DNATribes Results vs Eurogenes and Dodecad..

[evon]

A copy of the mail ive sent to Lucas, hoping he will reply and answer some of the discrepancy ive noted in my mail..


Hi,

First off i want to thank you for making this offer available to Eurogenes project members, we always enjoy new perspectives on our DNA results.

There are a few things i want to ask you about with regards to the Results i have seen so far, not just my own, but also other peoples as they are debated on various online forums.

With regards to my own results, i have noted that NO9 (my paternal aunt) has no Iberian admixture %, which seems like an error, because in most other admixture results (eurogenes, dodecad, ect), she is the one with highest West European/Mediterranean % among my family members, while i as her nephew get a little less then her, while in your results NO1 (me), get over 10% Iberian, do you have an explanation for this?

here are our Eurogenes K12, Dodecad K12b, and DNA Tribes results versus mine to compare:

NO1:

DNATribes:

NW European: 72,38%
Baltic-Urals: 16,69%
Iberian: 10,84%
Indus Valley: 0,09%

Eurogenes K12:

South Asian 0.31%
Caucasus 1.53%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.06%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 7.42%
East Asian 0.36%
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.93%
South Baltic 14.06%
Western European 27.97%
North Sea 37.37%

Dodecad K12b:

Gedrosia 9.14%
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04%
Atlantic_Med 38.44%
North_European 51.37%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan -


NO9:

DNATribe:

NW European: 83,87%
Baltic-Urals 12,40%
Artic: 2,12%
Indus Valley: 1,25%
Southern Africa: 0,36%

Eurogenes K12:

South Asian -
Caucasus 3.21%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.38%
Siberian 0.62%
Mediterranean 8.51%
East Asian -
West African 0.14%
Volga-Ural 7.26%
South Baltic 14.02%
Western European 28.36%
North Sea 37.50%

Dodecad K12b:

Gedrosia 7.92%
Siberian 1.05%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.09%
North_European 49.62%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.19%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 4.11%
Sub_Saharan -




Another issue is that NO4 (my maternal uncle) gets Manchurian admixture %, while i get none, which is strange since i usually get around the same Far Asian % as him, see Dodecad K12b and eurogenes K12 admixture % compared to our DNATribes admixture results:

NO1:

Dodecad K12b:

Gedrosia 9.14%
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04%
Atlantic_Med 38.44%
North_European 51.37%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan -

Eurogenes K12:

South Asian 0.31%
Caucasus 1.53%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic 0.06%
Siberian -
Mediterranean 7.42%
East Asian 0.36%
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.93%
South Baltic 14.06%
Western European 27.97%
North Sea 37.37%

DNATribes:

NW European: 72,38%
Baltic-Urals: 16,69%
Iberian: 10,84%
Indus Valley: 0,09%

NO4:

Dodecad K12b:


Gedrosia 9.08%
Siberian 0.12%
Northwest_African 0.24%
Southeast_Asian 1.18%
Atlantic_Med 37.45%
North_European 48.84%
South_Asian -
East_African 0.11%
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 2.99%
Sub_Saharan -

Eurogenes K12:

South Asian 0.48%
Caucasus 3.39%
Southwest Asian -
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 9.22%
East Asian 0.99%
West African -
Volga-Ural 9.15%
South Baltic 12.94%
Western European 26.18%
North Sea 37.65%

DNATribes:

NW European: 95,85%
Manchurian: 2,41%
Indus Valley: 1,25%
Central African: 0,47%

Lastly i found NO99's (My maternal grandmother) African score very strange indeed, i dont think i have ever seen her score that much African in any admixture results (meaning above noise level), but i have seen her score higher "Mid eastern" in some results, again comparing Eurogenes, Dodecad and DNATribes:

NO99:

Eurogenes K12:

South Asian 0.88%
Caucasus 3.72%
Southwest Asian 0.12%
North Amerindian + Arctic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 8.41%
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.69%
South Baltic 15.07%
Western European 25.98%
North Sea 35.13%

Dodecad K12b:

Gedrosia 9.98%
Siberian 0.25%
Northwest_African 0.22%
Southeast_Asian 0.17%
Atlantic_Med 35.55%
North_European 49.70%
South_Asian 0.07%
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.67%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 3.40%
Sub_Saharan -

DNATribes:

NW European: 83,21%
Baltic-Urals: 8,90%
Indus Valley: 6,40%
African great Lakes: 1,04%
North African: 0,28%
Central African: 0,18%

Hope you can elaborate on this whenever you find the time, regards

NO1

i will post his reply when i get it...

[Pallantides]

According to DNAtribes World analysis I'm 1.02% Arctic and 0.75% Mesoamerican(combined 1.77%), no East Asian or Siberian at all. While on Eurogenes K13(gedmatch) I'm 1.35% North Eurasian, 0.92% East Siberian and 0.85% East Asian(combined 3.12%), zero Amerindian.

[evon]

According to DNAtribes World analysis I'm 1.02% Arctic and 0.75% Mesoamerican(combined 1.77%), no East Asian or Siberian at all. While on Eurogenes K13(gedmatch) I'm 1.35% North Eurasian, 0.92% East Siberian and 0.85% East Asian(combined 3.12%), zero Amerindian.

I have still not got an answer :(

The problem with North Eurasian components is that they are very hard to separate between Europe and Asia, i think Arctic and Siberian at DNA tribes is two flawed components that should have been kept as Eurasian instead...if i get a reply from Lucas i can ask about this problem too...

[Pallantides]

Then my Siberian/North Eurasian could have been soaked up in Baltic-Urals.

According to their averages Finns are supposed to be 100% Baltic-Ural(no Siberian)

[Dacul]

According to DNAtribes World analysis I'm 1.02% Arctic and 0.75% Mesoamerican(combined 1.77%), no East Asian or Siberian at all. While on Eurogenes K13(gedmatch) I'm 1.35% North Eurasian, 0.92% East Siberian and 0.85% East Asian(combined 3.12%), zero Amerindian.

You got imba ancestry even if very few.

[evon]

You got imba ancestry even if very few.

what does Imba mean?

[Pallantides]

what does Imba mean?

Imbalanced... I have no idea what he means by it though.

[evon]

boring corporate reply :(


Good evening,


Thank you for contacting us regarding your SNP analysis. DNA Tribes® SNP analysis is performed based on proprietary statistical algorithms not available elsewhere. For this reason, DNA Tribes® SNP results can differ from other admixture analyses using similar reference samples.


More information about the regional components of European populations based on or current database is available at http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp-admixture-2012-03-12.pdf



As new data are incorporated in our analysis (including new Eurogenes samples), it might become possible to clarify your results further.


Best regards,
Lucas Martin
DNA Tribes

dont know if i will pursuit this further..

[Pallantides]

There is some consistency in the results though, at least for me.


DNAtribes:

67.39% Northwest-European
30.75% Baltic-Urals
1.08% Arctic
0.71% Mesoamerican
0.07% Oceanian


From Doug:

Most likely fit is 70.6% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 29.4% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

[evon]

There is some consistency in the results though, at least for me.


DNAtribes:

67.39% Northwest-European
30.75% Baltic-Urals
1.08% Arctic
0.71% Mesoamerican
0.07% Oceanian


From Doug:

Most likely fit is 70.6% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 29.4% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

They use the same samples in all likelihood, but i think DNATribes use less SNP's then both McDonald and the other projects, i think Eurogenes and dodecad use most SNP's thus are likely more correct...

[Anthropologique]

I don't think DNA Tribe's testing is reliable. Some of their measures don't make sense, compared to Eurogenes, etc.