Should Rumania annex Hungary?

[Mary]

My argument is this:

* There is currently no natural border between Rumania and Hungary.

* There are two options for a natural border:

a) The Carpathians in Rumania. This corresponds with the historical Expansion of Austria-Hungary.

b) The Tatras in Slovakia and the Alps in Austria. This corresponds with the historical expansion of Ottoman Turkey (Vienna).

Geography therefore dictates that either Austria will expand to the Carpathians or Rumania will expand to the Tatras and the Alps.

On the map below I have mapped:

* The borders of Hungary (black).
* The natural border towards the East (red).
* The natural borders towards the West (blue).

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Based on this I would argue that Hungary must be annexed to the Rumanian state.

Feel free to chime in with your opinions.

[Dacul]

No.
I think Germany should annex Austria,Hungary and Romania.
But than it will appear a real problem,what you will do if a romanian will get prime-minister of Germany?
Think that would made European Union and euro collapsing.

[Pretan]

If you want a natural border along mountains why not just let Hungary annex Transylvania.

[Mary]

If you want a natural border along mountains why not just let hungary annex Transylvania.

Because Rumanians are 75% of the population. And Magyars (Szeklers + Hungarians) 20%.


The 2002 Romanian census classified Transylvania as the entire region of Romania west of the Carpathians. This region has a population of 7,221,733, with a large Romanian majority (75.9%). There are also sizeable Hungarian (19.6%), Roma (3.3%), German (0.7%) and Serb (0.1%) communities.[69][70] The ethnic Hungarian population of Transylvania, largely composed of Székely, form a majority in the counties of Covasna and Harghita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania#Current_population

[Mary]

The distance from Oradea to Budapest is 220 kilometers.

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Assuming you move at 50 km/hour that's a 4 hour drive to Budapest.

[AkisGreece]

Both Hungary and Romania belong to the German sphere of influence financially,and to the US one militarily.
If the EU drops,add Russians into game...

[Pretan]

Because Rumanians are 75% of the population. And Magyars (Szeklers + Hungarians) 20%.

Hungarians make up the vast majority of Hungary, so why by your own logic Romania shouldn't annex it.

I severly doubt it could either.

[Mary]

Hungarians make up the vast majority of Hungary, so why by your own logic Romania shouldn't annex it.

I severly doubt it could either.

The Hungarians will agree to it. So it's a different thing.

Rumania has:

* Twice the population
* Three times the military
* A much better economy

Hence it is inevitable.

[Dacul]

The Hungarians will agree to it. So it's a different thing.


* A much better economy

Hence it is inevitable.

Really?
This is why so many hungarians are coming to work in Romania and not reversed.
:rofl:

[Midori]

Actually, Transylvania should be split between Hungary and Romania.

[Mary]

Actually, Transylvania should be split between Hungary and Romania.

Okay. Where do you want to draw the border?

http://globaled.gmu.edu/images/Central%20Europe%20Map.jpg

[Pretan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png/800px-Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png

[Onur]

Because Rumanians are 75% of the population. And Magyars (Szeklers + Hungarians) 20%.
Afaik, this population figures has been created after WW-1, when allies decided to divide Hungary. I don't think that Romanians was 75% in there before 1920, is that so?

Btw Romania is already so big according to it`s total population and Moldova might be included to Romania proper too. So, what would Romania does with lower than 20 million people in such a giant country?

[Mary]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png/800px-Kingdom_of_Hungary_1944_44_Varmegye.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Northern_Transylvania_yellow.png

Basically a corridor to the Szeklerland. This is why it doesn't work:

* It's not a natural border
* Magyars are in the minority

[sturmwalkure]

Greater Hungary ought to be restored.

[Mary]

Afaik, this population figures has been created after WW-1, when allies decided to divide Hungary. I don't think that Romanians was 75% in there before 1920, is that so?

Btw Romania is already so big according to it`s total population and Moldova might be included to Romania proper too. So, what would Romania does with lower than 20 million people in such a giant country?

Rumanians are 75% (probably more) today and that is what matters.

The point is that it creates a natural border.

http://i46.tinypic.com/9k9kcp.jpg

[Midori]

Okay. Where do you want to draw the border?


http://i48.tinypic.com/2ed4d9v.jpg

I think this should be enough. Do you agree? :p

[Midori]

Greater Hungary ought to be restored.

I think Vajdaság should be returned to Hungary and Transylvania should be split between Romania and Hungary.

[Xenomorph]

No, Europe doesn't need any more border shifts.

[sturmwalkure]

No, Europe doesn't need any more border shifts.

Trianon was an illegal treaty in which Hungary was robbed of a lot of its historical lands. I can say the same for the Versailles treaty and Germany. These treaties should ideally be negated and rightful territories returned to this they were ROBBED from.

[Mary]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ed4d9v.jpg

I think this should be enough. Do you agree? :p

No. It's not a natural border. These are the two options in my opinion:

http://i46.tinypic.com/14y3vl.jpg

They match the historical borders:

Austria-Hungary on the Carpathians:

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/world_war_i_1914-1918_austria-hungary_map.jpg

Ottoman Turkey at Vienna:

http://www.islamproject.org/images/Ottoman_Empire_b.jpg

[Mary]

I think Vajdaság should be returned to Hungary and Transylvania should be split between Romania and Hungary.

Magyars are at most 25% of Ardeal. So it's not going to happen.

Instead Hungary needs to be annexed to Rumania.

[Onur]

Trianon was an illegal treaty in which Hungary was robbed of a lot of its historical lands. I can say the same for the Versailles treaty and Germany. These treaties should ideally be negated and rightful territories returned to this they were ROBBED from.
Fully agreed.

The Versailles treaty has been burned by Hitler along with the train wagon where it`s been signed after WW-1. He later failed but he did end the treaty agreement anyway.

The Sevres treaty has never been implemented in Turkey because Turks ripped it in pieces by defeating the allies after the WW-1.

But only Hungary still suffers from the consequences of Trianon today.

[Guapo]

Rumania? As in rum?

[Xenomorph]

Trianon was an illegal treaty in which Hungary was robbed of a lot of its historical lands. I can say the same for the Versailles treaty and Germany. These treaties should ideally be negated and rightful territories returned to this they were ROBBED from.

If that happens, it should be decided by plebiscites by people living in those regions.

[Mary]

Rumania? As in rum?

It's more correct.

[Guapo]

It's more correct.

How, it should be an 'o' as in Romans

[Mary]

How, it should be an 'o' as in Romans

It's a topic for a different thread.

[Dacul]

Hungary do not want to annex any country,Romania do not want to annex any country either.
You guys posting here about who should annex what are really clueless about the current situation from Transylvania and Hungary or about the relations between the people in these two zones of Europe.
Anyway you can pass ez mode from Hungary to Romania and reversed.You just show your ID card and pass,because is the passing of a member of a European Union state and is passing from one European Union state to another European Union state.
When Romania will join Schengen space there will be no borders anymore between Romania and Hungary.You will just pass as you pass from one state in US to another state.

[Guapo]

Rumania should annex Bucharest

[Daos]

Why not push them to the Tisa and get the other half of Crișana? But this a pointless talk anyway, it will never happen.

[RoyBatty]

No.
I think Germany should annex Austria,Hungary and Romania.
But than it will appear a real problem,what you will do if a romanian will get prime-minister of Germany?
Think that would made European Union and euro collapsing.

That's not a problem, that sounds like a solution! :thumb001: :D

[Mary]

Why not push them to the Tisa and get the other half of Crișana? But this a pointless talk anyway, it will never happen.

Because you can swim across the Tisa. National security can only be achieved if the borders are anchored on the Tatras and the Alps. That means Hungary and eastern Austria must be incorporated into the Rumanian state.

The driving distance from Oradea to Vienna is 550 km.

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If the average convoy speed is 20 km/h it will take 28 hours to resupply a drive to Vienna. If the speed is 30 km/h it will take 18 hours.

Austria and Hungary are both broke.


According to Austrian newspaper Der Standard, Austrian banks had 18.1 billion euros of exposure to foreign sovereign debt at the end of October. The debt to which the banks were most exposed was Polish, Italian, German and Hungarian sovereign debt.

This makes Austrian banks doubly exposed to Hungary and Poland as the banks also have significant private lending exposure in those countries as well. I see this as a major factor in worries about Austria’s sovereign credit.
Some exact sums:
Poland: 2.837 billion euros
Hungary: 2.821 billion euros
Germany: 2.289 billion euros
Greece: 736 million euros
Spain: 450 million euros

The two largest Austrian banks are Erste Bank and Bank Austria, which is a subsidiary of Italy’s UniCredit. In total, the foreign liabilities of Austrian banks are 126% of GDP.
UPDATE: a separate article from Der Standard has just come out quoting the World Bank calling Austrian bank exposure to Eastern and Southern Europe a “besorgniserregende Entwicklung”, in English, a worrying development. That’s bureaucratic speak for so overexposed it will lead to insolvency in the event of a default.

http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2012/01/austrian-sovereign-debt-exposure.html


Austria could experience dramatic consequences, if the Hungarian debt crisis escalates, says BIS. The Bank for International Settlement sent warnings to major Austrian banks in order to warn of the Hungarian crisis.

About 40% of all Hungarian debts are held by Austrian banks. German banks only hold 21% of foreign claims. The exposure of Austrian banks totals € 32bn, liquid funds of their subsidiaries in Hungary amount to € 7.0bn. BIS warns that the EU and the IMF would not be prepared to bail out Austrian banks in the case of a Hungarian national bankruptcy. “Due to the distinct exposure of Austrian banks, international support for potential bail out measures would be very low.”

http://www.friedlnews.com/article/hungarian-crisis-bis-warns-austria-insistently

In conclusion the opportunity to expand West has never been better.

[Daos]

Because you can swim across the Tisa. National security can only be achieved if the borders are anchored on the Tatras and the Alps. That means Hungary and eastern Austria must be incorporated into the Rumanian state.

You can fly over mountains. National security can only be achieved if the entire planet is ours.

[Mary]

You can fly over mountains. National security can only be achieved if the entire planet is ours.

You can't move large amounts of people over mountains. They form a natural border between different tribes.

Look at the Szeklerland as an example:

http://www.transilvaniatours.ro/img/maps/b3_map_big.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Tört_Székelyföld.png/800px-Tört_Székelyföld.png

The Carpathians form a natural border between Szeklers and the rest of Rumania. It's the only place where Magyars are concentrated.

Now look at this map:

http://i47.tinypic.com/5uiq69.gif

As late as 1940 Rumania lost part of Ardeal. The expansion of Hungary was backstopped by the Carpathians.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Hungary_1940.jpg

Note how the Western border of Hungary follows the Tatras and the Austrian Alps.

It's essential that the Rumanian border is drawn there. I will offer the following arguments:

* Both Austria and Hungary are landlocked countries. To access the sea they have four options:

a) Push across Germany to access the North Sea. Naturally dominated by Britain.

b) Push across Poland to access the Baltic Sea. Naturally dominated by Russia.

c) Take Croatia to reach the Adriatic Sea. Naturally dominated by Italy.

d) Push across Rumania to reach the Black Sea. No naturally dominant power.

Historically option d has been pursued by both Austria and Hungary. It is likely that this will be their future policy as well.

* Magyars, Germans and Rumanians inhabit the same territory, the Pannonian plain.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/8/8e/PannonianPlain1.jpg

Historically Magyars and Germans have teamed up against Rumanians to dominate this territory. If Rumanians want to live in this area they have to dominate it by force.

* Ardeal corresponds with the border between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. This means that there is a natural clash of civilizations in this area.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Europe_religion_map_en.png

In conclusion these are the two possible outcomes:

http://i46.tinypic.com/9k9kcp.jpg

Blue: Austria pushes to the Carpathians. An attempt to reach the Black Sea is made.

Red: Rumania pushes across Pannonia. An attempt to neutralize Vienna is made.

[Pro_Patria]

No, I really don't care for Hungary but I want our holy Basarabia and North Bukovina back!

[morski]

Actually, Macedonia should be split between Albania and Bulgaria.

True that.:thumb001::D

[Austo]

Hungary should annex Romania

[Corvus]

Hungary should annex Romania

I would favour this version

[Pro_Patria]

I would favour this version

Yes because they definitely have a great military history apart from their Asiatic hordes on their side. XD

[Guapo]

Both nations have hot pussy

[Arrow Cross]

Because Rumanians are 75% of the population. And Magyars (Szeklers + Hungarians) 20%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania#Current_population

Ah, I'm sure you had no seizures over shifting the percentages since being awarded those lands either.


Yes because they definitely have a great military history apart from their Asiatic hordes on their side. XD

We have a history. Any questions?

[Pro_Patria]

We have a history. Any questions?

Sorry, I was a bit angry so I ranted. Chauvinism in NS circles should not be tolerated.

[Guapo]

Sorry, I was a bit angry so I ranted.

Dont say sorry to that Asiatic mongrel

[Mary]

Ah, I'm sure you had no seizures over shifting the percentages since being awarded those lands either.

What shifting percentages?

[American_Hispanist]

I disagree. I rather think that Albania should be ceased by the UN and sold to Serbia and Greece. That will solve some problems in the Balkans, out of the shitload of problems that exist in the Balkans.

[Arrow Cross]

What shifting percentages?

The dispersion and state-backed assimilation of ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania#Demographics_and_historica l_research) are your own statistics. But two can play that game and nothing in history is eternal. At this rate though, we'll both be replaced by Gypsies anyway.


Sorry, I was a bit angry so I ranted. Chauvinism in NS circles should not be tolerated.

No worries & agreed.


Dont say sorry to that Asiatic mongrel

Let's not start playing the "who's whiter" game, Mr. Shitpoaster, for you might very well lose it miserably.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Should Mary get hit by a bus !? Suddenly a 3rd option is available :)

[Scholarios]

ha ha. trolling is free speech!

[Aunt Hilda]

Could they even take Hungary?

[Mary]

The dispersion and state-backed assimilation of ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania#Demographics_and_historica l_research) are your own statistics. But two can play that game and nothing in history is eternal. At this rate though, we'll both be replaced by Gypsies anyway.

Germans were allowed to emigrate to Germany but Hungarians were not allowed to emigrate to Hungary. So Hungarians weren't dispersed. Rumanians marry within the group, as a consequence so do minorities. I think you guys are projecting you own strategy, assimilation, on Rumanians.

[Dacul]

Mary is just full of nonsense.
It will work for North Transylvania and Hungary to form a single state,since these people are hard working,not slick and so on.
Already Bukovina,Hungary and Transylvania were in a single state,Austro-Hungarian empire.
But,now the lazyness and slickness of the south romanians spread to to South Transylvania also.
So , if people from North Transylvania want to save themselves as a group of people,they should split from Romania and unite with Hungary.
I know it sounds harsh to hear from a romanian this,but this is the reality.
A lot of people from North Transylvania left to US now,because they are not happy with how romanian state is now,since you are working a lot and you get nothing from this.
Sorry for other romanians here that will get upset by what I wrote here,but there is a huge gap in mentality and civilisation between North Transylvania and rest of Romania.
i am only as genetics half from North Transylvania as mentality I am just like the average south romanian,sadly.

[Sabinae]

:blink: Delicate subject.... however, my opinion on this tends to be of a totally different nuance. :) Carry on!

[Corvus]

I think many Romanians would feel quite glad to join Hungary, because the vast majority has significant Hungarian ancestry and because of this fact they are inclined to identify more with Hungary than their own multiethnic nation.

[Il Principe]

Hungary is an old nation of Central Europe with a proud history. However, the same cannot be said about a nation whose very name is indelibly associated with "gypsies". These expansionist plans don't have my support, sorry.


It will work for North Transylvania and Hungary to form a single state,since these people are hard working,not slick and so on.
Already Bukovina,Hungary and Transylvania were in a single state,Austro-Hungarian empire.
But,now the lazyness and slickness of the south romanians spread to to South Transylvania also.
Indeed. The spread of German influence has improved Eastern Europe markedly. We see even today that the formerly Austrian-ruled areas of Southeastern Europe are of a noticeably higher quality than the unfortunate areas that were ruined by the Turkish pestilence.

This can even be seen in things like work ethic and economy.

[Il Principe]

It's no coincidence that the most pleasant countries in Southeastern Europe are those that used to be part of Mitteleuropa and benefited from Austrian culture in the past. The contrast between them and their unfortunate eastern neighbors can be marked.

One needs only contrast nations like Slovenia and Croatia (ruled by Austrians) with nations like Albania and Bulgaria (misruled by Turks). "Europe ends at Agram", and all that.

[Permafrost]

Well I for one am very sorry for the huge territorial loss of our neighbours, they treated us fairly through the centuries after all, however supporting Hungarian irredentism comes off as a double edged sword for my people.

I do not intend to lose one single inch of Prekmurje.

[Sabinae]

I think many Romanians would feel quite glad to join Hungary, because the vast majority has significant Hungarian ancestry and because of this fact they are inclined to identify more with Hungary than their own multiethnic nation.

:blink: :picard1: Can't even bother...

[Archduke]

One needs only contrast nations like Slovenia and Croatia (ruled by Austrians) with nations like Albania and Bulgaria (misruled by Turks). "Europe ends at Agram", and all that.

I can't see the contrast here.

Apparently, Bulgaria and Albania are one of the most economically stable countries in Europe and have brighter future than Croatia (that's for sure).

[Il Principe]

I can't see the contrast here.
Yes, you are right, my friend. There is absolutely no contrast at all between Slovenia and Albania. None whatsoever.


Apparently, Bulgaria and Albania are one of the most stable countries economically
"Stable" by what standards? By global standards? Obviously, yes, they're economically above all of Africa. By modern European standards? That isn't quite true, I'm afraid.


and have brighter future than Croatia for sure.
That remains to be seen. All this "brighter future" stuff is merely speculation.

[Guapo]

Archduke, take your meds brah.

[Windischer]

Bulgaria and Albania are one of the most economically stable countries in Europe
stably poor :D
anyway what about this proposal:
stop playing with annexations and whatnot
stop caring whos romanian and whos magyar
instead, try to live like decent people and begin improving quality of life
because atm people will piss on your "romania mare" or "nagy magyarorszag", they rather emigrate to more decent countries (germany, netherlands, uk, even usa) than live in country where a few idiots are trying hard to ruin everything by making fuss about some lines on map
howgh :)

[Žołnir]

stably poor :D
anyway what about this proposal:
stop playing with annexations and whatnot
stop caring whos romanian and whos magyar
instead, try to live like decent people and begin improving quality of life
because atm people will piss on your "romania mare" or "nagy magyarorszag", they rather emigrate to more decent countries (germany, netherlands, uk, even usa) than live in country where a few idiots are trying hard to ruin everything by making fuss about some lines on map
howgh :)

Good one bro! :thumb001: :D

[Guapo]

Good one bro! :thumb001: :D

Sup bro! :thumb001:

[Guapo]

Archduke, you're making the mighty,rich, economically strong lands of bulgaria and albania into laughing stocks of Europe in this thread. Stop it.

[Žołnir]

Sup bro! :thumb001:

Really good bro! :thumb001:

[Jizo]

R u guys for real? Don;t you have anything better to do then speak BS.Romania annexing Hungary, reality check the year is 2013.

[Minesweeper]

This forum is full of stupid questions. Romania annexing Hungary or vice versa would mean a full scale war between those nation. They don't like each other anyway.

[Guapo]

This forum is full of stupid questions. Romania annexing Hungary or vice versa would mean a full scale war between those nation. They don't like each other anyway.

I want to annex their wimminz. Slavicize them bitches.

[Archduke]

"Stable" by what standards? By global standards? Obviously, yes, they're economically above all of Africa. By modern European standards? That isn't quite true, I'm afraid.

Just look basic economical stats for Croatia, Bulgaria and Albania (i exclude Slovenia) and you will see. The economy of Croatia is artificial and the case is similar like Greece. That's why Croatia has so big debt.

You consider Bulgaria and Albania poor just because we lived more modestly but according to our capabilities, unlike Croatia.


That remains to be seen. All this "brighter future" stuff is merely speculation.

True, but it can be predicted by the current situation of the country.

[Žołnir]

Hungarians were not allowed to emigrate to Hungary.

True story! :)

[Guapo]

Archduke is teh offishial spokeswoman for Croatain economy.

[Archduke]

Archduke is teh offishial spokeswoman for Croatain economy.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31456497.jpg

[Il Principe]

You consider Bulgaria and Albania poor just because we lived more modestly
Southeastern Europeans have many talents, but modesty is not among them.

The Turk-ruled countries of the Balkans are of worse quality than the Austrian-ruled ones - let alone the Northwestern European countries. There isn't really anything else to be said.


True, but it can be predicted by the current situation of the country.
Nigeria has also been going upwards for the last decade. Your point?

When one is at the bottom, there isn't really any other way to go but upward.

[Szegedist]

I do not intend to lose one single inch of Prekmurje.

Why not? What historical backing does Slovenia have on it?

Ps, I myself do not really care about Prekmurje because Hungarians are treated well there, and it is a small piece of land, although I would not be against towns like Lendva (Lendava) joining Hungary.


As for the original post: :picard2::picard1:

[Szegedist]

Mary is just full of nonsense.
It will work for North Transylvania and Hungary to form a single state,since these people are hard working,not slick and so on.
Already Bukovina,Hungary and Transylvania were in a single state,Austro-Hungarian empire.
So , if people from North Transylvania want to save themselves as a group of people,they should split from Romania and unite with Hungary.
I know it sounds harsh to hear from a romanian this,but this is the reality.
A lot of people from North Transylvania left to US now,because they are not happy with how romanian state is now,since you are working a lot and you get nothing from this.
Sorry for other romanians here that will get upset by what I wrote here,but there is a huge gap in mentality and civilisation between North Transylvania and rest of Romania.
i am only as genetics half from North Transylvania as mentality I am just like the average south romanian,sadly.
If more Romanians were like you, Hungary and Romania would be the best of friends ;)


But,now the lazyness and slickness of the south romanians spread to to South Transylvania also.
This happened due to Romanians from Wallachia and Moldova being settled and migrating to Transylvania.

[Dacul]

Wallachians are only friends to their wallachian kin and themselves.
Most of these people (wallachians) are incredibly slick and deceiving.
I am not getting along with wallachians at all.

[Szegedist]

Romanul I am surprised at your honesty, most Romanians I have spoken to had very, very different opinions and mentality, which has left a bitter taste in my mouth, but I am glad that this isn't found among all ;)

How does Moldavia and Rep of Moldovia compare to Wallachia and Transylvania?




Z5WIoMNErBM :confused:

[Dacul]

Moldovans and Republic of Moldavia are much more white skinned than average wallachian,much more social,open heart and they also like to heavy drink.
They are much more cold resistant,more wide faced, not slick.

[Szegedist]

Would you say that there is a possibility of Moldova unifying with the Republic and splitting from Wallachia? Not now, but future, 30, 50, 70 years.

[Dacul]

Would you say that there is a possibility of Moldova unifying with the Republic and splitting from Wallachia? Not now, but future, 30, 50, 70 years.

Yes.
Because there are plenty of wallachians that are harshly discriminating against moldovans,like not hiring them on good jobs because they are moldovans and so on.
I am in a very weird situation,wallachians do not want to accept me as wallachian,because I do not wallachian ancestry enough and in Cluj I am not accepted either since I do not have the proper accent.As for Moldova,I am not moldovan enough either .
Think it was a mistake to mix people from Wallachia with people from Moldavia and people from Transylvania.
As for women, I am much more liked by women from North Transylvania even with beard and moustache,than by these women from South Romania.
You can not wipe out genetic differences between people just because you want to do so.

[Szegedist]

I didn't realize the differences were that great, all I ever hear from Romanians is "Unity this, unity that".

Something similar exists in Hungary, well mainly Budapest with their stuckup attitude , Hungarians from surrounding countries are looked down upon, Transylvanian Hungarians are called Half Romanians, Csángós are called Gypsies.

And sometimes Transylvanian Hungarians in Hungary are treated like immigrants, and not as Hungarians.

Personally, I don not think there should be a lot of mixing between various historic areas. A lot of this also has to do with the previous regimes.

Also, the Socialist party spread propaganda that Transylvanian Hungarians are actually Romanian immigrants.

[Sabinae]

Yes.
Because there are plenty of wallachians that are harshly discriminating against moldovans,like not hiring them on good jobs because they are moldovans and so on.

Have you ever spoken to Moldovans? Of course this is only your opinion, but I beg to differ based on what some Moldovan folks shared with me. Last travelling to moldovan parts was one year and a half ago and I don't think they have changed their opinions much :)

However your opinion is welcomed and, as I see, much appreciated... :P carry on!

[Dacul]

I didn't realize the differences were that great, all I ever hear from Romanians is "Unity this, unity that".

Something similar exists in Hungary, well mainly Budapest with their stuckup attitude , Hungarians from surrounding countries are looked down upon, Transylvanian Hungarians are called Half Romanians, Csángós are called Gypsies.

And sometimes Transylvanian Hungarians in Hungary are treated like immigrants, and not as Hungarians.

Personally, I don not think there should be a lot of mixing between various historic areas.
Well in Romania there is no unity,this is one of the reasons for which is so high corruption,because romanians are not feeling as a nation,but as wallachians,moldovans,ardeleni (that is how are those from Transylvania called) and so on.

[Jizo]

R there some normal people in this forum. I wanted to join this forum, because the other one is infested with Pakistanis and Somalis and God knows what else and the topics are about Islam and other boring BS. But here I discovered that the only way is either not to post or to troll. Turkish people have no place in this forum,they should be somewhere discussing Islam with other Muslim fundamentalists,Macedonians are second class Bulgarians, Moldovians are second class Romanians. Transilvania was Hungarian of course, but this was before, the maps are drown live with it and grow up. As for Croatia, ha ha ha ha. Poor Croats thinking they are something more than the others and that they are not Balkan.Pathetic. Bulgaria has always been better then Croatia economically and socially with the exception when Croatia was part of the evil disgusting empire, also know as Yugoslavia, but the Croats there were always number 2 after the Serbs. Slovenians are Central European Slavs brothers with Czechs and Slovaks and have nothing to do with the Balkan.Of course Slovenia is 1000 times better of economically than Bulgaria.Only a fool will not know it.BUT Bulgaria is really,really better of than Serbia,Bosnia,Croatia, Moldova,Belarus,Ukraine let not even speak about Albania,Kosovo and FYROM.Is this forum a refuge for trolls with inferiority complex??What a stupid topic!Go drink a beer, bang a girl and then come here to speak about genetics, politics etc. If some ugly kid on Internet is saying from his smell room,soaked with seed that Bulgaria is poor, or that Romanians do not exist or that Macedonians exist or that Turks are worth speak about, it is annoying and pathetic but nothing more.
And the Hungarian guy, bro can you post a pic that you are Turan? Turan Hungarian sounds kinda like Armenoid Bulgarian or Nordic Serb, a lot of people speak about it,but nobody has seen it.

[Dacul]

Have you ever spoken to Moldovans? Of course this is only your opinion, but I beg to differ based on what some Moldovan folks shared with me. Last travelling to moldovan parts was one year and a half ago and I don't think they have changed their opinions much :)

However your opinion is welcomed and, as I see, much appreciated... :P carry on!

Sure I spoke.
They are not telling this opinion so loud,but this is what a lot of them are thinking .
I grew up in Bucharest and my grandmother was despised because she was from Moldavia.
We had another family from which the female was from Moldavia,on our street (blonde and blue eyed,that woman) and she was also despised,told that she is lazy ,that she is dirty and not washing her children clothes and other nice things like that.
This is like a bad nightmare,when I remember this.
Oh let me not forget,my paternal grandfather was a special man and he married a woman from Moldavia.
Now she brought her in his parents house.
They needed to move from there,because my father while being a small child was treated very bad by my paternal grandfather sisters.
So they moved to Moldavia,where my paternal grandfather was respected from being from Bucharest.
After my father grew,when he was 20+ years old,they sold their house from Moldavia and moved back to Bucharest,so they my father and his brother could attend some University in Bucharest.
I wish that my father and my mother have went to North Transylvania since they had the possibility to do that (when they were very young),they found hard to work in Bucharest.
Now I am in this part of Romania which I dislike with hostile and two faced people towards me.I am really fed of this.
:picard2:

[Sabinae]

Would it be enough said that part of my relatives are also...moldovans? :)

I lived in Bucharest as well... and my family resides in different parts of Romania: Cluj, Bacau, Ploiesti, Bucharest.... Aren't you exaggerating a bit with the "despising" action?!... it is a strong word... a strong hate.... Sane, educated people in Romania do not despise basing feelings solely on a person's birth place.

[Szegedist]

Well in Romania there is no unity,this is one of the reasons for which is so high corruption,because romanians are not feeling as a nation,but as wallachians,moldovans,ardeleni (that is how are those from Transylvania called) and so on.

What can I say, this can be good news for Hungary, bad news for Noua Dreapta.

[Dacul]

Noua dreapta are having few adherents in Romania.
These people are missing lots of screws from their heads.

[Dacul]

Would it be enough said that part of my relatives are also...moldovans? :)

You are a way above average beautiful woman,for Ploiesti or Bucharest this is why you so accepted there.
The myth of "beautiful romanian woman" is just a big lie,I noticed these women from South Romania are most them lacked of breasts,small as height and not very hard working or moral either.
You are 1/1000 percentile or better as beautiness in South Romania.
(let us see:
-you are light haired
-you are tall
-you are good looking at your face
-you have very acceptable features
-you are also very moral
Did not calculated how many women from South Romania have this,but very few,anyway).

[Corvus]

http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/scripts/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/Adela/images/regiuni-istorice-harta-romania.gif

What Romanul said is totally true. There is no unity and a lack of national pride in Romania.
I copied the map to illustrate it. (Aherne`s style)

In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians
In Transilvania they identiy themselves as Hungarians or Germans
In Crisana they identify themselves as Croats or Hungarians
In Banat they identify themselves as Serbs or Hungarians

So there are only the South Eastern regions left where they view themselves predomniantly as Romanians

[Szegedist]

What Romanul said is totally true. There is no unity and a lack of national pride in Romania.
I copied the map to illustrate it.
I can believe this.



But not quite this:

In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians
In Transilvaina they identiy themselves as Hungarians or Germans
In Crisana they identify themselves as Croats or Hungarians
In Banat they identify themselves as Serbs

[Windischer]

[IMG]
In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians
In Transilvania they identiy themselves as Hungarians or Germans
In Crisana they identify themselves as Croats or Hungarians
In Banat they identify themselves as Serbs or Hungarians

:D are you serious?

edit: pity you wouldnt understand my signature :D

[Sabinae]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion... and may I add... what you guys are saying "is totally untrue" :D

[Corvus]

:D are you serious?

edit: pity you wouldnt understand my signature :D

Well you should rather ask: Is the thread title serious :)

[Mary]

This is my battle plan,

If I have understood it right you guys have,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Hungarian_Armed_Forces.png

HDF 5th brigade - Debrecen,

* 4 infantry battalions
* 1 recon battalion

HDF 25th brigade - Tata

* 1 infantry battalion
* 1 artillery battalion
* 1 anti tank battalion

In addition to this you have,

* 1 airborne battalion
* 1 spec ops battalion
* 1 engineer regiment
* 1 CBRN battalion
* 2 AA battalions

+

* 14 JAS 39 fighter jets
* 32 Mi - 24 attack helicopters

It's obvious that your defense is centered around Debrecen,

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/687/map1xk.jpg

I will suggest a Rumanian attack with the 1st and 4th infantry divisions, supported by the LAROM brigade and the 6th spec ops brigade, a total of,

* 8 infantry battalions
* 2 tank battalions
* 5 artillery battalions
* 7 mountain battalions
* 2 mountain artillery battalions
* 3 LAROM battalions
* 8 AA battalions
* 2 recon battalions
* 1 spec ops battalion
* 2 paratrooper battalions

+

* 20 IAR-330 attack helicopters

The first battle will be at Debrecen with a relative balance of forces like this,

HDF,



* 4 infantry battalions
* 1 recon battalion

+

* 1 airborne battalion
* 1 spec ops battalion
* 1 engineer regiment
* 1 CBRN battalion
* 2 AA battalions

= 11 battalions

RA,


* 8 infantry battalions
* 2 tank battalions
* 5 artillery battalions
* 7 mountain battalions
* 2 mountain artillery battalions
* 3 LAROM battalions
* 8 AA battalions
* 2 recon battalions

+

1 spec ops battalion
2 paratrooper battalions

= 40 battalions


This is the battle plan,

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7444/map2aw.jpg

Group A,

* 1 tank battalion
* 4 infantry battalions
* 2 artillery battalions
* 4 AA battalions
* 2 mountain battalions
* 1 recon battalion

= 14 battalions


Group B,

* 1 tank battalion
* 4 infantry battalions
* 3 artillery battalions
* 2 mountain artillery battalions
* 4 AA battalions
* 3 mountain battalions
* 1 spec ops battalion
* 1 recon battalion

* 10 IAR 330 attack helicopters

= 19 battalions

Group C,

* 2 mountain battalions
* 3 LAROM battalions
* 10 IAR-330 attack helicopters

= 5 battalions

Reserve,

* 2 paratrooper battalions

How the battle will happen,

* Group A will move from Oradea to Debrecen (72 kilomters). Make and maintain contact with the enemy. And cut off the roads on the southern side of the city. Objectives A1 and A2.

* Group B will move from Satu Mare to Debrecen (126 kilometers) and cut off the roads on the northern side of the city. Objective B1.

A smaller force consisting of [ 1 recon battalion, 1 tank battalion, 2 mountain artillery battalions, 3 mountain battalions, 2 AA battalions = 9 battalions] will split from the group and move to cut off road M3 north west of the city (160 kilometers from Satu Mare). Objective B2.

At this point all the roads surrounding the city should be cut. And the HDF troops defending the city should be pinned down.

* Group C will move from Zalau to 20 kilometers outside Debrecen (135 kilometers) and begin shelling it. Objective 3.

* Civilians will begin fleeing the city. Most likely through the corridor represented by the black arrow. At this point the 10 helicopters assigned to group B will begin to take them out. Objective 4.

This will prompt the Hungarians to deploy their 14 JAS 39 fighters and 32 MI-24 helicopters to protect their escaping civilians. My 8 AA battalions will take them out.

At this point the HDF forces will either,

a) Entrench

b) Counterattack

c) Evacuate

The response will be as follows,

a) In case they entrench we shell the city until it's completely finished.

b) In case of a counterattack nearby forces can attack them in the side or back.

c) If they evacuate they will follow the corridor represented by the black arrow out of the city. They'll be taken out as they leave.

* On the strategic level this will leave the rest of Hungary defenseless pretty much. This is what they will have left,


HDF 25th brigade - Tata

* 1 infantry battalion
* 1 artillery battalion
* 1 anti tank battalion

You can surrender at this point or we'll do the same thing to Budapest.

[Insuperable]

R there some normal people in this forum. I wanted to join this forum, because the other one is infested with Pakistanis and Somalis and God knows what else and the topics are about Islam and other boring BS. But here I discovered that the only way is either not to post or to troll. Turkish people have no place in this forum,they should be somewhere discussing Islam with other Muslim fundamentalists,Macedonians are second class Bulgarians, Moldovians are second class Romanians. Transilvania was Hungarian of course, but this was before, the maps are drown live with it and grow up. As for Croatia, ha ha ha ha. Poor Croats thinking they are something more than the others and that they are not Balkan.Pathetic. Bulgaria has always been better then Croatia economically and socially with the exception when Croatia was part of the evil disgusting empire, also know as Yugoslavia, but the Croats there were always number 2 after the Serbs. Slovenians are Central European Slavs brothers with Czechs and Slovaks and have nothing to do with the Balkan.Of course Slovenia is 1000 times better of economically than Bulgaria.Only a fool will not know it.BUT Bulgaria is really,really better of than Serbia,Bosnia,Croatia, Moldova,Belarus,Ukraine let not even speak about Albania,Kosovo and FYROM.Is this forum a refuge for trolls with inferiority complex??What a stupid topic!Go drink a beer, bang a girl and then come here to speak about genetics, politics etc. If some ugly kid on Internet is saying from his smell room,soaked with seed that Bulgaria is poor, or that Romanians do not exist or that Macedonians exist or that Turks are worth speak about, it is annoying and pathetic but nothing more.
And the Hungarian guy, bro can you post a pic that you are Turan? Turan Hungarian sounds kinda like Armenoid Bulgarian or Nordic Serb, a lot of people speak about it,but nobody has seen it.

Go fuck yourself Bulgar!!! This is the second time today I see a Bulgar talking about Croatian economy... this and that. Inferioty complex?!! You are the only one with the inferiory complex.

[Szegedist]

Mary I suggest you get a life, just my two forints.

EDIT: And maybe stop playing strategy games for a while.

[Pallantides]

Hung-aryans are superior to Romanians, so if anything they should annex Romania. :D

[Jizo]

Go fuck yourself Bulgar!!! This is the second time today I see a Bulgar talking about Croatian economy... this and that. Inferioty complex?!! You are the only one with the inferiory complex.

pathetic shvaba wanna be, this forum deserves you.I dream to be a Croat ha ha, I rather be a fucking Mongol,you pathetic Catholic Serb troll!
It is called Bulgarian not Bulgar, am I clear Coat boy??:mad::mad:

[Sabinae]

Shatap Pallan.... :P Or would you like to be annexed?

[Mary]

Hung-aryans are superior to Romanians, so if anything they should annex Romania. :D

See my post above.

[Insuperable]

pathetic shvaba wanna be, this forum deserves you.I dream to be a Croat ha ha, I rather be a fucking Mongol, pathetic troll!
It is called Bulgarian not Bulgar, am I clear Coat boy??:mad::mad:

I do not know from where all what you are saying is coming from and why. It makes no sense. Yes, I got it you pathetic Bulgar.

[Szegedist]

This is my battle plan,


Ok Mary, since you have taking all that time to write this up, I will give you a response.

You ignore several things:

1)If we were to attack Romania, do you really think we will do it with our army as it is right now?
The current army is only really for NATO peacekeeping missions.

2) You ignore a real possibility of ethnic Hungarian militia in Transylvania, and various groups like HVIM arming themselves in Hungary (just look at Arkan Tigers,HOS etc).

3) What military experience, planning, strategy do you have to say how things will go?

4) Stop playing strategy games.

[Sabinae]

Alexander Ioan Cuza would faceplam himself at the sight of this thread.... Especially at reading such
In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians All the luls :laugh:

And since I can't find an appropriate ending... I'm going to let you carry on...
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/2590014_700b.jpg

[Dacul]

http://climatechange.thinkaboutit.eu/scripts/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/Adela/images/regiuni-istorice-harta-romania.gif

What Romanul said is totally true. There is no unity and a lack of national pride in Romania.
I copied the map to illustrate it. (Aherne`s style)

In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians
In Transilvania they identiy themselves as Hungarians or Germans
In Crisana they identify themselves as Croats or Hungarians
In Banat they identify themselves as Serbs or Hungarians

So there are only the South Eastern regions left where they view themselves predomniantly as Romanians

No.Those from Transylvania are calling themselves "ardeleni" as generic term and now differentiated from area to area (motzi in Alba,maramureseni from Maramures and so on).
Those form Moldavia are calling themselves "moldoveni" as generic term,but those from Bukovina are calling themselves "bucovineni".
Those from South Romania,munteni,but there are differences here also,for example those from South west Romania are calling themselves "olteni".
This "union" of Romania seems more likely most high jobs are at people from South Romania,those from Moldavia are doing the low jobs,those from Transylvania ,left a lot of them is US,lol,others are practicing cow herding and other types of agriculture.
Communists tried to wipe these differences by force moving whole areas of people from one part of country to another,but it still did not worked.
Romania do not really like a nation,anyway.
I do not know what I am anyway,lol.
As style of behaviour and so on,I am more towards people of North Transylvania,anyway.


EDIT:
I am tired of all of this.
I just want to have a normal life,with friends and find a woman to be my life partner.
But this seems an impossible task for me while living in South Romania.
I do not want to start a move to split Romania in 3,do not miss-understad me.
This thread just revived some painfull old memories in me.
It made a lot of harm to me.

[Il Principe]

As for Croatia, ha ha ha ha. Poor Croats thinking they are something more than the others and that they are not Balkan.Pathetic. Bulgaria has always been better then Croatia economically and socially
:laugh2:

[Guapo]

pathetic shvaba wanna be, this forum deserves you.I dream to be a Croat ha ha, I rather be a fucking Mongol,you pathetic Catholic Serb troll!
It is called Bulgarian not Bulgar, am I clear Coat boy??:mad::mad:

Archduke dreams to be a Croat :love:

[Loki]

My argument is this:

* There is currently no natural border between Rumania and Hungary.

* There are two options for a natural border:

a) The Carpathians in Rumania. This corresponds with the historical Expansion of Austria-Hungary.

b) The Tatras in Slovakia and the Alps in Austria. This corresponds with the historical expansion of Ottoman Turkey (Vienna).

Geography therefore dictates that either Austria will expand to the Carpathians or Rumania will expand to the Tatras and the Alps.

On the map below I have mapped:

* The borders of Hungary (black).
* The natural border towards the East (red).
* The natural borders towards the West (blue).

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Based on this I would argue that Hungary must be annexed to the Rumanian state.

Feel free to chime in with your opinions.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Lands now in Romania - lost after Trianon - originally belonged to Hungary. They want it back.

[Onur]

No.Those from Transylvania are calling themselves "ardeleni" as generic term and now differentiated from area to area
We were calling it as "Erdel" during the Ottoman era. Ardeleni is probably the Romanian form of the word Erdel. It should either be Turkish or Hungarian word.

The other parts of today`s Romania was being called as Eflak, Bogdan by the Turks. Do you still use these names too or it fell off use?

[Guapo]

We were calling it as "Erdel" during the Ottoman era. Ardeleni is probably the Romanian form of the word Erdel. It should either be Turkish or Hungarian word.

The other parts of today`s Romania was being called as Eflak, Bogdan by the Turks. Do you still use these names too or it fell off use?

Erdely in Hungarian, Turkish and Hungarian are the same language anyways, Turanic brothers indeed. Another example is apple, alma/elma.

[Loki]

It could be a joint Turanic effort ... and if so I feel sorry for Romania ...

nmfzjx3BdIQ

[Loki]

Hung-aryans are superior to Romanians, so if anything they should annex Romania. :D

I'm not so sure about that ... in things like the Olympic games and gymnastics, Romanians always come out on top. They're amazing.

[Mary]

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Lands now in Romania - lost after Trianon - originally belonged to Hungary. They want it back.

Ardeal didn't belong to Hungary until after 1850. Before that it functioned as a separate state. This is key.

Without the Carpathians they can't defend Pannonia,

http://i46.tinypic.com/9k9kcp.jpg

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/world_war_i_1914-1918_austria-hungary_map.jpg

Example: Rumania crosses the Carpathians in November 1918, in August 1919 Hungary is under Rumanian control,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Hungarian-Romanian_War.de.png

[alfieb]

Neither Romania nor Hungary should ever lose their independence. They are distinct countries with their own unique cultures, languages, and religious customs.

The only non-Slavic boundary-shifting that is necessary in the region is the elimination of the Republic of Moldova, a completely artificial entity created by Russians meddling in business that doesn't concern them, as they always have been known to do.

Hungary is an older country than most in Europe, and has a proud history that should be cherished.

[Zmey Gorynych]

I think many Romanians would feel quite glad to join Hungary, because the vast majority has significant Hungarian ancestry and because of this fact they are inclined to identify more with Hungary than their own multiethnic nation.
Looks like your philo-austro-hungarian feelings and your war with the pseudo german aherne is taking the better of you. Nowhere in Transylvania you'll find an ethnic romanian (not half-breeds) willing to give away their land, especially the extreme north-west.


Hungary is an old nation of Central Europe with a proud history. However, the same cannot be said about a nation whose very name is indelibly associated with "gypsies". These expansionist plans don't have my support, sorry.
Why don't you start learning history before separating people in those with and without proud history. I do agree that expansionism should not be supported.


Would you say that there is a possibility of Moldova unifying with the Republic and splitting from Wallachia? Not now, but future, 30, 50, 70 years.
Only in your dreams.


Well in Romania there is no unity,this is one of the reasons for which is so high corruption,because romanians are not feeling as a nation,but as wallachians,moldovans,ardeleni (that is how are those from Transylvania called) and so on.
You can possibly expect someone to take you seriously, a man(?) that spends his time feeling sorry for himself 24h a day 7 days a week. Seems like nordic/scandiavian worshiping has rotten your brain. HAVE SOME DIGNITY MAN ! It's a pity when a half russian/german shows more love and respect for the romanian nation than a native(?) like yourself, happily you are the exception and not the norm as you pretend to be.
While romanians from different(historical) regions may occasionally bicker between themselves their unity is indisputable, prove of this is the fact that from mid 19th century (some could say beginning of 17th century) romanians restlessly pushed for the unification of their lands, and in this regard romanians are unique in the Balkans where segregation was the watchword. It is rather surprising how a nation torn apart between 3 empires managed not only to survive but achieve it's most precious goal - a unified country for all it's people.
Because of people like yourself romanians are disrespected, even by nations who managed less in their entire history. How can you constantly bash your own people when romanians are the only south-east/central country that hasn't been transformed into a pashalyk !? How can you bash them when they alone handled the eastern front in WWI defeating combined forces of germans/autrians and hungarians. Do I have to mention romanians that contributed to the development of arts and science for you to get some self-respect !? Respect yourself and other will too!


What Romanul said is totally true. There is no unity and a lack of national pride in Romania.

In Bucovina and Moldova people identify themselves as Ukranians
In Transilvania they identiy themselves as Hungarians or Germans
In Crisana they identify themselves as Croats or Hungarians
In Banat they identify themselves as Serbs or Hungarians
I think you're projecting.

[Loki]

Without the Carpathians they can't defend Pannonia,

http://i46.tinypic.com/9k9kcp.jpg



Yes but as you can see, the Carpathians form the natural borders of Hungary. It is their rightful lands.

[Mary]

Yes but as you can see, the Carpathians form the natural borders of Hungary. It is their rightful lands.

Note the following facts,

* Ardeal has never been part of the Hungarian state. It always functioned as an independent state.

* Ardeal was annexed to Hungary in 1867.

* Ardeal was annexed to Rumania in 1920.

* The "Hungarians" who live in Ardeal are divided into two tribes, a) ethnic Hungarians and b) Szeklers. Both of these groups have nothing to do with the Hungarians in Budapest. They are different and separate from Hungarians in actual Hungary.

* Ardeal was annexed to Rumania as a result of referendums among all the nationalities. Everyone except the Hungarians voted to join Rumania.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Magyarorszag_1920.png

[Twistedmind]

Yes but as you can see, the Carpathians form the natural borders of Hungary. It is their rightful lands.

In which sense? It is not populated by Hungarians, except some parts, which happent not to border Hungary at all.

[Szegedist]

I'm not so sure about that ... in things like the Olympic games and gymnastics, Romanians always come out on top. They're amazing.

Wrong, Gold medals in Summer Olympics:
Hungary:167 (8th in the world, the countries above it have much, much bigger populations)
Romania:88


Total medals for summer olympics:
Hungary: 476
Romania: 301

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table


2012 olympics:
Hungary was ranked 9th with 8 gold medals and 18 medals in total.
Romania was ranked 27th with 2 gold medals and 9 medals in total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics_medal_table

[Szegedist]

Note the following facts,

* Ardeal has never been part of the Hungarian state. It always functioned as an independent state.

* Ardeal was annexed to Hungary in 1867.

* Ardeal was annexed to Rumania in 1920.

* The "Hungarians" who live in Ardeal are divided into two tribes, a) ethnic Hungarians and b) Szeklers. Both of these groups have nothing to do with the Hungarians in Budapest. They are different and separate from Hungarians in actual Hungary.

* Ardeal was annexed to Rumania as a result of referendums among all the nationalities. Everyone except the Hungarians voted to join Rumania.


Oh please Mary, you do not have a clue about what you are talking about.
Transylvania was an autonomous province within the Kingdom of Hungary thorough history. You are just trolling without clue.
If we go by your logic, Bavaria is not Germany....

At one point, Transylvania was the cultural and political center of Hungary.



Year 1200 for example:
http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1200/1200.jpg

[Szegedist]

We were calling it as "Erdel" during the Ottoman era. Ardeleni is probably the Romanian form of the word Erdel. It should either be Turkish or Hungarian word.

The other parts of today`s Romania was being called as Eflak, Bogdan by the Turks. Do you still use these names too or it fell off use?

Erdély roughly translates to "land beyond the forest".
Forest in Hungarian is erdő.

Let's take a look at the Romanian 'Transilvania'. It obviously comes from the Latin 'Transylvania'. The original form of this name is Transsylvania, a compound word (trans-sylvania), and this is how it appears first in Hungarian chronicles.'Transsylvania' probably refers to "the land beyond the forests". The Hungarians named this province this way, because coming from the Hungarian plains into Transylvania they had to cross a huge marsh-forest which spanned over most of the present counties of Szatmar (RO) and Szabolcs-Szatmar (HU).

Hungarian kings always referred to this province as 'the land beyond the forest', that is Transsylvania.(The official language of the Hungarian Kingdom was Latin.) The Romanians had never used this name until the 19th century. Ironically, in spite of their Latin origin, the Romanians never ever used Latin as their official language. They used Slavic. So, the Romanian word 'Transilvania' is borrowed from the Hungarian legal documents written in Latin.

Actually, I was wrong when I said that the Romanians do not even have their own name for Transylvania. They have. The original Romanian name for this province is "Tara Ungureasca", which literally means 'the Hungarian land/country'. This is how it is mentioned in all Romanian chronicles (written in Slavic), and this is how it was known by the people. Most of the very old Romanian fairy tales, folk songs and ballads refer to this province as Tara Ungureasca". The famous folk ballad Miorita is a perfect example for this.

[Szegedist]

In which sense? It is not populated by Hungarians, except some parts, which happent not to border Hungary at all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Hungarians_in_Romania_blank.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Maghiarii_din_Romania_%282002%29.png

I take these off course with a grain of salt, because I trust the Romanian "authorities" as much as I trust a gypsy selling "legitimate" Rolex watches.

[Twistedmind]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Hungarians_in_Romania_blank.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Maghiarii_din_Romania_%282002%29.png

I take these off course with a grain of salt, because I trust the Romanian "authorities" as much as I trust a gypsy selling "legitimate" Rolex watches.


Most ethnic Hungarians of Romania live in areas that were, before the 1920 Treaty of Trianon, parts of Hungary. These areas are today known as Transylvania, where Hungarians make up 18.9% of the population. The region also includes the historic regions of Banat, Crişana and Maramureş. Hungarians form a large majority of the population in the counties of Harghita (84.80%) and Covasna (73.59%), and a large percentage in Mureş (37.82%), Satu Mare (34.50%), Bihor (25.18%), Sălaj (23.25%) and Cluj (15.69%) counties.
:bored:
Just two counties, both pretty far from Hungary. So fend off.

[Szegedist]

:bored:
Just two counties, both pretty far from Hungary. So fend off.

Actually, it is very easy to connect those lands to Hungary without taking in too many Romanians.

Plus, this is after 90 years of expulsion, forced assimilation, colonization, etc. This can be reversed.

I mean, if Serbs can claim absolute majority Kosova then I don't see why we can't do the same. :)

[Twistedmind]

Kosovo had Serbian majority in Middle ages, unlike Transylvania/Erdelj ;) It was allways Romance land.

[Windischer]

i always thought that the forest the name refers to are apuseni mountains that divide inner plateau from alfold
and actually, romanian, latin and church slavic writings "coexisted" for a quite long period, with first romanian writings appearing in transylvania or marmaros actually :)
(correct me if am wrong)

[Szegedist]

Kosovo had Serbian majority in Middle ages, unlike Transylvania/Erdelj ;) It was allways Romance land.

1495 55,2% Hungarian
1500 60% Hungarian
1595 52,2% Hungarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania
the rest was Romanian and German.


Romanians only became majority after many of them escaped from Ottoman occupied Wallachia into Hungary ;)
Now like you said, "fend of" with your trolling.

[Twistedmind]

Károly Kocsis, Eszter Kocsisné Hodosi, Ethnic Geography of the Hungarian Minorities in the Carpathian Basin, Simon Publications LLC, 1998, p. 102 (Table 19)

Reliable, ancient source :D

[Zmey Gorynych]

1495 55,2% Hungarian
1500 60% Hungarian
1595 52,2% Hungarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania
the rest was Romanian and German.


Romanians only became majority after many of them escaped from Ottoman occupied Wallachia into Hungary ;)
Now like you said, "fend of" with your trolling.
Well since you were kind enough to present us with statistical data why did you failed to mention that in 1241 according to the same table romanians formed 66% of the entire transilvanian population (and the source for that is not romanian but french from what I can understand) !? Anyway any data which predates the 18th century is speculative at best and from what I can see romanians formed the absolute majority since the very first census (1784) conducted by the austrians which can't suspected of pro-romanian bias.
The land belongs to the people that inhabit it.

[Dacul]

Actually, it is very easy to connect those lands to Hungary without taking in too many Romanians.

Plus, this is after 90 years of expulsion, forced assimilation, colonization, etc. This can be reversed.

I mean, if Serbs can claim absolute majority Kosova then I don't see why we can't do the same. :)

Lol what 90 years of expulsion or forced assimilation?
Most people from Ardeal/Transylvania are from there.
As for romanians from there,you just have a fanatic opinion,no mentally sane hungarian would think to deport them or forced assimilating them.
I think a lot of hungarians moved from Transylvania to Hungary for a better life.
Same happened with lots of germans from Transylvania who left to Germany,because the german state offered them much better conditions of life.

[Anonym]

Transilvania is Romania.:) Why won't Hungarians attack as alone to get it, why all the cunning tricks like trying to change our Constitution or creating illegal paramilitary organizations? You want it? Come and get it!

[Onur]

Well since you were kind enough to present us with statistical data why did you failed to mention that in 1241 according to the same table romanians formed 66% of the entire transilvanian population (and the source for that is not romanian but french from what I can understand)
It`s a joke. who can precisely know the population figures of Romania in 13th century? It`s impossible.

What we know is that Romania was being ruled by Cumans and Mongol army was devastating the place in 13th century. Claiming that Romanians was supposedly 60% of total population is so absurd.

[Szegedist]

Transilvania is Romania.:) Why won't Hungarians attack as alone to get it, why all the cunning tricks like trying to change our Constitution or creating illegal paramilitary organizations? You want it? Come and get it!

Romania used many tricks to steal Transylvania, falsifying documents and demographics, sticking your tongue as far as you could into France's ass :D

France wanted to create a strong state in Eastern Europe, that would be used to attack Germany and its allies from the East if Germany misbehaved.
Rumania, as well as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were these abominations.

[Žołnir]

I disagree, Romania is not abomination but only logical consequence with the rise of national awakening in Europe.

[Anonym]

Romania used many tricks to steal Transylvania, falsifying documents and demographics, sticking your tongue as far as you could into France's ass :D

France wanted to create a strong state in Eastern Europe, that would be used to attack Germany and its allies from the East if Germany misbehaved.
Rumania, as well as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were these abominations.

That's no excuse!We don't have illegal paramilitary organizations in Hungary even though we HAVE a minority there. I don't see Romanians hanging dolls representing your national heros in Hungary ,like Cibi Barna did in Romania.
You have no right to to encroach on the sovereignty of Romania, as long as Romania does not encroach on sovereignty of Hungary.
Romanians were always a majority in Transilvania ,like it or not, no need for fake demographics.
Still you can't get it without tricks, I dare you to come and get it if you can in face to face combat!

[Szegedist]

That's no excuse!We don't have illegal paramilitary organizations in Hungary even though we HAVE a minority there.
We don't have illegal minorities in Romania either.



I don't see Romanians hanging dolls representing your national heros in Hungary ,like Cibi Barna did in Romania.
No, you just build statues of mass murderers of Hungarians like that Avram Iancu in cities that had, or still have a Hungarian majority.




You have no right to to encroach on the sovereignty of Romania
Yes we do.



Romanians were always a majority in Transilvania ,like it or not, no need for fake demographics.
debatable, and if so, only in the whole region, Romanians were mostly concentration in the Southern parts, while other regions had a significant historic Hungarian presence like in the North and East regions.




Still you can't get it without tricks, I dare you to come and get it if you can in face to face combat!
Again you talk about Tricks? What do you call breaking the Bucharest peace treaty of 1918? Is this an example of Wallachian honesty?? And dont worry, when we come you will be the first one to know.

[Windischer]

you 2 can meet and shake your hands, youre both similar :D

[Dacul]

Romania used many tricks to steal Transylvania, falsifying documents and demographics, sticking your tongue as far as you could into France's ass :D

France wanted to create a strong state in Eastern Europe, that would be used to attack Germany and its allies from the East if Germany misbehaved.
Rumania, as well as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were these abominations.

Lol not true,Muntenia as living level was way above Hungaria and this why both ardeleni and hungarians wanted to join Romania in 1918.
And to take it as it is today,GDP/per capita in Bucharest is higher than in Berlin and you need to take into account most of this GDP is from production and are plenty of gypos doing no GDP in Bucharest.
If would not be this corruption in Romania,Romania will be well ahead any other nation from near.
Bucharest,now,have about 30k euros per capita,while Budapest about 15k.
Lol.

[Anonym]

1.No, but you have illegal paramilitary organizations.


2.That does not excuse the behaviour of that venetic Barna! And the behaviour of Hungarians toward Romanians in Covasna or Harghita.And the fact that you lied through mass media that Mihaila Cofariu was Hungarian!!
Ahaha!Is my bloody country I build what ever statue I want,where I want.If I want I'll put it on a mountain peak or in a village or in a crowded square !I don't need your permission for that! Hungarians didn't ask my permission on who to build in their country or where to put his/her statue! And Avram Iancu is our national hero,as long as they live here they must respect Romania.


3."Yes we do"
Of course ,in fact this is all I wanted to hear.Than war it will be!


4.Not so debatable. Romanians were distributed everywhere in Transilvania and they still are, including in areas with bigger concentrations of Hungarians.In Southern parts were ethnic Germans and also Romanians.

5."What do you call breaking the Bucharest peace treaty of 1918?"
You did sign the Trianon treaty in '20 , now go away!

6.We'll be waiting don't worry! I'll suggest you'd better dress in brown pants!

[EagleAtHeart]

No. But they should unify with Moldova! I don't know why they haven't already.

[Anonym]

youre both similar :D

Well,I didn't insulted you..

[Corvus]

Well,I didn't insulted you..

I think he meant, we see finally a Romanian with real national pride
Not a bad attidute actually :thumb001:

[Windischer]

as long as they live here they must respect Romania.

i disagree. when a state is established somewhere, it should respect people living there, NOT vice versa. and regarding someone as "lower" just because they dont belong to the ethnic group that constituted the state (or from different point of view: just because they dont belong to the ethnic group in which name the state pretends to act) is dumb
those people didnt come to transylvania 5 years ago, they were born there, as their parents, grandparents etc, xyz generations back. this goes for most of transylvanias inhabitants, regardless of their ethnicity
keep in mind that old northeastern-eastern hungary - transylvania, as well as maramureš, partium (subcarpathian rus, today "zakarpatska oblast" of ukraine, and adjacent territory), and todays eastern slovakia - was a specific territory, one of most ethnically and religiously mixed lands in this continent, and with very low amount of ethnic conflicts - until various outsiders (nationalists) began tampering with the peace and pushing their ideologies for strengthening their egos
and no, you didnt insult me, you just appear to be the same chauvinist type like szegedist, one speaks about hungarians, 2nd about romanians - but your arguments are the same.
national pride is crap, there is nothing to be proud about an uncertain mass of people which can (and does) include murderers, thieves, criminals or just plainly bad people.

a person isnt better or worse by being hungarian, english or xhosa :)

[Dacul]

I think he meant, we see finally a Romanian with real national pride
Not a bad attidute actually :thumb001:

There is not such a thing as "romanians".
That is a just an innovation that does not make any sense.
There are "munteni" "ardeleni" "moldoveni" "olteni" "banateni" all speaking romanian language but wit different accents and a few different words.
The logical name of our country is Dacia and the name of all these groups of people,dacians,or in romanian,daci.
While our language should be called daca and all new words brought from french or latin replaced with the old words (most of them cognates with slavic languages).
I am not talking about words as "computer" but as words as "parinte" (old romanian was named "otetz") and so on.

[Szegedist]

That does not excuse the behaviour of that venetic Barna! And the behaviour of Hungarians toward Romanians in Covasna or Harghita.

Csibi Barna is a good Hungarian, as is László Toroczkai and György Budaházy. In this day and age, I am glad that I have such countrymen.



6.We'll be waiting don't worry! I'll suggest you'd better dress in brown pants!
The only people with brown pants will be Vallahi Ciobani.

[Szegedist]

1.No, but you have illegal paramilitary organizations.

No we do not, none of those orgonisations are armed.



Ahaha!Is my bloody country I build what ever statue I want,where I want.If I want I'll put it on a mountain peak or in a village or in a crowded square !I don't need your permission for that! Hungarians didn't ask my permission on who to build in their country or where to put his/her statue! And Avram Iancu is our national hero,as long as they live here they must respect Romania.
It is not "your" country and Transylvania is not "your" province not matter how many Oltenians you ship there in former Hungarian majority cities like Kolozsvár , Nagyvárad, Temesvár ,Gyulafehérvár etc.

[Dacul]

No we do not, none of those orgonisations are armed.



It is not "your" country and Transylvania is not "your" province not matter how many Oltenians you ship there in former Hungarian majority cities like Kolozsvár , Nagyvárad, Temesvár ,Gyulafehérvár etc.

Lol Cluj/ Kolozsvár was never mostly hungarian.
As for oltenians,they are not going in Transylvania,they prefer Bucharest.
Only way over average smart hungarians could live in Cluj/ Kolozsvár.
Since people from there are between smartest and most honest from Romania.
Wait to see,how much Cluj/ Kolozsvár will develop soon.

[Anonym]

i disagree. when a state is established somewhere, it should respect people living there, NOT vice versa. and regarding someone as "lower" just because they dont belong to the ethnic group that constituted the state (or from different point of view: just because they dont belong to the ethnic group in which name the state pretends to act) is dumb
those people didnt come to transylvania 5 years ago, they were born there, as their parents, grandparents etc, xyz generations back. this goes for most of transylvanias inhabitants, regardless of their ethnicity
keep in mind that old northeastern-eastern hungary - transylvania, as well as maramureš, partium (subcarpathian rus, today "zakarpatska oblast" of ukraine, and adjacent territory), and todays eastern slovakia - was a specific territory, one of most ethnically and religiously mixed lands in this continent, and with very low amount of ethnic conflicts - until various outsiders (nationalists) began tampering with the peace and pushing their ideologies for strengthening their egos
and no, you didnt insult me, you just appear to be the same chauvinist type like szegedist, one speaks about hungarians, 2nd about romanians - but your arguments are the same.
national pride is crap, there is nothing to be proud about an uncertain mass of people which can (and does) include murderers, thieves, criminals or just plainly bad people.

a person isnt better or worse by being hungarian, english or xhosa :)

Yes patriots are the root of the whole evil :D why don't you kill them all?

I meant Hungarians respecting the Romanian people in the first place and their culture ,not like they should respect Ceusescu or Basescu. By the way the Romanian state is respecting Hungarians , Basescu is Hungarian friendly.

No one said they are "lower" too much drama added to this commie speach don't you think? I respect all the people, but they should respect me back.
About mixed religions: everyone had his own.

If you are saying I'm chauvinist because I'm patriot then go ahead , I'll tell you from the start: I'm not into killing someone who has a different etnicity than me , I'm not into killing anyone in general because I'm a Christian .But I'll defend the identity and traditions of my people and I won't give into multiculturalism ;to give up to who I am , just like that.

Is everybody personal choice if they want to have national pride or not , I'm quite free to choose if I care about my nation , and you are no one to take this from me.

[Windischer]

patriots? i didnt write anything against patriots as such, in my "commie speech" :D
:picard1:
no am saying youre chauvinistic because your few lasts posts told me that

am against killing, too and

Than war it will be
words of a true christian, right? :D

[Anonym]

Csibi Barna is a good Hungarian, as is László Toroczkai and György Budaházy. In this day and age, I am glad that I have such countrymen.


Cibi Barna is a zombie , a loyal puppet ! Bout the others I don't care!



The only people with brown pants will be Vallahi Ciobani.

No, you!

[Anonym]

No we do not, none of those orgonisations are armed.


Wanna bet?
http://tb.ziareromania.ro/Scandal-in-Tabara-Tineretului-Maghiar-Ardelean---filmulete-cu-tineri-pregatiti-de-lupta/954fe1236e07068d9f/240/0/1/70/Scandal-in-Tabara-Tineretului-Maghiar-Ardelean---filmulete-cu-tineri-pregatiti-de-lupta.jpg


lxXKHhcchPI



It is not "your" country and Transylvania is not "your" province not matter how many Oltenians you ship there in former Hungarian majority cities like Kolozsvár , Nagyvárad, Temesvár ,Gyulafehérvár etc.

Oh yes , it is our country , better get used to the idea.If you want it ,come and get it! And don't forget to bring your white flag!

[Žołnir]

There is not such a thing as "romanians".
That is a just an innovation that does not make any sense.
There are "munteni" "ardeleni" "moldoveni" "olteni" "banateni" all speaking romanian language but wit different accents and a few different words.
The logical name of our country is Dacia and the name of all these groups of people,dacians,or in romanian,daci.
While our language should be called daca and all new words brought from french or latin replaced with the old words (most of them cognates with slavic languages).
I am not talking about words as "computer" but as words as "parinte" (old romanian was named "otetz") and so on.

Isn't Wallachia called Țara Românească? Just asking i don't know. :p Btw i think Romania is best name. I mean Dacia cmmon man are you sure? It's like we would rename to Tauriscia. xD Btw ppl what is old traditional Romanian word for Transylvania?

[Anonym]

patriots? i didnt write anything against patriots as such, in my "commie speech" :D
:picard1:
no am saying youre chauvinistic because your few lasts posts told me that

Chauvinism:
1. aggressive or fanatical patriotism; jingoism
2. enthusiastic devotion to a cause
3. smug irrational belief in the superiority of one's own race, party, sex,

I'm a patriot ,but not fanatic.
About "superiority of one's own race, party, sex" I didn't made any remark about any of that.



words of a true christian, right? :D

Don't worry is not like I'm going to kick anyone @rse, yet.

[Guapo]

troll thread is troll

[Dacul]

Yes patriots are the root of the whole evil :D why don't you kill them all?

I meant Hungarians respecting the Romanian people in the first place and their culture ,not like they should respect Ceusescu or Basescu. By the way the Romanian state is respecting Hungarians , Basescu is Hungarian friendly.

No one said they are "lower" too much drama added to this commie speach don't you think? I respect all the people, but they should respect me back.
About mixed religions: everyone had his own.

If you are saying I'm chauvinist because I'm patriot then go ahead , I'll tell you from the start: I'm not into killing someone who has a different etnicity than me , I'm not into killing anyone in general because I'm a Christian .But I'll defend the identity and traditions of my people and I won't give into multiculturalism ;to give up to who I am , just like that.

Is everybody personal choice if they want to have national pride or not , I'm quite free to choose if I care about my nation , and you are no one to take this from me.
I am not respecting hungarians,besides for their genetics and for the fact they are honest.
Come on,they are one of the most racist nations in Europe,they are very un-educated (IBM and Phillips opened factories in Hungary which imba failed,because they were producing low quality products).
These hungarians here who think people of North Transylvania are less or equal to hungarians,are really delusional,these people from North Transylvania are as good as germans or scandos,as mentality.
But is the fact lots of these people (from North Transylvania) dislike people from Moldavia and South Romania.
My mother is calling me "tzigan de Bucuresti" rofl (that is gypo of Bucharest,in a not so good translation).
Our ex-prime minister (which was from Cluj) was just atypical.
I have national pride that I am half from Cluj county and there is where I want to live or in North Germany or in South Sweden.
I am not romanian,I am not hungarian,I am ardelean as most of my genetics and muntean as where I was born and where I lived .As a more general ethnicity,I am dacian.
This is how I declared my ethnicity at last oficial census - dac .
I do not want to split Romania in 3,but I like to participate in a move to change the name of our language to dacian,throw at garbage the newly introduced words from french and latin and put old words (of dacian origin,closed to slavic) and change the name of our country in Dacia.
I dislike french and latin language,dacians were never defeated,more they were allied with goths when goths conquered Rome and provoked the fall of Roman Empire.

[Szegedist]

Wanna bet?
http://tb.ziareromania.ro/Scandal-in-Tabara-Tineretului-Maghiar-Ardelean---filmulete-cu-tineri-pregatiti-de-lupta/954fe1236e07068d9f/240/0/1/70/Scandal-in-Tabara-Tineretului-Maghiar-Ardelean---filmulete-cu-tineri-pregatiti-de-lupta.jpg


lxXKHhcchPI



Oh please, this was filmed at a shooting range in Hungary, but the Romanian media went ape over it.

[Szegedist]

Lol Cluj/ Kolozsvár was never mostly hungarian.




1850: 62.8% Hungarian
1880: 72.1% Hungarian
1890: 79.1% Hungarian
1900: 81.1% Hungarian
1910: 81.6% Hungarian

In the 1960s a determined policy of industrialisation was initiated. Many people from the surrounding rural areas (largely Romanian) moved into the city, giving Cluj/Kolozsvár a Romanian majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca#Demographics


The fact is, Hungarians were a majority in the vast majority of cities in Transylvania, in ones that we were not, had German majorities.

[Dacul]

1850: 62.8% Hungarian
1880: 72.1% Hungarian
1890: 79.1% Hungarian
1900: 81.1% Hungarian
1910: 81.6% Hungarian

In the 1960s a determined policy of industrialisation was initiated. Many people from the surrounding rural areas (largely Romanian) moved into the city, giving Cluj/Kolozsvár a Romanian majority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca#Demographics


The fact is, Hungarians were a majority in the vast majority of cities in Transylvania, in ones that we were not, had German majorities.
From where you took those statistics,rofl?
My paternal granmother is native from near Cluj (the village is called Desmir) and never was such a thing there.
Even if there are statistics like that,is possible that were plenty of dacians/ardeleni declaring themselves as hungarian to gain some advantages.
As for your hungarian "courageous" people,lol,there are few fanatics with missing screws which are good to be sent at hospitals for mentally insane people.
I already said,I have a 2nd degree cousin who is half hungarian,but he is calling himself "ardelean" same about his father,which is 100% hungarian.
Because being an ardelean is a greater pride than having the name of an uncivilised bunch of invaders (who were exterminated by goths allied with Roman Empire - talking about huns - see the battle of catulanian plains).
If you are curious about your genetics,I think is mostly scando from visigoths,which were allied to huns.
Were is your east-asian or north-asian genetics,rofl,if you are having hun blood?
You did not noticed that the accent of both people from North Transilvania and people from Hungary is almost identical to the accent of the people from South Sweden?
Are you really noob?
You do not see that are hungarians looking very scando and scoring very high on north-east european admixture?
Why are you speaking hungarian language,which is a mix of some fino-ugrian language with some turkic terms and some slavic terms and not german or swedish which would more proper for you?
And why are you so fanatic and uneducated?
Because you are believing in a big lie,that you are descendant of huns and some mentally insane people are very vocal about sustaining this lie.
You have no hunic blood,go take an autosomal test,I am paying for it,from my few money so you can see for yourself!.
Noob.
To add,pechenegs and cumans never crossed Carpathians in Transylvania or in Hungary.
And hungarians fought fiercely against Turkish empire and Hungary had great kings of dacian/ardelean ancestry,for example Mathias Rex/Matei Corvinul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths

[Pallantides]

You did not noticed that the accent of both people from North Transilvania and people from Hungary is almost identical to the accent of the people from South Sweden?

http://oi46.tinypic.com/2hp693b.jpg

[Dacul]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/2hp693b.jpg

Pallantides,you are telling me whom I was there plenty of times that I am talking nonsense?
You ever heard someone from there talking?
Guess no.
Is about how they put the accent when they are pronouncing the words.
Visigoths were settled to Panonia,after they were defeated,what do you think it happen to these people?
While in Transylvania gepids settled.This is confirmed by archeological proofs,see there again,I am tired of posting this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepids#Archeological_sites
In fact,only in Transylvania are archeological sites belonging to gepids.
"The Gepids were recorded in the area along the southern Baltic coast in the 1st century AD, having migrated there from southern Sweden some years earlier. Subsequently, the Gepids migrated further south during the 2nd century and were reported in the mountains north of Transylvania by the end of the 3rd century. In the 4th century, they were incorporated into the Hunnic State."
So very likely I got some south swedish blood also!No idea how much,anyway.
:rofl:

[alfieb]

troll thread is troll

Mary thread is Mary thread.

Oh, I apologize. I just repeated what you had already said. :picard1:

[Corvus]

There is not such a thing as "romanians".
That is a just an innovation that does not make any sense.
There are "munteni" "ardeleni" "moldoveni" "olteni" "banateni" all speaking romanian language but wit different accents and a few different words.
The logical name of our country is Dacia and the name of all these groups of people,dacians,or in romanian,daci.
While our language should be called daca and all new words brought from french or latin replaced with the old words (most of them cognates with slavic languages).
I am not talking about words as "computer" but as words as "parinte" (old romanian was named "otetz") and so on.

Regional patriotism and regionalism exist everywhere. This is no Romanian phenomenon. In Austria people of Carinthia and Styria don`t like each other.
Everyone looks down on Vienese and Lower Austrians. They look down on everyone else. Despite these inner animosities they stick together when it really matters. Almost every Austrian would defend his country when beeing insulted or attacked, me included for sure even if I don`t think everything is perfect here. But in the end I am a big patriot. Germanophil and Hungarophil, because of good relations, but Austrian in first place
Same is in Hungary like Szegedist told you in a previous post.

I know the name Romania was forced upon them by some Latinophiles western oriented politicans, who wanted to erase or downplay the Dacian ancestry on Romania.
So Dacia would be the more adequate name for sure.
Nevertheless however your nation is called, you should show pride to belong to them (and I know you are deep in yourself based on some posts in this thread you have written yesterday)
I know I praised you for showing affinity towards Hungarians a lot and you should keep it up, no need for hostilities, but in the end you should always defend your country when beeing attacked like all other Romanian members on this forum. You are not the only one who shows lack of identity. Two other male members acting the same.
That`s at least my opinion and I think the opinion of others too

[Szegedist]

From where you took those statistics,rofl?
I posted the link, no?


To add,pechenegs and cumans never crossed Carpathians in Transylvania or in Hungary.

Yes they did, and they settled in Hungary.

As for the rest of your ramblings, I dont see a point to reply to it.

[Dacul]

Regional patriotism and regionalism exist everywhere. This is no Romanian phenomenon. In Austria people of Carinthia and Styria don`t like each other.
Everyone looks down on Vienese and Lower Austrians. They look down on everyone else. Despite these inner animosities they stick together when it really matters. Almost every Austrian would defend his country when beeing insulted or attacked, me included for sure even if I don`t think everything is perfect here. But in the end I am a big patriot. Germanophil and Hungarophil, because of good relations, but Austrian in first place
Same is in Hungary like Szegedist told you in a previous post.

I know the name Romania was forced upon them by some Latinophiles western oriented politicans, who wanted to erase or downplay the Dacian ancestry on Romania.
So Dacia would be the more adequate name for sure.
Nevertheless however your nation is called, you should show pride to belong to them (and I know you are deep in yourself based on some posts in this thread you have written yesterday)
I know I praised you for showing affinity towards Hungarians a lot and you should keep it up, no need for hostilities, but in the end you should always defend your country when beeing attacked like all other Romanian members on this forum. You are not the only one who shows lack of identity. Two other male members acting the same.
That`s at least my opinion and I think the opinion of others too
This is not my country anymore,some people here wanted to let me die by starvation.
No idea for what reasons.
I was jobless in Bucharest were it was one of the lowest un-employment from all world (1.89% people with working rights were not hired;as for people looking for work but not having a job,the percentage was closed to 0%).
(I was jobless 3.5 years and after 3.4 years I went and wanted to open a complaint at anti-discrimination office.)
Not to mention I also had a bad psychic state and except God,my father,my mother and my grandmother no one had some good words to tell me.


I went to anti-discrimination office and told my right to live is not respected and they laughed at me and said it is not because I can go beg and I will not die by starvation!
I said I will go complain to mass-media from other countries and they lowered their tone after and gave me regulation and told me I could open an action against some companies that refused to even call me for an interview,even if I was very fit for their job requirements.

Go tell someone else about showing pride about being romanian,not to me.

[Anonym]

Oh please, this was filmed at a shooting range in Hungary, but the Romanian media went ape over it.

Let's hope is not filmed in Romania then ,cus if it is ,I can't wait for them to try something funny!

Anyways in Romania they make political educational camps for Hungarian youngsters in Transilvania ,with Romanian money, in which the authorities are personalities of JOBBIK and they are gathering there to plot the "eliberation" of Transilvania.
And these youngsters listen to those vetetics.
Some of these personalities mentioned they need the help of Europe (I guess EU) or N. America to achieve their aim.

Koszegi Zoltan while in Romania said : " If in 4-5 years we can't obtain the autonomy of Sekely land means we are incapable."

I suggest he shouldn't wait so long,he can make harakiri right now!:D

[Anonym]

My mother is calling me "tzigan de Bucuresti" rofl (that is gypo of Bucharest,in a not so good translation).

She calls you like that because you live in Bucuresti?

Listen,I know Romanians joke around or have different stereotypes about each other wich can be really annoying sometimes .I personally don't have anything against any Romanian no matter the region he/she is coming from as long as he/she is nice person.

Romanul,if I may ask :): why did you pick the nickname Romanul? Why not Transilvaneanul/ Ardeleanul or Dacian?

[Szegedist]

We will get our autonomy, then we will get our independence.
I know it is what you are afraid of, because your web of lies and deceit will collapse. You think that after 90 years you got away with it and we forgotten your crimes, but you are wrong.

Hungarians occupied by Romania are our business, and we have a right to care for them. You will see much more meddling from Budapest in the affairs of Transylvania in the years to come, for the past few decades the idiotic liberals didn't care, but the right wing is growing and this is changing. And not just Jobbik, members of the governing party have an interest in this region.

As for Zoltán Kőszegi
http://www.politics.hu/20120815/fidesz-may-officially-raise-issue-of-border-revision-in-2020-says-mp/

You should be glad that we are not like the Albanians in FYROM, Presovo Valley, Kosovo, etc.

PS. why couldn't we move József Nyírő's ashes to Székelyudvarhely?

[Szegedist]

Also, Autonomy is even something a bastard like Stalin gave, while Romanians are unable to do this, this simply shows the backward thinking of your "government".

[Sabinae]

Hungarians occupied by Romania are our business, and we have a right to care for them.

My friend.... calm down, and come back to earth... No one is hurting Hungarians living here. If they did not leave, it is because their life within these borders is alright. I have many Hungarian friends and believe they are awesome people.

The other fact you should come to terms with, is that borders are staying as they are... Romania was/is Romania... and you cannot change it. Look at the map: such a lovely flower!!! :love:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSG-XaA1VI-xOyXtvA6vjXJmWPLSXgt2oTvNqj2_isZwAAjSPEnbQ

[Pobre Diablo]

We will get our autonomy, then we will get our independence.
I know it is what you are afraid of, because your web of lies and deceit will collapse. You think that after 90 years you got away with it and we forgotten your crimes, but you are wrong.

Hungarians occupied by Romania are our business, and we have a right to care for them. You will see much more meddling from Budapest in the affairs of Transylvania in the years to come, for the past few decades the idiotic liberals didn't care, but the right wing is growing and this is changing. And not just Jobbik, members of the governing party have an interest in this region.

As for Zoltán Kőszegi
http://www.politics.hu/20120815/fidesz-may-officially-raise-issue-of-border-revision-in-2020-says-mp/

You should be glad that we are not like the Albanians in FYROM, Presovo Valley, Kosovo, etc.

PS. why couldn't we move József Nyírő's ashes to Székelyudvarhely?

http://i.imgur.com/Xjz0haY.gif

[Szegedist]

Sabinae you can try to whitewash the crimes of your nation, but what you are doing is like a gypsy thief telling his victim that he will never get his phone back.

[Dacul]

She calls you like that because you live in Bucuresti?

Listen,I know Romanians joke around or have different stereotypes about each other wich can be really annoying sometimes .I personally don't have anything against any Romanian no matter the region he/she is coming from as long as he/she is nice person.

Romanul,if I may ask :): why did you pick the nickname Romanul? Why not Transilvaneanul/ Ardeleanul or Dacian?

I picked a wrong name.Ok I will make a request to change it to Dacul but I do not know how.
Yes my mother is half joking,she is telling me like that because I grew in Bucharest.
But I can tell that plenty of people from there (Cluj county) are not seeing people from South Romania with good eyes.
If you do not believe me see what happened to that footbal club from Cluj that got some woman from South Romania to lead them.Go read the comments of people from Cluj on realitatea site.
As for how they see moldovans,better not to tell.

[Szegedist]

http://i.imgur.com/Xjz0haY.gif

Is that how you earn your money on the streets of a Western European city?

[Sabinae]

Sabinae you can try to whitewash the crimes of your nation, but what you are doing is like a gypsy thief telling his victim that he will never get his phone back.

That is a bit harsh...don't you think? You seem to be more prone to "crimes" to say that to a lady....

By the way... gypsies don't even bother talking to victims...

[Szegedist]

That is a bit harsh...don't you think? You seem to be more prone to "crimes" to say that to a lady....

By the way... gypsies don't even bother talking to victims...

I didn't say you were a gypsy, but you trying to "rub it in my face" that Transylvania is currently Romania is not far from the example I gave.

[Pobre Diablo]

But I can tell that plenty of people from there (Cluj county) are not seeing people from South Romania with good eyes.
If you do not believe me see what happened to that footbal club from Cluj that got some woman from South Romania to lead them.Go read the comments of people from Cluj on realitatea site.

What happened to her wasn't because she was a southerner, and she deserved everything she got.
She wasn't even really leading the club, she was just a front for other people who transformed U into a satellite club and stole everything

[Anonym]

We will get our autonomy, then we will get our independence.
I know it is what you are afraid of

In your wet drems!
No ! You got me wrong this is not what I'm afraid of ,this is what we are waiting for!


Hungarians occupied by Romania are our business, and we have a right to care for them. You will see much more meddling from Budapest in the affairs of Transylvania in the years to come, for the past few decades the idiotic liberals didn't care, but the right wing is growing and this is changing. And not just Jobbik, members of the governing party have an interest in this region.

Yeah you are all hand in handI know it! Btw do you know that in our Constitution those who claim such things on our territory must go to jail? They get between 15 and 25 years of jail. Mr. Zoltan and his fans, watch out!




You should be glad that we are not like the Albanians in FYROM, Presovo Valley, Kosovo, etc.
Are you freakin' kidding me :))?


PS. why couldn't we move József Nyírő's ashes to Székelyudvarhely?

Ask Elie Wiesel, :D he protested against bringing Josef ashes in Romania. "Josef Nyiro had an antisemite attitude and he colaborated with the fascist regime" this is what the Romanian Ministry of External Affairs had to say about this.
And almost nothing against his anti-Romanian attitude.
We'll bring Avram Iancu and will burry him in Budapest too.:thumb001:

[Sabinae]

I didn't say you were a gypsy, but you trying to "rub it in my face" that Transylvania is currently Romania is not far from the example I gave.

Don't tell me you have run out of examples to give.... you specifically resorted to that comparison, because you specifically wanted to get certain points accross.... I'm not a child and neither are you. :)

"Rub it in your face"???? Lol... if I did it... I wonder if you would of disliked it... :eyes

[Pobre Diablo]

Is that how you earn your money on the streets of a Western European city?

http://i.imgur.com/Xjz0haY.gif

[Dacul]

Mr Basescu wanted to give working rights for turkish people in Romania,he call himself a great nationalist but could not do as little as giving working rights in Romania to the people from Bessarabia.
Lots of people from Moldavia are forced to go in Italy for working,to not die of famine.
Are about 1 million people from Moldavia left to work in Italy.
The people from Apuseni mountains were living on welfare taken from Spain,since they had citizenship there,ye,great,people from Cluj are not disliking for no reason south romanians.
The people from North Transylvania,lots of them,left to work in US to be able to lead a normal life.
I am fed with all great "nationalists" from South Romania,most of them are cold hearted and arrogant.

[Pobre Diablo]

"Rub it in your face"???? Lol... if I did it... I wonder if you would of disliked it... :eyes

*ears perk up*
umm.. if he's not interested i'm next in line :D

[Pobre Diablo]

Mr Basescu wanted to give working rights for turkish people in Romania,he call himself a great nationalist but could not do as little as giving working rights in Romania to the people from Bessarabia.
Lots of people from Moldavia are forced to go in Italy for working,to not die of famine.
Are about 1 million people from Moldavia left to work in Italy.


stop being a drama queen, almost all moldovans are eligible for romanian citizenship and they can come here whenever they want

[Szegedist]

Don't tell me you have run out of examples to give.... you specifically resorted to that comparison, because you specifically wanted to get certain points accross.... I'm not a child and neither are you. :)
You are looking into it too deeply, a gypsy is something we can both probably relate to.
If you feel insulted at the mention of gypsy then that speaks more about you than me ;)


"Rub it in your face"???? Lol... if I did it... I wonder if you would of disliked it... :eyes
:wink

[Žołnir]

I guess Romania and Moldova must be like Germany and Austria. :)

[Corvus]

I guess Romania and Moldova must be like Germany and Austria. :)

Good comparision :thumb001:
I can recognise analogies

[Pobre Diablo]

I was just thinking, what's everyone's favorite day of the year? For me, Trianon treaty day is the best day of the year, every year :)

[Szegedist]

I guess Romania and Moldova must be like Germany and Austria. :)

Or like Hungary and North Transylvania.

[Dacul]

stop being a drama queen, almost all moldovans are eligible for romanian citizenship and they can come here whenever they want

I am not any drama queen.
I have a primary cousin from Vaslui county,she could not find work in Romania so she went to Italy.
It turned out that she is very industrious and honest so she is earning now there over 1k euro per month.
Oh cause I forgot,she has a step sister,that one could not find to work in Romania either,she found in Germany,now she is also earning over 1k euros per month.
Now tell me what some romanian government did for Vaslui county to develop the region?
Exactly nothing.

She started at a very low salary,something like 500 euros,or something.
As for people from Bessarabia,Russia does not help them anymore,because they turned towards Romania believing the lies of some south romanians,as the jewized mr Basescu is.
And now,Romania is not helping them with anything and they also lost the help from Russia.
Let me not forget,in Bucharest gypos have special rights,they have special jobs,just for them,they enter in highschool without competing with others and so on.
I think there are more jews on high positions in companies from Bucharest,than people from Moldavia.

[Géza]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/866/YallN1ggazPostinInATrollThread.jpg

[Anonym]

Or like Hungary and North Transylvania.
Or like Romania and Gyula:thumb001:

[Szegedist]

Or like Romania and Gyula:thumb001:

Gyula, a tr00 Romanian name, just like Ardeal ;)

PS, Romanians in Gyula have always been a minority, and there are only a few hundred Romanians there (2.3%), so you fail, Romani Ciobani.

[Dacul]

I am off posting in this thread,trying to talk to south romanians is just lost of time.
EDIT:
To add some salt on the wound,just to anger south romanians,is a very simple reason for what south romanians are not able to go working in North Europe or West Europe:
Most of them are too corrupt and lazy and anti-social to be able to integrate there.

[Pobre Diablo]

I am off posting in this thread,trying to talk to south romanians is just lost of time.

http://i.imgur.com/Xjz0haY.gif

[Sabinae]

You are looking into it too deeply, a gypsy is something we can both probably relate to.
If you feel insulted at the mention of gypsy then that speaks more about you than me ;)


:wink

Ayayay.... so stuborn to lay the arms down. :) I really am unarmed:bunny000:... was never mean in any way, nor did I run off making comparisons. I straightforwardly said your people are awesome. :)

Now... I did not take insult at your remark, because I'm far from such comparisons. In every way.

The only simple thing that I wanted to underline was the fact that you "cherry-picked" the words. And you know it.

Speaking of... "looking into it deeply", how fast do you think you can get to Bucharest? And are you good on taking care of "cherries"? :eyes

[Anonym]

Gyula, a tr00 Romanian name, just like Ardeal ;)

Who cares about the name ?
Romanian: Jula btw (check Wikipedia) you took our cities and named them with Hungarian words !


PS, Romanians in Gyula have always been a minority, and there are only a few hundred Romanians there (2.3%), so you fail, Romani Ciobani.

You Hugarian-iezed them proud arch- sniper!
There is a minority so we must care about them send to Hungary right-wingers, go there and ask them to proclaim autonomy then unite with them -> Hungarian logic!:picard2:

[Pobre Diablo]

Speaking of... "looking into it deeply", how fast do you think you can get to Bucharest? And are you good on taking care of "cherries"? :eyes

*raises paw*

You know, Constanta is much closer to Bucharest than Budapest or whatever, and people from Constanta, like me for example, can get to Bucharest sooo much faster! Not that I mean anything by that, just a thought :D

[Szegedist]

Who cares about the name ?
Romanian: Jula btw (check Wikipedia) you took our cities and named them with Hungarian words !
How did we take your cities? There was no such thing as Romania back then, and you ciobani didn't have cities but lived in the woods.




You Hugarian-iezed them proud arch- sniper!
There is a minority so we must care about them send to Hungary right-wingers, go there and ask them to proclaim autonomy then unite with them -> Hungarian logic!:picard2:
And how many were there before we "Magyarized" them?
Also the Romanians there have a degree of autonomy, which Hungarians do not.


PS, the Romanians in Hungary can be compared to Csángós in Romania. Transylvania is a different issue.

[Szegedist]

Ayayay.... so stuborn to lay the arms down. :) I really am unarmed:bunny000:... was never mean in any way, nor did I run off making comparisons. I straightforwardly said your people are awesome. :)

Now... I did not take insult at your remark, because I'm far from such comparisons. In every way.

The only simple thing that I wanted to underline was the fact that you "cherry-picked" the words. And you know it.


Speaking of... "looking into it deeply", how fast do you think you can get to Bucharest? And are you good on taking care of "cherries"? :eyes
I don't know Sabinae, because based on the first quote it seems someone is on her "special days" ;) :eyes

But sorry if I was mean, it was not my intention. :)

[Sabinae]

I don't know Sabinae, because based on the first quote it seems someone is on her "special days" ;) :eyes

But sorry if I was mean, it was not my intention. :)

My first quote? :tongue You need to stop being ambiguous....

Special days??? You just grossed me out :flynch:... What men think at times:picard1:

Forget about the cherries....forget about the "looking deep" :dead0000:

Oh... and your apologies are very much accepted and appreciated. :hug2:

[Szegedist]

My first quote? :tongue You need to stop being ambiguous....
Top quote:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1335446&postcount=199




Forget about the cherries....forget about the "looking deep" :dead0000:
:cry:
Maybe next time :eyes

[Pobre Diablo]

I don't know Sabinae, because based on the first quote it seems someone is on her "special days" ;) :eyes


damn nigga you're disgusting

your posts are so bad I even get embarrassed for you :(

[Anonym]

How did we take your cities? There was no such thing as Romania back then, and you ciobani didn't have cities but lived in the woods.

Cluj-NAPOCA the capital of Dacia btw! ;)
Many modern cities are build on old settlements of Dacians and Romans. Romanians lived both in cities and villages . The only one living in woods was you.



And how many were there before we "Magyarized" them?


There are about 20.000 Romanians in Hungary only about half of this number is recognized officially.


Also the Romanians there have a degree of autonomy, which Hungarians do not.

No they don't. If they have lets unite quickly! :eek:

As you can see Hungarians are free in our country , your politicians come here and encourage Transilvania autonomy, Hungarians had/have different functions in our Gouvernment. They have enough!!

[Szegedist]

Many modern cities are build on old settlements of Dacians and Romans. Romanians lived both in cities and villages . The only one living in woods was you. And the so called "Rumanians" have nothing to do with either Dacians or Romans.
By the way, I thought according to the Dacian theory, you Romanians survived for a milenia in Transylvania while living in caves?






There are about 20.000 Romanians in Hungary only about half of this number is recognized officially.
Yes, and most of these are immigrants, workers, etc.




They have enough!!
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/fmXJj-IpOzQ/mqdefault.jpg

[Anonym]

And the so called "Rumanians" have nothing to do with either Dacians or Romans.

Suure :D:picard2:


By the way, I thought according to the Dacian theory, you Romanians survived for a milenia in Transylvania while living in caves?

The Dacians are in our blood not in caves!



Yes, and most of these are immigrants, workers, etc.

What sane Romanian would go to Hungary to work , if he wasn't born there:rolleyes:.
Romanians prefere mostly Western Europe for that.


This is how I like to see Hungary:
http://www.discoverwhitehills.com/index_htm_files/8.png

Exactly!:D

[Szegedist]

The Dacians are in our heads!

Correct.



Romanians prefere mostly Western Europe for that.
Exactly, mostly.

[Dacul]

Lol people posting here are really noobs,me included,Mary opened this thread so romanians here will start fight with hungarians and other members will laugh of them.

[Szegedist]

Total population of Hungary (Fig. 14) in 1715 was only 1,700,000 and that of Transylvania (Fig. 15) was 800,000. The wars between Hungary and the Turldsh Empire (Fig. 16) devastated the territories, depopulating towns and villages. When the territory was reclaimed by the Hapsburgs, rich land owners and Crown agencies began to recruit Germans from Austria and southern Germany to fill the void and develop the lands.
Rumanians began (c. 1720-30's) (Fig. 17) to move west into Transylvania and ultimately into the Partium and the Bánát, where they had been unknown a century before. The Partiurn (Hungarian term) were regions, which, while not belonging to the recognized historic Transylvania and the southern, southeastern parts of Hungary, had been ruled by local princes in the Turkish era. Half of these had been restored to the Kingdom of Hungary by Charles III in 1738. The other half (the Counties of Közép-Szolnok, Krszna and Zárand and the District of Kövár) were still with Transylvania in 1780.
The military authorities distrusted the Magyars politically and militarily. Therefore they strengthened the area with other populations more reliable, viz. the Germans and Serbs. Magyars were deliberately excluded from the Bánát.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/Glogowatz/FrankGerner/Coins.htm

[Anonym]

Correct.

I won't even bother.




Exactly, mostly.
Yeah mostly W. Europe ,but also N. America, Canada,Australia,Asia .Are you trying to say those who don't go in W. Europe are coming in Hungary to work, well then you would have millions of Romanians.:D
I bet there are more Hungarians coming to work in Romania than vice-versa.

[Dacul]

Ok now my name was changed to Dacul.

[Loki]

European infighting :picard1:

[Windischer]

Ok now my name was changed to Dacul.

you forgot one "r" there :D

[Anonym]

Rumanians began (c. 1720-30's) (Fig. 17) to move west into Transylvania and ultimately into the Partium and the Bánát, where they had been unknown a century before.

Bla bla bla:bored:

[Pobre Diablo]

This thread seems to have been derailed by childish banter, so let's get back on topic and look into the past to learn what we should do in the future :)
UwXIuOuI02E

this part sounds dirty lol :D
http://i.imgur.com/4V824wa.png

[Szegedist]

This thread seems to have been derailed by childish banter, so let's get back on topic and look into the past to learn what we should do in the future :)

Some facts for you my Ciobani friend.
1) Hungary fought a war on several fronts, Czechoslovakia, Romania, but also little bit in Yugoslavia. There was also a civil war between Communists, anti-communists, and also conflicts when Habsburgs tried to get back into power.

2) These were funded, and supported and supplied by Western allies, America, France, Britain, Hungary was not supported by anybody.

3) Hungary had few resources at the time, coal supplies for example were cut off, and many Hungarians spent their winters without any heating.

4) Communists ( more than 70% of them were Jews) threw a coup and put the country into even more chaos

5) Hungary was outnumbered, outgunned, had no advanced weaponry due to Mihály Károlyi's disarming before in order to remain at good relations with the Little Entente. The leadership was very stupid, and very incompetent, but you cannot expect anything else from leftists, centrists and communists.

relative army sizes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/a/af/Little_Entente_Army_vs_Hungary.png

6) Only a pathetic Wallachian like you would see this as some "great Romanian victory". Romanians looted and stole everything they could. You lowlife scum even tried to loot our national museum.

On November 11, 1919, American General Bandholtz wrote in his Diary:“It is
simply impossible to conceive such national depravity as those miserable “Latins” of Southeast Europe are displaying”.

Having spent six months in Hungary, General Bandholtz was impressed by the
Hungarians. Before his departure he concluded in his Diary:


Personally I came here rather inclined to condone or extenuate much of the
Roumanian procedure, but their outrageous conduct in violation of all international law, decency, and humane considerations, has made me become an advocate of the Hungarian cause. Turning over portions of Hungary with its civilized and refined population will be like turning over Texas and California to the Mexicans. The great Powers of the Allies should hang their heads in shame for what they allowed to take place in this country after an armistice.

7) So to sum it up, this was as much of a Romanian victory as Hungarian victory at Ördögkút (Treznea)


this part sounds dirty lol :D
http://i.imgur.com/4V824wa.png
This just shows how dishonorable you Mexicans of Europe are who couldn't even keep an agreement.

[Dacul]

Lol Szegedist you are proposing forced exilation of population (the population of ardeleni/romani from Transylvania) and you are talking about civilisation?

[Szegedist]

Lol Szegedist you are proposing forced exilation of population

Please find the quote where I said this, thanks :bored:

[Dacul]

Please find the quote where I said this, thanks :bored:


Actually, it is very easy to connect those lands to Hungary without taking in too many Romanians.

Plus, this is after 90 years of expulsion, forced assimilation, colonization, etc. This can be reversed.

I mean, if Serbs can claim absolute majority Kosova then I don't see why we can't do the same. :)

[Szegedist]

There are many other ways to reverse it apart from deporations.

[Dacul]

There are many other ways to reverse it apart from deporations.

Like?

[Anonym]

Only a pathetic Wallachian like you would see this as some "great Romanian victory". Romanians looted and stole everything they could. You lowlife scum even tried to loot our national museum.

From everything there was in your so called "Hungarian museum", the Romanians wanted to take only what Hungarians had stoled from our land,Transilvania; the Transylvanian collections.


On November 11, 1919, American General Bandholtz wrote in his Diary:“It is
simply impossible to conceive such national depravity as those miserable “Latins” of Southeast Europe are displaying”.

Let Bungholtz mind his Mexicans,not Romanians.

http://www.unstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Copii-maghiari-hraniti-de-soldati-romani.jpg

Romanian soldiers sharing their food with Hungarian childrens in Budapest, even Hungarian newspaper at the time admitted it.

Now what about your "civilized","rafinated" oath, savage boy ?
Nincs kegyelem- No mercy; signed Ducso Csaba (Durai Lorant):
http://betiltva.com/2010-2013/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ducso.jpg

"Eu nu astept sã vinã rãzbunarea nu astept! Voi suprima pe fiecare valah ce-mi va iesi în cale! Pe fiecare îl voi suprima! Nu va fi îndurare. Voi aprinde noaptea satele valahe! Voi trece prin sabie toatã populatia. Voi otrãvi toate fântânile si voi ucide pânã si copiii din leagan! In germene voi distruge acest neam de hoti si ticãlosi! Nu va fi pentru nimeni nici o milã! Nici pentru copiii de leagãn, nici pentru mama care va naste copil... Voi suprima fiecare valah si atunci nu va mai fi în Ardeal decât o singurã nationalitate, cea maghiarã, natia mea, sângele meu! Voi face inofensivi pe viitorii Horia si Closca. Nu va fi milã!"

[..]I'll suppress every Wallachian who will come in my way! I will suppress each! There will be no mercy. I'll burn at the night fall the Wallachian villages.I'll kill with sword the entire population. I will poison all the fountains and I will kill even the childrens in their swings! I'll destroy from the root this nation of thieves and scoundrels! There will be no mercy for anyone! Not for the babies, nor for the mother who will born children [...]




So to sum it up, this was as much of a Romanian victory as Hungarian victory at Ördögkút (Treznea)

Dont even dare compare it ,savage! You tortured and killed innocent people with no mercy , we've been too kind compared with you!

In one of his book (Ro. Ardealul, pamant Romanesc) American historian Milton G Lehrer, mentioned that - of all mass massacres comitted by Hungarians, two of them detaches from the rest due their common ferocity: the massacres commited by Hungarian army and population, in Trăznea and Ip (Sălaj).

"Comuna Trăznea a fost ocupată, de către trupele ungureşti, la 9 septembrie 1940. Ca şi când armata de ocupaţie ar fi executat un ordin primit, îndată ce satul a fost invadat de soldaţi, un veritabil potop de foc şi sânge s-a abătut asupra lui.Toate armele moderne au fost utilizate pentru a satisface instinctele brutale: puşti, mitraliere, tunuri şi grenade…După ce au fost trase primele salve, soldaţii au pătruns în case şi au asasinat pe oricine găseau în calea lor, incendiind casele. Cazul preotului român Traian Costea, care, după ce a primit un glonţ în cap, a fost tras pe galeria de lemn a presbiteriului, căruia i s-a dat foc şi a ars în întregime odată cu cadavrul preotului, este tipic."

"Traznea village was occupied by Hungarian troops on 9 September 1940. As the army of occupation would be executing a received order, as soon as the village was invaded by soldiers, a veritable flood of fire and blood came upon it. All the modern weapons were used to satisfy the brutal instincts: rifles, machine guns, and grenades ... After the first fire shots, the soldiers entered in the houses and killed everyone in their way, burning their homes. The case of Traian Costea, Romanian priest who after receiving a bullet in the head, was hanged on the wooden gallery of the presbytery, which was set on fire and burned completely along with the priest's body, is typical."

[Szegedist]

From everything there was in your so called "Hungarian museum", the Romanians wanted to take only what Hungarians had stoled from our land,Transilvania; the Transylvanian collections.

Transylvania is Hungarian land, and everything that is there is Hungarian, apart from some Dacian and Roman ruins (not Rumanian).



Romanian soldiers sharing their food with Hungarian childrens in Budapest, even Hungarian newspaper at the time admitted it.
Probably the more civilized ones from Transylvania or Moldova. Also very likely a rare propaganda stunt.



Dont even dare compare it ,savage! You tortured and killed innocent people with no mercy , we've been too kind compared with you!

Why dont you read about Antonescus pogroms against Hungarians, also the Maniu Guards, etc before you open your mouth.

[Corvus]

Szegedist you once claimed that Transylvania is a Hungarian term, I can`t find your post
but i did some research:

It derives from Latin
trans=behind
silvania=wood

So literally translated: Behind the wood

[Dacul]

Transylvania is the latin term,Ardeal is the normal term.

[Szegedist]

Szegedist you once claimed that Transylvania is a Hungarian term, I can`t find your post
but i did some research:

It derives from Latin
trans=behind
silvania=wood

So literally translated: Behind the wood

I never claimed it was from the Hungarian language:
http://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1331294#post1331294

[Szegedist]

Transylvania is the latin term,Ardeal is the normal term.

What does "Ardeal" mean in Romanian?

[Dacul]

Lol I have an aunt (the wife of the brother of my father) from near Treznea and his father is hungarian,but who passed to christian orthodoxy ,while her mother is romanian.
It was not between romanians and hungarians hatred,till some people saw the seeds of hatred with ultra-nationalism.

[Corvus]

I never claimed it was from the Hungarian language:
http://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1331294#post1331294

Ok, my mistake

[Dacul]

What does "Ardeal" mean in Romanian?

I do not know lol.

[Dacul]

You do not see that Mary opened this thread to enrage romanians here against hungarians and reversed.

[Szegedist]

I do not know lol.

It means absolutely nothing.

The first known written occurrence of the Romanian name Ardeal appeared in a document in 1432 as Ardeliu.
The Hungarian form Erdély was first mentioned in the 12th century Gesta Hungarorum as "Erdeuleu". Erdel, the Turkish equivalent originates from this form, too.



In Hungarian, erdő is forest.
Erdei is an adjective, means something along the lines of "woodsy", covered in forests.
Erdész means forester.

It is obvious where Erdély comes from, while Ardeal is simply a Romanian copy of the Hungarian term.

There are many similar examples like this:
Erdőd became Ardud.
Erdődhegy became Ardud-Vii.

The Romanian terms mean absolutely nothing, simply copies of the Hungarian names.

[Anonym]

Transylvania is Hungarian land

Come here and say it!


"and everything that is there is Hungarian"
No is not!The old settelments on wich many Romanians and Hungarians live are of our ancestors. Once again, Dacians and Romans are Romanians ancestors,do you want me to draw it for you?
No one need your Hungarian objects or animals , like an arch or a horse.



Probably the more civilized ones from Transylvania or Moldova.
Pure speculations.


Also very likely a rare propaganda stunt.
Yeah after they eat , is propaganda...


Why dont you read about Antonescus pogroms against Hungarians, also the Maniu Guards, etc before you open your mouth.

You compared the Romanian-Hungarian war in 1919 with Treznea massacre ,wich was not the same!

[Dacul]

Romans never had settlements where Cluj is now,lol,because they never conquered that area.
Dacians had towns,that is known.
So these names,as Napoca are pure nonsense.
Old name of Alba Iulia was Balgrad,which means white city and it was slavic.
But some noobs kissers in catholic jesuits asses started with all this latinist move.
They were so noobs,that they did not saw that what romanians lack to be closed to old latins is education,not language....
Average romanian can not even speak standard romanian right,as for latin,lol!
You southerners are calling yourselves descendants of latins?
If latins were like average southern romanian,their empire could not even be founded,because the workers for the roads would have stolen the rocks for it!
Lol,you people have no shame,how can you call such a shithole as South Romania descendants of latins?
You did not looked at pictures with Rome?
Bucharest is having most street dogs from all big cities in Europe,now to be sincere I did not heard they were having in Rome such a thing!

EDIT:
No offense,but if you visit cities from South Romania,they rather look as jewo-gypo education and "culture" such a dirt can only be seen in India and in Israel,not in Europe.
And this idea to be slick,is very common between jews.
This word,very appreciated between South Romanians "trebuie sa fii smecher,nu fraier" I also heard as folk saying in Israel (that is translated something : you need to be slick,not honest).

[Szegedist]

Dacul it must be difficult to be an honest person in Romania.

[Anonym]

Romans never had settlements where Cluj is now,lol,because they never conquered that area.
Dacians had towns,that is known.
So these names,as Napoca are pure nonsense.


Possible etymologies for Napoca or Napuca include the names of some Dacian tribes such as the Naparis or Napaei, the Greek term napos (νάπος), meaning "timbered valley" or the Indo-European root *snā-p- (Pokorny 971-2), "to flow, to swim, damp".[16]


On the site of the city was a pre-Roman settlement named Napoca. After the AD 106 Roman conquest of the area, the place was known as Municipium Aelium Hadrianum Napoca.
Quoted from Wikipedia


Old name of Alba Iulia was Balgrad,which means white city and it was slavic.



Apulum was a fort in the Roman province of Dacia in the 2nd and 4th centuries AD, located in today's Alba-Iulia, Romania.(...)
It was built in the former Dacian settlement Apoulon.
Quoted from Wikipedia

[Dacul]

There are written documents in which Alba-Iulia is called Balgrad.
Romans did not even conquered the area where Cluj is.
Those written on wikipedia are just lies,some fanatic latinist liar wrote them.
Give me the source please,where is written that romans conquered the area where Cluj is now.
An settlement is very different from a city,you think I am moron and you are slick and you can trick me?
Sorry,I lived between South Romanians too much and I know their lol tricks.
If it was a roman town where Alba Iulia is,or where Cluj is how come they did not found any ruins?
What happened to the ruins?
Do not tell me,hungarian and slavs came and conquered the city and took the stones away from there,to hide the "evidences".
Lol.
The source from Wikipedia,in which is told about this town being "latin" is from Lazarovici.
Any real romanian would tell Lazarovici is jewish name.
Why you did not completed your religion field?
Are you jew Anonym?

[Albion]

Natural borders can be rivers or streams, but there isn't an essentially need for them any more. I think you're just trying to provoke the Hungarians here.

[Szegedist]

Natural borders can be rivers or streams, but there isn't an essentially need for them any more. I think you're just trying to provoke the Hungarians here.

Or the Carpathian Mountains.

[Dacul]

The border between Transylvania and jewo-gypo-South Romania is common sense and honesty and liking to work,which most south romanians do not have.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Hungary is a midget country that couldn't take a candy from a baby yet hungarians dream of border shifting. Wake up people! Trianon is final.

[Corvus]

Hungary is a midget country that couldn't take a candy from a baby yet hungarians dream of border shifting. Wake up people! Trianon is final.

Don`t be disrespectful towards Hungarians. I would rather suggest that Hungarians and Romanians reconcile

[Szegedist]

Hungary is a midget country that couldn't take a candy from a baby yet hungarians dream of border shifting. Wake up people! Trianon is final.

The size of the Hungarian nation is far greater than it's current physical borders. We will get our justice one day, even independence for Transylvania will do, as long as it is not ruled by your mafia from Bucugypsy.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Don`t be disrespectful towards Hungarians. I would rather suggest that Hungarians and Romanians reconcile
I was only stating the obvious. Hungary doesn't have the military power to take on any of its neighbors, especially Romania who's the strongest of them all. As if the military weakness wasn't enough hungarians proved themselves to be diplomatically inept, they somehow managed to isolate themselves on the international arena.
This whole discussion is futile, border changes in Hungary's favor will never happen, it's just not going to happen.

[Szegedist]

How can this beautiful land be ruled by the slick primitive Mexicans from Wallachia?

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/295181_511011925610454_2072078136_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542404_362702543774727_1258578634_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/248350_206283079416675_7861834_n.jpg
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Meanwhile in Wallachia, well just watch Borat.

Giving it to Wallachians was a crime not just against Hungary, but against culture, history and human decency.

[Anonym]

Those written on wikipedia are just lies,some fanatic latinist liar wrote them.
Give me the source please,where is written that romans conquered the area where Cluj is now.

I gave you a source , how you consider it to be, is none of my business. I'm really curious if those who write on Wikipedia are "fanatic latinist liars" :D


Romans did not even conquered the area where Cluj is.

In Judetul Cluj (Cluj area)there is Potaissa castra, Samum castra etc.
http://www.turismland.ro/wp-content/gallery/castrul-roman-potaissa/castrul-roman-potaissa-1.jpg
http://www.infopensiuni.ro/cazare-caseiu/obiective-turistice-caseiu/castrul-roman-samum_4913/poza-image002.jpg




An settlement is very different from a city,you think I am moron and you are slick and you can trick me?

Man , giving you a quote from Wikipedia is not tricking or slick ! So please stop with the unnecessary accusations! Is official information that can be read and quoted by people ,so if you don't like it ,why don't you argue with those who write it on Wikipedia?


Sorry,I lived between South Romanians too much and I know their lol tricks.
If it was a roman town where Alba Iulia is,or where Cluj is how come they did not found any ruins?
What happened to the ruins?
Do not tell me,hungarian and slavs came and conquered the city and took the stones away from there,to hide the "evidences".
Lol.


"What happened to the ruins?"

Apulum (castra)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/c/c6/ApulumPoartaPrincipalisDextra.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Castrum_Apulum_2011_-_Porta_Principalis_Dextra-1.jpg/248px-Castrum_Apulum_2011_-_Porta_Principalis_Dextra-1.jpg
Potaissa castra
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/2006_0602TurdaPotaissaBath0109.jpg/800px-2006_0602TurdaPotaissaBath0109.jpg

[Anonym]

How can this beautiful land be ruled by the slick primitive Mexicans from Wallachia?

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/295181_511011925610454_2072078136_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542404_362702543774727_1258578634_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/248350_206283079416675_7861834_n.jpg
jxyrr1dRa8k

Meanwhile in Wallachia, well just watch Borat.

Giving it to Wallachians was a crime not just against Hungary, but against culture, history and human decency.


Go away with your propaganda savage, no one gave it to Romanians it always belonged to us!

[Dacul]

I was at Cluj plenty of times and never saw there roman ruins.
You can post here ruins from other parts and say those are roman ruins.
And I do not believe those are remaining of roman ruins near Cluj.
Anyway,a castra was a military settlement and not a city.
Stop lieing without shame,I already told you,you can not trick me.
However,only a slick south romanian can lie without shame,about the "roman" ancestors of people from Romania.
The colonists,that Roman Empire brought here,were not latins,but gauls.
Rofl.
So go lie somewhere else about the "latin origins" of the romanians.
Anyway,those colonists no one knows if they survived,lol.
There is not even such an ethnicity as "roman" were latins and so on.
And if we should take it after your "logic" Romania should be germanic,since goths and visigoths ruled Dacia much more than Roman Empire did,lol.
Since Roman Empire did not even ruled this land for 150 years,but for less.
Do not tell me,in 150 years the people from here changed their language,lol,and learned vulgar latin.
Such a lie.

How you explain the common wallachian-bulgarian empire,than?
They were speaking with translators?
Rofl.

Genetic testing proves without any doubt the fanatism and lack of common sense of latinists.
There is almost no trace of paternal lines from Roman Empire in romanian DNA.
But the paternal lines are very closed to either Bulgaria,either Serbia,etc.
This is not "KGB propaganda" but just science.
Latinists can not stand against this scientific truth (genetic testing).
So Anonym,go lie somewhere else where you can find people who know less about genetics and so on.
I do not even think you are romanian,I think you are jewish.
Jews want to use propaganda,to say romanians are latins,so they should be enraged against slavic nations and Hungary.
This way,jews can lead romanians and exploit them.

I would prefer any hungarian president over the idiot which Basescu is,he is kissing Israel in the ass,same about the other idiot Ponta which does same.

[Dacul]

Oh the jew of Anonym left,it seems she is missing inspiration,rofl.

[Szegedist]

Go away with your propaganda savage, no one gave it to Romanians it always belonged to us!

Facts.

1) It was indeed given to you by the greater powers.
2) Always belonged to you? There was no such thing as Romania until 1866. There was no Romania in 895, 450, etc either. So always belonged to you my ass.

Moldova always belonged to us, that is how stupid your "logic" is :))))

[Anonym]

I was at Cluj plenty of times and never saw there roman ruins.
You can post here ruins from other parts and say those are roman ruins.
And I do not believe those are remaining of roman ruins near Cluj.

Bullshit ! They where not from other part ! I posted Roman ruins near Cluj Potaissa castra, Samum anyone can find that with just a click smartass!

About slick South Romanian , your the only "Romanian" I saw untill now to use such terms and present the situation of Romanians like they hate each other with passion .You made a drama over it! You know it isn't like this in real life!
I'm just a text on a screen you don't know shit about me , yet you acuse me! This is shitty propaganda you are doing!


The colonists,that Roman Empire brought here,were not latins,but gauls.
Rofl.
So go lie somewhere else about the "latin origins" of the romanians.

Are you mental ? I post some informations about some locations I was not even talking about Romanians latinity , but you are so obsesd you see in every post a threat !


[QUOTE=Dacul;1346473]So Anonym,go lie somewhere else where you can find people who know less about genetics and so on.

Once again I didn't claimed anything , I post official information and if you want to fight FIGHT WITH THEM!


I do not even think you are romanian,I think you are jewish.
Jews want to use propaganda,to say romanians are latins,so they should be enraged against slavic nations and Hungary.
This way,jews can lead romanians and exploit them.

I'm not Jewish, don't acuse me of what you are joker! I'm Romanian and I don't want to exploit anyone , I'm the one exploit! You and Szegedist want to make Romanians like thay are different nations : the nobile North Romanian , the slick "Jewish" South Romanians. You make them look like they fight eachother ! NOT TRUE !: Desbine and conquer! Meanwhile the Hungarians make propaganda bring right-wingers in Romania and try to steal Romanian land with our Gouvernment help; and they make it look like every Transilvanian wants to unite with Hungary wich is not true! Or like every Transilvanian despise South Romanians , I won't get fooled by your silly games jokers!


I would prefer any hungarian president over the idiot which Basescu is,he is kissing Israel in the ass,same about the other idiot Ponta which does same.

Don't drag this discussion on the political field joker ! I don't like Basescu ,I don't like Iliescu , I don't like Ponta ,I'm aware that they sold our country! Why don't Romanian people do something about it ? Complaining is not enough!
But I don't want to have a Hungarian president! If you like to have a Hungarian president then MOVE to Hungary goddamit!