Macedonian capital gets new king-sized statue

[poiuytrewq0987]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201205/n_21385_4.jpg
A crane lifts a 13-meter-high bronze Statue of Philip II of Macedonia. AFP photo

Macedonia has started building another king-sized statue of an ancient ruler of Greece in the heart of the capital, Skopje.

Once completed, the 13-meter (42-foot) bronze effigy of Philip II of Macedon will face an equestrian colossus of his son, Alexander the Great, a couple of hundred meters away. Philip will stand on a 16-meter (52-foot) plinth.

Left-wing opposition parties have criticized the twin project as a monumental waste of money that promotes nationalism.

But the conservative government argues that it is an important urban regeneration scheme.

The project is also expected to annoy many in neighboring Greece, which has a 21-year dispute with Macedonia and claims that the country's name implies claims on its own northern province of Macedonia. Macedonians consider Philip and Alexander as part of their heritage.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/macedonian-capital-gets-new-king-sized-statue.aspx?pageID=238&nID=21385&NewsCatID=354

[Geminus]

Greeks won't like it :D

[Γέλως]

Macedonia has started building another king-sized statue of an ancient ruler of Greece in the heart of the capital, Skopje.
:coffee:

Now you need to build one Aristotle's statue.

[poiuytrewq0987]

:coffee:

Now you need to build one Aristotle's statue.

All this Hellenization of Republic of Macedonia is good for the future enosis of Macedonia and Greece. :wink

[Crn Volk]

I like the timing of this too. Just after the latest NATO rejection, and when Greece is in economic and political turmoil. Keep 'em coming I say, and let the Macedonization continue :thumbs up

[Vasconcelos]

Wasn't he born in a city that happens to be in Greece today?

[Crn Volk]

Wasn't he born in a city that happens to be in Greece today?

Yes, he was born in Pella, the capital of the Kingdom of Macedon.

He was also the founder of Heraklea Lyncestis, near Bitola in today's Republic of Macedonia

http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/macedonia2006/aHeraclea12.JPG

[iNird]

I like the timing of this too. Just after the latest NATO rejection, and when Greece is in economic and political turmoil. Keep 'em coming I say, and let the Macedonization continue :thumbs up

"Macedonization", indeed.

More tax monies being wasted.

:coffee:

[Crn Volk]

"Macedonization", indeed.

More tax monies being wasted.

:coffee:

Tax money wasted on Operation Monstrum, but you don't want to mention that do you.

[iNird]

Tax money wasted on Operation Monstrum, but you don't want to mention that do you.

You mean arresting 20 and letting half of them go within a day? That sort of waste?

Hopefully taxpayer money is being used correctly in the investigation and the police are able to bring solid evidence for trial (if the trial is even underway.) I wish taxpayer money was being used to investigate the killing of the 2 Albanians by the off-duty police officer (I know I'm a dreamer!)

Anyways let the Macedonization continue. More Greek and Bulgarian statues. MOarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr we Macedonians are hungry for history not food!!!!!!!!!!

[Queen B]

:coffee:
Now you need to build one Aristotle's statue.
:rotfl:

Wasn't he born in a city that happens to be in Greece today?
He was born in a Ancient and Modern Greek city
Another statue of a Greek person in their country.
Lolz

[Crn Volk]

Some more pics;

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229281.jpg

http://gdb.rferl.org/4210F3ED-C100-4958-95AF-7644490EE4C5_w640_r1_s.jpg

http://cdn1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229285.jpg

[poiuytrewq0987]

Some more pics;


http://cdn1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229285.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/Carlos-Smith.jpg/220px-Carlos-Smith.jpg

:D

[poiuytrewq0987]

I like the timing of this too. Just after the latest NATO rejection, and when Greece is in economic and political turmoil. Keep 'em coming I say, and let the Macedonization continue :thumbs up

I agree, next step is to immediately withdraw all Macedonian soldiers currently deployed in Afghanistan. :thumbs up

[Crn Volk]

I agree, next step is to immediately withdraw all Macedonian soldiers currently deployed in Afghanistan. :thumbs up

We should reject NATO, but only if there is an alternative.

[poiuytrewq0987]

We should reject NATO, but only if there is an alternative.

Sure there is. The new Warsaw Pact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organisation). :coffee:

[Crn Volk]

Sure there is. The new Warsaw Pact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organisation). :coffee:

Macedonia and Serbia should seriously consider this. The Kosovo issue and our name issue are not likely to be solved in our favour and therefore a clear rejection of NATO would help. The presence of CSTO troops on our territory would deter any shiptar ideas on our territory.

[iNird]

I agree, next step is to immediately withdraw all Macedonian soldiers currently deployed in Afghanistan. :thumbs up

These soldiers are paid something like twice their salary when deployed abroad. I'm not sure if FYROM is financing the whole salary or western states assist in the finances tho.

This article claims employment in the Middle East has a positive effect on the economy though it doesn't provide specfics to the employment.


Macedonians employed in Afghanistan and Dubai are also contributing significantly to the total sum.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/money-from-the-diaspora-overshadow-macedonia-s-fdi

[Dimos]

:coffee:

Now you need to build one Aristotle's statue.

:D:D:Dthe best:D:D:D

[Rron]

Some more pics;

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229281.jpg
Was Philip II Tito's proletarian also ?:rotfl:

[Crn Volk]

Was Philip II Tito's proletarian also ?:rotfl:

No, Enver Hodxa's....:thumbs up

[El Gre]

I heard they are calling this statue 'Warrior'.
They should just call him by his real name .... Friend of Horse. Fil(friend) ippos(horse) in Greek of course.
So then you will have Warrior on a horse and Friend of Horse.

But of course its all a lie, Phillipos name was actually Drugi Kon (i guess thats how friend of horse translates in that Slav language they speak)

All hail Drugi Kon our great dedo!!

[Crn Volk]

I heard they are calling this statue 'Warrior'.
They should just call him by his real name .... Friend of Horse. Fil(friend) ippos(horse) in Greek of course.
So then you will have Warrior on a horse and Friend of Horse.

But of course its all a lie, Phillipos name was actually Drugi Kon (i guess thats how friend of horse translates in that Slav language they speak)

All hail Drugi Kon our great dedo!!

C'mon, your Macedonian sucks. It would be Kojnski Drugar.

Besides, it means 'fond of horses' or 'horse-loving'. Even your Greek needs improving :cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_(name)

[Crn Volk]

Here he is in Bitola too :thumb001:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6015/6198964320_55ec770706_z.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_Statue

[El Gre]

C'mon, your Macedonian sucks. It would be Kojnski Drugar.

Besides, it means 'fond of horses' or 'horse-loving'. Even your Greek needs improving :cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_(name)

φίλος m, φίλη f, φίλον n; first/second declension; (philos)
That which is loved or important: beloved, dear
(less commonly): loving, friendly

Im proud of you , start learning the language of the real Macedonians, one day you might be worthy of calling yourself one!

Kojnski Drugar LOL that was funny, thanks mate!!

Hey how do you say 'Protector of Man' Zashtita Chovek ????

[Crn Volk]

φίλος m, φίλη f, φίλον n; first/second declension; (philos)
That which is loved or important: beloved, dear
(less commonly): loving, friendly

Im proud of you , start learning the language of the real Macedonians, one day you might be worthy of calling yourself one!

Kojnski Drugar LOL that was funny, thanks mate!!

Hey how do you say 'Protector of Man' Zashtita Chovek ????

But the real Macedonians spoke a Thraco-Illyrian language before being Hellenized. Oh well, I guess we both need to re-discover this language :wink

BTW, your modern Macedonian is already improving....

[poiuytrewq0987]

But the real Macedonians spoke a Thraco-Illyrian language before being Hellenized. Oh well, I guess we both need to re-discover this language :wink

BTW, your modern Macedonian is already improving....

The Argead dynasty (Greek: Ἀργεάδαι) was an ancient Greek royal house. They were the ruling dynasty of Macedonia from about 700 to 310 BC. Their tradition, as described in ancient Greek historiography, traced their origins to Argos, in southern Greece (hence the name Argeads).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/KAranus.png/752px-KAranus.png

[Crn Volk]

The Argead dynasty (Greek: Ἀργεάδαι) was an ancient Greek royal house. They were the ruling dynasty of Macedonia from about 700 to 310 BC. Their tradition, as described in ancient Greek historiography, traced their origins to Argos, in southern Greece (hence the name Argeads).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/KAranus.png/752px-KAranus.png

Traditionally Macedonia was divided into Upper (mountainous) and Lower (plain) country. Through these regions, which were inhabited since the New Stone Age, a lot of ways of tribal migrations were going, and that is why its ethnic composition appeared very mixed: the researchers find there Greek, Illyrian and Thracian elements. Some consider Macedonians to be even of Pelasgian, non-Indo-European origin. Hellenes believed Macedonians a sort of semi-barbarians, i.e. the nation which did not manage to rise to the Greek level of culture, but were nevertheless closer to it than any other peoples around Greece.

Ancient Macedonian language

The language is very hard to define whether it belongs to Thraco-Illyrian or to Hellenic groups of Indo-European languages. Some linguists believe that tribes of mountainous Macedonia spoke an archaic language closer to Thracian or Illyrian, but people in towns and the upper classes, influenced by Greek achievements, gradually were losing their native tongue and took up Greek. Contacts with Greek Halkidiki and Thessalia regions were strengthening in the 5th and 4th centuries, and simultaneously the process of national assimilation went on. When Greece was conquered by Philip of Macedonia and occupied by his son Alexander the Great, Macedonians officially became real Hellenes.

http://indoeuro.bizland.com/tree/balk/macedonian.html

[Incal]

It's sad Alexander's body was never found again. It would be interesting to do some tests on his corpse and see how much in common he and these new 'macedonians' have really in common.

[Vojnik]

I like the statue, it looks really nice.

[Midori]

The whole city looks like Sutka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0uto_Orizari_Municipality) now with all these statues... :coffee:

[Peyrol]

Yes, he was born in Pella, the capital of the Kingdom of Macedon.

He was also the founder of Heraklea Lyncestis, near Bitola in today's Republic of Macedonia

http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/macedonia2006/aHeraclea12.JPG

...and, like all argheyas dynasty, was originary of Peloponnesus :lol:

[Vojnik]

The whole city looks like Sutka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0uto_Orizari_Municipality) now with all these statues... :coffee:

How do you figure?

[Illirico]

Some more pics;

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229281.jpg

http://gdb.rferl.org/4210F3ED-C100-4958-95AF-7644490EE4C5_w640_r1_s.jpg

http://cdn1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/1229285.jpg


Poor Alexander the Great. Fyromians, please, Let him rest in peace.

[Vojnik]

Poor Alexander the Great. Fyromians, please, Let him rest in peace.

I am sure Alexander would not have a problem with his people putting up statues of him and his father. :coffee:

[Midori]

How do you figure?

I live there, brah.

[Vojnik]

I live there, brah.

So the new statues and buildings make Skopje look like a Gypsy village??? If anything they will attract more tourists to the city which means money in the pockets of local businesses $$$. I don't see any harm in that.

[Midori]

So the new statues and buildings make Skopje look like a Gypsy village??? If anything they will attract more tourists to the city which means money in the pockets of local businesses $$$. I don't see any harm in that.

If you say so.. :coffee:

[Panopticon]

So the new statues and buildings make Skopje look like a Gypsy village??? If anything they will attract more tourists to the city which means money in the pockets of local businesses $$$. I don't see any harm in that.

I doubt people come to a country just to see some recently erected statues, erected statues that has little to do with the country to begin with. Perhaps they'll check them out for laughs.

[Vojnik]

I doubt people come to a country just to see some recently erected statues, erected statues that has little to do with the country to begin with. Perhaps they'll check them out for laughs.

For what ever reason it's a good reason, at least money is being made.

[Panopticon]

For what ever reason it's a good reason, at least money is being made.

If they were after making money they would have invested in more important things like infrastructure or the education system (which is in dire needs in Macedonia as Macedonia shows the lowest years spent in school in the Balkans). The erection of these statues is just so unnecessary.

It's just a part of the creation of the new Macedonian identity. As with every other Balkan state, they're not worth their salt if they don't have any continuity with some ancient Balkan people. And they're trying to force this new identity onto everyone and make it as apparent as possible.

[Queen B]

I am sure Alexander would not have a problem with his people putting up statues of him and his father. :coffee:
His people have already put statues of him, years ago.
But I also think that has no problem of foreigners worship him.
:cool:

I doubt people come to a country just to see some recently erected statues, erected statues that has little to do with the country to begin with. Perhaps they'll check them out for laughs.
Not only no tourist will come to see a statue of another country's hero, but the statues are also very kitch.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Macedonians i.e. Skopians, Monastirans, Prilepans, etc etc are Slavophone Greeks in denial. :coffee:

[lepa]

His people have already put statues of him, years ago.
But I also think that has no problem of foreigners worship him.


People from Macedonia are not less slavic than people from FYROM, just people from Macedonia speak greek languange IMO. :coffee:

[Linet]

But the real Macedonians spoke a Thraco-Illyrian language before being Hellenized. Oh well, I guess we both need to re-discover this language :wink

BTW, your modern Macedonian is already improving....

1. No no, they were talking English... everybody knows that.... Prove me wrong if you can.... :cool:
You have as many proofs as i have in your claiming that they spoke anything else than Greek, since all their names, signs, language, enscriptions and traditions were Greek :rolleyes: .

PS. Latio=Rome...was also hellenised in a way... Did you see them losing their language? Have you seen any nation lose its language to the point not even a word of this language to remain :rolleyes2: ? Come back to your senses please...

2. Heraclea Lungestis was built by Phillip in order to celebrate his victory against the Peonians and it was named like that in order to honor Heracles- Hercules... whom he believed to be his ancestor.
I think Hercules was Greek from Argos... wasnt he?
...But i suppose you know better than Phillip himself...:thumbs up

3. Macedonians are here and pure blooded and they never mixed with Slavs or others.

[Midori]

People from Macedonia are not less slavic than people from FYROM, just people from Macedonia speak greek languange IMO. :coffee:

I see a bit more Slavic influenced people in Skopje than I saw in Thessaloniki.

[Crn Volk]

Macedonians are here and pure blooded and they never mixed with Slavs or others.

That is a big claim to make. There is no pure nation anywhere. The closest maybe Iceland, and certainly not Greece.

[Turkophagos]

Skopje will be decorated accordingly then for when our army march there. :)

[Crn Volk]

Skopje will be decorated accordingly then for when our army march there. :)

Who will fight the Turks in Athens then if the Greek army is in Macedonia??

[Linet]

Who will fight the Turks in Athens then if the Greek army is in Macedonia??

Turks at least are proud for what they really are and they dont try to be men with somebody elses balls...

[Hess]

This is Great News; Phillip II was a great ruler and source of pride for the Macedonian people.