Olavsson's results from DNA Tribes

[Olavsson]

7 Continental Zones:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7894/olavsson7continentalzon.jpg

21 World Regions:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7106/olavsson21worldregions.jpg

Shaded World Grid:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3582/olavssonshadedworldgrid.jpg

European populations:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5430/olavssoneuropeanpopulat.jpg

The last analysis (European populations) seems to claim that I have the greatest genetic similarity with the Basque Spain-population. That just seems weird. :confused: Especially when considering that I cluster with other Scandinavians at Eurogenes, while clustering in Northern Europe with greatest similarity to Northern Europeans at 23andMe's own interpretation. Or when looking at McDonald's European plot (http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6700/mcdonaldeuropeanplot.png) for that sake, on which the Basques seem to be one of the European populations I'm more distanced to. Even DNA Tribe's own analysis seems to contradict itself, when comparing with their Shaded World Grid.

Any comments? ;)

[Olavsson]

Oops. Delete.

[Graham]

"Shaded World Grid" looks the most accurate on everyones results. "European populations" not so much. Even more so looking at your results.

[xajapa]

"Shaded World Grid" looks the most accurate on everyones results. "European populations" not so much. Even more so looking at your results.
That has been my experience. The overall percentages and the shaded world grid are accurate. My sample populations were close, a little off, but, it seems, for many, the more this tool attempts to detail one's ancestry, the more it is off from what people know of their ancestry.

[Pallantides]

Olavsson is a Basque! :D

[Olavsson]

Olavsson is a Basque! :D

LOL. I just don't understand how this can harmonize with my previous results from various projects. Or is DNA Tribes just screwed up? :rolleyes2:

[Dacul]

R-L21 is celtic and H3 is typical for european women,from west and north Europe:
http://wiki.hmtdna.org/doku.php/results/h3/helena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_%28mtDNA%29#H3
"H3 represents a smaller fraction of European genome than H1 but has a somewhat similar distribution with peak among Basques (13.9%), Galicians (8.3%) and Sardinians (8.5%). Its frequency decreases towards the northeast of the continent, though. Studies have suggested haplogroup H3 is highly protective against AIDS progression."
The distance from Norway to Basque country is very small,on the sea.

[Hayalet]

Olavsson is a Basque! :D
Wasn't it DNA Tribes that showed you having greatest affinity to North Africans a few years ago? :)

[Pallantides]

Wasn't it DNA Tribes that showed you having greatest affinity to North Africans a few years ago? :)

Yes it was, Canary Islander and Berber:D

[Olavsson]

R-L21 is celtic and H3 is typical for european women,from west and north Europe:
http://wiki.hmtdna.org/doku.php/results/h3/helena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_%28mtDNA%29#H3
"H3 represents a smaller fraction of European genome than H1 but has a somewhat similar distribution with peak among Basques (13.9%), Galicians (8.3%) and Sardinians (8.5%). Its frequency decreases towards the northeast of the continent, though. Studies have suggested haplogroup H3 is highly protective against AIDS progression."
The distance from Norway to Basque country is very small,on the sea.

Might be, but the thing is: none of my previous genetic results have looked like your average Basque. They have been more or less normal for a Northern European.

[Dacul]

Well you know H3 is found also in England and that table that shows match with other populations is made based on Y DNA and mt dna not on autosomal DNA.
So you do not know from where the ancestors on maternal line from your mother came either from Basque country,either from England.
Your autosomal DNA shows nordish and baltid dna and some spanish dna (iberian dna).
So I think the ancestors on your maternal DNA line came very far in the past from Basque country (female ancestors).

[Olavsson]

Well you know H3 is found also in England and that table that shows match with other populations is made based on Y DNA and mt dna not on autosomal DNA.

Oh, so that analysis which shows your match with different European and world-wide populations is based on mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups, and not autosomal DNA?


So you do not know from where the ancestors on maternal line from your mother came

No, that's true.


either from Basque country,either from England.

Well, it isn't that easy I think. mtDNa haplogroup H has been in Europe for a very long time, and is common all over the continent. H3 has a very high frequency among the Basque population, but that does not make it exclusively a Basque genetic marker. As you probably hinted at yourself, ("...either from England") H3 has also a relatively high frequency in the British islands. According to Eupedia, 42% of the maternal lines in Norway belong to mtDNA haplogroup H. H1 is the most common variation, and H3 is the second most common variation. There is nothing extraordinary about being Scandinavian and belonging to H3, and H3 has most certainly been here for a quite a long time, from our perspective at least. According to Eupedia again, H3 is about 10,000 years old, and had plenty of time to reach Scandinavia even before the Germanic-speaking tribes began to appear.


Your autosomal DNA shows nordish and baltid dna and some spanish dna (iberian dna).
So I think the ancestors on your maternal DNA line came very far in the past from Basque country (female ancestors).

Of course, this conclusion isn't anything I can rule out based on present knowledge, but I would still say that is a bit far-fetched perhaps. ;)
Yes, according to DNA Tribes, I have some Iberian-style admixture there, and unfortuantely, I don't know if there is possible to compare with any Scandinavian average from this project. However, I haven't got the impression that my Southern European/Mediterranean admixture is any higher than what could be expected from many Scandinavians, when comparing my results from Eurogenes and Dodecad with their population-averages.

[Pallantides]

Oh, so that analysis which shows your match with different European and world-wide populations is based on mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups, and not autosomal DNA?


It's not based on mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups...


This portion of your report identifies your total genetic similarity to European populations in our database. Each population on the map is labeled with a number expressing the ranking among your world population matches (see page 24 for a complete list). In the table, each population is listed with a Member Similarity score that expresses the percentage of your DNA shared with members of that population. Circled populations (labeled "Match" in the table) identify ethnic groups where your genotype fits well among members, based on a proprietary statistical test developed by DNA Tribes®.

[Olavsson]

It's not based on mtDNA and Y-DNA haplogroups...

Alright, thanks for making that clear. ;)

Maybe Polako or some of the experts on here could offer some explanation on this Basque-stuff? :cool:

[Pallantides]

Your world admixture compared with me:

Northwest European 55.09/67.39(-12.30%)
Baltic-Urals 35.60/30.75(+4.85%)
Iberian 8.14/0.00(+8.14%)
Mesoamerican 1.16/0.71(+0.45%)
Arctic 0.00/1.02(-1.02%)
Oceanian 0.00/0.07(-0.07%)

Your world admixture compared with evon:

Northwest Europan 55.09/72.38(-17.29%)
Baltic-Urals 35.60/16.69(+18.91%)
Iberian 8.14/10.84(-2.7%)
Mesoamerican 1.16/0.00(+1.16%)
Indus Valley 0.00/0.09(-0.09%)

I think your result is fairly average, evon is West Norwegian so it's no surprise he is more Northwestern and less Baltic-Ural than both of us.

[Dacul]

Well how come Olavsson was said to be closest from Basque Country with so much baltic-uralic admixture?
Since from what I knew baltic-uralic admixture is not present almost at all in Basque Country people.

[Olavsson]

I think your result is fairly average, evon is West Norwegian so it's no surprise he is more Northwestern and less Baltic-Ural than both of us.

Dodecad v3 K=12 analysis - Olavsson & Norwegian average + French Basque average. (My own results are taken from Gedmatch, since I didn't bother finding the spreadsheet.)

East European: 10.56% - 9.6% - 0.6%
West European: 68.17% - 68.3% - 62.3%
Mediterranean: 12.24% - 14.9% - 45.6%
West Asian: 7.39% - 4% - 1%
Northeast Asian: 1.63% - 0.7% - 0%
Neo African: 0% - 0% - 0%
South Asian: 0% - 0% - 0%
Southeast Asian: 0% - 0.1% - 0%
East African: 0% - 0% - 0%
Southwest Asian: 0% - 2% - 0%
Northwest African: 0% - 0.1% - 0.3%
Palaeo African: 0% - 0% - 0%

Dodecad K12b - Olavsson & Norwegian average + French Basque average:

North European: 54.32% - 54.7% - 17.1%
Atlantic-Med: 34.24% - 36% - 73.1%
Gedrosia: 9.69% - 8.2% - 9.8%
Siberian: 1.48% - 1% - 0%
Northwest African: 0% - 0% - 0%
Southeast Asian: 0% - 0% - 0%
South Asian: 0% - 0% - 0%
East African: 0% - 0% - 0%
Southwest Asian: 0% - 0% - 0%
East Asian: 0.27% - 0% - 0%
Caucasus: 0% - 0.1% - 0%
Sub-Saharan: 0% - 0% - 0%


Well how come Olavsson was said to be closest from Basque Country with so much baltic-uralic admixture?
Since from what I knew baltic-uralic admixture is not present almost at all in Basque Country people.

Yes, I still find this result very weird indeed.

[Viljuska]

Yes, I still find this result very weird indeed.

Sample sizes for each population..
http://www.dnatribes.com/pops-eur.html
2700 for Norway.
A few hundred for Basque.

http://www.dnatribes.com/populations.html

Did you ask them about your result?