Do you think the economic embargo on Northern Cyprus is justified?

[poiuytrewq0987]

TRNC is currently embargoed by the EU and the Republic of Cyprus. Do you think you think the embargo should be lifted? I think it should be. An independent Northern Cyprus is a reality. The world should just accept the reality on ground and recognize the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6216498.stm

[chipriota]

"The world should just accept the reality on ground and recognize the country."

Which country?

[StonyArabia]

No divide the island and let each nation be. I think this is the only solution.

[chipriota]

And remove this thread from Turkish section. This has nothing to do with Turkey...

[poiuytrewq0987]

"The world should just accept the reality on ground and recognize the country."

Which country?

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. You will have to eventually accept a compromise a la North/South Korea situation with the division primarily caused by ethnic rather than political differences.

[poiuytrewq0987]

And remove this thread from Turkish section. This has nothing to do with Turkey...

TRNC has everything to do with Turkey. Its indepdence is guaranteed by Turkey, the Northern part is populated by Turks, if it wasn't for Turkey and Turks there would be no TRNC.

[chipriota]

No, I think I would be safer in the Turkish side of Cyprus from the racist attacks. If go to the Southside I probably going to be lynched despite themselves not looking to white.

1) Cyprus hasn't got Turkish side. Cyprus has only free side and occupied side.
2) Racist attacs? Oh yeah, the thousands of Turkish Cypriots who come and work in the free side every day, many of them even owe businesses here, suffer a lot you see... :rolleyes2:

[chipriota]

TRNC has everything to do with Turkey. Its indepdence is guaranteed by Turkey, the Northern part is populated by Turks, if it wasn't for Turkey and Turks there would be no TRNC.

There is no TRNC you idiot... It's a de facto state full of illegal Turkish and Kurdish settlers, and few Turkish Cypriots who are even there "a minority".

[Onur]

Turkish republic of northern Cyprus is a 30 year old fact but doesn't get recognized by anyone except Turkey due to undermining Turkish sovereignty in the island.

The people of Cyprus are old and peaceful people who deals with agriculture but they are suffering under harsh embargoes for the political reasons only. They don't have weapons of mass destruction or they didn't commit any crime but this is the case.

Northern Cyprus is modern and beautiful tough, with ultra luxury hotels because of funding from Turkey. We can continue to fund them forever, it`s not much problem for us but 30 year old uninterrupted embargo upon these people is not fair.


They recently organized another protestation in Brussels because Greek Cypriot side will take over annual presidency of EU next month like they are supposedly the sole authority of the island but it`s false. They have zero authority in the north for more than 30 years.


450 Turkish Cypriots took to the streets in Brussels, all dressed in white like ghosts
450 Turkish Cypriots took to the streets in Brussels, all dressed in white like ghosts, to demonstrate against the discrimination they face as “invisible citizens” of the EU. The protest was timed to coincide with South Cyprus’ Presidency of the European Council, which commences on 1st July. The European Union admitted a divided island in 2004, with EU membership suspended for North Cyprus, denying 200,000 Turkish Cypriots EU rights and citizenship privileges that Greek Cypriots in the South enjoy.

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Representatives from a wide range of NGOs, unions and universities in North Cyprus assembled outside the European Parliament at midday before marching across the EU quarter to protest at their treatment by the EU. The Turkish Cypriots are angry that eight years after the island’s admission into the EU, they are still unable to have a voice at the European Parliament or to benefit from the EU’s basic freedoms and commercial, educational, social and cultural opportunities.

The Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 as a federal partnership state by Greek and Turkish Cypriots. The power-sharing state collapsed in December 1963. International efforts to end the decades-old conflict so that a united Cyprus entered the European Union failed in 2004. In a referendum on 24 April, 65% of Turkish Cypriots said “yes” to the United Nations backed Annan Plan, while 76% of Greek Cypriots voted against the plan they had helped draw up. Since entering the EU on 1st May 2004, South Cyprus has used its veto powers to block promises made by the European Council and others “to put an end to the isolation of Turkish Cypriots”.

http://www.avrupagazete.com/haberler/5458-invisible-citizens-of-the-eu.html

[StonyArabia]

1) Cyprus hasn't got Turkish side. Cyprus has only free side and occupied side.
2) Racist attacs? Oh yeah, the thousands of Turkish Cypriots who come and work in the free side every day, many of them even owe businesses here, suffer a lot you see... :rolleyes2:

Well the North Side, I think to be honest I would feel more safe there. As for the other point my father will not be attacked as he can pass as SouthEast Euro being from the North Caucasus, but me and my mom will probably be easy prey for the racist because we are dark and look obviously non-native since we don't look Levantine, my sister would be safe to. I am only saying there has been brutal attacks on non-European looking people. However I don't know if this is a segment of sensationalist media spin.

[Onur]

Ohh btw, few days ago Greek Cyprus officially became the 5th country who asked for bailout from EU central bank. They urgently need 1,8 billions of Euros. German taxpayers gotta work more harder anymore;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164572/Cyprus-bailout--Country-fifth-eurozone-apply-Brussels-bailout-banking-sector-hit-exposure-Greece.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


The crippled Greek Cyprus`s president will hold the presidency of crippled EU.

[chipriota]

CircassianWine, what the heck are you talking about? Cyprus is not South Africa you know... It's a peaceful place, I see hundreds of Africans and Southern Asians walking in the street every day, I don't see them being attacked by anyone. About what the heck are you talking about again? :?

And Turkish Cypriots are indeed victims, but not of Greek Cypriots or European Union. The reason why "they have no rights" is because Turkish army occupies the land they live in, Cyprus Republic and European Union has no authority there because of that, although Cyprus Republic has the de juro authority. Let them kick out the Turkish army first, and then they will have all the rights. Although they already have the right to have European citizenship and come in the free side of the island to live and work, and live as natives without any problem...

[Linet]

Eisai sto tourkiko section...afou apantas, ousiastika nomimopoieis auto pou kanoun kai tin sindesi tourkias-Kiprou. Ki ego thelo na po polla...alla den tha tous nomimopoihso....astous na lene...

[poiuytrewq0987]

Eisai sto tourkiko section...afou apantas, ousiastika nomimopoieis auto pou kanoun kai tin sindesi tourkias-Kiprou. Ki ego thelo na po polla...alla den tha tous nomimopoihso....astous na lene...

Write in English... or don't even post.

[chipriota]

Oh, the Macedonian don't understand Greek! And I say it again, he says he's Macedonian! :lol:

[Linet]

Well he isnt Macedonian, if he was he would know the language of his "Macedonian ancestors"....which means....Greek :wink

[Linet]

Min apantas, dineis ektasi...ki osos dineis ektasi ki apantane...tha to blepoun k perissoteroi,,,,nomimopoioume ti sxesi Tourkias-kiprou me kathe apantisi pou dinoume, akoma ki asxeti...

[Queen B]

Please only speak English.

Btw, yes, the economic embargo is the least that can be done to the illegal part.

[Xenomorph]

The Turks would have conquered all of Cyprus had not they been stopped. It's a puppet state for Turkish interests and nothing more.

[Queen B]

The Turks would have conquered all of Cyprus had not they been stopped. It's a puppet state for Turkish interests and nothing more.

Its not a state, its a pseudo-state. Its no suprise why NOT A SINGLE country have recognised this thing.

[Xenomorph]

Its not a state, its a pseudo-state. Its no suprise why NOT A SINGLE country have recognised this thing.

Have the Turks formally renounced any claims on the rest of the island? If not, then the embargo should not be lifted.

[Queen B]

Have the Turks formally renounced any claims on the rest of the island? If not, then the embargo should not be lifted.

Of course it should not be lifted. In fact, they should make more bans and more isolation to the illegal part.

[Onur]

Of course it should not be lifted. In fact, they should make more bans and more isolation to the illegal part.
Everything is banned already for 30+ years. so there is not much you can do more than the present state. They are under much more harsher embargoes than current Syria and Iran despite the fact that these old people didn't do anything bad to anyone.

But obviously it`s not doing any good for you. Cyprus is a little island and Turkey can fund it indefinitely. It`s nothing for our state, costing around one billion Euros annually, no more than our toilet paper consumption value.

Also it probably has better economics than the Greek Cyprus anymore and has much more luxury tourism estates and hotels than the Greek southern side.

[chipriota]

Luxury tourist estates, yeah sure. In land that belongs to Greek Cypriots and was occupied and Greek Cypriots were kicked out and were not allowed to go there for so many years... This is against human rights, just remember the case Loizidou v Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loizidou_v._Turkey). Remember also Apostolides v Orams case. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolides_v_Orams)

Btw, the embargo is only in papers. I know many people who do business dealings with the occupied part of Cyprus.

I've heard from people who work in the government that both sides along with UN are trying to balance the level of the two sides of the island in order to re-unite the island, it's impossible as it is now, with the free side to be a developed country and the occupied side to be in very low level of living. Despite what you read and see on the internet, where they show only the "luxury tourist estates" and some parts of Kerynia and Famagusta that are developed to approach tourists etc, I've been there and I know. Most part of it is like an undeveloped 3rd country, the difference from the free side of the island is so noticeable that you think you go to a different country...

[chipriota]

The alleged "isolation" of Turkish Cypriots - Myths and reality.
A documentary in 3 parts (in English).

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[Onur]

Chipriota, why don't you deal with your own bankrupt state before thinking about the north side?

Greek Cyprus may need huge bailout
Cyprus needs to plug a 1.8 billion euro - or 10 percent of its GDP - regulatory capital shortfall in its second largest lender by June 30. Potential aid could be more comprehensive to cover fiscal requirements, Finance Minister Vassos Shiarly told Reuters.

Newspapers reported that aid could be anything between 6 and 10 billion euros.

Cypriot newspaper Phileleftheros reported that required funds were expected to exceed six billion euros, while the Politis daily said some suggestions put the bailout amount at up to 10 billion euros.

Either way, it would be a massive bill for Cyprus, whose 17.3 billion euro economy is the third smallest in the euro zone after Malta and Estonia.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/greek-cyprus-may-need-huge-bailout.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24082&NewsCatID=344


Greek Cyprus would be a dog guarding sausages, says Merkel aide
Greek Cyprus should not take over the rotating presidency of the European Union next month because it has sought emergency funding, the head of a business group linked to German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives said.

Greek Cyprus, which is due to take over the six-month presidency from Denmark on July 1, has a banking sector heavily exposed to debt-crippled Greece and said on Monday it was formally applying for help from the EU's rescue funds.

"This is the paradox of the European Union, that the dog should be put in charge of the supply of sausages!" said Kurt Lauk, president of the economic advisory board linked to Merkel's centre-right Christian Democrats.

Lauk called for all countries which have received bailouts - which also include Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Greece - to be barred from holding the EU presidency, which helps to set the agenda of the 27-nation bloc.

"It is unacceptable that a country which has had to seek a bailout can take over the presidency of the EU Council," he said, adding that he doubted whether Greek Cyprus, the euro zone's third smallest economy, had the authority to give direction on stabilizing Europe.

"How can Greek Cyprus engage in crisis management when it is in the middle of a crisis itself?" Lauk asked.

"We will never be able to heal Europe if the president is lying in intensive care with a highly contagious disease."
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/greek-cyprus-would-be-a-dog-guarding-sausages-says-merkel-aide.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24270&NewsCatID=351

[Albion]

It's not justified. Really the mess with North Cyprus could be cleared up by Turkey just incorporating it into Turkey proper. Only idiots would even dream of putting an embargo on Turkey for such an action.

[Dacul]

Cyprus and Greece are very strong allies to Israel.
So is not amazing at all that this embargo was imposed there.

[Onur]

It's not justified. Really the mess with North Cyprus could be cleared up by Turkey just incorporating it into Turkey proper. Only idiots would even dream of putting an embargo on Turkey for such an action.
Albion, Turkey and Northern Cyprus already declared that current negotiations between Greek and Turkish Cypriots is the last one ever. They are already negotiating for about 30 years and thats enough.

Turkey declared that if negotiations fails again, we will present two option to the whole world and UN, that they either recognize 30 year old Turkish republic of Cyprus otherwise the northern Cyprus gets included to the Turkey proper after a referendum in there.

[Albion]

Albion, Turkey and Northern Cyprus already declared that current negotiations between Greek and Turkish Cypriots is the last one ever. They are already negotiating for about 30 years and thats enough.

Turkey declared that if negotiations fails again, we will present two option to the whole world and UN, that they either recognize 30 year old Turkish republic of Cyprus otherwise the northern Cyprus gets included to the Turkey proper after a referendum in there.

This is great news, it's about time the situation was laid to rest and the world stopped messing North Cyprus about.

[Turkophagos]

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[poiuytrewq0987]

A rag written by Philhellenes isn't really a good rag truth be told.

[Turkophagos]

How about this:


http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm

[poiuytrewq0987]

How about this:


http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm


We are a non-profit, non-partisan, all volunteer organization registered in the US with about 44,000 Hellenes and Philhellenes members and 36 Hellenic associations in the US and abroad.

Lol!

[Turkophagos]

Lol!

I was talking about the following:


United Nations Resolutions



The Security Council

Security Council Resolution 186 (1964)

-Condemns the Turkish aggression and state sponsored terrorism against Cyprus that began in December 1963 which the Security council states is in violation of Article 2 Paragraph 4 of the UN Charter and orders Tureky to refrain from further use or threat of any such action.
-Gives a mandate to the Cypriot National Guard to put an end to the bloodshed and restore the rule of law using all necessary means. This is the same mandate given to the NATO lad alliance that fought against Saddam Hussein.
-Sanctions the creation of a UN peace keeping force.

Security Council Resolution 193 (1964)

-In the wake of continued Turkish aggression against Cyprus, including hostage taking by the Turkish government sponsored TMT terrorist group and the parachuting in of Turkish commandos, and its escalation to the bombing and napalming of civilians by the Turkish Air-Force the UN demands the Turkey cease instantly its bombardment and use of military force of any kind against Cyprus.

Security Council Resolution 353 (1974)

-Condemns the illegal Turkish invasion of Cyprus which is contrary to the provisions of the UN Charter.
-Demands the immediate withdrawal from Cyprus soil of all illegal Turkish invasion forces and the supporters of Nikos Sampson who the CIA and Henry Kissinger had ordered to assassinate President Makarios with NATO's blessing.

Security Council Resolutions 357-360 (1974)

-Condemns Turkeys violation of the UN ceasefire in-order to begin a second wave of invasion 3 weeks after democracy had been restored
-Condemns Turkeys deadly attacks against the UN Peacekeeping force.
-Demands that Turkey stop its invasion and withdraw its troops from Cyprus soil

Security Council Resolution 367 (1975)

-Condemns the creation of a "Federated Turkish State" out of the areas of Cyprus which Turkey illegally seized and ethnically cleansed.
-Condemns Turkeys deliberate ethnic cleansing and violation of the UN's previous resolutions and demands that Turkey implement General Assembly Resolution 3212(XXIX) immediately.

Security Council Resolution 541 (1983)

-Condemns the secessionist declaration of the so-called "TRNC", deemes it legally invalid and calls for the declaration to be withdrawn and on all nations not to recognise the illegal secessionist entity.

Security Council Resolution 550 (1984)

-Condemns Turkey's exchange of ambassadors with the illegal secessionist entity and its failure to retract its unilateral declaration.
-Calls once more on on all nations not to recognise the illegal secessionist entity and not to facilitate or in any way assist it.
-Condemns Turkish threats to settle the Famagousta suburb of Varosha and demands that it be handed over to the United Nations.

The General Assembly

General Assembly Resolution 3212(XXIX) (1974)

-Demands the withdrawal of all Turkish occupation forces from Cyprus and an end of all Turkish interference in it's affairs.
-Demands that the Refugees which Turkey ethnically cleansed be allowed to return to their homes.

General Assembly Resolution 37/253 (1983)

-Condemns Turkeys continuing violation of the UN's Resolutions and its illegal occupation ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Cyprus and calls for these resolutions of be implemented immediately.
-Demands the withdrawal of all Turkish occupation forces and the end of Turkish interference in Cyprus affairs.
-Demands that Turkey respect the human rights of all Cypriots including the three basic freedoms and the right of the Refugees to the homes in safety and to take immediate measures to that effect
-Considers that situation resulting from Turkeys use of force can not be allowed to influence or affect to solution of the Cyprus Problem.

Human Rights Sub-Commission Resolution 1987/19 (1987)

-Condemns the gross and systematic violation of human rights in Cyprus by Turkey and the lack of progress to ascertain the fate of the people missing form Turkeys concentration camps.
-Demands that the rights of the refugees to freedom of movement, settlement, and property in the occupied areas be restored.
-Condemns Turkeys illegal colonisation of the occupied areas and equates it with Genocide (as defined by the international convention).



European Union



The European Court of Human Rights

Cyprus v. Turkey (1974-1976)

-The European Commission of Human Rights finds Turkey guilty of violating 14 Articles of the European Convention of Human Rights and its first protocol, including killings, displacement of persons, deprivation of liberty, mass rapes, torture and inhuman treatment, deprivation of possessions, looting and wonton destruction, discrimination and no remedy.

Cyprus v. Turkey (1976-1983)

-The European Commission of Human Rights finds Turkey guilty of repeated violation of 14 Articles of the European Convention of Human Rights and its first protocol including missing persons, displacement of persons and separation of families, deprivation of possessions, discrimination, no remedies, deprivation of liberty, deprivation of life, ill-treatment and forced labour.

Cyprus v. Turkey (application no. 25781/94)

-Finds Turkey guilty of 14 violations of the European Convention of Human Rights in occupied Cyprus, including the continuing violations of the right to life, protection of property, and right to effective remedy, and violations of the right to freedom of thought, conscience and region, and freedom of expression of the Greek Cypriots and the violation of the right to a fair trial of the Turkish Cypriots.

The European Parliament

European Parliament Resolution (19/09/96)

-"deeply shocked by the killings that took place in August during a peaceful demonstration for the reunification of the island, where two Greek Cypriots were killed and several wounded, including two UN peacekeepers, by the security forces of the Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus"

European Parliament Resolution (24/10/96)

-"shocked by the latest cold-blooded murder in Cyprus of yet another Greek Cypriot, Petros Kakoulis, in Cyprus by the Turkish occupation army"

European Parliament Resolution (17/09/97)

-"appalled at all statements by Rauf Denktash, leader of the Turkish Cypriot community, that there will be war in Cyprus if its application to join the EU is successful"




Non of these are Greeks.