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Jedthehumanoid
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm all for it....how about you lot?

skyhawk
06-13-2012, 09:33 PM
I think that people should have the right to end their lives when they choose TBH

If we have an animal that is in tremendous pain through illness or injury , with prospects that are terrible ,we do the " humane " thing and put them out of their misery

People in the same boat are forced to endure the agony and angst without being given the same option just seems like an exercise in cruelty and lunacy to me.

Even people who are not in dire circumstances should,imo, have the right to end their lives if they choose.

Breedingvariety
06-13-2012, 09:49 PM
I'm all for it....how about you lot?
I'm strongly for euthanasia, even to people who want to commit suicide, but especially for sick and old.

"Zeit zu leben und Zeit zu sterben" "A Time to Love and a Time to Die" Erich Maria Remarque



VOLUNTARY DEATH

Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: "Die at the right time!

Die at the right time: so teacheth Zarathustra.

To be sure, he who never liveth at the right time, how could he ever die at the right time? Would that he might never be born!--Thus do I advise the superfluous ones.

But even the superfluous ones make much ado about their death, and even the hollowest nut wanteth to be cracked.

Every one regardeth dying as a great matter: but as yet death is not a festival. Not yet have people learned to inaugurate the finest festivals.

The consummating death I show unto you, which becometh a stimulus and promise to the living.

His death, dieth the consummating one triumphantly, surrounded by hoping and promising ones.

Thus should one learn to die; and there should be no festival at which such a dying one doth not consecrate the oaths of the living!

Thus to die is best; the next best, however, is to die in battle, and sacrifice a great soul.

But to the fighter equally hateful as to the victor, is your grinning death which stealeth nigh like a thief,--and yet cometh as master.

My death, praise I unto you, the voluntary death, which cometh unto me because I want it.

And when shall I want it?--He that hath a goal and an heir, wanteth death at the right time for the goal and the heir.

And out of reverence for the goal and the heir, he will hang up no more withered wreaths in the sanctuary of life.

Verily, not the rope-makers will I resemble: they lengthen out their cord, and thereby go ever backward.

Many a one, also, waxeth too old for his truths and triumphs; a toothless mouth hath no longer the right to every truth.

And whoever wanteth to have fame, must take leave of honour betimes, and practise the difficult art of--going at the right time.

One must discontinue being feasted upon when one tasteth best: that is known by those who want to be long loved.

Sour apples are there, no doubt, whose lot is to wait until the last day of autumn: and at the same time they become ripe, yellow, and shrivelled.

In some ageth the heart first, and in others the spirit. And some are hoary in youth, but the late young keep long young.

To many men life is a failure; a poison-worm gnaweth at their heart. Then let them see to it that their dying is all the more a success.

Many never become sweet; they rot even in the summer. It is cowardice that holdeth them fast to their branches.

Far too many live, and far too long hang they on their branches. Would that a storm came and shook all this rottenness and worm-eatenness from the tree!

Would that there came preachers of SPEEDY death! Those would be the appropriate storms and agitators of the trees of life! But I hear only slow death preached, and patience with all that is "earthly."

Ah! ye preach patience with what is earthly? This earthly is it that hath too much patience with you, ye blasphemers!

Verily, too early died that Hebrew whom the preachers of slow death honour: and to many hath it proved a calamity that he died too early.

As yet had he known only tears, and the melancholy of the Hebrews, together with the hatred of the good and just--the Hebrew Jesus: then was he seized with the longing for death.

Had he but remained in the wilderness, and far from the good and just! Then, perhaps, would he have learned to live, and love the earth--and laughter also!

Believe it, my brethren! He died too early; he himself would have disavowed his doctrine had he attained to my age! Noble enough was he to disavow!

But he was still immature. Immaturely loveth the youth, and immaturely also hateth he man and earth. Confined and awkward are still his soul and the wings of his spirit.

But in man there is more of the child than in the youth, and less of melancholy: better understandeth he about life and death.

Free for death, and free in death; a holy Naysayer, when there is no longer time for Yea: thus understandeth he about death and life.

That your dying may not be a reproach to man and the earth, my friends: that do I solicit from the honey of your soul.

In your dying shall your spirit and your virtue still shine like an evening after-glow around the earth: otherwise your dying hath been unsatisfactory.

Thus will I die myself, that ye friends may love the earth more for my sake; and earth will I again become, to have rest in her that bore me.

Verily, a goal had Zarathustra; he threw his ball. Now be ye friends the heirs of my goal; to you throw I the golden ball.

Best of all, do I see you, my friends, throw the golden ball! And so tarry I still a little while on the earth--pardon me for it!

Thus spake Zarathustra.
"Thus Spake Zarathustra" By Friedrich Nietzsche
http://nietzsche.classicauthors.net/zarathustra/zarathustra22.html

Strawberry
06-13-2012, 10:00 PM
I think it should be allowed.. I dont understand why it's illegal, the government will benefit from it anyway.

Fortis in Arduis
06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
OetL1SaONj0

Youth in Asia? :confused:

GeistFaust
06-13-2012, 10:20 PM
I believe that older people and elderly people should be treated with the utmost respect given what they have contributed and produced for the community. They should be cared for and taken care of appropriately, and given a kindly, warm, and merciful exit from the world, which I don't think should end in death.

I mean if you have made it this far I don't see why you would to be killed at all, and I would worry that someone would claim they wanted to die, but its claim they made up.

Then because they are in custody of the individual they will have him killed off because he is a burden, and frankly sometimes people seem too controlling of the elderly, although they certainly do need the aid at times. I personally believe that the elderly should be taken care of, but as for eugenics are true unfit individuals I would consider this as a possibility, but only in so far as it embraced positive eugenics.

Breedingvariety
06-13-2012, 10:33 PM
I believe that older people and elderly people should be treated with the utmost respect given what they have contributed and produced for the community. They should be cared for and taken care of appropriately, and given a kindly, warm, and merciful exit from the world, which I don't think should end in death.

I mean if you have made it this far I don't see why you would to be killed at all, and I would worry that someone would claim they wanted to die, but its claim they made up.

Then because they are in custody of the individual they will have him killed off because he is a burden, and frankly sometimes people seem too controlling of the elderly, although they certainly do need the aid at times. I personally believe that the elderly should be taken care of, but as for eugenics are true unfit individuals I would consider this as a possibility, but only in so far as it embraced positive eugenics.
You have never been in contact with misery of old age, have you?

What about people signing a legal document to allow their euthanasia once conditions have been met. For example, when they loose their mind, or if they haven't lost their mind- once they say so.

Jedthehumanoid
06-14-2012, 07:26 AM
OetL1SaONj0

Youth in Asia? :confused:

The following user says thank you to Fortis in Arduis for this useful post.

Jedthehumanoid:wink

Skandi
06-14-2012, 07:32 AM
I remember my Great Grandmother dying of cancer, she knew it was terminal, knew it was going to take all her dignity (she was a nurse) she asked for the family to leave the pills, but no we didn't. took the doctors advice and kept her alive, eventually she lost her mind, the best thing that could have happened tbh.
We all made a pact then, if ANY of us get into the same situation the tablets will be left in easy reach, or another method provided.
I would never let an animal in my care suffer so, so why on Earth should a human have to

Contra Mundum
06-14-2012, 07:34 AM
I remember my Great Grandmother dying of cancer, she knew it was terminal, knew it was going to take all her dignity (she was a nurse) she asked for the family to leave the pills, but no we didn't. took the doctors advice and kept her alive, eventually she lost her mind, the best thing that could have happened tbh.
We all made a pact then, if ANY of us get into the same situation the tablets will be left in easy reach, or another method provided.
I would never let an animal in my care suffer so, so why on Earth should a human have to

Great post.

Aces High
06-14-2012, 02:37 PM
Why do people always look for the government to grant permision for them to do things...?
I find this strange and sheeplike.

If im going to die a long drawn out death then ill kill myself,i dont need the fucking governments permission.

Ever heard of free will...????

Kazimiera
06-14-2012, 02:55 PM
I am for euthanasia but within very controlled circumstances.

If someone is terminally ill and they wish to end their lives before they have to live in pain and lose their personal dignity then I am definitely for it.

I am against euthanasia in people who depressed. Euthanasia is not for those who are having problems because a partner left them or they feel depressed because they cannot find work. These are circumstances which can be reversed and not a valid excuse for suicide. Depression and mental illness can be controlled with medication and other means.

For people who have been severely injured and maimed, like in the case of burnings or acid attacks where the person suffers from severe scarring, especially facially, which will impact their lives severely, I think such requests could be considered depending on the case.

Euthanasia must be the person's own decision, and not made for them by family members who can't wait to get their hands on their inheritance.

Contra Mundum
06-14-2012, 05:05 PM
Why do people always look for the government to grant permision for them to do things...?
I find this strange and sheeplike.

If im going to die a long drawn out death then ill kill myself,i dont need the fucking governments permission.

Ever heard of free will...????

I agree, but a doctor could assist in doing it in the least painless and messy way.

GeistFaust
06-14-2012, 05:11 PM
You have never been in contact with misery of old age, have you?

What about people signing a legal document to allow their euthanasia once conditions have been met. For example, when they loose their mind, or if they haven't lost their mind- once they say so.


Sure I have met some individuals in older life, who are beyond miserable and when they lose their mind, but this is just the natural course of life. If they want to end it then that is fine, but I sure would not want nothing to do with it, because I think we should have more respect for our elders instead of killing them off.

I think that we should maybe apply such a method to them if they request it, but if not I don't see any reason why to do it, so if things get bad enough then maybe signing a legal document would be fine. Euthanasia has never interested me, and I think people overplay its necessity when it really does not have any true social or cultural impact.

Now trying to maintain, lock up, and mitigate the spread of mentally diseased individuals, such as psychologically insane and mentally disabled individuals needs to be addressed. Racial fitness cannot be achieved with such individuals as these roaming around in society, and they must be confined to a certain "space," which is segregated from society, plus I believe sterilization ought to be applied to them readily.

Aces High
06-14-2012, 08:43 PM
I agree, but a doctor could assist in doing it in the least painless and messy way.

Like this.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=455_1308206224

Breedingvariety
06-17-2012, 02:47 PM
Like this.
"Free for death, and free in death; a holy Naysayer, when there is no longer time for Yea: thus understandeth he about death and life." Friedrich Nietzsche

Quorra
06-17-2012, 02:50 PM
Yes I support it very much.

PetiteParisienne
06-17-2012, 03:02 PM
I support it.

rhiannon
06-17-2012, 03:35 PM
Pro.

Quorra
06-17-2012, 07:53 PM
Sure I have met some individuals in older life, who are beyond miserable and when they lose their mind, but this is just the natural course of life. If they want to end it then that is fine, but I sure would not want nothing to do with it, because I think we should have more respect for our elders instead of killing them off.

I think that we should maybe apply such a method to them if they request it, but if not I don't see any reason why to do it, so if things get bad enough then maybe signing a legal document would be fine. Euthanasia has never interested me, and I think people overplay its necessity when it really does not have any true social or cultural impact.

Now trying to maintain, lock up, and mitigate the spread of mentally diseased individuals, such as psychologically insane and mentally disabled individuals needs to be addressed. Racial fitness cannot be achieved with such individuals as these roaming around in society, and they must be confined to a certain "space," which is segregated from society, plus I believe sterilization ought to be applied to them readily.

You are talking about forced euthanasia. I believe thread is about voluntary euthanasia. It can also apply to severely disabled people.

Sturmgewehr
06-17-2012, 08:25 PM
PRO...........

Barreldriver
06-18-2012, 01:38 AM
The subject of Euthanasia. A topic most fitting for the philosophy section no? :p

Regardless I shall play along.

Suffering, it is culturally universal that this is undesired regardless of how humans repeatedly fail at preventing it.

Regardless of one's specific moral philosophy (whether deontological or teleological) the perpetuation of suffering is generally frowned upon (stress generally as there undoubtedly would be those in the fringe with sociopath tendencies who would take pleasure in suffering). Euthanasia provides a permanent solution to some instances of suffering as such I would think it an appropriate option to be exercised as one sees fit for their own person.

arcticwolf
06-18-2012, 01:48 AM
I am for it provided that it's the decision of the one to die, not a doctor's or anyone else. If man wishes to die and is unable to do it himself I am for helping him out. We do it for our pets and we don't even have their approval, we should extend our compassion to human beings.