Is Beyonce more White or Black?

[Apina]

http://admin.newstalk.ie/wp-content/files/2012/05/Beyonce3.jpg
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/beyonceknowles/beyonce_knowles1_300_400.jpg
http://myplay.com/files/imagecache/photo_345_square/files/artist_images/beyonce.jpg
http://www.human-wigs.com/images/Beyonce_Knowles_Custom_Full_Lace_Wigs_humc225s.jpg
http://www.hji.co.uk/blogs/main/Beyonce-Knowles-half-up-hai.jpg
http://scoophunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/beyonce-red-swim-suit-500.jpg

[Lithium]

She is more Black, she looks more white because of cosmetics and skin bleaching. You can see that before a few years she was way more dark.

[Mordid]

Is Beyonce white?
No. Not according to what is in front of our faces.

[Mraz]

She is black, make up and lightning can't make her white.

[Sikeliot]

Probably about 65% African and about 35% European.

I'd bet her dad is around 85% black and her mom about 30%.

[ThatGirl]

More black why would that question even need to be asked it is kinda obvious.

[Corvus]

I cannot recognise anything else than black. She is not even mixed or am I wrong.
She smoothes her hair to make her appear more white, but that`s very popular among Afro-Americans.

[Balmung]

I don't know, she seems like an evolved mutant to me. Noone else skin color can change so much!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/246601_10150621382155601_28940545600_18893312_2046 369_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/314682_10150943381195601_28940545600_21857947_6083 01102_n.jpg

Witchcraft! burn her!

[Contra Mundum]

Her mother could almost pass for white, and who knows how much European ancestry her father may have. I wouldn't be surprised if it added up to around 50-50. I'm thinking 55 or 60% black at most.

[dralos]

nigga should join my group
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/group.php?groupid=336

[Contra Mundum]

Even when someone is half black, their black features will be dominant in most cases, but not always of course.

[Sikeliot]

What's clear is her mom is mostly European and her father mostly African.. her mom in some pictures barely even looks more than quadroon.

[Anthropologique]

Probably 75% black. When she was younger she looked like any standard U.S. negroid with some white admixture. It's incredible what stage lighting, hair straightening and skin lightening products can do for black folk.:eek:

[Apina]

Her mother could almost pass for white, and who knows how much European ancestry her father may have. I wouldn't be surprised if it added up to around 50-50. I'm thinking 55 or 60% black at most.
I agree. I don't think she looks 'obviously' more black. I would guess that she is from 50-60%.

[GeistFaust]

She looks more Black to me, and I would say she is somewhere between a Mulatto and Griffe, but slightly closer to Mulatto, so that would make her probably 60% SSA and 40% European.

Its tough to say exactly, but if I were to rearrange the percentage I would increase it to 65% SSA, and she is clearly not a Griffe.

Her phenotype is also more Sudanid, but there are some additional Atlantid/North Atlantid influences involved.

[Anthropologique]

Even when someone is half black, their black features will be dominant in most cases, but not always of course.

Her black features are dominant, IMO.

[Sikeliot]

Her mom looks triracial Puerto Rican/Dominican/Creole type look. Not a "black" woman or even half.

http://greenobles.com/data_images/tina-knowles/tina-knowles-01.jpg

[Anthropologique]

Her mom looks triracial Puerto Rican/Dominican/Creole type look. Not a "black" woman or even half.

http://greenobles.com/data_images/tina-knowles/tina-knowles-01.jpg

She's probably 25% black.

[GeistFaust]

She is still technically "black" for me just a more Europeanized version, and she could be somewhere in the Quadroon range.

She definitely looks predominantly European, and there might be some Amerindian, but I would not say its more than 5-10%.

Also do you have a picture of her father to show us, because that might aid in determining Beyonce's percentages more approximately?

[Sikeliot]

She's probably 25% black.

I'd think 30-35%.

Which, if I guess that Beyonce's dad is around 85-90%, makes Beyonce about 60-65% black.

[Sikeliot]

http://tweetmysong.com/Image/beyonceDadMom.jpg

[Contra Mundum]

Her mom looks triracial Puerto Rican/Dominican/Creole type look. Not a "black" woman or even half.

http://greenobles.com/data_images/tina-knowles/tina-knowles-01.jpg

She looks like she has some Amerindian as well as Caucasian in her background. She's from Louisiana I believe and her maiden name is Beyonce..lol. I guess she thought it would be a cool sounding first name for her daughter.

[Sikeliot]

Her mother looks kind of Puerto Rican.

[2Cool]

She is still technically "black" for me just a more Europeanized version, and she could be somewhere in the Octoroon/Quadroon range.

She definitely looks predominantly European, and there might be some Amerindian, but I would not say its more than 5-10%.

Also do you have a picture of her father to show us, because that might aid in determining Beyonce's percentages more approximately?

http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tina-knowles-beyonce-mathew-knowles.jpg

Her sister
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/startracks/080114/beyonce_knowles300.jpg

http://greenobles.com/data_images/solange-knowles/solange-knowles-04.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Her sister just looks more like their dad than their mom, while Beyonce looks more like their mom.

[Contra Mundum]

http://tweetmysong.com/Image/beyonceDadMom.jpg

Her father could be 90% plus SSA judging by that pic. If her mother is 25% black, that would mean Beyonce is at most 60% black.

[GeistFaust]

http://tweetmysong.com/Image/beyonceDadMom.jpg



Her mom definitely shows up her SSA side more clearly here, and I would say she is a Quadroon, and probably slightly over there, almost inclining in the direction of mulatto. This is the probably with some Quadroons, and that is there is a wide range of expression, with some looking like darker Mulattoes, and others looking Octoroon like.

I would agree she looks quite Puerto Rican, and looks similar to a French Creole woman I know as well. Her father is probably an average Afram with 88% SSA, and it could be slightly more than that.

Her sister looks more Mulatto like, but probably slightly above it, although Beyonce clearly looks to be somewhere between Mulatto and Griffe in these pictures. I would say her mom is about 30%, and her dad is nearly 90% SSA, so that makes her about 60% SSA, although her mom could have more.

[Sikeliot]

It'd surprise me if her mom was more than 35% SSA, judging by the 23andme results of Dominicans, Cape Verdeans, and Puerto Ricans I have seen whom, IMO, look blacker than her. Her mom, being Creole, is closer to these groups than to mainstream Anglo-Afro mulattoes.

[2Cool]

What would you guys say about Amber Rose? She's Cape-Verdean/Italian mix I think:

http://i.imgur.com/ROT7e.jpg

[Contra Mundum]

To those unfamiliar with mixed black and white people, looks can be deceiving. A half and half mix will look mostly black. The African side will look more dominant in most cases.

[KidMulat]

Her father is related to the Arceneaux's of Houston; don't let the coloring fool :coffee:

Depending on who you talk to her father would be neg or grif; but more than likely he is simply the darker one of his family and or his parent(s) are darker that the rest of their families.

She would be a mulat in Lousiana however Beyonce would range from in haiti Grimelle to Mulat in using phenotypical terminology. I am guessing 30 to 45% NW European

[Sikeliot]

What would you guys say about Amber Rose? She's Cape-Verdean/Italian mix I think:

http://i.imgur.com/ROT7e.jpg

Less than quadroon for sure. Her mother doesn't even look half black.

Not sure how the Italian thing came up for her but I thought she was half Portuguese, half CV. "Rose" is not an Italian surname, but many Portuguese have it in the US.

[Anthropologique]

http://tweetmysong.com/Image/beyonceDadMom.jpg

The father is likely full negroid and the mother looks like a mulatta.

[Sikeliot]

The father is likely full negroid and the mother looks like a mulatta.

I think her mom is less African than mulatta.

[GeistFaust]

Her father is related to the Arceneaux's of Houston; don't let the coloring fool :coffee:

Depending on who you talk to her father would be neg or grif; but more than likely he is simply the darker one of his family and or his parent(s) are darker that the rest of their families.

She would be a mulat in Lousiana however Beyonce would range from in haiti Grimelle to Mulat in using phenotypical terminology. I am guessing 30 to 45% NW European


I don't think her father looks like a Griffe, but I would say more of an average African-American, with maybe slightly more SSA.

That said you could be right about him having 80-85% SSA, because sometimes it might not show up as much, even in this range.

He does clearly show some Europoid tendencies, but they would not be recognizable to the average individual not interested in anthropology.

[KidMulat]

Also she didn't get a nose job in the traditional sense; she recieved non-surgical rhinoplasty basically injecting a sliver of silicone on her bridge and tip, she did not reduce it she merely added to it to make her nose point but only minorly.

In Destiny's Child they made her blacker; tanned, curly hairstyles and such. But as she got her solo career she did lighten but not bleached. Most likely she used a ALA peel but it can only do so much as it stripes only the upper most layers you can only barely go below the tone of your sunless tone.

Also she has coily hair 4a at the loosest, it does not curl in that sterotypical "mocha baby" 50/50 way and I suspect from looking at her hairline and back that after all the weaves, relaxers, and lacefronts she is near bald.

[Contra Mundum]

I can see the African mix.

http://chaarg.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/beyonce-booty.jpg

She's nice looking with all the makeup and hairdo.

She sure married an ugly dude though.
http://www.sohh.com/img/jay-z-2008-07-02-300x300.jpg

[Contra Mundum]

I don't think her father looks like a Griffe, but I would say more of an average African-American, with maybe slightly more SSA.

That said you could be right about him having 80-85% SSA, because sometimes it might not show up as much, even in this range.

He does clearly show some Europoid tendencies, but they would not be recognizable to the average individual not interested in anthropology.

That's true. To the untrained eye, he is 100% black because they're only looking at his color.

[Sikeliot]

That's true. To the untrained eye, he is 100% black because they're only looking at his color.

There actually are West Africans who look like him (Igbo, Fulani, and a few others).

[Anthropologique]

I can see the African mix.

http://chaarg.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/beyonce-booty.jpg

She's nice looking with all the makeup and hairdo.

She sure married an ugly dude though.
http://www.sohh.com/img/jay-z-2008-07-02-300x300.jpg

Especially with that huge butt.

[ThatGirl]

Less than quadroon for sure. Her mother doesn't even look half black.

Not sure how the Italian thing came up for her but I thought she was half Portuguese, half CV. "Rose" is not an Italian surname, but many Portuguese have it in the US.


Her real name is( Amber Levonchuck) I have never heard that surname before. and her father is Italian/Irish mother CV i think

[Sikeliot]

Then Rose might be her mother's last name that she now uses. It'd make more sense, since that name exists amongst Portuguese and Cape Verdean Americans.

[Contra Mundum]

oops, nevermind

[Sikeliot]

Beyonce's mother name was Célestine Ann Beyincé.

She's talking about Amber Rose.

[KidMulat]

There actually are West Africans who look like him (Igbo, Fulani, and a few others).

Most slaves that went to Lousiana come from 4 main ethnic groups in this order; Wolof, Senegals, Bambara, and near the end of French rule an upswelling of Kongos (The Catholic Church did not want muslim slaves anymore and the Portugese and Portughese Creoles control of Angola had finally taken hold after the death of Queen Nzinga).

[Contra Mundum]

Beyonce's mother is a direct descendant of this man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Broussard

[Apina]

Beyonce's mother is a direct descendant of this man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Broussard
It would not surprise me. A similar thing happens with French Canadians:

By the way, the writer of this newsletter is also descended from both Zacharie Cloutier and Jean Guyon, sieur du (Lord of) Buisson. In fact, almost everyone with French-Canadian ancestry can find these two men in their family trees as well. If you can find these two men in your family tree
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/04/madonna_celine_.html

An article about how Céline Dion, Hillary Clinton, Madonna and Camilla Parker Bowles are all related :)

[KidMulat]

Beyonce's mother is a direct descendant of this man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Broussard

To further one of my statements when I first went on this board; Not all Cajuns are white (Not saying you said that but some anthroforums have real misinformed Francophones and Gallophiles).

[Contra Mundum]

To further one of my statements when I first went on this board; Not all Cajuns are white (Not saying you said that but some anthroforums have real misinformed Francophones and Gallophiles).

The original Acadians were white. Of course some people in Louisiana are mixed race, we all know that.

[Apina]

Also she didn't get a nose job in the traditional sense; she recieved non-surgical rhinoplasty basically injecting a sliver of silicone on her bridge and tip, she did not reduce it she merely added to it to make her nose point but only minorly.

In Destiny's Child they made her blacker; tanned, curly hairstyles and such. But as she got her solo career she did lighten but not bleached. Most likely she used a ALA peel but it can only do so much as it stripes only the upper most layers you can only barely go below the tone of your sunless tone.

Also she has coily hair 4a at the loosest, it does not curl in that sterotypical "mocha baby" 50/50 way and I suspect from looking at her hairline and back that after all the weaves, relaxers, and lacefronts she is near bald.
Even in Destiny's Child she looked obviously mixed. I remember the first time I saw her (probably about 11-12 years ago now :eek:), I thought she was mixed - looked very white for a 'Afram'. Compared to the other Afram girls, Kelly Rowland and Michelle, she always looked much lighter.

[Sikeliot]

I've never thought Beyonce looked "just black". I can't think of any Sub-Saharan African countries in which she could look perfectly native, and Cape Verde does not count.

[KidMulat]

The original Acadians were white. Of course some people in Louisiana are mixed race, we all know that.

Cajuns aren't merely Acadians in the swamps; that's a cultural myth just as the myth most Mexican American'shave in the U.S. "We come from the Spanish and Aztec."

The Cajuns do in large part come from Acadians but if you look at surnames and records you can clearly see from the beginning that they began intermarriage with Creoles, Swiss Germans, Islenos, Creoles of Color, Choctaw, the various refugee tribes that became the Houma, and Tunica-Biloxi.

I would say depending on the region to percentage of Acadian ancestors in modern day Cajuns are near zero to 96 out of 128 for the oldest surving people now.

It was the isolation of the most rural places that kept any relic of Acadian Culture alive because most of what most people call "Cajun Culture" is merely rural Fracophone Louisianan culture that crosses many ethnic groups with the cultural markers of those aforemention ethnic groups that dd not blend with the Creole cultures on a large scale.

[KidMulat]

Even in Destiny's Child she looked obviously mixed. I remember the first time I saw her (probably about 11-12 years ago now :eek:), I thought she was mixed - looked very white for a 'Afram'. Compared to the other Afram girls, Kelly Rowland and Michelle, she always looked much lighter.

She was portrayed in a very hip-hop/urban way come second album; at first they made her more palletable to a wider market but by second album that had changed.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I think that Beyonce is naturally very pale, almost white, and that actually, the stylists like to tan her sometimes, probably with fake tan.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OrEKUIKobpI/Ts-xDOILW1I/AAAAAAAACAI/fVI-GsppwpA/s400/Beyonce+Without+Makeup+%25282%2529.jpg

This would suggest that she is more than 50% white in terms of ancestry, judging by skin pigmentation.

She looks lighter than President Obama, for example.

[hipaware]

Her pops is definitley Euro influenced. I've never seen a typical West African with a lower mouth like his. I'd say he's about 80-90% SSA, 20-10% European. Basically average AA range.

http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/matthew-knowles.jpeg

Her mother's def not a quadroon. She looks inbetween Mullato and Quad. 40-30% SSA.
http://glamazonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/beyonce-tina-knowles-what-to-get-you-mother-for-christmas-2011-Glamazons-Blog.jpg

So that makes Beyonce. 60-65% SSA and 40-35% European based on phenotype. She looks like an average lighter skinned AA woman.

http://tweetmysong.com/Image/beyonceDadMom.jpg

[hipaware]

I think that Beyonce is naturally very pale, almost white, and that actually, the stylists like to tan her sometimes, probably with fake tan.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OrEKUIKobpI/Ts-xDOILW1I/AAAAAAAACAI/fVI-GsppwpA/s400/Beyonce+Without+Makeup+%25282%2529.jpg

This would suggest that she is more than 50% white in terms of ancestry, judging by skin pigmentation.

She looks lighter than President Obama, for example.

It doesn't work that way. Especially with MGM mixes one family member would be dark skinned, while the other would be pale with blond hair and blue eyes.

Both of my aunts on my Grandfathers side were pale skinned and were pred SSA genetically.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227999_209353079085186_100000314874961_688916_7535 064_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/231148_209352112418616_3046164_n.jpg

[Sikeliot]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/231148_209352112418616_3046164_n.jpg

I find it difficult to believe she's even over 40% SSA.

[GeistFaust]

I could see her as a lighter Griffe type, because sometimes the appearances lie when it comes to people who have some level of mixing in bi-racial and tri-racial types.

[hipaware]

I find it difficult to believe she's even over 40% SSA.

She's a MGM Afram with a higher percentage % of European ancestry than an average AA. Around 35% or more European, there's a better chance of having lighter skin like that, than in lower percentages. Especially when the Euro side comes from Northern Europe, which depgments skin coloration compared to a Southern Euro mix.

[Sikeliot]

She's a MGM Afram with a higher percentage % of European ancestry than an average AA. Around 35% or more European, there's a better chance of having lighter skin like that, than in lower percentages.

It's her features that don't look overly Sub-Saharan to me.

[ficuscarica]

I used to think that she is just black, just a light-pigmented one. Therefore she is definitely more black than white imo.

[hipaware]

It's her features that don't look overly Sub-Saharan to me.

She might be 50/50. Here's another photo of her on the right.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227232_1676602281790_1439482253_31333855_8143342_n .jpg

[Ausência Forçada]

The pseudo black beauties have usually european blood in them... Beyonce is no exception...

[Contra Mundum]

Cajuns aren't merely Acadians in the swamps; that's a cultural myth just as the myth most Mexican American'shave in the U.S. "We come from the Spanish and Aztec."

The Cajuns do in large part come from Acadians but if you look at surnames and records you can clearly see from the beginning that they began intermarriage with Creoles, Swiss Germans, Islenos, Creoles of Color, Choctaw, the various refugee tribes that became the Houma, and Tunica-Biloxi.

I would say depending on the region to percentage of Acadian ancestors in modern day Cajuns are near zero to 96 out of 128 for the oldest surving people now.

It was the isolation of the most rural places that kept any relic of Acadian Culture alive because most of what most people call "Cajun Culture" is merely rural Fracophone Louisianan culture that crosses many ethnic groups with the cultural markers of those aforemention ethnic groups that dd not blend with the Creole cultures on a large scale.

Without Acadians, there are no Cajuns.

[Hilda]

She is a beautiful Black woman with some White heritage.
She has Spanish or French heritage a bit.

[Rouxinol]

60 black/40 white.

[KidMulat]

Without Acadians, there are no Cajuns.

Correct; but you'd have a culture that was a little less francophone and more varied from community to community but with the same cultural markers of what we percieve as cajun today.

The Acadians solidified the Lowland's as French; but only because of their numbers. Had they not come and any other francophone community come in, it wouldn't make a marked difference

[Gustavsson]

Definitely she looks African Negroid.
But she has visible Caucasoid influences.
Her father, Matthew Knowles is fully Negroid American.
Her mother, Tina Knowles is a mixture of African, French and Irish.
Her mother is a descendent of the Acadian leader Joseph Broussard.
Acandians are the French people who battled with Brits during the American colony wars.

[Cristiano viejo]

Is a joke?
Beyonce is ONLY black, final point.

[observo]

That makes 58% black 42% white, yes I agree

[tngz]

I think she look 1/4 black, 3/4 mediterennean. Look at she

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/69517-beyonce-gender-equality-myth-beyonce-knowles-carter-essay/1389638094_beyonce-lg.jpg

And look at Kim

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Kim_Kardashian_2011.jpg

They are nearly close i think.

[Balmung]

Who cares about what she is, dat ass.

[Aodhan]

only black metal

[DarknessInside]

Black. Remove bleaching and makeups, then see the result. LOL..