Getting children when?

[HawkR]

So, another poll. The reason I ask this is because a friend of mine (15) is now going to be a daddy with his gf (16). So, as the question says; What's the "best" age to have children (in your eyes)?

[Tabiti]

When the couple feel ready. But being mum/dad under 20 is not the best choice you can have in your life.

For me, personally, 30 - 35 like my mother or never...

[Vulpix]

It totally depends on the individual. Some shouldn't even reproduce.

[HawkR]

But why 30 pluss? Like, if education takes that long, a-okay, but of not I don't see no problem. One have a tendency to say a couple ain't mature enough to have kid when they're in their twenties, but having a kid does something to ya, not talking out of experience though.

[Vulpix]

Because you might not feel ready?

[Tabiti]

I finish my education next year, but it is not that, since I already have "classmates" with babies in my university and they succeed pretty well with both family and educational issues.
I prefer to find a stable job, start certain career, left my parents and learn to live with someone else, no overcome my sense of egoism, first. Not the last, I prefer my current situation, because feel still young, irresponsible and unmature to take care even for myself.

[Phlegethon]

Honest self-reflexion is the first step towards wisdom. Congrats!

[Rainraven]

Well when the couple feels ready is always going to be the best time because ready and prepared parents will be the best.

Personally I would hope 25-30, I will be finished my education when I am 22-24 (depending on what degree I decide to do) but then I will have a $50,000 student loan and not be in a great position for having kids so would want to wait a few more years. However I am hoping to have 4 kids (:P) so I can't be starting too late! :D

Oh and I need a man :p

[Wildland]

Stay out of alcohol, cigarettes, exercise and leave healthy, there won't be a problem becoming a parent at the age of 30-32.

[Phlegethon]

"When the couple feel ready" is nonsense. It should read "When the couple is ready". So, most likely, never.

[Rachel]

My mother had me when she was 30, and when i got to an age where i started thinking about children i think i first started with the idea that 30+ is a good age if only so that you can get everything out of your system ( drugs drinking crazy party nights.) out of your system but then agian if you ready at 25 and are willing to take on that responsability i don't see why not.

[finironcross]

30 is too old. Women should start having kids at around 18-19 years old, since they need at least four.

[Absinthe]

30 is too old. Women should start having kids at around 18-19 years old, since they need at least four.
What do they need them for? To get benefits? :D

[Phlegethon]

Organs for replacement.

[Tabiti]

And what about men?

P.S. Some males are never grown enough to have girlfriends, what to talk about children?

Different persons, different aims! For now I don't need children and more important - children don't need me!
But young girls (over 18!), chosen to be mothers must be encouraged and helped in the good of our high birth rate. The same with boys, since children don't belong only to their mothers.

[Phlegethon]

P.S. Some males are never grown enough to have girlfriends, what to talk about children?

That alone does not seem to keep the girls away from them. This is why I am all for segregation. ;)

[Amarantine]

So, another poll. The reason I ask this is because a friend of mine (15) is now going to be a daddy with his gf (16). So, as the question says; What's the "best" age to have children (in your eyes)?

15 and 16 years??? This is absolutly out of question for me! They are kids, are they are insane? They never heard about contraception? From which country are they?

[Amarantine]

Organs for replacement.

:eek:

[Tabiti]

15 and 16 years??? This is absolutly out of question for me! They are kids, are they are insane? They never heard about contraception? From which country are they?
Maybe it was not "an accident", I hope...

[HawkR]

15 and 16 years??? This is absolutly out of question for me! They are kids, are they are insane? They never heard about contraception? From which country are they?

Haha, Norway. And, well, HE wants her to take an abortion, SHE won't, neither does her parents. So, what can he do, kick her in the stumach?

[Tabiti]

I can "smell" another single teen mother...Hope her parents will help her with the baby.

[Phlegethon]

Maybe it was not "an accident", I hope...

Accidents happen. This manati simply rolled over to grab the remote and boom! Pregnant! ;)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VbDhsP0-uTw/SZkUsblNuVI/AAAAAAAACXU/ZKtD9EEcc7o/s400/worlds-youngest-father.jpg

[Tabiti]

Life can be so unfair. There are couples trying to have children for years and teens who get pregnant only by one sign.

[Amarantine]

Haha, Norway. And, well, HE wants her to take an abortion, SHE won't, neither does her parents. So, what can he do, kick her in the stumach?


Maybe it was not "an accident", I hope...

You see, it is "an accident", in that age is always like that!

But, if she has fully emotional and financial and all others support from her parents, ok, but she will suffer later a lot of. Becouse her life will be completely different and she didn't and she will not spend her "girlish" time in proper and usuall way. She has to be very strong mentaly for baby raising, becouse a baby is not a toy. It's a person, immediatelly!

Norway don't have Durex? :cool:

[Tabiti]

Some just see things from different angle. She may want to be a mother, not to life "girlish". We can't judge people easily from our side of view, you know.

Well, many teens think "Durex/contraception is for others who can't control themselves. That could not happen to me." :D

[Phlegethon]

Norway don't have Durex? :cool:


Norweenies have issues with fine motor skills.

And Scandinaivians have RFSU, the riksförbundet för sexuell upplysning.

http://www.rfsu.com/trustinlust/images/produkter.jpg

[Amarantine]

Accidents happen. This manati simply rolled over to grab the remote and boom! Pregnant! ;)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VbDhsP0-uTw/SZkUsblNuVI/AAAAAAAACXU/ZKtD9EEcc7o/s400/worlds-youngest-father.jpg

It was just a case of manipulation, but I heard for many cases of teenage mothers with support of parents, and the others usually take an abortian again with the (usually) Mothers support.

[The Lawspeaker]

Haha, Norway. And, well, HE wants her to take an abortion, SHE won't, neither does her parents. So, what can he do, kick her in the stumach?
Be sensible and become a parent (he should have thought of it before going to bed with her). I know a couple that did the same thing here in the Netherlands when I was still in middle school. (both were 15)

Anyways- a good friend of mine (Norwegian) was 17 when she became a mother (still single- I am not sure what became of her ex though).

[Amarantine]

Some just see things from different angle. She may want to be a mother, not to life "girlish". We can't judge people easily from our side of view, you know.

Well, many teens think "Durex/contraception is for others who can't control themselves. That could not happen to me." :D

No, I don't believe she wants to be a mother in 16! No way...

[Amarantine]

Be sensible and become a parent (he should have thought of it before going to bed with her). I know a couple that did the same thing here in the Netherlands when I was still in middle school. (both were 15)

Anyways- a good friend of mine (Norwegian) was 17 when she became a mother (still single- I am not sure what became of her ex though).

It was just a sex, I am sure, nothing with sensitivity...ok ok may be I am not fair in this case, but...

[The Lawspeaker]

It was just a sex, I am sure, nothing with sensitivity...ok ok may be I am not fair in this case, but...
Well. If you don't want to loose- don't go to the casino...
I know one thing: my friend may be busy all the time and stressed (thank the Gods she has her parents) but she is a wonderful mother and no guy that would ever date her would need to be ashamed of it.
I know that I wouldn't be.

[Sally]

Strangely enough, no one has ever wanted to impregnate me. Oh, except for the skinhead who told me (at age 15!) that I'd make the perfect Aryan breeding machine. :rolleyes2:

[Amarantine]

Well. If you don't want to loose- don't go to the casino...
I know one thing: my friend may be busy all the time and stressed (thank the Gods she has her parents) but she is a wonderful mother and no guy that would ever date her would need to be ashamed of it.
I know that I wouldn't be.


So what? I don't see a connection with sex or sensitivity between couples either? Are we talking about the same thing here?:confused:

[Brännvin]

Haha, Norway. And, well, HE wants her to take an abortion, SHE won't, neither does her parents. So, what can he do, kick her in the stumach?

Well, he will have to take responsibility for their mess.. :D

[The Lawspeaker]

So what? I don't see a connection with sex or sensitivity between couples either? Are we talking about the same thing here?:confused:
Yes we are. As sex and sensitivity between couples ought to be intertwined.

[Absinthe]

Strangely enough, no one has ever wanted to impregnate me. Oh, except for the skinhead who told me (at age 15!) that I'd make the perfect Aryan breeding machine. :rolleyes2:
If it helps at all, I wouldn't mind impregnating you if I were a man :D :rofl:

(that's not a lesbian suggestion, just a compliment that you are a really nice person :lol:)

[Phlegethon]

If it helps at all, I wouldn't mind impregnating you if I were a man :D :rofl:

(that's not a lesbian suggestion, just a compliment that you are a really nice person :lol:)

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[Absinthe]

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1218/a1218_bm.gif
Like you'd miss the chance to make fun of me :D

[Phlegethon]

You know me all too well.

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[Svarog]

omg, 15 years.. I might be a dork but when I was 15 I did not even know what sex is, i am sure such persons are not ready to have children, they don't even know what are they doing, at the age of 15 I would change my mind on whatever 5 times a day and yet I am very mature for my age and even then was rather mature, at least more than most of my friends, c'mon, 15 years old cannot make such a decision and be sure he will think like that in a week.

OH, and it is not like they are deciding are they gonna go on a seaside together, it is children we're talking about here, even 25+ mature set up people sometimes don't know how to handle them

[Svarog]

30 is too old. Women should start having kids at around 18-19 years old, since they need at least four.

So, how many do you have?

Or is it just the advice you're willing to give and not to take?

[finironcross]

I am not a woman.

[Svarog]

So you're suggesting that no woman should live to see age of 21 childless?

While you can wait until you feel ready or whatever, but most likely until you find some girl crazy enough to give you three kids before she is 22, if I were you, I'd start sabotaging my own smurf rubbers or it might be a long wait.

[finironcross]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. It is unfortunate that the only way we can save our race is such a disgusting concept to you.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. It is unfortunate that the only way we can save our race is such a disgusting concept to you.
Not really. Getting rid of all the immigrants (by forced repatriation) would be a good first start and give us a lot of breathing space.

[Svarog]

Show me the part I said it is disgusting, babies can't be disgusting, I say it is mindless

[finironcross]

Not really. Getting rid of all the immigrants (by forced repatriation) would be a good first start and give us a lot of breathing space.

But kinsman, consider this: by 2048 there will be 9 billion people on this planet; out of this, there will be, if we take a liberal stance, perhaps around 500 million White people. Do you think that expelling non-Whites is good enough, when they outnumber us so badly?

But I digress. Perhaps it is better to allow the women to wait until they are 40, infertile and physically unfit to bear children. It could be that this is the road to our salvation.

[The Lawspeaker]

But kinsman, I am not your kin. And I have no wish to be affiliated with you.
consider this: by 2048 there will be 9 billion people on this planet; out of this, there will be, if we take a liberal stance, perhaps around 500 million White people. Do you think that expelling non-Whites is good enough, when they outnumber us so badly? Well--- it isn't 2048 just yet is it and forecasts have been wrong before. Expelling them would be a good start and it will give us time and breathing space to return to a healthier society. And no- that doesn't mean NS values but traditional values.
But I digress. Perhaps it is better to allow the women to wait until they are 40, infertile and physically unfit to bear children. It could be that this is the road to our salvation. That would be equally silly.

[finironcross]

You are not racially my kin? Why create such wedges?
It is your impassionate 'traditional values' that got us into this mess in the first place. Keep it in mind. The world will not be changed without revolutionary thought. Simply 'falling back' will not do.

[The Lawspeaker]

You are not racially my kin? My countrymen are my kin (including Flemings, Frisians and Afrikaners). I haven't seen a Dutch, Flemish, Frisian or Afrikaans flag on you.
Why create such wedges? Read above for the main reason. The other is your Weltanschauung.
It is your impassionate 'traditional values' that got us into this mess in the first place. Keep it in mind. The world will not be changed without revolutionary thought. Simply 'falling back' will not do. Traditional values have been torn out of our society since the 1960's and hence do not take the blame for the present decline. It's revolutionary thought that is the enemy. Socialist revolutionary thought- and I consider national socialism to be a kind of socialism: and hence it is my enemy.

[Absinthe]

It is unfortunate that the only way we can save our race is such a disgusting concept to you.

Well, well.... :)

First of all if we had a dime for every time someone suggests that having as many kids as possible will "save our race" then we'd be rich by now, wouldn't we? :)

Don't get me wrong I'm neither being ironic nor against having a family here. I wish to have one myself as soon as possible.

But I also wish that people would get over this overly simplistic and somewhat immature mentality that breeding is the sole answer to our problems.

You see...

I wish we were back in the 1900's were a family could just live on potatoes and the love they have for each other but unfortunately the world has "progressed" far from that.

Life is so complicated now and the societies whose race you want to save are so competive and cruel that having children alone is not the answer.

One needs to ensure their children a decent life. An education, a safe environment (hard to find nowadays), a proper upbringing (one that will be reversed as soon as they go to school unfortunately) and a way to make a decent living.

On top of that, one needs to find a partner that is stable and reliable enough to have children with. Do you realize how hard that is nowadays?

Moreover, it gets more profound than this.

You can't "save" a race that doesn't want to be saved.

Have you thought about the fact that if "whites" were not so stupid to succumb to this materialistic, competitive and self-destructive lifestyle, there wouldn't have been a demographic problem to begin with?

Have you thought about the fact that the "white" race is solely responsible for the menace it brought upon itself?

And please don't tell me that the Jews are the ones to blame. Because in that way you deny the assertion that the "white" race has a free will.

I am really sorry to say but things are looking rather ugly for us. We can always hope but I don't see anything happening, not even if each of us have 10 children.

It's because the problem lies in our minds, not our numbers.

[finironcross]

My countrymen are my kin (including Flemings).

Race? This is not a concept you subscribe to?

[Svarog]

You are not racially my kin? Why create such wedges?
It is your impassionate 'traditional values' that got us into this mess in the first place. Keep it in mind. The world will not be changed without revolutionary thought. Simply 'falling back' will not do.

Without Kosovo, Serbia is mostly inhabited by white Serbs (Hungarians, Croatians, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Romanians) and whiteness percentage is way over 80%, there are between 10 and 15 black people in the nearest 500.000 town, yet not one of my female friends which are definitely over 18 years old have any kids, see, it's possible.

[The Lawspeaker]

Race? This is not a concept you subscribe to? I subscribe less to race then to nationalism. Those that speak my tongue and are of my blood are my kin.

[finironcross]

Well, well.... :)

First of all if we had a dime for every time someone suggests that having as many kids as possible will "save our race" then we'd be rich by now, wouldn't we? :)

I understand. I do not mean that breeding is the only required action. It is however, the most critical. When the enemy outnumbers us 18:1, we must seek to even the numbers. You do understand this, right?


Don't get me wrong I'm neither being ironic nor against having a family here. I wish to have one myself as soon as possible.

I wish you all the best. Having a family is a true blessing.


I wish we were back in the 1900's were a family could just live on potatoes and the love they have for each other but unfortunately the world has "progressed" far from that.

Life is so complicated now and the societies whose race you want to save are so competive and cruel that having children alone is not the answer.

One needs to ensure their children a decent life. An education, a safe environment (hard to find nowadays), a proper upbringing (one that will be reversed as soon as they go to school unfortunately) and a way to make a decent living.

On top of that, one needs to find a partner that is stable and reliable enough to have children with. Do you realize how hard that is nowadays?

I absolutely hear where you are coming from. But it is also within our power to strip our societies of petty materialism and the gotta-have mentality. This change can only emanate from within. We have the power to create a society without class, a society full of proud people. A society of Folk who do not need the latest sweatshop-Nikes to feel good about themselves. It is my dream.


You can't "save" a race that doesn't want to be saved.

Have you thought about the fact that if "whites" were not so stupid to succumb to this materialistic, competitive and self-destructive lifestyle, there wouldn't have been a demographic problem to begin with?

Have you thought about the fact that the "white" race is solely responsible for the menace it brought upon itself?

No. We are not solely responsible, and apathy created amongst us by our mortal enemies is not our own doing. If we seek to place the majority of the blame on our fellow kin, then we are surely doomed for destruction. At this crucial moment in the ten-thousand year history of our people, we must have positivity. We must not judge them.


And please don't tell me that the Jews are the ones to blame. Because in that way you deny the assertion that the "white" race has a free will.

It is not denial of free will. It is placing the majority of the blame where it belongs. You see, it is not the Jews who are inferior to us. They are superior in many ways, of which they are more capable in one field: our race is naive. This naivete has allowed our enemies to grasp the initiative in our struggle which has lasted for nearly two thousand years at present.


I am really sorry to say but things are looking rather ugly for us. We can always hope but I don't see anything happening, not even if each of us have 10 children.

It's because the problem lies in our minds, not our numbers.

If we give up hope, then we will die. Even though the majority of us are in a drugged daze in regards to our current condition, those of us with clear minds must hoist the flag and seek ways to Awaken our brothers and sisters.

[finironcross]

Without Kosovo, Serbia is mostly inhabited by white Serbs (Hungarians, Croatians, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Romanians) and whiteness percentage is way over 80%, there are between 10 and 15 black people in the nearest 500.000 town, yet not one of my female friends which are definitely over 18 years old have any kids, see, it's possible.

When in history has the black man ever posed a threat to us? No, my good man, it is not them who threaten us. It is those who gamble in the background, who move the pieces on the board.

[Absinthe]

I absolutely hear where you are coming from. But it is also within our power to strip our societies of petty materialism and the gotta-have mentality. This change can only emanate from within. We have the power to create a society without class, a society full of proud people. A society of Folk who do not need the latest sweatshop-Nikes to feel good about themselves. It is my dream.


Yes dear, that is basically my point, that in order to get anywhere we need to change our mentality first.

The whole Western world needs to be changed, abolish capitalism, materialism, corporatism, multinational corporations, etc, revert to a more traditional and self-sufficient lifestyle and so on.

I have personally concluded that neither capitalism nor socialism are good for the world anymore, I would say I lean towards some sort of a social democracy, Scandinavian style, minus the immigrants and plus national pride.

You know, where everyone gets a free education, health care, etc, and basic living conditions are ensured by the State whereas at the same time there is room for personal development and some reasonable competition.

Also motives for people to have a family and state support to ensure that people can take care of their families properly.

Surely having children helps but it cannot stand alone, without social change.

I will reply to the rest of your points later on because they need me to work.

Work...pfffft...how dare they disturb my online activities? :D

[Svarog]

When in history has the black man ever posed a threat to us? No, my good man, it is not them who threaten us. It is those who gamble in the background, who move the pieces on the board.

There are between 5-10 jews, the only Synagogue in the town was turned into a concert hall because there were no people to go and pray there, the only Jewish girl that I knew moved out of the country back to Israel because people were calling her Anne Franck, that was back in high-school.

And beside, you just contradicted yourself now, you do admit that quantity do not rule over but an intellect, so if minority can rule over us and we can rule over other majorities such are blacks, I don't see why instead of trying and gain control the alternative way we need to go for the increasing of the population forcefully and decrease the quality of the majority of people.

Gods forbid I am anti-family person as I myself aim for three or more kids.

[Loki]

When in history has the black man ever posed a threat to us? No, my good man, it is not them who threaten us. It is those who gamble in the background, who move the pieces on the board.

You read too many fiction novels.

[Revenant]

Over 18 and under 30 is the ideal breeding age. Other interesting facts on fertility on IVF specialists' websites. The brain stops its development around 23 that also might be something to consider.

I'd also add that from my barnyard breeding experience males have a ideal age or a biological clock for breeding too probably not much different to females (my opinion only).

I'm almost 30 and no kids or marriage for me. If they were to come about by "accident" I would certainly get married and take responsibility for them though.

[sturmwalkure]

Between 25-30 for me personally. I am in no hurry. It's just different from person to person when they think it's the right age to start a family. I'm not emotionally mature enough to even take care of or handle myself at this time in my life.

[Atlas]

Good thread Hawk and very good question, in my opinion just when the couple feel ready, I voted 25-30 which is my age I should hurry up I don't even have a girlfriend.

Still, I know some couple who had kids around 20 and things seems to be doing good for them, I don't know if theres really is an ideal age. You decide with your partner.

[Brännvin]

For me only after the 30 I will be thinking being a dad, currently I am young and very selfish to this obligation..

[Äike]

25-30 would be the best. As over here, if you're a normal Estonian, then you finish university at the age of 24.


Estonias are well-educated. Education is highly valued in Estonia because as a small nation with no exceptional resources, they believe that the only way to be competitive is to absorb knowledge. There are so many highly educated people in Estonia that it is becoming a problem in the labour market - there aren't enough workers for jobs that requiring minimal education (trade jobs).

[Spaniard_Truth]

Well, I'm infertile now. I have some semen stored away, but I've had conflicting info on how long it can be preserved (some doctors tell me 10 or so years, others tell me indefinitely). It's unlikely I'll ever find a partner, and especially not within 10 years, so I probably won't have the chance to reproduce. If I did have the chance, I would do it immediately. I have very little interest in material gain, status etc. that deter other young people from reproducing. I see no need to wait, and in fact I'd seize the opportunity as quick as possible before it slipped me by.

People should start having children in their late teens/early twenties. Starting at 30+ leaves little time for more than a couple of kids, and many have Down Syndrome.

[Tabiti]

Starting at 30+ leaves little time for more than a couple of kids, and many have Down Syndrome.
There are chances for Dawn Syndrome in every age, they just grow after 35. But there are tests.
Giving your first birth at 30 often means you are not planning to have more than one kid.

The chance of having a baby with Down syndrome increases as a woman gets older—from about 1 in 1,250 for a woman who gets pregnant at age 25, to about 1 in 100 for a woman who gets pregnant at age 40. But, most babies with Down syndrome are born to women under age 35 because more younger women have babies.


Because the chances of having a baby with Down syndrome increase with the age of the mother, many health care providers recommend that women over age 35 have prenatal testing for the condition. Testing the baby before it is born to see if he or she is likely to have Down syndrome allows parents and families to prepare for the baby’s special needs.


Parents who have already have a baby with Down syndrome or who have abnormalities in their own chromosome 21 are also at higher risk for having a baby with Down Syndrome.
Once the baby is born, a blood test can confirm whether the baby has Down syndrome.

[Svarog]

Down syndrome does not have all that much to do with the age of a woman, some of the world biggest geniuses were born by 'older' mothers, there is even a theory that older parents produce smarter kids, it's all crap, age is irrelevant and even when it start to matters it is way over 30, there is a theory that parents with big age difference gives 'better' kids too, it's all just fun to read and have little to do with 'truth'

[Spaniard_Truth]

Down syndrome does not have all that much to do with the age of a woman, some of the world biggest geniuses were born by 'older' mothers, there is even a theory that older parents produce smarter kids, it's all crap, age is irrelevant and even when it start to matters it is way over 30, there is a theory that parents with big age difference gives 'better' kids too, it's all just fun to read and have little to do with 'truth'

Younger mothers' bodies are more likely to naturally terminate defective genes. It's evolutionary design that the older a woman is (i.e. the less likely she is to reproduce in future), the more defects a body will tolerate before terminating an embryo.

[Tabiti]

Younger mothers' bodies are more likely to naturally terminate defective genes. It's evolutionary design that the older a woman is (i.e. the less likely she is to reproduce in future), the more defects a body will tolerate before terminating an embryo.
Prove that because I haven't seen any evidence.
My mother was 30 when she gave birth to me, I know some who got healthy children in their 40's. My great grandmother born my grandfather when she was 42...
Personally, I don't support giving birth after 35 because your natural body clock. But that doesn't mean children born from older mothers are defective!

[Atlas]

It's just not only that Artisch. The main problem is that you'll have children 35 or even 40 years younger than you, that's too much. My father got me at 40 and sometimes when he was picking me at school ages ago, he was asked "are you the grandpa ?" Not very pleasant. Although in my parents case, it was not their fault, they had a hard time having a children.

[Atlas]

^^Post above edited, I meant my father.

[Spaniard_Truth]

Prove that because I haven't seen any evidence.
My mother was 30 when she gave birth to me, I know some who got healthy children in their 40's. My great grandmother born my grandfather when she was 42...
Personally, I don't support giving birth after 35 because your natural body clock. But that doesn't mean children born from older mothers are defective!

It's easy to prove that defects and miscarriages increase in likelihood with age. I proposed a reason for this. But why something happens is always of secondary importance. THAT something negative happens is reason enough to avoid it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage#Prevalence

[SwordoftheVistula]

For men, whenever they are financially stable enough to afford a stable place to live and other expenses. For women, whenever they meet such a man.

[Angantyr]

This is a topic near and dear to my heart. I am already 44. I do not want to be an old father. Moreover, I have wanted to have a family and children for decades.

I was married for five years but my wife committed adultery and it turned out for the better that we did not have children together. She would have been an unfit mother.

I am now intending to marry again and my future wife is considerably my junior. I have told her many times that I want a large family. So, no matter what I wanted or hoped, I will be at least 45 before I become a father and my wife will be young when she becomes a mother. (And by the time I become a father for the twelfth time, I will be at least 57. :wink )

Sometimes the best laid plans, made with the highest of purposes, do not come about. You deal with what life will give you.

I am now financially stable, so I guess there was at least one positive to ending up where I am now.

[Jägerstaffel]

Have them when you want them.

[Guapo]

Having a healthy child is a blessing at any age especially when you have lost one before.

[Amarantine]

This is a topic near and dear to my heart. I am already 44. I do not want to be an old father. Moreover, I have wanted to have a family and children for decades.

I was married for five years but my wife committed adultery and it turned out for the better that we did not have children together. She would have been an unfit mother.

I am now intending to marry again and my future wife is considerably my junior. I have told her many times that I want a large family. So, no matter what I wanted or hoped, I will be at least 45 before I become a father and my wife will be young when she becomes a mother. (And by the time I become a father for the twelfth time, I will be at least 57. :wink )

Sometimes the best laid plans, made with the highest of purposes, do not come about. You deal with what life will give you.

I am now financially stable, so I guess there was at least one positive to ending up where I am now.

You are already old father, but who cares,:thumb001: I am the child of older parents and I am happy with them and they are happy with me. But just to know, it is really ballast for me when I think about their health issues and other things, becouse I am so much emotionally connected to them.

I don't believe in "unfit mothers" this is just emty phraze of Western sociaty without real meaning, just to cover their own egocentrism...pfff

I keep my :thumb001:for u, make the kids...:wink

[lei.talk]

I have personally concluded that neither capitalism nor socialism are good for the world anymore, I would say I lean towards some sort of a social democracy, Scandinavian style, minus the immigrants and plus national pride.

You know, where everyone gets a free education, health care, etc, and basic living conditions are ensured by the State whereas at the same time there is room for personal development and some reasonable competition.where would the state procure the resources
to be dispensed to every one?

by pillaging conquered countries?

by seizing the production of the despised minority de jour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat)?

before a dollar can be spent or stolen,
it must be produced.

who would and why would any one
produce, if they knew it would be stolen
and dispensed as "free education, health care, etc,
and basic living conditions"?

in practice, karl marx's maxim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_accord ing_to_his_need)
did not produce a "superior" person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man),
but rather, an inferior manifestation of humanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Sovieticus).

it was, in deed, evolution in action:
life-forms evolved to fill the available ecologic niches.
to mis-quote:
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
- George Santayana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santayana)
learn about the history of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) - read the most detailed explication for free (http://www.capitalism.net/Capitalism/CAPITALISM_Internet.pdf)

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes dear, that is basically my point, that in order to get anywhere we need to change our mentality first.

The whole Western world needs to be changed, abolish capitalism, materialism, corporatism, multinational corporations, etc, revert to a more traditional and self-sufficient lifestyle and so on.

I have personally concluded that neither capitalism nor socialism are good for the world anymore, I would say I lean towards some sort of a social democracy, Scandinavian style, minus the immigrants and plus national pride.

You know, where everyone gets a free education, health care, etc, and basic living conditions are ensured by the State whereas at the same time there is room for personal development and some reasonable competition.

Also motives for people to have a family and state support to ensure that people can take care of their families properly.

Surely having children helps but it cannot stand alone, without social change.

I will reply to the rest of your points later on because they need me to work.

Work...pfffft...how dare they disturb my online activities? :D
That sounds very nice and in theory I would have to agree with you. But I don't think that what we have seen over the last couple of decades is real capitalism. It was a casino- sponsored by tax dollars (or euro's etc).

I agree with you that capitalism has it's shortcomings (for instance on a social level) but a Scandinavian system would give the government more power to control individual lives. A government that takes 20 years to build a road. A government that seeks to control our very lives and which is filled with corrupt people that failed just about every where else.

Capitalism in theory gives a human being the chance to advance on their own merits- and not using tax dollars squeezed out of the people to advance... into idleness.

I have to agree- the Scandinavian system looks great on paper but no system failed harder when it comes to dealing with unemployment and running the economy. The unemployment in Sweden has been very high (particularly under young people) since the 1980's.

But suppose that it would work for Europe: would you follow the Swedish system, the Danish system (flexicurity) or the Rhineland model ?

[Cato]

30ish.

[Angantyr]

You are already old father, but who cares,:thumb001: I am the child of older parents and I am happy with them and they are happy with me. But just to know, it is really ballast for me when I think about their health issues and other things, becouse I am so much emotionally connected to them.

I don't believe in "unfit mothers" this is just emty phraze of Western sociaty without real meaning, just to cover their own egocentrism...pfff

I keep my :thumb001:for u, make the kids...:wink

Thanks for the compliment that I will already be an old father.

On the other hand, I have to strongly differ with you on the topic of unfit mother. Sadly, such women do exist. My ex-wife did not only commit adultery, but continues to commit heinous acts that would be highly detrimental to the normal socialization of any child. Of course, I recognize that there is even worse out there, such as mothers who give their children crack or even outright kill them.

[Phlegethon]

My joy at being a midlife mother (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/21/pregnancy-women-late-mothers-relationships)


o Mariella Frostrup
o The Observer, Sunday 21 June 2009
o Article history

"Honey, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists warned last week that I need to have a baby by 35 or risk all sorts of complications, so shall we just get on with it?" It's an offer no man would refuse, so why do we women continue to deny them the opportunity to become fathers? Last time I looked, this country was chock full of young guys eager to embark on family life. That would be why so many of them hang around when their teenage girlfriends get pregnant. Eavesdrop on any gathering of men in their 20s and you'll hear them bemoaning the lack of available women with whom to have babies.

[Loki]

"Honey, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists warned last week that I need to have a baby by 35 or risk all sorts of complications, so shall we just get on with it?" It's an offer no man would refuse, so why do we women continue to deny them the opportunity to become fathers? Last time I looked, this country was chock full of young guys eager to embark on family life. That would be why so many of them hang around when their teenage girlfriends get pregnant. Eavesdrop on any gathering of men in their 20s and you'll hear them bemoaning the lack of available women with whom to have babies.

I don't get it. Do they imply men want children more than women do? Since when? :confused:

[Heimmacht]

I hope I will have kids and a steady job before I am 30 :/. It all depends only if life will be that kind to me.

[Phlegethon]

Men usually don't have problems with kids but with their mothers.

[Turkophagos]

Late 30's - 40 something, if I ever have any.

[Inese]

25-30 is a good time!! Not late and not too early. :) And i have 7-12 years time to search a good man now and make a good situation for starting a family.

[Phlegethon]

Those 7-12 years pass faster than you think. And then you realize that nothing has changed to the better. And you are still alone.

[Turkophagos]

And i have 7-12 years time to search a good man now and make a good situation for starting a family.


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[Atlas]

Those 7-12 years pass faster than you think. And then you realize that nothing has changed to the better. And you are still alone.

7 years have passed since I was 18 some girlfriends here and there. No kids. Still alone. You're right.

[Inese]

Those 7-12 years pass faster than you think. And then you realize that nothing has changed to the better. And you are still alone.
That is a very pessimistic view!! :rolleyes: Many things can happen in all the years from now. I want to finish school and start studying if i can , and maybe i am back in Latvia when i am 25!! :cool: Changes are everywhere and i hope i have changes to the good and not to the bad. I am optimistic for my future it can only get better!! :thumb001:

You know, to have fear of staying alone is not a problem for me ---- to find any partner is never problem but to find a good and fitting partner is difficult. Some man want to exploit and abuse you and you must sort them out with a good mind and insight in human nature!


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/sasampaste/fc014.jpg

I dont wait for the perfect man!! There are no perfect people in the world. But a good , loving and caring man is not a wish out of touch with reality i think

[Phlegethon]

Optimists simply don't have all the facts.

Back when I was 18 I wanted to change the world. Actually I still want that, but I no longer have that raging vitality of a teenager and it is hard to admit to the fact that the world has in effect changed me instead. And not to the better.

[Atlas]

Still no children Phlegethon ?

[Vargtand]

Eh well 15-35 seems a good age range.

[Phlegethon]

Still no children Phlegethon ?

None that I know of. ;)

[CommonSense]

25-30. You should already be financially ready, plus you're young enough for the child to be born without any risk of health issues.

[Moje ime]

asap

[Saiwalo]

For men: 30+
For women: 20-30

[gıulıoımpa]

just before thirty is ideal , you've got time for yourself, time to develop your job/studies if you really tried hard.

if your kids leave home at 22 to 25 you will still have some time for yourself when you're old.

[Óttar]

I legit might just put a chick in a condo and be like, "I want a kid with my last name, you want a kid and a condo. Let's make a deal." I don't think I could handle a wife and a screaming kid with me all the time. Only if the mom were super awesome.

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

young bro

[Meiv]

Above 20 and not more than 30/35.Getting older increases pregnancy and labour complications.

[amoora]

I should have kids soon, but I'm not ready for the responsibility

[Joso]

75 years. No less

[Nazarene]

Imo

21-25 for a female
25-30 for a male

[StevenTylerAerosmith]

I should have kids soon, but I'm not ready for the responsibility

u could have kids and then give them up for adoption

[Koralline]

I'm not thinking of kids at the moment but they should have it when they decide they are ready. Not like those people who make a lot of babies without taking into consideration financial matters and they are not mature enough. Also it would be nice to live your youth and hang out in early relationship.