[SPLIT] National Socialism and its compatibility with European preservation

[The Lawspeaker]

Wow... are you sure that this was not done by Hitlers' S.A ?
It sure were his tactics: employing a group of thugs to harass and intimidate political opponents.

Ooh wait--- now that I think of it: it is the standard tactics of the Left in Western Europe too. Their sense of respect for democracy is as pale as their morality.

[Groenewolf]

Wow... are you sure that this was not done by Hitlers' S.A ?
It sure were his tactics: employing a group of thugs to harass and intimidate political opponents.

More groups in Germany where using those kind of tactics in these days. Hitler only had better thugs on his side. Many political movements have employed groups of lowlives to harass and intimidate political opponents.

[finironcross]

Wow... are you sure that this was not done by Hitlers' S.A ?
It sure were his tactics: employing a group of thugs to harass and intimidate political opponents.

Ooh wait--- now that I think of it: it is the standard tactics of the Left in Western Europe too. Their sense of respect for democracy is as pale as their morality.

Why don't you stop constantly smearing the S.A. They were formed in response to the real thugs, that is the communists. There is no rational reason for any European nationalist to be so anti-NS. None.

[The Lawspeaker]

Why don't you stop constantly smearing the S.A. They were formed in response to the real thugs, that is the communists. There is no rational reason for any European nationalist to be so anti-NS. None.
Because Nazi's are the scum that gave us nationalists a very bad name: plus my country (neutral) was attacked and occupied. That's why.

[finironcross]

Because Nazi's are the scum that gave us nationalists a very bad name: plus my country (neutral) was attacked and occupied. That's why.

And it was a good time for your country. All the scumbag politicians who screwed you were tossed out. The other option was a bloody war on the Maginot line - is that what you would have preferred? It would have been inevitable, after all, since the French declared war.

Who gave nationalists a bad name wasn't the 'Nazis', for nationalists had a bad name long before the 'Nazis' came around, courtesy of Jewish media manipulation. You're a grown man; you need to learn to direct your anger at the right sources.

[The Lawspeaker]

And it was a good time for your country. All the scumbag politicians who screwed you were tossed out. The other option was a bloody war on the Maginot line - is that what you would have preferred? It would have been inevitable, after all, since the French declared war.

Who gave nationalists a bad name wasn't the 'Nazis', for nationalists had a bad name long before the 'Nazis' came around, courtesy of Jewish media manipulation. You're a grown man; you need to learn to direct your anger at the right sources.
Idiot. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

[Vulpix]

No ad-hominems please :).

[finironcross]

Idiot. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

The problems aren't going to go away by whining about the liberals and those cursed Nazzis. You have to wise up to the Jews and the unspeakable crimes that they have inflicted on all of us.

[RoyBatty]

There's plenty of blame to go around. It's not only Jews, there are plenty of white traitors in our midsts who conspire to destroy us by:

- encouraging strife amongst European peoples
- enslaving us through the EU
- plays dangerous military and geopolitical games with the Eurasians
- promotes globalization in order to turn us into dependents who need global trade in order to survive
- promotes "diversity" in order to change the population makeup and destroy the nation states. This way the remaining masses will be without direction or roots and easier to control and manipulate.

Imo the white traitors need to be dealt with first. As far as I can tell this isn't happening and there are no signs of it happening because the voters are too stupid and divided to confront the common enemy which causes them problems which they will moan about but won't do anything about.

[finironcross]

When you have cancer, you don't focus on treating the diarrhea that it causes. You attack the disease, not the symptom. I do agree that there are so many White traitors amongst us. I am convinced that the reason for betrayal is two-pronged: 1) bad genetics 2) money influence and acceptance of the Jewish ideologies like capitalism or marxism. I do hope we get out of this mess that we are in now. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Catch you all later.

[RoyBatty]

The main problems are:

- Apathy
- Greed and materialism
- Spiritual void / lack of principles
- Ignorance
- Organised enemies who understand how to exploit the abovementioned weaknesses.

[Phlegethon]

Because Nazi's are the scum that gave us nationalists a very bad name

Who ever said that National Socialists were nationalists? In fact they were not only not national but not socialist either, at least not after '32.


plus my country (neutral) was attacked and occupied. That's why.

Well, the Netherlands simply were in the way. You got trapped between England and Germany. And if you're honest for a moment you'll have to admit that the Netherlands only were neutral on paper, not in her politics.

[Loki]

When you have cancer, you don't focus on treating the diarrhea that it causes. You attack the disease, not the symptom. I do agree that there are so many White traitors amongst us. I am convinced that the reason for betrayal is two-pronged: 1) bad genetics 2) money influence and acceptance of the Jewish ideologies like capitalism or marxism. I do hope we get out of this mess that we are in now. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Catch you all later.

One thing about Nazis is totally offputting. They're so obsessed with Jews that they can't stop talking about them. Boooring and pathetic at the same time.

[The Lawspeaker]

And it was a good time for your country. All the scumbag politicians who screwed you were tossed out. The other option was a bloody war on the Maginot line - is that what you would have preferred? It would have been inevitable, after all, since the French declared war.

Who gave nationalists a bad name wasn't the 'Nazis', for nationalists had a bad name long before the 'Nazis' came around, courtesy of Jewish media manipulation. You're a grown man; you need to learn to direct your anger at the right sources.
Let me try to make that point clear in some other way then. No one should tell us what to do with our damn Jews as those damn Jews are our damn business and not some of dictator in Berlin.

I understand that there was a Jewish problem, hell.. there still is one, but no one was/is in the position to tell us what to do about it.



Who ever said that National Socialists were nationalists? In fact they were not only not national but not socialist either, at least not after '32.
Point. At least they portrayed themselves as such and a honest nationalist still gets swiped for it. It gave the Left some excellent ammunition.




Well, the Netherlands simply were in the way. You got trapped between England and Germany. And if you're honest for a moment you'll have to admit that the Netherlands only were neutral on paper, not in her politics.
Yes. If you mean the Venlo Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venlo_Incident) ? Yes- but then you should also be honest to acknowledge that Hitler's guarantees were just as flimsy and a relative unknown case here is that a German plane landed in Belgium (http://www.powerglidertaifun.de/Taifun_1940/TaifunJan1940.htm) containing the operational plans against the neutral countries in what is now the Benelux. The attack was planned a long time ago- way before the Venlo Incident.

[Loddfafner]

It is the logical fallacy of reductionism to explain complex problems away in terms of simple causes. In any case it is only naive to take judeocentric views of history, whether it be placing massacres of Jews as the culmination of European history or believing those grandiose conspiracy theories.

[Groenewolf]

Yes. If you mean the Venlo Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venlo_Incident) ? Yes- but then you should also be honest to acknowledge that Hitler's guarantees were just as flimsy and a relative unknown case here is that a German plane landed in Belgium (http://www.powerglidertaifun.de/Taifun_1940/TaifunJan1940.htm) containing the operational plans against the neutral countries in what is now the Benelux. The attack was planned a long time ago- way before the Venlo Incident.

Problem for the German military of course was the fact that the only other alternative was an assault on the Magnigot-line. So a move around it trough the Low Lands was the best alternative from a pure military perspective. Same things as they had done in WOI actualy. Funny thing the French politicians forgot about that.

For my point of few. I focus more about the moronic way our politicians where preparing for war. By completly disregarding the advise of the military supreme command, general Reynders (http://www.fenris-postorder.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_22&products_id=1555), who has been proven right on practicaly all points.


I could live with the threat of fascism as I exclusively wear black clothes anyway. I could be duce! ;)

I could also be a Duce. But then a real Duce, not a Facist one.

[finironcross]

One thing about Nazis is totally offputting. They're so obsessed with Jews that they can't stop talking about them. Boooring and pathetic at the same time.

When one is not familiar with the J-problem, it's understandable that it can be 'offputting.' However, this horrible anti-semitic thingamajig is going to hound us until we fix it.


Let me try to make that point clear in some other way then. No one should tell us what to do with our damn Jews as those damn Jews are our damn business and not some of dictator in Berlin.

I understand that there was a Jewish problem, hell.. there still is one, but no one was/is in the position to tell us what to do about it.

It doesn't work this way. 'Your' Jewish problem affected the rest of the nations. You didn't fix it. Somebody else had to. When the existence of our whole race is on the line, you can't stand on the sidelines. It's immoral.


It is the logical fallacy of reductionism to explain complex problems away in terms of simple causes. In any case it is only naive to take judeocentric views of history, whether it be placing massacres of Jews as the culmination of European history or believing those grandiose conspiracy theories.

But it is not reductionism at all. It is an extremely logical deduction from the continuum of events over the past two thousand or so years. We have quotes from these people themselves, we know who owns the medias, we know who owns the banks. The problem lies in the fact that most people are unwilling to believe that somebody could be so thoroughly evil, so incapable of any compassion. That is the problem. But guess what, these people exist. They're real, they're out there, and they're predating on our history. They twist everything to become their achievement. They reduce our achievements to nothing. They literally spit on our ancestors. They leech, steal and lie. Are they all in on it? Of course not. Do they gather every Friday in the local Synagogue to plot the murder of Goyim? Of course not. But they are their own genetic group, and genetic groups have vested interest in their own survival, and hampering their enemies.

We are on the brink of annihilation, folks. By 2200, we will be by all practical purposes extinct. Think about that for a few minutes and let it sink in. Now ask yourselves, who benefits. Is it your local White, liberal loud mouth?

[Loki]

When one is not familiar with the J-problem, it's understandable that it can be 'offputting.'

I'm familiar with another problem. It's called the "NR-problem". "NR" stands for Nutzie Retardo, by the way.

[finironcross]

As long as you keep denying, no progress will be made. Wars aren't won by fighting on the enemy's terms.

[Loki]

As long as you keep denying, no progress will be made. Wars aren't won by fighting on the enemy's terms.

I'm not sure what kind of "progress" you desire, but count me out of that please. :coffee:

[The Lawspeaker]

I'm not sure what kind of "progress" you desire, but count me out of that please. :coffee:
And me too.

[Loki]

We are on the brink of annihilation, folks. By 2200, we will be by all practical purposes extinct. Think about that for a few minutes and let it sink in. Now ask yourselves, who benefits. Is it your local White, liberal loud mouth?

If you concentrate all your energies to focus on the Jews, who you consider to be the primary antagonists on earth, then I fear your plan will not work out. Why not? Because by far most of the enemies of European preservation are Europeans themselves, with no Jewish link at all. Even if you gassed all the Jews in the world tomorrow, the problems will not disappear. In fact I don't think much would change at all -- the only thing that would change is that Nutzies would be confused that the world has not instantly turned into paradise, and that they must get off their arses and do some real work.

Who will be the next scapegoat after the Jews, hmm? Perhaps a major, global Scientology conspiracy. Or those pesky Gypsies. I am sure someone will get the blame, other than ourselves. Solutions start with yourself, your inner circle, spreading out into communities.

[Psychonaut]

2) money influence and acceptance of the Jewish ideologies like capitalism or marxism.

Let me get this straight, you're opposed to communism and capitalism? This was one of the greatest weaknesses of fascist Germany. There was a virulent opposition to capitalism and communism on grounds that were hardly intelligible outside of the context of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. Their "economic model" if it can be called that at all was nothing more than communism-lite with a practically the whole of the nation's resources being devoted to military expenditures (just like almost every other totalitarian state out there). If you're prepared to deny both capitalism and communism in the same way, what would you put up in place of either?

[Phlegethon]

Actually it was almost the same thing as what nowadays is called neo-liberal. Nothing communist about it, as property remained private, especially the property of the tycoons.

[finironcross]

Let me get this straight, you're opposed to communism and capitalism? This was one of the greatest weaknesses of fascist Germany. There was a virulent opposition to capitalism and communism on grounds that were hardly intelligible outside of the context of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. Their "economic model" if it can be called that at all was nothing more than communism-lite with a practically the whole of the nation's resources being devoted to military expenditures (just like almost every other totalitarian state out there). If you're prepared to deny both capitalism and communism in the same way, what would you put up in place of either?

The reichsmark was based on labor done. Capitalism encourages insane and disease-like selfishness. Communism does not acknowledge race and is too controlling. Why do you spread the myth that most of German expenditure went into the military? It is a total lie, do some research. The NSDAP gave jobs and housing to seven million people in less than six years. The Third Reich was the best moment Europe ever had.

Loki, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. The proof is in the pudding. The only question that needs to be asked: which people are the only ones who have been able to resist the Jews on any larger scale, and who would benefit from the destruction of these people. Now you can have your little tea parties over 'European preservation' all you want, but know this: it is totally futile. The course of history has never once been changed in the ballot box. The only method has been force, and revolutionary thought. The people who control the media, control the thoughts of the masses. It is weak nationalism that forced us to this situation the last time - English nationalism, French nationalism, Polish nationalism. The type of nationalism which aimed to 'preserve' the status quo. We will never defeat the evildoers and the enemies of our people by seeking to 'preserve,' for that role is saved for the only futuristic ideology that has the answer to every question out there.

[Psychonaut]

The reichsmark was based on labor done. Capitalism encourages insane and disease-like selfishness. Communism does not acknowledge race and is too controlling. Why do you spread the myth that most of German expenditure went into the military? It is a total lie, do some research. The NSDAP gave jobs and housing to seven million people in less than six years.

Oooohhhh, so communism-lite + racialism is the perfect economic model. How foolish of me to have missed that! :rolleyes2:

Seriously, the Nazi's economic model was retarded and hardly well thought out at all. Hitler himself said:


The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all.
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#cite_note-18)

The Nazi economy was marked by a revocation of the gold standard, massive deficit spending, and massive public works programs; things that I view as some of the biggest mistakes in any nation's economics.

[finironcross]

Well, there's clearly no arguing with you. Any facts I present you will just toss aside. I've learned that lesson in my 11 years online - never try to convince somebody of anything. On a closing note, the Nazi economy worked, it fed the people, gave them houses, and Germans were happy. Then your nation wrecked everything. Thanks for that.

[Loddfafner]

[T]he only futuristic ideology that has the answer to every question out there.

That is the sort of claim normally made for, say, snake oil.

[finironcross]

If you are unable to engage in a civil conversation, why not keep your proverbial mouth shut? Remember the saying: better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[The Lawspeaker]

Indeed. You should have kept your mouth shut ;)

[Loki]

Then your nation wrecked everything. Thanks for that.

Well, even without America's intervention, the Soviets would have advanced deep into Germany and overthrown it. In fact, the Western offensive effectively checked the Soviet advance. If it wasn't for that, the whole of Germany would have been under Communism, not only one third.


Remember the saying: better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Indeed! :thumbs up

[SwordoftheVistula]

I started a new thread on the WWII/US issue:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58569#post58569

[lei.talk]

Solutions start with yourself,
your inner circle, spreading out into communities.individual integrity and accomplishment
are the foundation to any advancement (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=55216#post55216).