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Vojnik
06-11-2012, 05:59 AM
My DNA has been tested and the results for my paternal DNA (y-chromosome) is I2a2a.

Information on Haplogroup I2a:


Haplogroup I2a is characterized by the genetic Marker P37.02, which appeared for the first time 15,000 years ago. It originated in the Balkans, where it is most widely distributed yet today.

Haplogroup I2a distinguishes itself from other tribes that sought in the Balkans a refuge from the ice sheet during the Ice Age. As one of the few original tribes, they survived the Ice Age and expanded into Romania, Poland, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

The hard environmental conditions during the Ice Age led to a drastic decrease of the human population and the genetic diversity of Europe.

I only purchased the basic package with 12 markers and I have been told that my possible place of origin is in todays Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina. My subclade is: I2a2a-M423-Din-S.

This is the definition of my subclade that I received.

You are probably wondering what I2a2a-M423-Din-S means? The I2a2a
was assigned by ISOGG. The M423 means Familytreedna thinks you will test
positive for the SNP M423. Din-S is short for Dinaric Alps, south of the Danube
River. The Dinaric Alps lie on the north of Italy and extend southward along
the Adriatic Ocean. The Danube River begins in lower Germany and extends
eastward to the Black Sea. So geographically, your ancient ancestors lived
in this area back thousands of years ago. You can read about your Dinaric
group at our I2a Website, using the link above.

Matches Map. Red is exact matches, Orange is 1 step matches.
http://i48.tinypic.com/263zj8z.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/33mo6c8.png

Ancestral origins:
http://i50.tinypic.com/1zwgsus.png

Haplogroup origins:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2aan408.png



My mtDNA (maternal haplogroup) was found to be U4. I did not get much out of that but I did find one exact match in Romania.

Here is some information on haplogroup U4:

Haplogroup U, as a branch of family tree R, differentiated from it 50,000 years ago and is therefore one of the oldest haplogroups of Europe. The genetic diversification of the tribe is indicative of the great age.

11% of current-day Europeans are direct descendants of Clan Mother U in the maternal line. Today one finds this haplogroup in north Africa, in Arabic Regions, in the Caucasus, but above all in Great Britain, southern France, and Basque territory.

Cheddar-Mann is probably the most famous of the early exponents of haplogroup U. Cheddar-Mann was unearthed in 1903 in Gough’s Cave in Somerset, England. The corpse comes from the year 7,150 B.C. and was likely the victim of cannibalism.

One sub-group of this branch, U5, is found almost exclusively among the Saami in Finland. The cultural, linguistic, and geographic isolation of this people led to a specific subgroup that was hardly disseminated.

One further interesting sub-group of U is U6, which appears predominantly in the Middle East. 10% of all North Africans descend in the material line from haplogroup U6. In spite of the geographic distance between U5 and U6, both had the same first female ancestor, U.

I find this whole thing very interesting but confusing at the same time. Any opinions, feel free to say them.

Panopticon
06-11-2012, 07:35 AM
I2a2 as in (currently) I2a1b1 or I2a2 as in (formerly) I2b1? From the description in the thread, I'm going to guess the former. It's confusing, however. I2a2/I2a1b1 is a very young haplogroup, just abou 2800 years old. Which is why I'm uncertain.

Frequency peaks in South-Slavic countries, Romania and Ukraine; diversity peaks in north Romania/Moldova and south Ukraine. The place with the peak diversity is probably the place of its origin.


Reconstruction of Cheddar Man on the left, verified descendant Adrian Targett on the right. Both of them are your distant relatives.
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Cheddar-Man-and-Adrian-Targett.jpg

Optimus
06-11-2012, 07:39 AM
Congratulations for your results.

I2a2 is the dominant male lineage in Macedonia.:)



Frequency peaks in South-Slavic countries, Romania and Ukraine; diversity peaks in north Romania/Moldova and south Ukraine. The place with the peak diversity is probably the place of its origin.

Highest frequencies are found in Bosnia-Herzegovina,it is a Paleo-Balkanic marker.I haplogroup is aboriginal and specific only to Europe.

Panopticon
06-11-2012, 07:43 AM
Congratulations for your results.

I2a2 is the dominant male lineage in Macedonia.:)



Highest frequencies are found in Bosnia-Herzegovina,it is a Paleo-Balkanic marker.I haplogroup is aboriginal and specific only to Europe.

Read my post again, I mention that the peak frequency is in South-Slavic countries and Romania and Ukraine, which is true. It is the most common in Bosnia and Herzegovina of all the countries though.

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 08:33 AM
I2a2 as in (currently) I2a1b1 or I2a2 as in (formerly) I2b1? From the description in the thread, I'm going to guess the former. It's confusing, however. I2a2/I2a1b1 is a very young haplogroup, just abou 2800 years old. Which is why I'm uncertain.

Frequency peaks in South-Slavic countries, Romania and Ukraine; diversity peaks in north Romania/Moldova and south Ukraine. The place with the peak diversity is probably the place of its origin.


Reconstruction of Cheddar Man on the left, verified descendant Adrian Targett on the right. Both of them are your distant relatives.
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Cheddar-Man-and-Adrian-Targett.jpg

Apparently haplogroup I2 originated in south east Europe 15,000-17,000 years ago and then evolved into three sub-groups: I2*, I2a, and I2b.

Haplogroup I, which I2 comes from, has it's possible place of origin in Europe some 25,000-30,000 years ago, which makes it one of the oldest European haplogroups. :thumb001:

As I mentioned, most likely my place of origin is south of the Dinaric alps according to the person who managers people with haplogroup I2a2 on Family Tree DNA.

Here is a map showing where I2a is most frequent.

http://i45.tinypic.com/m7qtt3.png

Ushtari
06-11-2012, 08:37 AM
Gratz, you are descendant of Slavic invaders from eastern europe

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 08:56 AM
Gratz, you are descendant of Slavic invaders from eastern europe

No, I'm Indigenous to the Balkans. :)

Ushtari
06-11-2012, 09:01 AM
No, I'm Indigenous to the Balkans. :)
I2a2a originated in eastern europe

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 09:12 AM
I2a2a originated in eastern europe


Haplogroup I2a is characterized by the genetic Marker P37.02, which appeared for the first time 15,000 years ago. It originated in the Balkans, where it is most widely distributed yet today.

Haplogroup I2a distinguishes itself from other tribes that sought in the Balkans a refuge from the ice sheet during the Ice Age. As one of the few original tribes, they survived the Ice Age and expanded into Romania, Poland, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

The hard environmental conditions during the Ice Age led to a drastic decrease of the human population and the genetic diversity of Europe.

So I2a originates in the Balkans and then spread out, but my ancestors remained.

Ushtari
06-11-2012, 09:20 AM
There is also a high concentration of I2a2a in north-east Romania, Moldova and western Ukraine. In 2010 has Ken Nordtvedt argued that I2a1b1 is too young not to have been a result of a sudden expansion.[16] According to him I2a1b1 arose not earlier than 2500 years ago in Eastern Europe. He has presumed this to be a consequence from the Slavic invasion of the Balkans, from the area north-east of the Carpathians since 500 CE.[17] In 2011 Nordtvedt has confirmed I2a1b1 is not older than 2,800 years.[18] In his last comments about Haplogroup I tree and the conjectured spread map, he locates the start of the I2a1b1 lineage around the middle course of the Vistula.[19]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I2_(Y-DNA)

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 09:30 AM
I would rather believe the information given to me by professionals then Wikipedia.

Panopticon
06-11-2012, 09:52 AM
I would rather believe the information given to me by professionals then Wikipedia.

The page cites Ken Nordtvedt who is a professional. Quite brilliant credentials; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Nordtvedt

The information you quote isn't about your specific haplogroup, which developed some 2800 years ago maximum, it's for the original I2a/I2 haplogroup, which is about 15k-17k years old. I2a/I2 originally took refuge in the Balkans during the Ice Age and moved out after the Ice Age.

Later on, subclades such as I2a2/I2a1b1 developed, but they're two separate things. Basically, I2a is the ancestor of I2a2 of which I2a2/I2a1b1 developed out of. The former (I2a) developed from haplogroup I (which developed from haplogroup IJ some 25k-30k years ago) some 15k-17k years ago. Several subclades developed out of I2a, I2a2/I2a1b1 being one of them developed for no more than 2800 years ago.

There is some confusion here due to the information being about your haplogroup but not your specific subclade.

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 10:06 AM
So are you saying it is Slavic?

Panopticon
06-11-2012, 11:10 AM
So are you saying it is Slavic?

It probably is. And honestly, there's nothing wrong with that.

Kanuni
06-11-2012, 11:31 AM
There might be a link between I2/or I in general with the Atlanto-Baltic component.


It is interesting that Gok4, the Swedish Megalithic TRB female belongs to the Atlantic_Baltic and Near_East components, while the two major Y-chromosome haplogroups associated with West European Neolithic sites so far are I2a1 and G2a (Treilles and Dolmen of La Pierre Fritte) whose distribution very well parallels these two components: Atlantic_Baltic/I2a1 in Europe, and Near_East/G2a in the Near East.

Source (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/assessing-neolithic-europeans-with.html)

It is logical IMO,if haplogroup I is native European marker.

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 01:36 PM
People who have been tested to be of the same sub-clade as me.

I2a2a-M423-Din-S:

In Europe:
http://i49.tinypic.com/110ekk6.png

In the Balkans:
http://i45.tinypic.com/24b7rzd.png

And even a couple in the US:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2e1x4xy.png

They are all my distant cousins. :D

Duke
06-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Hehe, not surprising Vojink, Pennsylvania is Croatian center in US, and area around Krakow our supposed source before we came with barbarian invasions, also those spots in Bosnia are located on Croatian ethnic territory.

Congrats, your male ancestor was probably a Croat :D

Vojnik
06-11-2012, 01:52 PM
Hehe, not surprising Vojink, Pennsylvania is Croatian center in US, and area around Krakow our supposed source before we came with barbarian invasions, also those spots in Bosnia are located on Croatian ethnic territory.

Congrats, your male ancestor was probably a Croat :D

Ko zna :D. Maybe that could be the reason why I have this respect for Croatian people and nation. :)

Viljuska
06-11-2012, 06:59 PM
Congrats

Vojnik
08-13-2018, 12:34 PM
I have lost my kit number, username and forgotten the email address i used for my FTDNA account. Is all lost? :(

Bosniensis
08-13-2018, 12:36 PM
I have lost my kit number, username and forgotten the email address i used for my FTDNA account. Is all lost? :(

lol man... Kit number, username, and email address... that's too much xD

Vojnik
08-13-2018, 12:37 PM
lol man... Kit number, username, and email address... that's too much xD

Yes. I've changed alot of emails since. And all the usernames and kit numbers are gone. So frustrating.

I'll send them an email anyway. Maybe i can spit in a bag and send it to them to prove it.