FTDNA Y-DNA Advanced SNP test results relevant to R-P312/R-S116.

[Barreldriver]

This thread is for those of us who belong to R1b1a2a1a1b aka R-P312 or R-S116 so we can discuss possible advanced order/private SNPs to test for.

Full list of SNPs tested: P312+ P311+ P310+ L49+ L23+ U152- U106- SRY2627- P107- M65- M160- M153- M126- L48- L4- L21- L2- L176.2- L1- DF27- DF19-

My lineage origin is in South Yorkshire, England.

I'm thinking of trying L238 even though I've checked my 23andMe raw data, can anyone verify whether or not the raw data check fer 23andMe on L238/S182 is legit?

I had been using this for information to check my raw data against http://ymap.ftdna.com/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/hs_chrY/?name=ChrY%3A19712831..19712831

My understanding is that L238 is rs35199432 and if ye have the A instead of G that one is negative (I am an A for that SNP instead of G).

Only other SNPs I can think to test for are L147.3, L7, L253, L289, L326, M228.1, L719, or L881.

[Barreldriver]

From the R-P312 Project Yahoo group in response to me situation ("True P312*" at the moment):


You are correct in your interpretation of your 23andMe data yielding a L238- result.

And you are amongst the un-chosen few (currently six in all) who have tested negative for all major clades below P312 and thus given the designation by me as the "True P312*" since most who are considered P312* have yet to fully test.

We are not in waiting of another particular SNP to be released for testing by FTDNA that will add to the major clades below P312, although one could appear out of the blue from WTY, or testing being performed outside FTDNA. There is, however, two SNPs, Z245 and L459, that are of interest for testing by the current six True P312*.

Z245 and L459 have tested positive for every L21+ who has tested them, i.e., for Z245 there are 35 positive vs. 0 negative results, amongst L21 who tested Z245, and likewise, for L459 there are 59 positive vs. 0 negative results, amongst L21 who tested L459. Both Z245 and L459 have also been found to be negative for every other major clade under P312 (U152, DF27, DF19, L238 pending).

This means that Z245 and L459 are the ancestors of L21, and only L21 of the major clades below P312, therefore it is amongst the current six True P312* that a Z245 and/or L459 positive result should be sought, and in finding a Z245+ and/or L459+ amongst the True P312* we will have found the parent clade of L21.

It would be a notable find if one of the True P312* had a positive for Z245 and/or L459, so I hope you take the opportunity to be the pioneering founder of L21's parent. One another True P312* has ordered both Z245 and L459.

There are also many minor SNP finds below P312 that you could test that have not had any success as yet, where disappointment awaits. You can see a summary of these in message #4029 on this list, although the summary is out of date already particularly with regard to DF27, L617 (now under DF27), L1199 (now under DF19), L1200 (now under DF19).

Finally, a WTY test for any of the True P312* would be interesting and have a chance to discover a new small subclade of P312.

At present, you, and your fellow True P312*, have the best shot at escaping P312* with Z245 and L459 tests.

[Damião de Góis]

This thread is for those of us who belong to R1b1a2a1a1b aka R-P312 or R-S116

Are you sure it's not R1b1b2a1a2 ? But i'm guessing these terms have changed over the years.

[Barreldriver]

Are you sure it's not R1b1b2a1a2 ? But i'm guessing these terms have changed over the years.

The nomenclature was altered a year or so ago. Was a bit of a confusing switch. :P R1b1a2a1a1b is the new way to write it.

[Damião de Góis]

The nomenclature was altered a year or so ago. Was a bit of a confusing switch. :P R1b1a2a1a1b is the new way to write it.

Ok, but what do you have on 23andme, just out of curiosity? Is it R1b1a2a1a1b or R1b1b2a1a2 ?

Because i always read that R1b1b2a1a2 was S116.

[Barreldriver]

Ok, but what do you have on 23andme, just out of curiosity? Is it R1b1a2a1a1b or R1b1b2a1a2 ?

Because i always read that R1b1b2a1a2 was S116.

23andMe uses the outdated nomenclature so it's listed as R1b1b2a1a2, FTDNA and ISOGG have updated to R1b1a2a1a1b, both are S116/P312 just different ways of writing it.

[Barreldriver]

Got an L459 test in progress then will eventually test Z245. As a "True P312" this should be interestin' to see what develops, if positive then these SNPs are ancestral to L21, if negative then they may just be parallel clades I'd think.

[Barreldriver]

From P312 Yahoo group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/message/4776

A Jones who tested negative for L21 is positive for both L459 and Z245 meaning these are to be newly assigned as parents to L21. I'm currently waiting on my own L459 results but have yet to test for Z245.

[Barreldriver]

Got a Z245 test in progress still, let's see if it may be a parent to L459. Right now that "True P312" who tested was positive for both L459 and Z245 so no order between those two is really known yet.

[Barreldriver]

There may be some more testing options for us "True P312" individuals.

Here's some private SNPs that have caught some attention (as listed on the new R-P312 Draft Tree): http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=65388520

Approx. hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Priv)) L7

Approx. hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Priv)) L147.3

Approx. hg: R-P312 (ISOGG: R1b (Inv),R1b (Inv)) L220.1, L221

Approx hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Inv)) L253

Approx hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Inv)) L289

Approx. hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Inv)) L326

Approx. hg: R-P312* (ISOGG: R1b (Inv)) M228.1