Uralic Race

[aherne]

Since I've already dedicated a thread to Aryan race receiving a lot of interesting feedback, let us continue with yet another venerable race from Eastern Europe that appears predictably in people speaking Uralic languages (proving once again that language and race are deeply interrelated).

Comb Ceramic people, the first obvious Uralics, were contemporary to and neighboring Aryans to the North. Their features, however, could not be more different:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Liquid_Len/karavaicha1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Liquid_Len/karavaicha2.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/aiwn/uralics.jpg

[Zorg]

They look extremely indigenous, I've noticed many Russians have this look . It's an Asiatic sort of a look also.

[Sisak]

Is she uralic race? And if she is uralic do you think she is european race or asiatic?
She is croatian model Valerija Sestic.

http://i42.tinypic.com/zxuujs.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2h34w8w.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2rnbvwh.jpg

[Smeagol]

Is she uralic race? And if she is uralic do you think she is european race or asiatic?
She is croatian model Valerija Sestic.

http://i42.tinypic.com/zxuujs.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2h34w8w.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2rnbvwh.jpg

She's East Baltid, and yes Uralics are European.

[Peikko]

She's East Baltid, and yes Uralics are European.

She's not East Baltic, are you crazy??

[Smeagol]

She's not East Baltic, are you crazy??

Yes she is.

[Peikko]

Yes she is.
No she isn't. That's not her natural hair color, she more likely Pontid. Besides, she can't pass as native in the region where the actual E.Baltics live. Read Coon, did he find E.Baltics from Croatia?

[Smeagol]

No she isn't. That's not her natural hair color, she more likely Pontid.

Maybe Pontid, with some East Baltic admixture, she doesn't look completely Pontid.


Besides, she can't pass as native in the region where the actual E.Baltics live. Read Coon, did he find E.Baltics from Croatia?

Coon said there were slight East Baltic influences in the south slavic countries.

[Anglojew]

Any idea of their Haplogroups?

[ButlerKing]

Since I've already dedicated a thread to Aryan race receiving a lot of interesting feedback, let us continue with yet another venerable race from Eastern Europe that appears predictably in people speaking Uralic languages (proving once again that language and race are deeply interrelated).

Comb Ceramic people, the first obvious Uralics, were contemporary to and neighboring Aryans to the North. Their features, however, could not be more different:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Liquid_Len/karavaicha1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Liquid_Len/karavaicha2.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff277/aiwn/uralics.jpg

I had posted those pictures a long time. This is what western Uralics look like they have some Mongoloid DNA.

However Russians claim this what original Uralic look like.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2w40mm9.jpg

[Smeagol]

I had posted those pictures a long time. This is what western Uralics look like they have some Mongoloid DNA.

Western Uralics are mainly Caucasoid. The ones in the pictures look mainly like Upper Palaeolitic Caucasoids.

[ButlerKing]

Western Uralics are mainly Caucasoid.

True but the Komi, Udmurt, Pomor all have 16 - 36% Mongoloid admixture.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x251/zemelmete/Genetika/evi-volga-1.png

Finns are almost pure Caucasoid if it weren't for their 6.25% Mongoloid DNA and occasionally 12.5%

[Smeagol]

True but the Komi, Udmurt, Pomor all have 16 - 36% Mongoloid admixture.

Pomor are ethnic Russians, I think they probably have less Mongoloid blood then the Komi, and Udmurt. What's the average for the Komi, and Udmurt though?

[Peikko]

Coon said there were slight East Baltic influences in the south slavic countries.
You're just inventing stuff up because there isn't any mention of this at Coon.

[ButlerKing]

Pomor are ethnic Russians, I think they probably have less Mongoloid blood then the Komi, and Udmurt. What's the average for the Komi, and Udmurt though?

Komi

Saymoyedic 16.4%
North Siberian 3%
East Siberian 1.5%

= 20.9%


Udmurts

Sayomedic 29.6%
North Siberian 3.7%
East Siberian 1.8%


= 35.1%

[Smeagol]

You're just inventing stuff up because there isn't any mention of this at Coon.

No, I'm not. in the part of Races Of Europe when he describes the racial make up of the different South Slavic nations he mentions there are a few East Baltics in some of them.

[Smeagol]

Komi

Saymoyedic 16.4%
North Siberian 3%
East Siberian 1.5%

= 20.9%


Udmurts

Sayomedic 29.6%
North Siberian 3.7%
East Siberian 1.8%


= 35.1%

I see, so most of their Mongoloid admixture comes from the Samoyeds.

[Peikko]

No, I'm not in the part of Races Of Europe when he describes the racial make up of the different South Slavic nations he mentions there are a few East Baltics in some of them.
I have that part of the book in front of me and I can't find it. Can you give me a quote?

[ButlerKing]

I see, so most of their Mongoloid admixture comes from the Samoyeds.

Yeah the Nenets have one of the highest Samoyeds components and they look hella Mongoloid

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x251/zemelmete/Nenci/0_99885_f8bcff81_XXL.jpg

The Ethnic group on the graph I showed Mansi have the highest between all of them at 30.9% and also highest North and East Siberian admixture. Mongoloid appearance sometimes appears among them a lot, they are almost 40% Mongoloid.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/31288/image009.jpg

[Smeagol]

I have that part of the book in front of me and I can't find it. Can you give me a quote?

Yes, but I made a mistake. It was actually Hans Gunther who said there were East Baltics in South Slavic countries. What Coon was actually talking about was Neo-Danubians from Northeast Europe (similar to East Baltics)


The metrical characters detailed above indicate that while the stature and head form of the general Dinaric area are approximated by these Slavs, the Neo-Danubian type which has reëmerged so completely in northern and eastern Slavic territory is also to be reckoned with here.


The Bulgarians are a composite people, with the following racial elements easily discernible: (a) a medium to tall-statured Atlanto-Mediterranean; (b) a partially blond Neo-Danubian, of typical snub-nosed form

Hans Gunther however says that East Baltics can be found in south Slavic countries, but since Gunther was biased, i'll just admit you're right.

[Smaug]

Any idea of their Haplogroups?

Haplogroup N mostly it seems:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG/640px-Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG

[Peikko]

Haplogroup N mostly it seems:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG/640px-Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG
No it doesn't because the biggest uralic speaking nation is Hungarians and they don't really have haplogroup N almost at all.

[ButlerKing]

No it doesn't because the biggest uralic speaking nation is Hungarians and they don't really have haplogroup N almost at all.


In some villages it reaches 7%

There are some Hungarian villages where the inhabitants possess small frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroups from Central Asia and Northern Asia such as those in the N, Q, and C families.

[Peikko]

Yes, but I made a mistake. It was actually Hans Gunther who said there were East Baltics in South Slavic countries. What Coon was actually talking about was Neo-Danubians from Northeast Europe (similar to East Baltics)





Hans Gunther however says that East Baltics can be found in south Slavic countries, but since Gunther was biased, i'll just admit you're right.
Yes Gunther had a tendency to lump different looking people under the same type so his East Baltic doesn't really correspond to Coon's.

That Croatian woman could be of neo-danubian type.

[Smaug]

No it doesn't because the biggest uralic speaking nation is Hungarians and they don't really have haplogroup N almost at all.

Well I hope you know that Hungarians only speak a Uralic language, but genetically cluster with other Central Europeans. It's the same situation with Neo-Latin speaker nations, they speak a Latin-based language because of the Roman dominion, but they differ genetically from Romans.

[Peikko]

In some villages it reaches 7%

There are some Hungarian villages where the inhabitants possess small frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroups from Central Asia and Northern Asia such as those in the N, Q, and C families.
So?

[Peikko]

Well I hope you know that Hungarians only speak a Uralic language, but genetically cluster with other Central Europeans. It's the same situation with Neo-Latin speaker nations, they speak a Latin-based language because of the Roman dominion, but they differ genetically from Romans.

Yeah, guess which Finns cluster closer to, Yakuts or Sardinians?

[Smaug]

Yeah, guess which Finns cluster closer to, Yakuts or Sardinians?

Yakuts.

[Peikko]

Yakuts.
Actually Sardinians, but nice try.

[rashka]

Would you call these people east baltics - they are from Southern Macedonia?
jump to 2:00 (the first half shows Iranian rappers)

http://youtu.be/8mHscxZO_Pw?t=2m

[Smaug]

Actually Sardinians, but nice try.

Elaborate.

[Peikko]

Would you call these people east baltics - they are from Southern Macedonia?
jump to 2:00 (the first half shows Iranian rappers)

http://youtu.be/8mHscxZO_Pw?t=2m
Not really. I think they look mostly dinarids.

[Peikko]

Elaborate.
??

[Smaug]

??

You said Finns cluster with Sardinians, prove it.

[Peikko]

You said Finns cluster with Sardinians, prove it.
lol man, the Yakuts are closer to the Japanese than to Finns.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/FSTHGDP8bunch-uprecalculaterearr-1.gif

[rashka]

Not really. I think they look mostly dinarids.

Yes, they are mostly Dinarids. I agree, Mr. Know it all.

http://i43.tinypic.com/n671tw.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/2no8wp.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ufwr3r.png
http://i44.tinypic.com/4rry8z.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/2pq769u.png
http://i43.tinypic.com/vmzl0i.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/693m7t.png

[Smaug]

lol man, the Yakuts are closer to the Japanese than to Finns.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/FSTHGDP8bunch-uprecalculaterearr-1.gif

Sure, but both have Y-DNA (paternal heritage) haplogroup N, while Sardinians have none. Finns cluster more with Estonians and NW Russians I think.

[Harkonnen]

You n00bs are starting to get on my nerves with your incompetent blabberings. Well here are some facts for sweethearts.


In 2006–2007, the expedition from Peter the Great Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography, St. Petersburg excavated 52 inhumation burials at a 13th-14th- century cemetery in Kylalahti Kalmistomäki, Karelia. The burial goods are unusual for Karelia, eastern Finland, or other parts of northwestern Russia. The skeletal remains provide the first chance of assessing the biological affinities of the medieval “Korela.” The group displays a trait combination similar to that observed in modern Karelians and opposing them to other recent Eurasian populations. The same combination is observed in Mesolithic and Neolithic crania from the Eastern Baltic. The Kylalahti Kalmistomäki series supports the hypothesis stating that features of the early inhabitants of Europe have survived in certain populations of northwestern Eurasia up to the present time.

The face was wide and relatively low and a flattened upper facial profile le co-occurred with a sharp midfacial profile and sharply protruding nasal bones (Alekseyeva, 1997). In Alekseyeva’s words, this unusual trait combination, which was more than once revealed by multivariate statistics, was widely distributed and was typical of Mesolithic Caucasoids of the forest and forest-steppe zones of Eastern Europe as evidenced by groups such as Zvejnieki, Popovo, Southern Oleniy (Reindeer) Island, and Vasilievka I and III. In her words, there is no doubt that robustness and upper facial flatness were inherited from earlier Caucasoid populations of Eastern Europe

Judging by the concentration of these unusual features in Scandinavia,the Baltic and the Onega area, people displaying them had migrated to Eastern Europe from the northwest and were possibly associated with the Mesolithic cultures of the circum-Baltic region. Revisiting the long-standing issue of admixture versus evolutionary conservatism in the Mesolithic population of Eastern Europe in the light of new data, we must reject the admixture hypothesis. The location of this peculiar type and its expansion from the west to the east suggest that it should be regarded as an independent ancient type which originated in northwestern Europe.

The first medieval series from the Ladoga coast, the one from Kylalahti Kalmistomäki, provides yet another instance of regional evolutionary conservatism. Also, it suggests that modern Karelians are not only culturally but also biologically related to medieval “Korela.” This group to some extent bridges a chronological gap between the Mesolithic and the recent period, demonstrating the minimal duration of the period over which the peculiar morphological trait combination existed.

NEW CRANIOMETRIC EVIDENCE ON THE ORIGIN OF THE KARELIANS (the Kylalahti Kalmistomäki Burial Ground) (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1563011010000504)

[Cern]

http://i40.tinypic.com/693m7t.png

My opinion, possible Balti but she too young.

[Peikko]

Sure, but both have Y-DNA (paternal heritage) haplogroup N, while Sardinians have none. Finns cluster more with Estonians and NW Russians I think.
Well, you're the one who brought up genetic distances. They don't really have much to do with haplogroups.

I actually think that genetic distances aren't very useful when it comes to physical anthropology. For example, someone who is half Finnish and half Italian would cluster with Germany. However, he would still inherit physical characteristics of his parents and wouldn't really look German.

[Trun]

Yes, they are mostly Dinarids. I agree, Mr. Know it all.

http://i43.tinypic.com/n671tw.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/2no8wp.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ufwr3r.png
http://i44.tinypic.com/4rry8z.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/2pq769u.png
http://i43.tinypic.com/vmzl0i.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/693m7t.png

Torbeshe are inbred as hell but even among them Uralic types are uncommon. The women show signs of East Baltid though.

[robar]

Haplogroup N mostly it seems:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG/640px-Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG
I try to be serious, it will be hard:rolleyes:
The problem with linking Uralic to Y-dna N is that various uralic groups have different subclades , like finns n1c1 nenets n1b and according to scientiest those separation happened way before the Uralic language group existed.

[Smaug]

Well, you're the one who brought up genetic distances. They don't really have much to do with haplogroups.

I actually think that genetic distances aren't very useful when it comes to physical anthropology. For example, someone who is half Finnish and half Italian would cluster with Germany. However, he would still inherit physical characteristics of his parents and wouldn't really look German.

Yes, genetics and appearance not always walk together.


I try to be serious, it will be hard:rolleyes:
The problem with linking Uralic to Y-dna N is that various uralic groups have different subclades , like finns n1c1 nenets n1b and according to scientiest those separation happened way before the Uralic language group existed.

I see, it's the same with R1b for example. Welsh and Armenians are mostly R1b, but we belong to different subclades.

[Harkonnen]

Since I've already dedicated a thread to Aryan race receiving a lot of interesting feedback, let us continue with yet another venerable race from Eastern Europe that appears predictably in people speaking Uralic languages (proving once again that language and race are deeply interrelated).

Comb Ceramic people, the first obvious Uralics, were contemporary to and neighboring Aryans to the North. Their features, however, could not be more different:


People of Comb-Ceramics belonged to the Hypermorphic North European race. This was at least before they got admixed with Mediterranean like people and got greatly reduced in size. These are the most ancient of North Europeans, these were tall large people with above average sized skulls.

The Aryans of the south were basically a mix of massive proto-Europid comb-ceramic people of the north and short, gracile dolicocephalic mediterraneans. Thing is people of Dnieper-Donets increased in size at the onset of neolithic. This can be best explained by mixing between the puny meditarrenean like people of mesolithic Dnieper-Donets and the much larger forest people of the north, in other words people of comb ceramic culture.

[Harkonnen]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/European-middle-neolithic-en.svg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36372&d=1376233849

[Harkonnen]

You n00bs are starting to get on my nerves with your incompetent blabberings. Well here are some facts for sweethearts.


In 2006–2007, the expedition from Peter the Great Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography, St. Petersburg excavated 52 inhumation burials at a 13th-14th- century cemetery in Kylalahti Kalmistomäki, Karelia. The burial goods are unusual for Karelia, eastern Finland, or other parts of northwestern Russia. The skeletal remains provide the first chance of assessing the biological affinities of the medieval “Korela.” The group displays a trait combination similar to that observed in modern Karelians and opposing them to other recent Eurasian populations. The same combination is observed in Mesolithic and Neolithic crania from the Eastern Baltic. The Kylalahti Kalmistomäki series supports the hypothesis stating that features of the early inhabitants of Europe have survived in certain populations of northwestern Eurasia up to the present time.

The face was wide and relatively low and a flattened upper facial profile le co-occurred with a sharp midfacial profile and sharply protruding nasal bones (Alekseyeva, 1997). In Alekseyeva’s words, this unusual trait combination, which was more than once revealed by multivariate statistics, was widely distributed and was typical of Mesolithic Caucasoids of the forest and forest-steppe zones of Eastern Europe as evidenced by groups such as Zvejnieki, Popovo, Southern Oleniy (Reindeer) Island, and Vasilievka I and III. In her words, there is no doubt that robustness and upper facial flatness were inherited from earlier Caucasoid populations of Eastern Europe

Judging by the concentration of these unusual features in Scandinavia,the Baltic and the Onega area, people displaying them had migrated to Eastern Europe from the northwest and were possibly associated with the Mesolithic cultures of the circum-Baltic region. Revisiting the long-standing issue of admixture versus evolutionary conservatism in the Mesolithic population of Eastern Europe in the light of new data, we must reject the admixture hypothesis. The location of this peculiar type and its expansion from the west to the east suggest that it should be regarded as an independent ancient type which originated in northwestern Europe.

The first medieval series from the Ladoga coast, the one from Kylalahti Kalmistomäki, provides yet another instance of regional evolutionary conservatism. Also, it suggests that modern Karelians are not only culturally but also biologically related to medieval “Korela.” This group to some extent bridges a chronological gap between the Mesolithic and the recent period, demonstrating the minimal duration of the period over which the peculiar morphological trait combination existed.



NEW CRANIOMETRIC EVIDENCE ON THE ORIGIN OF THE KARELIANS (the Kylalahti Kalmistomäki Burial Ground) (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1563011010000504)

Another study:


The 17th–early 19th century cranial series, consisting of 23 specimens (15 male and 8 female) from Alozero is the earliest from northern Karelia. The cemetery was evidently left by one of the first groups of Karelians who had permanently settled in this territory. Their crania are generally similar to those of later Karelians. Two distinct morphological trait combinations are present. One is characterized by robustness, a very high vault and a broad face. This combination appears to be the earliest since it links the Alozero people not only with later northwestern Karelians but also with the medieval population of the northwestern Ladoga region and ultimately with the Mesolithic and Neolithic people of the Baltic region. Another trait combination includes a medium high cranial vault, a medium broad face and a convex nasal bridge, linking it with the combination displayed by recent Finns of Finland. The latter component apparently reflects immigration from central Finland. The predecessors of Karelians in that territory are sometimes said to be related to modern Sami. However, no evidence of Sami admixture has been detected either in the Alozero series or in other Karelian groups

On the Biological Affinities of People of the “Lappish Parishes”: A Craniometric Analysis of the 17th– Early 19th Century Population of Alozero, Karelia (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1563011012000785)

I find the bolded part very interesting as to me those concave piggy faggy noses have always seemed more of a western Finnish thing & if they do happen sometimes occur on Karelians it must be because Western Finnish influence. But this may be a somewhat biased opinion. Except not anymore as it is now supported by this fine data.

Here couple pics for example. My great grandfather and his posse, from between Ladoga and White Sea, not far from Onega.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36378&d=1376250488

Great grandfather and some family

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36379&d=1376250506

[ButlerKing]

People of Comb-Ceramics belonged to the Hypermorphic North European race. This was at least before they got admixed with Mediterranean like people and got greatly reduced in size. These are the most ancient of North Europeans, these were tall large people with above average sized skulls.

The Aryans of the south were basically a mix of massive proto-Europid comb-ceramic people of the north and short, gracile dolicocephalic mediterraneans. Thing is people of Dnieper-Donets increased in size at the onset of neolithic. This can be best explained by mixing between the puny meditarrenean like people of mesolithic Dnieper-Donets and the much larger forest people of the north, in other words people of comb ceramic culture.

Sorry bro, the oldest Comb Ceramic people belong to people who have Mongoloid features.

[Harkonnen]

Sorry bro, the oldest Comb Ceramic people belong to people who have Mongoloid features.

Bro just admit that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[ButlerKing]

Bro just admit that you have no clue what you are talking about.

I do know actually but you apparently don't know much


The closest analogy to the skull early Finno-Ugric peoples are found in the burial Fofanova in the Baikal region (6th millennium BC)

http://i50.tinypic.com/2w40mm9.jpg


( Russian translation to English)

FACE OF ANTHROPOLOGY

There has been an act of invasion of the Finno-Ugric peoples of Eastern origin in the territory inhabited by Caucasians. Dnieper-Donets culture has developed Caucasians, after which it mingled with the Finno-Ugric tribes. This is confirmed by the data from the repository and Yasinovatka, which (like the Vasiljevka II) is the most ancient among the other cemeteries of the Dnieper-Donets culture. Moreover, it contains the burial of non-simultaneity and divide the period of 500 years (between A and B).

Since culture comb-ceramic spread anthropological type, bearing the features of a "relaxed Mongoloid." In the anthropological literature, it is named laponoidnogo. From the point of view of anthropologists, "there is every reason to believe that the origin of anthropological traits media cultures comb-ceramics associated with the eastern parts of Russia." In particular, male and female skulls from graves 19 and 20 (Sahtysh II), belonging to the comb-culture and dating con. 4th - early. 3rd millennium BC. e. have pronounced Mongoloid appearance - "brain structure of the skull, face and horizontal profile morphology of the nose in two sahtyshskih skulls undoubtedly confirm their membership of the Mongoloid race.

[RussiaPrussia]

i dont get why finns are so ashamed of north east asian admixture. I would be glad being mixed with north east asians the most of all european people. This means highest IQ.

[Harkonnen]

Thanks for the laffs

[ButlerKing]

Thanks for the laffs

There was intermixing between the Comb ceramic culture people and Dniesper culture people.

[Harkonnen]

i dont get why finns are so ashamed of north east asian admixture. I would be glad being mixed with north east asians the most of all european people. This means highest IQ.

What the hell are you talking about? Where have I denyed admixture. The issue here is that you just can't make-up stuff from thin air. Let's try to be scientific mkay..

[Roy]

Torbeshe are inbred as hell but even among them Uralic types are uncommon. The women show signs of East Baltid though.

These women don't resemble much their Balkanic counterparts. What are the genetics and the genesis of Torbereshe?

[RussiaPrussia]

What the hell are you talking about? Where have I denyed admixture. The issue here is that you just can't make-up stuff from thin air. Let's try to be scientific mkay..

are jews white? For most white people they arent because of their Semitic admixture. Same case for finns and russians.

[Harkonnen]

are jews white? For most white people they arent because of their Semitic admixture. Same case for finns and russians.

Dude let me tell you, I don't care none of that stuff. Only reason why I sometimes go on about nordic and related stuff is to troll retarded wogs. And it's great fun. But in same breath let me tell you another fact: I do recognize a gypsy when I see one :thumb001: They are called mustalainen here. Try to guess what it means..

[Peikko]

are jews white? For most white people they arent because of their Semitic admixture. Same case for finns and russians.

Actually European Jews mainly are white. You probably are not.

[Peikko]

Another study:



On the Biological Affinities of People of the “Lappish Parishes”: A Craniometric Analysis of the 17th– Early 19th Century Population of Alozero, Karelia (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1563011012000785)

I find the bolded part very interesting as to me those concave piggy faggy noses have always seemed more of a western Finnish thing & if they do happen sometimes occur on Karelians it must be because Western Finnish influence. But this may be a somewhat biased opinion. Except not anymore as it is now supported by this fine data.

Here couple pics for example. My great grandfather and his posse, from between Ladoga and White Sea, not far from Onega.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36378&d=1376250488

Great grandfather and some family

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36379&d=1376250506
So you actually have (real) Karelian ancestry??

[Trun]

These women don't resemble much their Balkanic counterparts. What are the genetics and the genesis of Torbereshe?

Macedonian Muslims. They are inbred like most Balkan Muslims living in mountain villages, hence the higher presence of blond hair and blue eyes among them.

[Peikko]

Macedonian Muslims. They are inbred like most Balkan Muslims living in mountain villages, hence the higher presence of blond hair and blue eyes among them.
So basically Balkan muslims are lighter than other Balkanites.

[Accountant]

i dont get why finns are so ashamed of north east asian admixture.

You might as well ask why Swedes are so ashamed of their southwest Asian admixture. 7% means next to nothing.

[Trun]

So basically Balkan muslims are lighter than other Balkanites.

Only some of them. In Bulgaria, Rhodope Muslims are lighter than Christians, but Pirin Muslims aren't. By lighter I mean they have more depigmented individuals.

[rashka]

Torbeshe are inbred as hell but even among them Uralic types are uncommon. The women show signs of East Baltid though.

But Mr. Know it all seems to know it all. If he says they're Dinarids, so be it!

[Guapo]

Finns look like blond Chinese

[Peikko]

Finns look like blond Chinese
What's the matter, jealous?

[Peikko]

But Mr. Know it all seems to know it all. If he says they're Dinarids, so be it!
I said they're mainly dinarid. None of them really look E.Baltic. You can ask Russians if some of them could pass in some parts of Russia.

[Jana]

she ? very atypical Croatian, but you can find uralic like influences here rarely. Like that girl on first page Valerija Šestić, seems photographers in Croatia like to single out girls with atypical/exotic look as models
http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000376807-maja_matkovic-fit.jpg
https://i.mdel.net/newfaces/i/2011/12/DSC06643-767x1024.jpg
http://www.cromoda.com/layout/i/content/998028630375030.jpg
https://models.com/newfaces/i/2011/12/014.jpg
https://i.mdel.net/newfaces/i/2011/12/016-716x1024.jpg

[Laag]

she ? very atypical Croatian, but you can find uralic like influences here rarely. Like that girl on first page Valerija Šestić, seems photographers in Croatia like to single out girls with atypical/exotic look as models
http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000376807-maja_matkovic-fit.jpg


Also like Faretta Radic or Petra Friganovic

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/7d/af/437dafd3ae8a2ad8197061d367305d61.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2en252w.jpg

Or these Russian women
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290436-Are-women-from-the-North-of-Russia-the-most-beautiful-in-Russia

And they are not Uralids ofc

Essentially these women are a mix of North-East UP and Nordic.

Coon placed this type in his UP category or in other words they're North-Eastern Cro-Magnon + Nordic or Nordic + North-Eastern Cro-Magnon
http://i55.tinypic.com/vo32fp.jpg

Ladogan or North-East UP
http://humanphenotypes.net/ladoganf.jpg
https://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe022.jpg

Croatian
http://i47.tinypic.com/23qx5pg.jpg
Karelian
https://pp.userapi.com/c636830/v636830920/e14/gpOgZEWjS-M.jpg
Russian
https://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/images/models/164563/header_image_9bd9f461-3b53-4789-9d25-5f4d6a2e44d0.png

Uralid
http://humanphenotypes.net/uralidf.jpg

They have nothing in common
This is North-East European type. Russians, Karelians, Komi people. I can't imagine them as Bashkirs or something who are Uralids.