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Treffie
06-11-2009, 11:12 AM
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Ben Kinsella was the 17th teenager to die in a violent killing in the UK capital last year.

The 16-year-old brother of Eastenders actress Brooke Kinsella was stabbed 11 times by Juress Kika, 19, Michael Alleyne, 18, and Jade Braithwaite, 20.

As with so many similar cases, the words "retribution" and "respect" were recurring themes.

The trio targeted the innocent teenager in revenge for an earlier argument in a bar in Islington, north London, the Old Bailey trial heard.

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Although Ben had not been involved in the row, they chased him and his friends as they walked home, knocking him to the ground and stabbing him after he got separated from the group.

One stab wound, to the heart, split a bone on one of his ribs.

Yet the youngsters did all they could to "weasel out" of what they had done, said detectives.

'Walked away'

In an impact statement from Ben's family, which was read to the court, his mother Deborah described him as a "happy-go-lucky boy with a heart of gold".

"The people who murdered him knew nothing about our Ben, not a hair on his head, a bone in his body, not anything about our wonderful son," she said.

"They had never met him before or spoken to him, they just cruelly took his life away with knives for no apparent reason."


Ben had been brought up to walk away from trouble, which sadly cost him his life, Mrs Kinsella said.

"He walked away to get safely home and they took advantage of that - he was one boy on his own. It seems unfair their intent was to stab someone that night," she said.

Two months after he died, Ben's family were given his GCSE exam results. He had achieved two A* and three As among his nine subjects - he had planned to go to college.

Ben's death followed a number of high-profile killings that summer, including Rob Knox and Jimmy Mitzen, and led to renewed calls to stop knife crime.

Days after his death hundreds of protesters, including his friends and family, marched through Islington to the scene of his killing, demanding an end to violence.

They wore T-shirts with Ben's picture and slogans "RIP Ben", "Stop Knife Violence", and "You're Always in Our Hearts" printed on them.


Ben's sisters led a march in his memory, ending where he died.
Speaking at a press conference a few days later his sister urged young people: "Please boys and girls, put down your knives and weapons and think about the pain and suffering they will cause.

"Parents, please talk to your children and encourage them to stop all this violence," she added.

Police said they knew who had committed the murders within hours of Ben's death, but it took a little longer for witnesses to be persuaded to come forward.

One witness, known just as Kellie to protect her identity, said Alleyne and Kika had described to her how they had killed Ben. She said she had not come forward at first because she was scared of Alleyne.

Detectives made covert recordings of conversations in a prison van between the three defendants, which seemed to indicate they were all accepting some responsibility for the death, the court heard.

In the recordings the trio discussed their alibis, potential witnesses, CCTV evidence and getting rid of their mobile phones.

Prosecutor Nicholas Hilliard QC said: "There is no falling out or blaming each other, nothing like that. They are getting their story straight."

Previous convictions

Blood belonging to Ben was found on jeans owned by Alleyne and a belt belonging to Kika. While the defendants admitted they were at the scene, in court they blamed each other for the actual stabbing.

Det Ch Insp John McDonald described the killers as "ignorant and socially inept".

"They have just tried to weasel their way out of it all the way through," he said.

At the time of the murder, Kika was wanted by police for a robbery during which he had stabbed the victim in the torso. He had previous convictions for robbery and affray.

Braithwaite was less known to police, although he did have a conviction for attempted robbery, while Alleyne had been convicted of possessing heroin, cocaine and cannabis with intent to supply.

Ben's killing was due to the culture of young people ensuring they were "respected," Det Ch Insp McDonald said.

During the prior argument in the club, Braithwaite had been posturing and was heard to say, "tell your boy if he wants trouble, I've got my tool on me and it will open you up".

Det Ch Insp McDonald added: "They've got to seek some sort of retribution, that's what this is about. Braithwaite thought he had been embarrassed by a younger kid and wanted to get retribution.

"Now they resort to knifing someone, it's an extreme response to what is a relatively minor issue. Instead of punching, or using verbal means, they decided to stab someone many times."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8092404.stm

HawkR
06-11-2009, 11:34 AM
And how come I ain't suprised, not even a bit. Now, this is classic. Immigrants wanting to be recogniced and get some attention, allways talking the talk, and now, unfortunately, walking the walk. I did get suprised though, that this was some negron work, as I would have expected it from a Middle-Eastern, but one can never be sure. And the bullshit about retribution and respect? My ass, that might have been their origial reason for the killing, but then you better stand up for what you've did, not blaming it on someone else. Stupid assholes.

Most likely they'll get a light sentece (compared to what they should get).

Beorn
06-11-2009, 12:44 PM
Did these lads get a sentence yet?

With knife crime on the rise and with an ineffective government talking a lot of guff about how they will deal with knife crime and the knife/gun culture, the current figures show that even when the criminals are caught and appear in court, they will most likely face freedom with restrictions, or face minimum sentences which simply cannot be tolerated.

According to the Conservative site (and I'm willing to take this with a pinch of salt considering) the number of criminals involved in a knife related crime and imprisoned went down from 22%-20%, and the number receiving a community, or suspended sentence, rose by 42% to 45%.

The figures also showed that over 8000 got off with a caution over the last year alone.

Loki
06-11-2009, 12:47 PM
I was just about to post this. :)

Three guilty of Kinsella murder (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8091215.stm)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45903000/jpg/_45903112_montage_kinsella226.jpg

Treffie
06-11-2009, 12:59 PM
Did these lads get a sentence yet?


They're going to be sentenced on Friday.

Vulpix
06-11-2009, 01:05 PM
I was just about to post this. :)

Three guilty of Kinsella murder (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8091215.stm)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45903000/jpg/_45903112_montage_kinsella226.jpg

Wow, they got well out of their way to flatter them in that drawing then.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/29/article-1174429-04B6998D000005DC-71_468x286.jpg

Phlegethon
06-11-2009, 01:13 PM
Most of these folks who use knives do not really know how to use them. If you cannot get away out of their ghettos better learn the basics of knife fighting. Or learn how to fight back with improvised weapons - pipes, sticks, stones, stools, billard queues etc.

Jamt
06-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Most of these folks who use knives do not really know how to use them. If you cannot get away out of their ghettos better learn the basics of knife fighting. Or learn how to fight back with improvised weapons - pipes, sticks, stones, stools, billard queues etc.

An old Finnish trick for good knife fighting, when you do not want to kill or seriously injure, is to keep a finger along most of the blade and thereby limit the penetration of the thrust.

Skandi
06-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Imagine if three white boys had killed one black kid...

Treffie
06-11-2009, 01:57 PM
Imagine if three white boys had killed one black kid...

I'm angry enough as it is, please don't give me ideas.

Atlas
06-11-2009, 03:57 PM
Typical negroes attitude. Many French have been killed over the past years aswell for looking at those lords. Not even talking to them. They can't stand anything. I wonder why do they come here.


I'm angry enough as it is, please don't give me ideas.

Kid no. Scums like these why not.

Beorn
06-12-2009, 06:13 PM
Life for the murderers of Ben Kinsella. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/12/ben-kinsella-murder-life-sentence)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/12/article-1192286-05519F1C000005DC-709_468x429.jpg



And it seems the lads have got the attention of a notorious North London crime family. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192286/Last-moments-EastEnders-stars-brother-Ben-Kinsella-revealed-convicted-stabbing-death-disrespect.html) :thumb001: