[SPLIT] M'Bala M'Bala

[Mesrine]

Did you vote today

Yes, I voted for this anti-Zionist list in my Ile-de-France region.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9655/affichedieudo20092.jpg

[Loki]

Yes, I voted for this anti-Zionist list in my Ile-de-France region.


Very good! I noticed that Paris was overrun with Jews last time I was there. I couldn't find any decent French food, only kosher stuff everywhere I looked.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes, I voted for this anti-Zionist list in my Ile-de-France region.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9655/affichedieudo20092.jpg
Interesting-- a group led by Muslims.
Very sensible vote...:rolleyes:

[Phlegethon]

Muslims like Alain Soral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral)?

[Beorn]

Interesting-- a group led by Muslims.
Very sensible vote...:rolleyes:

France is a Muslim country. What else do you expect?

[Mesrine]

Interesting-- a group led by Muslims.
Very sensible vote...:rolleyes:

This leader of this list, Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, is Atheist.



France is a Muslim country. What else do you expect?


1) France's constitution is Laic, religions were relegated in the private sphere long ago.

2) Sarkozy, Kouchner, Attali, the media bosses, banksters... are all Muslims, it's a well-known fact.

3) England surely doesn't have any Muslims either...

[Beorn]

Yes, Sarkozy, Kouchner, Attali, the media bosses, banksters... are all Muslims, it's a well-known fact.

I wasn't talking about them. :rolleyes::)


And England surely doesn't have any Muslims either...

A few in power, but they seem to be intent on killing people with cars and serving paltry sentences.
We have Muslims in our country. Usually coming through from that security tight nation of yours.

Thanks for that btw.

[Mesrine]

We have Muslims in our country. Usually coming through from that security tight nation of yours.

Thanks for that btw.

You mean that Pakistanis came through France, because their country was a French colony?

[Loki]

When M'Bala M'Bala comes to power, please remind him to close down Sangatte.

[Beorn]

You mean that Pakistanis came through France, because their country was a French colony?

What's Britain and France's colonial history got to with it?

[Mesrine]

What's Britain and France's colonial history got to with it?

Well, the millions Muslims you have in your country came mostly from your old colonies, not from Sangatte.

[The Lawspeaker]

Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, is Atheist.
The name says enough- he shouldn't be in France.
And anyone supporting a group that is working from the shadows to destroy Europe will be treated with nothing but contempt from my side.

[Phlegethon]

Like Sarkozy, another non-French name?

[The Lawspeaker]

The detail is in the devil here too: if there was any justice in this world most of the Muslims here would have no right to be here (Turkey) as they were never colonized or plague France or Spain (Morocco, Lebanon and the like).

Heck it would still be better if they could (irrespective of what hellhole they call home) sod off and return to their hellholes.
We don't want or need them and most certainly don't need parties led by people with a questionable background stirring us away from the real issue and blaming it all on the Jews.

[Beorn]

Well, the millions Muslims you have in your country came mostly from your old colonies, not from Sangatte.

Ah, yes, agreed. The ones we do get from you are overspill. I really wish you French would do something more 'decisive' about the dog muck laying on your front door mat.

[Mesrine]

The name says enough- he shouldn't be in France.

You don't have your word to say about who should be in France, since you're not French. M'bala M'bala is.



And anyone supporting a group that is working from the shadows to destroy Europe

"Europe"? What is that, a country?



will be treated with nothing but contempt from my side.

Your contempt will never prevent anybody to move forward.

[Beorn]

since you're not French. M'bala M'bala is.

Hmm?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Dieudonne2.jpg/180px-Dieudonne2.jpg

[Loki]

... you're not French. M'bala M'bala is.


Charlemagne, I tell you!

http://marucha.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dieudonne.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

You don't have your word to say about who should be in France, since you're not French.
O.K do me a favor: get the hell out of Schengen and the EU then because your Muslimfreundlichkeit kills my country. Anyways- read my profile. I guess that even I am more French then he is. At least by blood (a passport is a joke)


M'bala M'bala is.
Bretons are no French.. and as far as I know: neither are Cameroonians






"Europe"? What is that, a country?
No- it's a continent and a community we are all supposed to be part of.





Your contempt will never prevent anybody to move forward.
Supporting a chap like him will do neither. Let me be blunt: where I come from we have a word for people that support invaders.
We call them traitors.

[Phlegethon]

Technically Charlemagne was a Frank, not a Frenchman. And Dieudonné is a Breton.

[The Lawspeaker]

Technically Charlemagne was a Frank, not a Frenchman. And Dieudonné is a Breton.
Bretons are a people trapped in France. They are technically only French by passport. They are as French as Scots are English.


Right everyone:

Who has some tar and feathers ?

[Loki]

Dieudonné is a Breton.

Yes I know, and Seal is a German.

http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Seal.Heidi.Klum.pregnant.jpg

:coffee:

[Mesrine]

Anyways- read my profile. I guess that even I am more French then he is. At least by blood (a passport is a joke)

Nah. Blood is a joke. You're a wannabe-French, that's all.



Bretons are no French..

That's a ridiculous statement. Bretagne is French since 1532.



and as far as I know: neither are Cameroonians

M'bala M'bala is French.



Supporting a chap like him will do neither. Let me be blunt: where I come from we have a word for people that support invaders.
We call them traitors.

He's not an invader, he was born and raised here. Oh the big impression, being called "a traitor" by an internet warrior. :D



Bretons are a people trapped in France. They are technically only French by passport. They are as French as Scots are English.

You claim to be "more French than M'bala M'bala" and you don't even know the French conception of nationality... :rolleyes:

[SwordoftheVistula]

I can see that the larger nationalist parties are not perfect, and the smaller ones might have some appeal, but if you don't vote or vote for some party that has no chance of getting a seat then it's pointless, whereas if you vote for a larger nationalist party like the BNP or NF then at least those parties will have a platform and some legitimacy in the eyes of the public if they win seats

[Skandi]

Nah. Blood is a joke. You're a wannabe-French, that's all.
M'bala M'bala is French.

He's not an invader, he was born and raised here. Oh the big impression, being called "a traitor" by an internet warrior. :D

If you believe that being born in a country gives you the right to that ethnicity, and that ancestry is a joke then I fear you are on the wrong board.


You claim to be "more French than M'bala M'bala" and you don't even know the French conception of nationality... :rolleyes:
It would appear that you do not value your country's heritage, or future.

[The Lawspeaker]

Nah. Blood is a joke. You're a wannabe-French, that's all.
Au contraire. I am very proud to be Dutch. My ancestors knew why they fled.





That's a ridiculous statement. Bretagne is French since 1532.
Doesn't make 'em French. Neither are the French Netherlands btw just because Louis XIV nicked them from the Spanish Netherlands.





M'bala M'bala is French.
Yes- very French. As French as the Congo River.





He's not an invader, he was born and raised here. Oh the big impression,
Very well. He is second generation invader.


being called "a traitor" by an internet warrior. :D
I know- truth is harsh. Get out !





You claim to be "more French than M'bala M'bala" and you don't even know the French conception of nationality... :rolleyes:
By blood I am. And the French nationality law is absurd because it is based on jus soli. Meaning that any idiot born on French soil is French even though he/she may not have a drop of French blood.
Hence the reason why I am very glad with jus sanguinis.

[Brännvin]

"Europe"? What is that, a country?

Possibly a phoenician princess, alright? ;)

[Phlegethon]

Yes I know, and Seal is a German.

If he had a German mother that at least would be debatable. But he does not and does not even live here, so your argument does not hold water.

[Mesrine]

If you believe that being born in a country gives you the right to that ethnicity

Ius solis is indeed included in our nationality code.



and that ancestry is a joke then I fear you are on the wrong board.

I said blood is a joke. Blood doesn't carry any "ancestry" (whatever that means), values or language, it only carries oxygen.



It would appear that you do not value your country's heritage, or future.

On the contrary, I value it more than you could imagine. Our values are Republican and Universalist, since the French Revolution.

While my country will always have a future, I'm afraid that people with a racial fetish don't have much.

[Loki]

If he had a German mother that at least would be debatable. But he does not and does not even live here, so your argument does not hold water.

Well he's married to a German woman, so I guess he can get his hands onto a German passport. And his kids would be German if they live in Germany, eh? :) Maybe they could become active in the NPD one day, if they hate Jews enough.

[Mesrine]

Doesn't make 'em French. Neither are the French Netherlands btw just because Louis XIV nicked them from the Spanish Netherlands.

Your biased and ignorant opinion just isn't enough to make them Breton, sorry. Au suivant.



I know- truth is harsh.

Indeed, you seem to know that truth is harsh, that's why you hide behind such a thick layer of nonsense.



Get out !

I don't obbey orders. Even less e-orders.



By blood I am.

No you aren't, because there is no such thing as "French blood". French language, culture, state, values, cuisine, yes... blood, nah.



And the French nationality law is absurd because it is based on jus soli.

Blame it on your lack of knowledge. French nationality code is based both on ius solis and ius sanguinis. If you are born anywhere in the world but one of your parents is French, then you have the French nationality by right. This could be your case, even if you don't speak a word of French. I'd say ius sanguinis sucks in that case.



Meaning that any idiot born on French soil is French even though he/she may not have a drop of French blood.

That's the law. What's more idiotic? Law or an insignificant e-opinion?

[SwordoftheVistula]

I said blood is a joke. Blood doesn't carry any "ancestry" (whatever that means)

Yeah it does, it's called DNA.

Or do you think human behavior has absolutely no basis whatsoever in genetics?


I'm afraid that people with a racial fetish don't have much.

You mean China? Odds are, they will dominate the world in the next century.

[The Lawspeaker]

Your biased and ignorant opinion just isn't enough to make them Breton, sorry. Au suivant.
They have a language of their own, a culture of their own and ethnicity of their own. All three are being eroded though but it is still enough to make them a people.





No you aren't, because there is no such thing as "French blood". French language, culture, state, values, cuisine, yes... blood, nah.
Alright- let's call it ethnicity. And yes "French blood" does exist. Genes are passed on through DNA.





Blame it on your lack of knowledge. French nationality code is based both on ius solis and ius sanguinis. If you are born anywhere in the world but one of your parents is French, then you have the French nationality by right. This could be your case, even if you don't speak a word of French. I'd say ius sanguinis sucks in that case.
Thank you- as I was always under the impression that it was ius solis. Ius solis is still a stupid principle that should be abandoned as soon as possible.
And no- I am very glad with my own nationality. My grandfather still spoke French- my mother hardly spoke it and it wasn't even enough to help me with my devoirs. Hence the reason why I failed.:D





That's the law. What's more idiotic? Law or an insignificant e-opinion?
Laws can be stupid if based on wrong ideas on the wrong moment. France during Napoleon certainly was a wrong moment.

[Mesrine]

Yeah it does, it's called DNA.

Or do you think human behavior has absolutely no basis whatsoever in genetics?

No human language, culture or mentality is encoded in DNA. BTW, you share 98 or 99% of it with chimps.



You mean China? Odds are, they will dominate the world in the next century.

Since when the Chinese are racialists? Did you just made it up?

[The Lawspeaker]

No human language, culture or mentality is encoded in DNA. BTW, you share 98 or 99% of it with chimps.
Then explain why children take after their parents. I wasn't raised by my father but as years seem to pass I seem be more and more like him. Gee- I wonder why...:rolleyes:


Since when the Chinese are racialists? Did you just made it up?
Alright- some will murder me for this, but follow my advise: date a Chinese girl.
I did--- and it was pretty hard to get into the family as a non-Chinese. I can assure you that it will be hard for you !
Europeans are perhaps the one race on the planet that is conditioned not to believe in racialism of any kind.

[Beorn]

No human language, culture or mentality is encoded in DNA. BTW, you share 98 or 99% of it with chimps.

It seems France has at least 99.5% in some areas.

[Mesrine]

They have a language of their own, a culture of their own and ethnicity of their own.

Wrong. Bretons speak French. Or maybe they all suddenly speak French to please my ears when I go there.


[quote]All three are being eroded though but it is still enough to make them a people.

Ridiculous. It's like saying I'm Gaulish because my ancestors of 2000 years ago spoke a Gaulish dialect.



Alright- let's call it ethnicity. And yes "French blood" does exist.

What qualifies this "French blood"? Is it a haplotype, a blood type?



Genes are passed on through DNA.

Since the first modern Humans were form the Horn of Africa, then we all are Horners, following this logic.



Alright- some will murder me for this, but follow my advise: date a Chinese girl.
I did--- and it was pretty hard to get into the family as a non-Chinese. I can assure that it will be hard for you !

That's not racialism, it's called xenophobia, endogamy.



It seems France has at least 99.5% in some areas.

Nice effort, but no one can beat the English on this ground.

http://marketingjunkie.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chavs-on-holiday.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

That's not racialism, it's called xenophobia, endogamy.


Then you are wrong. Because my former inlaws had been living in the country for a long, long time. I think they were second generation. Or third. I should ask her one day.

They have no problems with westerners whatsoever, hell they live among them here but they keep to their own kind. It's racialism because they want to preserve themselves and their culture. I was lucky because I used to be into Asian culture when I was a teenager.

[Beorn]

Nice effort, but no one can beat England on this ground.

Are you sure? As close as those lads look like apes to you, it seems you must be essentially a zoo in France.

http://marucha.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dieudonne.jpg

[Mesrine]

Then you are wrong. Because my former inlaws had been living in the country for a long, long time. I think they were second generation. Or third. I should ask her one day.

They have no problems with westerners whatsoever, hell they live among them here but they keep to their own kind. It's racialism because they want to preserve themselves and their culture. I was lucky because I used to be into Asian culture when I was a teenager.

It's endogamy, and it's primarily cultural. I don't think they have any theory on the superiority of the Sinid race.



Are you sure? As close as those lads look like apes to you, it seems you must be essentially a zoo in France.

You are the one who lives in a zoo, because this look like apes.

http://glasto.biz/site/images/stories/news_images/prodigy.jpg

[Loki]

M'Bala M'Bala was one of the mob who demonstrated against the Mohammed cartoons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/February_11,_2006_Parisian_protest_against_the_pub lication_of_caricatures_of_Muhammad) in 2006 in Paris.

The guy seems to be basically the French version of Louis Farrakhan, with the difference that he likes his women white.

[The Lawspeaker]

It's endogamy, and it's primarily cultural. I don't think they have any theory on the superiority of the Sinid race.
Racialism is indeed part of their culture. As is it part of most cultures around the world (or at least in Asia). Try Japan, Korea.. Thailand.
We are the only ones that have been forced open (apart perhaps for Brazil where it is a tradition) and that's only recent. Less then 40 years ago we were just as racialist.

Anyways- I am off. We'll continue this tomorrow.
That is- if the boss hasn't kicked you out by then ^^

[Beorn]

You are the one who lives in a zoo, because this look like apes.

Difference being of course is that whereas you consider M'Bala to be French, I do not consider the non-White lads of prodigy to be English.

As much as our dear Phleggy likes to confuse matters, the real land of the Apes resides firmly next door to him. Your lovely Muslim nation. :)

[Mesrine]

Racialism is indeed part of their culture. As is it part of most cultures around the world (or at least in Asia). Try Japan, Korea.. Thailand.

I have no desire to copy these cultures.



We are the only ones that have been forced open (apart perhaps for Brazil where it is a tradition) and that's only recent.

You forgot the whole Latin America, the USA, Canada, Australia, Russia, the Muslim world...



Less then 40 years ago we were just as racialist.

We were racially more homogenous, but we never were racialists (except in Germany for a short amount of time).

[Mesrine]

Difference being of course is that whereas you consider M'Bala to be French, I do not consider the non-White lads of prodigy to be English.

I'm speaking of the guy in the front, with the green "hair". He's surely of your race. :D



As much as our dear Phleggy likes to confuse matters, the real land of the Apes resides firmly next door to him. Your lovely Muslim nation. :)

I live in a Laic country, you live in an Anglicano-Judeo-Muslim state.



M'Bala M'Bala was one of the mob who demonstrated against the Mohammed cartoons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/February_11,_2006_Parisian_protest_against_the_pub lication_of_caricatures_of_Muhammad) in 2006 in Paris.

I don't see him.



The guy seems to be basically the French version of Louis Farrakhan, with the difference that he likes his women white.

He's anti-communautarian, therefore he's the opposite of this Louis Farrakhan.

[Beorn]

I'm speaking of the guy on the front, with the green "hair". He's surely of your race. :D

The English can be 'odd' at times.


I live in a Laic country, you live in an Anglicano-Judeo-Muslim state.We both live in a Judeo-Muslim state. I acknowledge the problem and seek to do my best to correct it. You seem to embrace it. Why?

[Loki]

I don't see him.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonné_M'bala_M'bala#2002-2006



Demonstrating shoulder to shoulder with Islamists, he also marched on 11 February 2006 in the Parisian demonstration against the Muhammad cartoons and traveled at the end of August 2006 with Châtillon, Meyssan and Soral in Lebanon, to meet MPs and fighters of the Hezbollah.

[Mesrine]

We both live in a Judeo-Muslim state. I acknowledge the problem and seek to do my best to correct.

What do you do to correct it?



You seem to embrace it. Why?

Wrong. I certainly do not embrace theocracy or foreign Zionist rule. But I don't think descendants of immigrants are our enemies either. I also think people who dream of reconquista are highly delusional.

[Mesrine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonné_M'bala_M'bala#2002-2006

From the same source:


During the years 2005 and 2006, M'bala M'bala was often in the company of the senior Front National members Bruno Gollnisch, Frédéric Châtillon, and Marc George (also known as Marc Robert), the man who would conduct his electoral campaigns in 2007 and 2009. M'bala M'bala also frequently appeared together with the conspiracy theorist Thierry Meyssan and the former Marxist and current right-wing radical Alain Soral, a confidant of Marine and Jean-Marie Le Pen. Under the influence of Soral's writings and polemics, M'bala M'bala was acquainted with his militant antisemitism of French nationalist inspiration.

http://www.gala.fr/var/gal/storage/images/media/images/actu/photos_officiel/dieudonne_et_jean-marie_le_pen/653704-1-fre-FR/dieudonne_et_jean-marie_le_pen_reference.jpg

[Loki]

From the same source:


What's so great about hanging out with old Nazis and anti-Semites?

[Mesrine]

What's so great about hanging out with old Nazis and anti-Semites?

Le Pen never was a Nazi. He's not even anti-Semite.

[Loki]

Le Pen never was a Nazi. He's not even anti-Semite.

LOL. Ok have fun mate, I'm off to bed.

[Brännvin]

I have no desire to copy these cultures.


Well me neither, but not try to impose their superior moral to others, something you are trying desperately here, Sav relax this is just a forum ;)

[Beorn]

What do you do to correct it?

On the grand scheme of things? Not much, but I am only a mere man and a man that is near the bottom rung in life. Everything I do is merely a droplets ripple, but a ripple it is nonetheless.

One thing I make sure to do is partake in elections and financially support my chosen party; I ensure my children are raised in safe, secure and loving homes, with an onus upon educating and establishing within them their sense of identity and history....and it goes on.

I know I am in the minority, but the winds of change are happening, as can be seen by tonight's wonderful results.


But I don't think descendants of immigrants are our enemies either.

How so? You are comfortable in being replaced by what is essentially a backwards, fascist worshipping people from the rest of the worlds basement nations?

What is wrong with you?

I can accept perhaps you can identify 'others' threat over the immigrants, but to outright deem them as a non-threat is delusional.


I also think people who dream of reconquista are highly delusional.

Of course. It's never going to happen, but we can certainly stem the tide and make sure numerous numbers are repatriated and settled back from whence they came from.

[Mesrine]

Well me neither, but not try to impose their superior moral to others, something you are trying desperately here, Sav relax this is just a forum ;)

I'm precisely here to relax, Balder. ;)



How so? You are comfortable in being replaced by what is essentially a backwards, fascist worshipping people from the rest of the worlds basement nations?

We're not being replaced, it's an exaggeration, but our countries are undergoing a mutation, but it's not the first time in history. While I'm not too comfortable in front of this unprecedented situation (a noticeable number of my compatriots are Muslims, wich is a novelty in my country's long history), I don't think racial apartheid or reconquista are solutions either.



I can accept perhaps you can identify 'others' threat over the immigrants, but to outright deem them as a non-threat is delusional.

Hierarchization of threats is vital. Anyway, British or French citizens, no matter their origin, should no longer be considered as "immigrants". Only their grandparents were.



Of course. It's never going to happen, but we can certainly stem the tide and make sure numerous numbers are repatriated and settled back from whence they came from.

People who already are citizens of our countries will never be stripped of their nationality, and never be "repatriated". Illegal immigrants are another thing, though.

[Beorn]

Hierarchization of threats is vital. Anyway, British or French citizens, no matter their origin, should no longer be considered as "immigrants". Only their grandparents were.

I can agree with that. But the ever ethnic purist within me keeps seething away nonetheless.

I should add that I am very comfortable with immigrants and their descendents claiming the British mantle, as I have no passion to claim it as mine and see it for the multicultural tag it really is.

[SwordoftheVistula]

You forgot the whole Latin America,

Similar to the old South Africa, Latin America has a wealthy white landowning class, an indian peasant class, and a bunch of mixed races in between.


the USA

Racially based until the 1960s


Canada

Similar, but not quite as much so



Australia

Racially based until the 1970s



Russia

Officially no, but strong racialist movements



the Muslim world

Officially not racialist, but many are. For example, muslims from south asia and the pacific who work in muslim Persian Gulf countries basically have no rights, and are sent home when they are done working.





From the same source:



http://www.gala.fr/var/gal/storage/images/media/images/actu/photos_officiel/dieudonne_et_jean-marie_le_pen/653704-1-fre-FR/dieudonne_et_jean-marie_le_pen_reference.jpg

Why not go with the real deal, and vote NF?


I also think people who dream of reconquista are highly delusional.


People who already are citizens of our countries will never be stripped of their nationality, and never be "repatriated".

50 years ago anyone who predicted the current state affairs was called 'delusional'

[Aemma]

Technically Charlemagne was a Frank, not a Frenchman. And Dieudonné is a Breton.

Hmm ya sure, he looks like a typical Celt. :rolleyes:

Weren't we talking about Germans and Austrians last week Phleg? How is it that you're not making the same kind of argument here? :confused:


You claim to be "more French than M'bala M'bala" and you don't even know the French conception of nationality... :rolleyes:

Ah but therein lies the problem, how are you defining 'nationality' exactly? Would you be so kind as to spell out what this "French" conception might be please? I don't think that we're all quite on the same page when it comes to that word and its usage. Let's define it and its parameters first shall we? Then we can better debate the point I think.


Since when the Chinese are racialists?

What makes you say that they necessarily aren't? :confused:


It's endogamy, and it's primarily cultural. I don't think they have any theory on the superiority of the Sinid race.

But nobody else has brought in the 'superiority' word into this debate Mission of Mercy, so let's keep it out as it should be kept out. Nobody is making any kind of claims of superiority here as far as I have read. :)

[Psychonaut]

On the contrary, I value it more than you could imagine. Our values are Republican and Universalist, since the French Revolution.

Huh. I guess it was a really god thing that my ancestors left France when they did. We seem to have remained uninfected by the disease of universalism, and have retained an ethnic identity separate from our national identity. If M'Bala M'Bala is the future of French Nationalism, then you guys are going to turn into a Muslim nation a lot quicker than I'd previously suspected.

[Loki]

Let's ignore M'Bala M'Bala's ethnic origin for a minute. Even if he was a lily-white Frenchman of Frankish-Norman stock, I would still not support him. His politics suck!

What is he aiming for politically? It certainly isn't French nationalism. It seems the entire purpose of his political activity is to be anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. That is the sole aim of his organisation.

For genuine French nationalists, this should be a concern. Whilst I certainly don't like Israel, Jews, and Israeli policy against the Palestinians, it is not my overriding concern in the world. Ethnic nationalism should come first. If being anti-Jewish brings one ultimately to victory in that regard (which I strongly doubt), then so be it. But it should remain a means to an end, not an end in itself!

[Phlegethon]

It seems the entire purpose of his political activity is to be anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. That is the sole aim of his organisation.

Once again you are blowing up smoke grenades here. it is anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the ideology of Zionism. it really is quite easy to get, unless of course you have to job to obscure the facts. In fact there are lots of Jews who are anti-Zionist (far beyond the small Neturei Karta group) and far more Zionists and proto-Zionist outside than inside Israel. Most of them happen to be gentiles. Lots of them can be found within the BNP, PVV, Pro Köln, Pro NRW, Vlaams Belang, Dansk Folkeparti, FPÖ etc. pp.

[Loki]

Once again you are blowing up smoke grenades here. it is anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the ideology of Zionism. it really is quite easy to get, unless of course you have to job to obscure the facts. In fact there are lots of Jews who are anti-Zionist (far beyond the small Neturei Karta group) and far more Zionists and proto-Zionist outside than inside Israel. Most of them happen to be gentiles. Lots of them can be found within the BNP, PVV, Pro Köln, Pro NRW, Vlaams Belang, Dansk Folkeparti, FPÖ etc. pp.

You can equally apply Anti-Zionism to my previous post, the principle remains the same. How is Anti-Zionism the ultimate end goal for French nationalists?

[Phlegethon]

Dieudonné is not a French nationalist and unlikely to be mistaken for one. Nor is Galloway in Britain, but yet he has more grip on what is going wrong in the world than Nick Griffin.

The problem with France is that as a former colonial power there is no way back to the lily-white France of late absolutism. Therefore you have to work with what you have and what can be realistically achieved without a second St. Bartholomew Massacre of unknown proportions. The first step would be to get rid of political interest groups who are more concerned with the wellbeing of a corrupt and criminal state in the Near East than with their own people. And no matter whether you like it or not, the Zionist organized interest is the strongest in all western European countries. Without European money israel would have ceased to exist already in the early 1950s.

[Beorn]

You mean this George Galloway?

http://jewishinfonews.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mp_galloway.jpg

[Phlegethon]

No, I mean this one:

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[Beorn]

One and the same to be fair. Both are clowns.

I'm sure his opinions would be more suited to being spoken in the red leotard, as one does have to wonder how much of his cranky anti-Zionism; anti-Scottish independence; his hacking communist throw-ups; Palestinian wife hugging antics someone can take till he gets what he deserves.

The man is a wanker with a love affair for all that is Palestinian and Islamic.

:puke:

[Phlegethon]

I have seen all that is British and can perfectly understand him now. ;)

[Beorn]

I have seen all that is British and can perfectly understand him now. ;)

Meaning what exactly?

[Loki]

Well ... I have seen Galloway speak on a few occasions. He is a good orator, and one has to admire his energy and resilience. No doubt a lot of that is to gain media attention, but still ... he does have some points worth listening to.

[Atlas]

I definitely can't agree with what the original French poster said so far, especially to my friend Tristan.

HOWEVER this, coming from Alain Soral (a true Frenchman unlike MbalaMbala) is very interesting :


Break-up of Yugoslavia and France

Alain Soral believes that Yugoslavia was dismembered by the USA, which saw an opportunity to gain political ground and influence in Southern Europe by arming Albanian separatist movements in the Serbian province of Kosovo. A strategy seen previously in Afghanistan with American forces arming the Taliban against the Soviet Union in the late 80s[citation needed].
Alain Soral believes that community-ism in France could have a similar effect, if the French Republic fails to apply its prestigious 1905 Law of Separation of Church and State, which is enshrined in the French constitution.

According to a recent TV interview (Direct 8 / 88 minutes), Alain Soral stated; "that today, no-one was surprised to see French presidents, prime ministers and other high French political figures meet elusively with the Jewish representing body every year in Paris, meetings that go against the laws of France and send mixed signal to the Republic"
Alain Soral finished by stating that such a course could only push other minorities to form political religious movement in order to be heard[citation needed]. According to Soral, this would be a step likely to divide France into its various religious communities, which would then weaken the independence of the country.

You see, this coming from him is very good in my opinion, Soral is hated among the French kosher "elite" because he tells something embarassing on France and on the World.

Loki, if Dieudonné Mbala Mbala is French, then I am the Queen of England. I can't read such crap and shut up. He can take a single ticket to Cameroon.

A quote I remember from him :


I see the white people dying, all over the world, and this makes me smiles, after century of slavery, the revenge is finally coming...

And now he has Le Pen as a friend ? I guess that old fart is needing friends, because friends like that for a Europeans "preservasionist" is really embarassing.

[Brännvin]

I'm precisely here to relax, Balder. ;)

Well Sav! Not what it seems. ;)



While I'm not too comfortable in front of this unprecedented situation (a noticeable number of my compatriots are Muslims, wich is a novelty in my country's long history), I don't think racial apartheid or reconquista are solutions either.

Why do you feel uncomfortable? French Republic is very jacobinist to adapt itself to some another Ambramic religion such the Islam. I never expect this from you. The current bourgeois Jacobin elites of France will never accept an Islamization of French republic, at least if you are afraid of Sarkozy..

Why reconquista? Someone already dominated, when and where?

[SwordoftheVistula]

And now he has Le Pen as a friend ? I guess that old fart is needing friends, because friends like that for a Europeans "preservasionist" is really embarassing.

I've heard he has moved more to the center and become more of a civic nationalist in recent years, including using a nonwhite in an election poster.

This Mbala-Mbala is probably the best we can expect from nonwhites in France, but I don't see why any white person would vote for him. Likewise, I consider Zionists as the best of the jews, but I don't see any reason to actively support a zionist candidate when a white candidate is available.

[Atlas]

Now THAT is the best non-white can do in France :

http://www.flightnetwork.com/airlines/airfrance/images/airfrance.jpg

:)

[sturmwalkure]

Looks like a hit-and-run troll job.

http://i40.tinypic.com/1ftr46.jpg

I guess I was mistaken about Satyr/Savorgnan/Mission Of Mercy for the longest time. I didn't know he was against racial preservation of White nations until recently. I never picked up on that through his posts on Human Biodiversity, it wasn't until Anthroforum until I saw this side of him. He's no friend of true Nationalism. If he was he wouldn't support non-Whites in White countries and address them as 'French' or whatever nation they inhabit, if he was a true Nationalist he'd address them as the invaders they are. Even if they are born on French, Belgian, Austrian or whatever soil they're not parts of those nations.

[Groenewolf]

Very good! I noticed that Paris was overrun with Jews last time I was there. I couldn't find any decent French food, only kosher stuff everywhere I looked.

Indeed, it also are Jews that are harasing the women and girls in the subwaystations.


I've heard he has moved more to the center and become more of a civic nationalist in recent years, including using a nonwhite in an election poster.

It goes even beyond that (http://nationalisme.info/archieven/194-Islam-en-de-Nationale-Beweging.html). Le Pen had declared towards muslims that is a tradition to have muslims as candidates for the FN.

[Ankoù]

Obviously, vote for republican universalists at the name of anti-zionism when you are nationalist is inconsistent but it is not the case of Mision of Mercy who is not nationalist.


If he had a German mother that at least would be debatable. But he does not and does not even live here, so your argument does not hold water.

Dieudonne have a Breton mother, anyway to me he is not Breton, it's not debatable.

[Hweinlant]

This discussion somewhat reminds me what Alfred Rosenberg wrote allready in 1930's, in his now infamous: Myth of the Twentieth Century:



From this originally correct idea, however, the exactly converse conclusions results. In order to preserve Europe, the sources of Nordic strength in Europe must be brought alive again, strengthened. This includes Germany, Scandinavia, Finland and England. Conversely, the influence of France, which in the south is already completely Mulattoised, must be halted so that it can no longer act as an advance area for the Africans. Presently, this is the case, and in increasing measure. It is necessary that the Nordic kingdoms mentioned, in addition to the United states of America, recognise the prerequisite of their own powerful existence. This would also make unnecessary an otherwise unavoidable conflict between the republic of the onward marching black white France and Nordic Germany. It will leave the former to its self chosen fate, without having threatened and poisoned the whole of Europe.




There will be no faceless and folkishless central Europe such as Naumann announced, and no French Jewish pan Europe. Nordic Europe will be the watchword of the future along with a German central Europe. Germany will be race and national state. It will be the central power of the continent, insuring the south and the southeast. The Scandinavian states and Finland will be a second league. They will secure the northeast along with Great Britain and guard the west and the overseas in those places where it is necessary to do so in the interests of Nordic man. This demands a foundation which reaches still further. We need to state one final fundamental demarcation. There exists today with justice a strong defence of Nationalism against pan European multinationalism or internationalism. A strong systematic current describes this as the defence of the western spirit. This western spirit is, essentially, nothing other than the mingling of the later France with the Jewish democratic ideas. These have found their political reflection in present day parliamentary systems. One should not speak abstractly of the rule of a so called west, but much more palpably of a Jewish French system of ideas.


http://ia341216.us.archive.org/0/items/TheMythOfTheTwentiethCentury/Myth.pdf

How correct he was at the end of the day. Modern EU is largely French project, based on universalist idea of France. Mission of Mercy brings this to table with allmost painfull honesty. There are basically two different sphears in Europe, Prussian North vs. Universalist South, led by France. Last disservice of France to Europe is :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_union

EU should simply be put to sleep, North and South should divorce. South could have their Mediterranean Union/Kaliphate with Moroccans and Turks, while North having our own union based on Protestant ethics.