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Loki
05-22-2012, 02:02 PM
... IMO Netherlands should be part of a larger Europe, not fiercely independent.

Here is why:

The Dutch are too small a nation to exert a global influence. However, they are sort of the nobility of Europe.

The mighty Frankish Empire was started off by essentially a clan of Dutchmen.

Now in the EU, Dutchmen have been given the opportunity again to rise to the very top. They are very Germanic without the German stigma. Dutch military commanders are very successful in NATO and the European Union military command structures.

The international criminal court is in the Hague.

The seat of the EU is in Brussels (pretty much Dutch).

Dutch people are well respected worldwide, have a reputation of fairness - well-deserved.

If the Dutch go alone again, all these wonderful opportunities will be lost. If Netherlands remains at the centre of European politics, military and affairs ... expect great things to happen.

Geminus
05-22-2012, 08:01 PM
They could of course join Germany ;)

Breedingvariety
05-22-2012, 08:11 PM
They could of course join Germany ;)
They would never do that unless you conquered them and brainwashed.

Talking more realistically, maybe in few generations you will be happy mongrel Netherlands isn't Germany.

The Lawspeaker
05-22-2012, 10:12 PM
Actually, Loki, we got all those unique institutions in regards to international law when the Netherlands were neutral (until 10 May 1940, 3:50 in the morning).. something you could have looked up for yourself. :)

"Dutchmen rise to the top in NATO and the EU". Sorry.. something that benefits 10 people and is a drag to the rest of the population isn't something that is benefiting us. As, for now, I have no reason why we shouldn't kick Europe under the arse and go back to the sensible pre-1940 policies.