclusion. As much as the letters resembles Cyrillic, they do not resemble Orkhon Runes.

There have been attempts to relate Hungarian Rovasiras to the Orkhon Turkic Runes. However, the geographical separation of the Magyars and the Orkhon script make this very unlikely. Moreover, there is little or no similarity in the shapes of the letters and the very particular ligatures in Rovasiras has no parallel in Orkhon. The only thing they do share in common is that some consonants have two forms, one of which was used with front vowels, the other with back vowels. The origin of Rovasiras remains a mystery.

I agree that Germanic Runes are also based on an Etruscan intermediary. There are obvious similarities between several Latin characters and Runic characters. Whereas, the same cannot be said for Ogham.

Glagolitic is studied in some seminaries. But, Sumerian cuneiform is also studied in universities. They are not in common use for any living language. By the same token, I use Germanic Runes for ceremonial purposes, but I have nobody to correspond with in that script...particularly in any ancient form of Germanic.

It is not fair to call the Abur alphabet impractical. It was based on Cyrillic in almost everything but letter shapes and names. I do not know any Komi or Udmurt (they were one language at the time the script was used), so I cannot comment on its currency.

http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/oldpermic.gif

[Osweo]

However, the geographical separation of the Magyars and the Orkhon script make this very unlikely.
Distance wise, yes, but Pannonia to the Gobi is one sort of terrain all the way, almost. It's almost always been a cultural unifier, that belt of Great Steppe there.

Moreover, there is little or no similarity in the shapes of the letters and the very particular ligatures in Rovasiras has no parallel in Orkhon. The only thing they do share in common is that some consonants have two forms, one of which was used with front vowels, the other with back vowels. The origin of Rovasiras remains a mystery.
Are we even that certain about the values of the Hungarian 'runes'? I've been able to find very little about it.

It is not fair to call the Abur alphabet impractical.
I've tried writing reasonably long texts in it, for fun, and the shape and complexity of the letters makes this quite a task. And it's difficult to get anything approaching cursive out of them too. That said, the world's most spoken tongue utilises the most fiendishly complex script known... :p

[Angantyr]

Distance wise, yes, but Pannonia to the Gobi is one sort of terrain all the way, almost. It's almost always been a cultural unifier, that belt of Great Steppe there.

Are we even that certain about the values of the Hungarian 'runes'? I've been able to find very little about it.

I've tried writing reasonably long texts in it, for fun, and the shape and complexity of the letters makes this quite a task. And it's difficult to get anything approaching cursive out of them too. That said, the world's most spoken tongue utilises the most fiendishly complex script known... :p

The Hungarians came from the western Urals (and not from the grassy steppes) to the Danubian basin in reaatively short order. Moreover, had they been in contact with Turkic peoples long enough to adopt the script, they would have also borrowed significant vocabulary, which is not the case. This fact, plus the lack of similarity in the scripts makes an Orkhon connection extremely unlikely.

We are absolutely certain of the values of the Hungarian Runes. It was generally known and in common use by Hungarians in Transylvania up to the 18th century. And it is still taught to children in Hungarian schools as a matter of cultural pride.

I once saw a computer font for Abur. If the shape of the letters is the only complexity, that would reduce it to the level of Cyrillic or Latin. I will look for it and send it to you.

The most complex script is generally accepted to be Japanese.

[Psychonaut]

The most complex script is generally accepted to be Japanese.

This would be true if the Japanese hadn't been simplifying their script with the addition of the katakana and hiragana syllabary scripts. I'd venture to say that the character set used by the Mandarin speakers on Taiwan is the most complex in use today. My complete long form (繁體字 fántǐzì) dictionary contains over 80,000 unique characters. Chinese orthography is stupifyingly complex.

[Tabiti]

"Being Pagans they read and divined with lines and cuts" - a medieval writer about pre-christian Bulgarians.

Who is talking about "Slavic runes"???
Some examples of signs found in Pliska (the old capital of Danubian Bulgaria, pre-christian (and pre-"slavic) time):
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--drugi-znatsi.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--dublirani-zna.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--E.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--paarva-runa-A.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--troyki.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--vaazmozhni-du.gif
"They were Pagans and read and divined with lines and cuts" - a medieval writer about pre-christian Bulgarians.

There are tables for Bulgarian, Hunnish, Turkic, Germanic and other rune scripts comparison, but I don't have them on my computer for the moment. Should search them online or scan...
Here this is an article, some could find interesting:
http://groznijat.tripod.com/pb_lang/pbl_2_5.html
I'm not saying all is 100% true, it's just an aproach.

P.S. Sorry about the offtopic! Thread is about European alphabets, not ancient ones!

[Osweo]

The Hungarians came from the western Urals (and not from the grassy steppes) to the Danubian basin in reaatively short order. Moreover, had they been in contact with Turkic peoples long enough to adopt the script, they would have also borrowed significant vocabulary, which is not the case.
I've always been under the impression that quite the reverse was the case. I have no data to offer, it's years since I read up on this, but I've heard it out of the mouths of Hungarians themselves, especially on linguistic Yahoo Groups. I was a member of the now defunct Honfoglolas for a while, and this was often discussed. I am no expert, but can usually distinguish crackpots from sane scholars.

The Magyars were intimately involved with the Turkic peoples ever since the latter first filled the post Sarmatian vacuum. The Magyars seemed to have adopted a 'Turkic' way of life, indeed, and got swept along the Steppe conveyerbelt just like all the Bulgars, Guzy, Kipchaks and everyone else there. One of the family, as it were.

The Khanty and Mansi live in the regions you seem to have in mind. They are the Magyars' closest linguistic kin, but are not identical to them. Traces of Magyar ethnonymy are found in the modern Tatarstan, Chuvash and Bashkir regions. Much of this area is simultaneously 'Ural' and Steppe. I've travelled through, and there's no real break all the way to Manchuria, much less to the Danube.

Linguists often mention the fully developed, yet neither IE (Scythian) nor Turkic derived, horsemanship vocabulary of the Ugrics. It would appear that they were among the first domesticators of the horse, and lived originally on the edge of the Steppe. Those still in Siberia were pushed northward into the Taiga, or assimilated to Turkic language and now form a great substrate in the present northern Turkic peoples. Older ethnographers mentioned that the Altai peoples (so far to the southeast!) show some traces of once having been Ugric speakers, indeed. The Samoyeds, their nearest cousins, also had a far more southerly distribution once upon a time.

Come to think of it...; The Ob Ugrics actually themselves have a great deal of Turkic influence in language and culture, so there was no obstruction to this from the steppe even though they did live further north than the immediate pre-nomadic Magyars.

We've discussed the Ugric aspect of the Hungarian heritage, but it's far from the only ingredient there. Much remained of Attila's horde there in Pannonia, for the Magyars to absorb. Avars, Bulgars, Kumans, all passed through. Hungarian runes may have such a pedigree, and thereby one that brings them a little closer to the Blue Turks of Ashina.
The differences in value might indicate that they were created by men who knew OF the Orkhon type, but didn't exactly KNOW the values and had to start from scratch.

Goths and Gepids and other leftover Germanics would also have been around to not make the Futhark a totally forgotten phenomen too,, perhaps.


We are absolutely certain of the values of the Hungarian Runes. It was generally known and in common use by Hungarians in Transylvania up to the 18th century. And it is still taught to children in Hungarian schools as a matter of cultural pride.
That's what worries me... Nations without a long written culture, or one that has been interrupted, are very liable to making this sort of thing up. It even occurs with a fully clean conscience, when enthusiasts believe they're onto something big, and the public is in such a mood to accept it.

I once saw a computer font for Abur. If the shape of the letters is the only complexity, that would reduce it to the level of Cyrillic or Latin. I will look for it and send it to you.
:thumbs up Благодарю!

"Being Pagans they read and divined with lines and cuts" - a medieval writer about pre-christian Bulgarians.
I can't comment without knowing who and when and where.

Who is talking about "Slavic runes"???
Some examples of signs found in Pliska (the old capital of Danubian Bulgaria, pre-christian (and pre-"slavic) time):\
Thracian, then?

http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--drugi-znatsi.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--dublirani-zna.gif
Symbols, individual pictorial 'signatures', and so on do not quite equal a written script, of course. There doesn't seem to be much order to pull out of the chaos here to justify a set of runes comparable to the Futhark or Orkhon inscriptions.

http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--E.gif
The A B V there is highly suspicious!

Here this is an article, some could find interesting:
http://groznijat.tripod.com/pb_lang/pbl_2_5.html
http://groznijat.tripod.com/pb_lang/P47.gif
Where is 'Imeon'? In Asia somewhere?
The problem is, as usual, that whenever a human is given a stick and something to draw on, you'll get similar symbols. There's only a finite mathematically determined amount of shapes you can create with a few lines and curves, after all.

I'm not saying all is 100% true, it's just an aproach.
Whatever, always interesting to look into this sort of thing.

P.S. Sorry about the offtopic! Thread is about European alphabets, not ancient ones!
Off topic is always much more fun! :thumb001:

[Angantyr]

This would be true if the Japanese hadn't been simplifying their script with the addition of the katakana and hiragana syllabary scripts. I'd venture to say that the character set used by the Mandarin speakers on Taiwan is the most complex in use today. My complete long form (繁體字 fántǐzì) dictionary contains over 80,000 unique characters. Chinese orthography is stupifyingly complex.

The syllabaries are not a simplification of the script. They are in addition to the Chinese characters for morphological purposes alone. Japanese has all the complexities of Chinese writing, and had added many of its own. Moreover, Japanese is written using the Chinese semantics of the characters, even where it conflicts with Japanese. It is almost like writing English using Latin words. Thus, for English "dog" we would spell it "canis" and pronounce it "dog". Moreover, because there are levels of borrowing from Japanese, Chinese characters have several versions, it would be like writing Latin "caninus" for the English "doglike" and for the English "canine" borrowed from Latin. We would have to know the difference from context alone. There is not question that Japanese is the most complex writing sysem in the world, bar none.

[Angantyr]

"Being Pagans they read and divined with lines and cuts" - a medieval writer about pre-christian Bulgarians.

Who is talking about "Slavic runes"???
Some examples of signs found in Pliska (the old capital of Danubian Bulgaria, pre-christian (and pre-"slavic) time):
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--drugi-znatsi.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--dublirani-zna.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--E.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--paarva-runa-A.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--troyki.gif
http://www.protobulgarians.com/Statii%20za%20prabaalgarite/Nadpisi/Nadpisi%20runni%20ot%20Makedoniya/Pliska--vaazmozhni-du.gif
"They were Pagans and read and divined with lines and cuts" - a medieval writer about pre-christian Bulgarians.

There are tables for Bulgarian, Hunnish, Turkic, Germanic and other rune scripts comparison, but I don't have them on my computer for the moment. Should search them online or scan...
Here this is an article, some could find interesting:
http://groznijat.tripod.com/pb_lang/pbl_2_5.html
I'm not saying all is 100% true, it's just an aproach.

P.S. Sorry about the offtopic! Thread is about European alphabets, not ancient ones!

Do you really want to be put to task? Okay, translate them for me. In particular, try the one with the repetition of the trident like character.

Notches and dashes and simple pictures are found all over the place even in primitive neolithic cultures. They are not writing systems and they are not runes. At best, they are mnemonics, but most likely decorative.

[Osweo]

Okay, translate them for me.
I don't think each picture is of an individual artefact, though. They're compilations, no?

Similar stuff is seen on the neolithic pottery in Serbia, for which all manner of tiresome kooky 'translations' are offered. :p:mad::rolleyes:

Here's a link on the 'Pliska' stuff (Ah, that's what you call it these days!!! I know it as PLESKOV! :P):
http://www.math.bas.bg/~keleved/dplisros/
http://www.math.bas.bg/~keleved/dplisros/FIG1.GIF
Inconclusive...

[Angantyr]

The Slavs have a lot to be proud of. And I am a Russophile of sorts whose future plans include marrying a Russian. But, the idea of these pre-christian slavic rune alphabets is absolute bovine fecal matter. It is sad that there are honest and trusting people who are mislead by this garbage which detracts from the truth and actually brings Slavic nationalism into disrepute.

[Comte Arnau]

In Iberia, the pre-Roman languages were:

> Non-Indo-European language groups:

- Iberians, in the East
- Aquitanians / Proto-Basques, in the North
- Tartessians (later Turdetanians), in the SW
- Phoenician, in colonies like Qart Hadast (modern Cartagena)

> Indo-European language groups:

- Celts
- Celticized IEs (Lusitanians)
- Greek, in colonies like Emporion (modern Empúries)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnographic_Iberia_200_BCE.PNG

The Paleohispanic scripts are the writing systems created in the Iberian peninsula before the Latin alphabet became the dominant script. Most of them are typologically very unusual in that they are semi-syllabic rather than purely alphabetic, despite having developed from the Phoenician alphabet.

Paleohispanic scripts are known to have been used from the 5th century BCE — possibly from the 7th century, in the opinion of some researchers, — until the end of the 1st century BCE or the beginning of the 1st century CE, and were the main means of written expression of the Paleohispanic languages. Some researchers conclude that their origin lies solely with the Phoenician alphabet, while others believe the Greek alphabet also had a role.

The Paleohispanic scripts are classified in three major groups, southern, northern, and Greco-Iberian, with differences both in the shapes of the glyphs and in their values.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Mapa_escriptures_paleohisp%C3%A0niques-ang.jpg

Here I'm posting only the North-Eastern Iberian script, also known as Levantine, which has two variants:

- the dual signary:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Un_signari_ib%C3%A8ric_nord-oriental_dual.jpg

- the non-dual one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Un_signari_ib%C3%A8ric_nord-oriental.jpg

Two samples:

- Lead plaque using the dual form:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Bronce_ibero.jpg

- Coin using the non-dual form: (You can read Benkota and Baskunes there)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Barscunes.jpg



More info on: Pre-Roman Languages/Writing Systems of Spain and Portugal (http://www.webpersonal.net/jrr/ib1_en.htm)

[Svarog]

Of course Slavs had pre-Christian runes, they're found all over Russia, also, Bulgarians were not even Slavs back then so I have no idea why would you compare Bulgarian and Ancient Slavic artifacts and pre-Cyrillic alphabets.

[Kadu]

- Tartessians (later Turdetanians), in the SW

About these fellows, Strabo wrote...


They call the country Baetica for the river, and also Turdetania after the inhabitants; yet they call the inhabitants both Turdetanians and Turdulians, some believing that they are the same people, others that they are different. Among the latter is Polybius, for he states that the Turdulians are neighbours of the Turdetanians on the north; but at the present time there is no distinction to be seen among them. The Turdetanians are ranked as the wisest of the Iberians; and they make use of an alphabet, and possess records of their ancient history, poems, and laws written in verse that are six thousand years old, as they assert. And also the other Iberians use an alphabet, though not letters of one and the same character, for their speech is not one and the same, either.

Source:http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/3A*.html

[Osweo]

Of course Slavs had pre-Christian runes, they're found all over Russia,
Isn't that complete and utter bollocks, though, Svarog?

All I've seen is that Velesova Kniga, which is a load of rubbish.

[Damião de Góis]

About these fellows, Strabo wrote...



Source:http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/3A*.html

My ancestors :P

[Svarog]

Isn't that complete and utter bollocks, though, Svarog?

All I've seen is that Velesova Kniga, which is a load of rubbish.

Velesova Knjiga is alright, may not have historical background but sure is interesting and good for firing up :p

There are three more Vedic books, i never read any of them

[Kadu]

My ancestors :P

Not really...
I think it says Celtici:D



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnographic_Iberia_200_BCE.PNG

[Damião de Góis]

Not really...
I think it says Celtici:D



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnographic_Iberia_200_BCE.PNG

My grandparents and parents are from the Tartessian area, then they moved to Setúbal and had me.

[Hrolf Kraki]

Like Cyrillic, Latin script is also based on Greek through the intermediary of Etruscan.

Really?? This is quite interesting as I thought Etruscan was a non-Indo-European language. :confused:


EDIT: I was able to find this on Wikipedia:


The Etruscan language was spoken and written by the Etruscan civilization in the ancient region of Etruria (modern Tuscany plus western Umbria and northern Latium) and in parts of Lombardy, Veneto, and Emilia-Romagna (where the Etruscans were displaced by Gauls), in Italy. However, Latin superseded Etruscan completely, leaving only a few documents and a few loanwords in Latin e.g., persona from Etruscan φersu, and some place-names, such as Roma.

[Osweo]

Really?? This is quite interesting as I thought Etruscan was a non-Indo-European language. :confused:

We're only talking about scripts, not languages, so there's no problem here. The Greek letters were an adaptation of the Phoenician (Semitic) script in the first place.

The Iberian semi-syllabary above is also a derivative of the Phoenician, via Carthage, as is the modern Berber script Tifinagh.

By the way, Etruscan has been claimed to be of a kind of wider group that itself included Proto-Indoeuropean. 'Indo-Tyrrhenian' they call it. I believe it makes a lot of sense. We share a similar way of making the genitive, for example, and the religious terminology has a lot of parallels...

[Aleksey]

Maybe someone has written it, but Bulgarian runes are not Slavic Bulgarian, there was a Turkic tribe - Bulgars, when Bulgars came to the present day Bulgaria they mixed up with the Slavic peoples and so Bulgarians are called Bulgarians...

Also the origin and the classification of Lusitanians is in dispute. Moreover Celtiberians are doubted to be classified correctly, written resources that are needed to the deeper analysis are non-existant, so I'd advise you to avoid such hasty classifications.

[Tabiti]

Maybe someone has written it, but Bulgarian runes are not Slavic Bulgarian, there was a Turkic tribe - Bulgars, when Bulgars came to the present day Bulgaria they mixed up with the Slavic peoples and so Bulgarians are called Bulgarians...

Also the origin and the classification of Lusitanians is in dispute. Moreover Celtiberians are doubted to be classified correctly, written resources that are needed to the deeper analysis are non-existant, so I'd advise you to avoid such hasty classifications.
Read what I've written. Carefully...

[Aleksey]

I'm a blind mole, impale me on a stick for my ignorance :(