Classify Greece's national team

[Rouxinol]

1.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/45791.jpg
2.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/69888.jpg
3.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/57854.jpg
4.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/97657.jpg
5.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/91852.jpg
6.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250007890.jpg
7.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/1901610.jpg
8.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72323.jpg
9.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72623.jpg
10.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/73874.jpg
11.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250020526.jpg
12.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72587.jpg
13.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/15946.jpg
14.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/51521.jpg
15.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/1900714.jpg

[Rouxinol]

16.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/39217.jpg
17.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250017753.jpg
18.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250014583.jpg
19.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/70142.jpg
20.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/23623.jpg
21.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/103218.jpg
22.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/43513.jpg
23.
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/98603.jpg

[Libertas]

Are short faces a Greek trait?

[Foxy]

I have looked all the three classification threads about the Greek, the Portuguese and the Italian football teams and my opinion is that none of these 3 groups look like the other 2. Everyone has its own look.

The current Italian team has frequent dinaric, alpinid and borreby influence, the Portuguese one is more on the atlanto-med/gracile med spectrum. The Greek one clearly shows a strong pontid influence.

This one fits North-East Italy and seems to me a dinarized-atlanto med, but there is something more Balkanian in him, maybe something pontid. Compare with Buffon for example.

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250017753.jpg

[Prince Carlo]

I have looked all the three classification threads about the Greek, the Portuguese and the Italian football teams and my opinion is that none of these 3 groups look like the other 2. Everyone has its own look.

The current Italian team has frequent dinaric, alpinid and borreby influence, the Portuguese one is more on the atlanto-med/gracile med spectrum. The Greek one clearly shows a strong pontid influence.

This one fits North-East Italy and seems to me a dinarized-atlanto med, but there is something more Balkanian in him, maybe something pontid. Compare with Buffon for example.

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250017753.jpg

There is something East Nordid in him. Dinarized North-Pontid?

[Artek]

There is something East Nordid in him. Dinarized North-Pontid?
He could pass in Poland, looks somewhere in between East Nordid and Pontid

[Rastko]

Detfri,sport teams are not the best representatives of country look.

[Willem]

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250020526.jpg

^^How would this guy be classified??

[Turkophagos]

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250020526.jpg

^^How would this guy be classified??

He is half Uruguayan.




21 (Mitroglou) is fully Gypsy.

[Onur]

21 (Mitroglou) is fully Gypsy.
Mutrip [Mutri or mitri, i cant remember exactly] means gypsy in some local dialects of Turkish.

So his surname means "son of a gypsy"

[Útrám]

Overall the character is rather Dinaric. With occasional occurrences of Pontic and 'Osteuropid' cromagnoms.

[Sikeliot]

I have looked all the three classification threads about the Greek, the Portuguese and the Italian football teams and my opinion is that none of these 3 groups look like the other 2. Everyone has its own look.

The current Italian team has frequent dinaric, alpinid and borreby influence, the Portuguese one is more on the atlanto-med/gracile med spectrum. The Greek one clearly shows a strong pontid influence

I agree with you entirely.

Also, all three teams are undoubtedly European in appearance, just in their own unique ways.

[aherne]

I agree with you entirely.

Also, all three teams are undoubtedly European in appearance, just in their own unique ways.

They are not! Many look totally alien to Europe, but that's understandable since Greeks are genetically and racially :
mostly Anatolian (Pelasgian):
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/103218.jpg
with strong Balkan CroMagnid influence (looking very similar to Albanians):
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72323.jpg
and also some Aryan (from those who sired their language):
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/51521.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

That "Pelasgian" is a gypsy..

[Onur]

That "Pelasgian" is a gypsy..
Yes, even his surname means gypsy.

Would you guys please stop calling every swarthy Balkanite as "Anatolian" and every non-swarthy Turk as "Greek, Bulgarian"? This is getting pritty cliche and boring anymore.




with strong Balkan CroMagnid influence (looking very similar to Albanians):
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/72323.jpg

This guy is most likely has ancestors from the Blacksea side of Anatolia, a Pontic as Greeks calls.

The Blacksea people in Turkey looks like him. I can even guess it`s exact location. My guess is; his grandparents was from northeastern Turkey, somewhere from central to eastern side `till Georgia border.

[kollaps]

As someone already said, sports teams are not representative of a country.

Some are not full-Greek as Creterioh said, and 2-3 of the "exotic"-looking players are of Pontic descent so they are not really typical Greeks. 2 players (Karagounis and Gekas) are obviously Balkan dinarids and even their name suggests they belong to a minority among the Greek population. Another 2-3 are of Cretan descent (Samaras, Sifakis etc).

I am not saying all those types don't exist, they obviously exist, but they are over-represented in the team.

[GeistFaust]

1. Atlanto-Mediterranid with additional Alpinoid and Cro-Magnon influences possible.

2. Atlantid/Atlanto-Nordid + Cro-Magnon admixture.

3. Ponto-East-Mediterranid with additional strong to standard Alpinoid influences.

4. Atlanto-Mediterranid with additional Cro-Magnon influences.

5. Alpinoid-Mediterranid with strong Atlantid/Atlanto-Mediterranid influences.

6. Nordo-Mediterranid predominantly.

7. Cro-Magnon with additional East-Mediterranid/Atlanto-Mediterranid influences.

8. Borreby with additional strong to standard Pontid/Ponto-Nordid influences, and has an Eastern European or Balkan appearance, which could be further North of Greece, although I do not claim to be knowledable on placing individuals into areas.

9. Atlantid/Atlanto-Mediterranid with a strong to standard Alpinoid influence, which is probably inclining more towards a standard influence.

10. Atlanto-Mediterranid predominantly with the other component not be worthy of talking about.

11. Dinaro-Mediterranid with something else clearly exotic.

12. East-Mediterranid with a strong Cro-Magnon influence, and a potential additional Alpinoid influence.

[GeistFaust]

13. Dinaro-Mediterranid/Dinaro-Atlantid with additional Cro-Magnon and Alpinoid influences.

14. Atlantid predominantly, I don't see much Mediterranid about him, and might have guessed him for French if I did not know he was Greek.

15. Alpinoid-Mediterranid.

16. Between Ponto-Mediterranid and Ponto-Nordo-Mediterranid.

17. Atlanto-Nordid with some additional Dinarid influences possible.

18. Mediterranid-Alpinoid.

19. East-Mediterranid with additional Cro-Magnon influences possible.

20. East-Mediterranid/Atlanto-Mediterranid with additional Alpinoid and Cro-Magnon influences possible, but with more of an emphasis on the Cro-Magnon, which is the case with most of the former I mentioned with such a combination of influences.

21. Dinaro-Mediterranid, and a bit exotic in some manner.

22. Robust Alpinoid with additional Mediterranid influences.

23. Dinarid/Dinaro-Mediterranid.

[leisitox]

I agree with GF classifications
11 have turanid influence, I believe :)
21 looks Taurid/Dinaric-Mediterranid IMO

[aherne]

That "Pelasgian" is a gypsy..

May be. He doesn't look Indian, though (has absolutely no veddoid). He looks more like someone from Anatolia. A lot of Turks have this look...

How about this one:
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/97657.jpg
This type has very obvious Anatolian roots.

[aherne]

This guy is most likely has ancestors from the Blacksea side of Anatolia, a Pontic as Greeks calls.

The Blacksea people in Turkey looks like him. I can even guess it`s exact location. My guess is; his grandparents was from northeastern Turkey, somewhere from central to eastern side `till Georgia border.

Interesting, but this is a very common type among Greeks:
http://www.reportervirtual.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/capatos.jpg
I think this is a pre-Pelasgian element, looking profoundly West Balkanian (in many cases with blondish hair and light eyes).

[MagnaLaurentia]

1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20 and 23 are typical Greek, IMO. I see alot of those faces in Montreal or Laval, specially Laval.

2 and 8 look like southern slave/balkan.
4 and 18 look like anatolian/turkish.
11 exotic south american.
17 look like italian or atlantic european.
19 and 22 are strange, I never saw Greeks as them.
21 exotic orientalid.

[Ellin Arhon]

I am sorry to write like that in my first post but I am sooo tired to hear all the time that every non "med" looking (if a thing as such exists) greek must be someway somehow "for sure" from somewhere else. A horrible stereotype.

[Ushtari]

Interesting, but this is a very common type among Greeks:
http://www.reportervirtual.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/capatos.jpg
I think this is a pre-Pelasgian element, looking profoundly West Balkanian (in many cases with blondish hair and light eyes).
This look can also be found among Albanians.

[Queen B]

I am sorry to write like that in my first post but I am sooo tired to hear all the time that every non "med" looking (if a thing as such exists) greek must be someway somehow "for sure" from somewhere else. A horrible stereotype.

Not horrible, just stupid.

[Ellin Arhon]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh47/polyperhon/1.jpg

This one is face reconstruction of an achean who lived in an age before the Trojan war.
I wonder what most people of this forum would have said if they would have seen him alive today.

[Ushtari]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh47/polyperhon/1.jpg

This one is face reconstruction of an achean who lived in an age before the Trojan war.
I wonder what most people of this forum would have said if they would have seen him alive today.
prolly "look bro, a human!:eek:"

[Gospodine]

Number 4 kind of looks like me.

[Artek]

Number 8 looks funny, like a blend of Greek and Mongol

[Midori]

Mostly various Mediterranean types, some Alpine and CM thrown in as well.

[Hadouken]

May be. He doesn't look Indian, though (has absolutely no veddoid). He looks more like someone from Anatolia. A lot of Turks have this look...

How about this one:
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/97657.jpg
This type has very obvious Anatolian roots.

I dont find him that exotic tbh.

but probably gypsy too

there seem to be a few gypsies in the team

[Tooting Carmen]

Mostly Pontids, East Meds and Dinarids. And no, Ioannis Maniatis is not a Gypsy.

[Queen B]

I dont find him that exotic tbh.

but probably gypsy too

there seem to be a few gypsies in the team

He is not a gypsy and he doesn't look Gypsy. Exotic yes.

He has quite a brow :lol:

Actually his mouth area is very protruding, monkeyish. Ugly fella

[Hadouken]

He is not a gypsy and he doesn't look Gypsy. Exotic yes.

He has quite a brow :lol:



are number 12 and 18 gypsies ?

[Bloodnigger]

Maniatis doesn't look so weird really. Probably the picture.

http://images2.corriereobjects.it/sport/euro-2012/info/squadre/grecia/img/2.jpg

Though he's quite scary when he shouts. Definitely not a person you want to meet in a dark alley.

[Bloodnigger]

are number 12 and 18 gypsies ?

I don't know. Makos has a weird nose though.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/8f0affbff8734a6e896a9860b873dc94/512x.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Without tans and facial hair people look a lot lighter.

[Hadouken]

I don't know. Makos has a weird nose though.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/8f0affbff8734a6e896a9860b873dc94/512x.jpg

Caucasus look

[Tooting Carmen]

Without tans and facial hair people look a lot lighter.

But even so, many of these footballers (like Greeks in general) have very distinctive, regionally-specific facial features.

[Bloodnigger]

Without tans and facial hair people look a lot lighter.

Most play for german teams so they don't see a lot of sun.

Also, Makos is 1.85. Probably dinarid in him. Football and basketball players in general seem to be dinarid-oriented in every country that does well. They also beat me at basketball all my life which is why I went for murcan football where my cromag would finally be useful.

[cally]

White powa!

[Faklon]

I don't know. Makos has a weird nose though.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/8f0affbff8734a6e896a9860b873dc94/512x.jpg

Probably broken,look in google(I can't right now).

[Hadouken]

agree faklon 100% broken nose

[Sikeliot]

But even so, many of these footballers (like Greeks in general) have very distinctive, regionally-specific facial features.

#4, #12, #16, and #21 look excessively exotic even for Greeks though.

#5 also seems odd but not in the exotic sense; but the far spacing of his eyes to me indicates Berid admixture, he doesn't look Near Eastern despite being dark.

[Hadouken]

#4, #12, #16, and #21 look excessively exotic even for Greeks though.

#5 also seems odd but not in the exotic sense; but the far spacing of his eyes to me indicates Berid admixture, he doesn't look Near Eastern despite being dark.

near east has light people too

and you give too much importance on pigmenation when guessing/classifiying people

[Trun]

So far we have three Greeks saying Mitroglu is a gypsy.

Be-Real, does this footballer look Southern European to you (just asking)

http://www.starozagorci.com/common/images/2013-07/20130730-PNNJDEUBHMA-1375179371.jpg

[Bloodnigger]

#4, #12, #16, and #21 look excessively exotic even for Greeks though.

#5 also seems odd but not in the exotic sense; but the far spacing of his eyes to me indicates Berid admixture, he doesn't look Near Eastern despite being dark.

21 is confirmed gypsy, 16 is pontic, 12 has a broken nose apparently and as for 4, he looks normal in other photos.

[Trun]

21 is confirmed gypsy, 16 is pontic, 12 has a broken nose apparently and as for 4, he looks normal in other photos.

I agree, 4 looks very Greek to me.

[Tooting Carmen]

near east has light people too

and you give too much importance on pigmenation when guessing/classifiying people

No actually, Sikeliot is good at emphasising facial traits over pigmentation. But anyway, there is a noticeably low percentage of light hair/eyes even when compared to their Spanish and Italian counterparts. (Funny how Anglojew endlessly trolls Spaniards over their supposed 'darkness' and 'exoticness', when you can still find quite a few light-pigmented, Northern-looking individuals in their football team who are close to absent among this lot).

[Trun]

No actually, Sikeliot is good at emphasising facial traits over pigmentation. But anyway, there is a noticeably low percentage of light hair/eyes even when compared to their Spanish and Italian counterparts. (Funny how Anglojew endlessly trolls Spaniards over their supposed 'darkness' and 'exoticness', when you can still find quite a few light-pigmented, Northern-looking individuals in their football team who are close to absent among this lot).

These are dark photos where footballers have weird expressions. Certainly they don't look like this irl.

[Hadouken]

So far we have three Greeks saying Mitroglu is a gypsy.

Be-Real, does this footballer look Southern European to you (just asking)

http://www.starozagorci.com/common/images/2013-07/20130730-PNNJDEUBHMA-1375179371.jpg

saying yes but nobody could prove

hellenas said there are is nothing that proves him being gypsy ...at least for now ...and I couldnt find anything either but ok maybe he is gypsy I dont know ..if it makes people happy then let him being gypsy

as for the question you ask me : I cant answer it unbiased now after all this talk ...sorry

I dont also want to say something that offends anybody and people end up getting on my balls lol

[Tooting Carmen]

These are dark photos where footballers have weird expressions. Certainly they don't look like this irl.

They may be less tanned than this in real life, but the hair and eyes would still be dark. But anyway, in the countless photos I've seen of Greeks and the few I've met in real life I'd still say that they are more uniformly brunette than their Italian and Spanish counterparts. (I'm not saying they look MENA; they look like Europeans but with an unusually high propensity towards dark brown hair and brown eyes).

[Sikeliot]

They may be less tanned than this in real life, but the hair and eyes would still be dark. But anyway, in the countless photos I've seen of Greeks and the few I've met in real life I'd still say that they are more uniformly brunette than their Italian and Spanish counterparts. (I'm not saying they look MENA; they look like Europeans but with an unusually high propensity towards dark brown hair and brown eyes).

Well it depends on which region of Italy. They are obviously going to have more light eyes and possibly hair than Sicily, and definitely more so than Calabria.

They might be on par with a region such as Apulia or Campania, which is still more brunette than Spain.

[Queen B]

are number 12 and 18 gypsies ?
No. Gosh, seriously you people have no idea what you are talking about.
You think of Mitroglou as normal then 12 and 18 look gupsy?
A bit of beard and ugly brows make them gypsy??

Surely, they are not the typical good looking med Greeks, but wtf.
Ιf anything, 12 looks more like Cypriot.
http://www.sportdog.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox_full/article/2011_12/842615.jpg
http://www.contra.gr/incoming/article924755.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/makos050809.jpg

I don't remember the pimple's guy name.

[cally]

They all look normal for South europe imo. except mitoglu he looks a "different type" of exotic, if that makes sense.

[Hadouken]

No. Gosh, seriously you people have no idea what you are talking about.
You think of Mitroglou as normal then 12 and 18 look gupsy?
A bit of beard and ugly brows make them gypsy??

Surely, they are not the typical good looking med Greeks, but wtf.
Ιf anything, 12 looks more like Cypriot.
http://www.sportdog.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox_full/article/2011_12/842615.jpg
http://www.contra.gr/incoming/article924755.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/makos050809.jpg

I don't remember the pimple's guy name.

lol you cant even see that I am being sarcastic the whole time

and I never said that Mitroglou looks "normal" ...I just said he doesnt look gypsy or alien to southern europe but still very atypical of course ....unless some of the southern euros I know in real life are gypsies and I am blind :rolleyes2:

but I dont claim anything ...before you start with insults ....I am just an unbiased west asian observer and friend :fgift:

[Tooting Carmen]

Well it depends on which region of Italy. They are obviously going to have more light eyes and possibly hair than Sicily, and definitely more so than Calabria.

They might be on par with a region such as Apulia or Campania, which is still more brunette than Spain.

Most of Italy from Abruzzo/Molise northwards looks like Sweden compared to any region of Greece. Here are some Campanian footballers in the current Italian squad. Some of them are blonder than anything you find in the Greek team (albeit with usually very SE European facial features still).

Ciro Immobile
http://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/ciro-immobile.jpg

Fabio Quagliarella
http://enelcamarin.cl/images/com_joomleague/database/persons/fabio_quagliarella_1359013469.jpg

Antonio Mirante
http://static.goal.com/115500/115526.jpg

Ignazio Abate
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ignazio+Abate+Czech+Republic+v+Italy+H5JrOmuYpG9l. jpg

Domenico Criscito
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/DomenicoCriscito.jpg/220px-DomenicoCriscito.jpg

Lorenzo Insigne
http://static.goal.com/207500/207574.jpg

[Queen B]

#4, #12, #16, and #21 look excessively exotic even for Greeks though.

#5 also seems odd but not in the exotic sense; but the far spacing of his eyes to me indicates Berid admixture, he doesn't look Near Eastern despite being dark.
[QUOTE=Sikeliot;2960974]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118683-Classify-this-football-player
This cutie-pie doesn't look exotic or odd. His facial feautures are normal.The only ''odd'' thing is that he has very black hair and dark brown eyes.While brunette in every shade (from light to very dark) is very common, jet black isn't.

And this babe just had an injury :(

[Casandrinos]

Again the same footballers over and over.

At least post some decent pictures of them.

[Sikeliot]

Most of Italy from Abruzzo/Molise northwards looks like Sweden compared to any region of Greece. Here are some Campanian footballers in the current Italian squad. Some of them are blonder than anything you find in the Greek team (albeit with usually very SE European facial features still).

Well the closest might be Apulia then, because Calabria is darker than any region of Greece, and Sicily is probably close in coloring, but facial features might be more "extreme".

Campanian football players seem lighter than the average for the region, though. People have commented on this before. Either way I think the Greek players for the most part look Balkan, neither Italian nor Middle Eastern.

[Casandrinos]

Well the closest might be Apulia then, because Calabria is darker than any region of Greece, and Sicily is probably close in coloring, but facial features might be more "extreme".

Campanian football players seem lighter than the average for the region, though. People have commented on this before. Either way I think the Greek players for the most part look Balkan, neither Italian nor Middle Eastern.

You are confusing Greek looks for Balkan again.

[Sikeliot]

You are confusing Greek looks for Balkan again.

But they don't look middle eastern which is the point I am countering him on.

[Casandrinos]

But they don't look middle eastern which is the point I am countering him on.

Well of course not.

Except from Mitroglou and some Caucasus looking none else does.

[Tooting Carmen]

But they don't look middle eastern which is the point I am countering him on.

I specifically said earlier on that they do NOT look MENA; just Europeans with almost uniformly dark hair and eyes.

[Trun]

as for the question you ask me : I cant answer it unbiased now after all this talk ...sorry

I dont also want to say something that offends anybody and people end up getting on my balls lol

Well he is gypsy and looks like it, maybe some Calabrians and Sicilians can look like this but nothing else in Southern Europe generally.


Most of Italy from Abruzzo/Molise northwards looks like Sweden compared to any region of Greece.

What is this exagarration? Tuscany and Umbria surely aren't places where nordic gods live. They are also Meds just look Europeans unlike some Pontic Greeks, Cypriots and far Southern Iberians and Italians.

[Trun]

This cutie-pie doesn't look exotic or odd. His facial feautures are normal.The only ''odd'' thing is that he has very black hair and dark brown eyes.While brunette in every shade (from light to very dark) is very common, jet black isn't.

And this babe just had an injury :(

Sikeliot puts too much importance on pigmentation. That's why he thinks I'm exotic for Europe probably, my very dark hair.

[Tooting Carmen]

What is this exagarration? Tuscany and Umbria surely aren't places where nordic gods live. They are also Meds just look Europeans unlike some Pontic Greeks, Cypriots and far Southern Iberians and Italians.

Central Italians are facially very Italic/Dinarid/Alpine etc for sure, but they are definitely lighter than any Greeks, even though maybe I was going over the top by saying they look like Swedes when put next to Greeks.

[Trun]

Central Italians are facially very Italic/Dinarid/Alpine etc for sure, but they are definitely lighter than any Greeks

I doubt they are lighter than actual Northern Greeks.

[Scholarios]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Greece_football_team_Inter-Allied_Games.jpg/640px-Greece_football_team_Inter-Allied_Games.jpg

Now compare to 1919 inter-ally Greek team.

[Sikeliot]

I doubt they are lighter than actual Northern Greeks.

They aren't. Northern Greeks are lighter than anything south of Campania, that's for sure.

Anyway, Mitroglu or whatever his name is, would stand out dramatically in southern Italy. Not due to coloring but features, he looks really Iranid.