Classify some of the best Roman generals

[only1]

1. Scipio Africanus

http://0.tqn.com/d/ancienthistory/1/0/0/Q/2/SCIPIO-Publius-Cornelius-Africanus-Major.jpg

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1788/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1788-18396.jpg


http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/roman/portrait_scipio_africanus_237_hi.jpg

2. Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/12/5412-004-BE61623B.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/agenziagiornalisti/images/AGRIPPA.jpg


3. Marius

http://www.vroma.org/images/raia_images/marius.jpg

http://ocw.nd.edu/classics/history-of-ancient-rome/images-1/people/marius

4. Sulla

http://ocw.nd.edu/classics/history-of-ancient-rome/images-1/people/sulla

http://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sulla_normal.jpeg

5. Sertorius

http://miltiade.pagesperso-orange.fr/sertorius.jpg

6. Mark Anthony

http://www.the-romans.co.uk/gallery3/bigimages/20.mark_antony.jpg?w=300&h=300

http://www.livius.org/a/1/romans/antony.jpg

[Rouxinol]

All of them pred. Dinarid, with Alpinid and Cro-Magnid being present to a lesser or stronger degree.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

personally I think that they range between a very Neomorphic/Progressive Cro Magnoid with Dinaro/Nordo-Mediterranid tendencies ( Sulla, Agrippa) to Progressive Alpinoid with Cro Magnoid tendencies ( Scipio, Mark Anthony)

Pompey instead is a traditional Alpine
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5319505133_0c4c974827.jpg

Caesar close to a ''Baskid/Keltid'' with some Alpine influence
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/CaesarTusculum.jpg/220px-CaesarTusculum.jpg

[aherne]

1. Scipio Africanus

Alpine + Mediterannean. Resembles Napoleon.
< very typical italian look.

2. Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa

Aryan. Nothing else whatsoever.

3. Marius

CroMagnid with ItaloNordid influences. Resembles #5
< very typical italian look.

4. Sulla

CroMagnid

5. Sertorius

ItaloNordid (Central European Aryan-Alpine blend)
< very typical italian look.

6. Mark Anthony

Alpine with CroMagnid influences

7. Pompey

Alpine mixed with Etruscan

8. Caesar

Conflicting evidence. His immense importance made him subject of flattery in portraiture, which explains why his portraits so widely differ as to obscure any evidence of his real appearance.
http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/juliuscaesar.jpg
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Images/caesar.jpg
http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/webpics/Julius_Caesar.jpg
Looks Mediterannean with CroMagnid and Italo-Nordid influences.

[Libertas]

See Dinarid and some CroMagnonid and Alpinid in most of them and some Atlanto-Med in some Julius Caesar busts but no real Nordid in anyone.

[Osprey]

very fine noses.

[Minesweeper]

See Dinarid and some CroMagnonid and Alpinid in most of them and some Atlanto-Med in some Julius Caesar busts but no real Nordid in anyone.

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa is pred. Nordid with CM imo. All of them have strong CM influence or are even predominant.

[only1]

I think they're mostly UP/CM, very rough looking, unlike the childish looking alpinids. Pompey does look alpinid, but maybe it isn't an accurate bust of him.

[Libertas]

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa is pred. Nordid with CM imo. All of them have strong CM influence or are even predominant.

Agrippa was mainly CM not Nordid.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Scipio: Alpino-Cro-Magnon with Dinarid and Med influence
Agrippa: Cro-Magnon with Nordid and Dinarid influence
Marius: Cro-Magnon with Dinarid influence
Sulla: Cro-Magnon with minor Dinarid influence
Sertorius: Cro-Magnon
Mark-Anthony: slightly alpinized Cro-Magnon
Pompey: Alpinoid
Caesar: Dinaro-Med

[Onur]

All of them have strong CM influence or are even predominant.
What you think as CM influence might be the work of the sculptor. It`s because of sculptors preferring to give them strong and manly image as possible rather than presenting them with soft features on their face. This was something normal both in ancient Greek and Roman era. I mean if a sculptor would do a realistic sculpt, then probably he would be killed by the modeling general for presenting him as weak :)


Btw, most of the Roman soldiers and generals was not Greco-Latins but they were recently converted "barbarians". They were either from various Germanic or Hunnic tribes.

[Libertas]

Btw, most of the Roman soldiers and generals was not Greco-Latins but they were recently converted "barbarians". They were either from various Germanic or Hunnic tribes.
This is only true under the decadent Later Empire.

Under the Republic, when much of the Roman Empire was built up, Roman generals and soldiers were still usually Italian, particularly Central Italian.

[curiousman]

This is only true under the decadent Later Empire.

Under the Republic, when much of the Roman Empire was built up, Roman generals and soldiers were still usually Italian, particularly Central Italian.

You are obviously right and we should know well that every time that moronic turkey writes something about ancient Romans it is pure shit.

[Peyrol]

This is only true under the decadent Later Empire.

Under the Republic, when much of the Roman Empire was built up, Roman generals and soldiers were still usually Italian, particularly Central Italian.


...and colonial greeks.

But also very few celts from centro-north Italy (Ligurians, Insubrics, etc).

[morski]

What you think as CM influence might be the work of the sculptor. It`s because of sculptors preferring to give them strong and manly image as possible rather than presenting them with soft features on their face. This was something normal both in ancient Greek and Roman era. I mean if a sculptor would do a realistic sculpt, then probably he would be killed by the modeling general for presenting him as weak :)


Btw, most of the Roman soldiers and generals was not Greco-Latins but they were recently converted "barbarians". They were either from various Germanic or Hunnic tribes.

When you make such bombastic statements it won't be a bad idea to reference the period you are talking of. And you should know this very well, since you are a professional historian.

[only1]

What you think as CM influence might be the work of the sculptor. It`s because of sculptors preferring to give them strong and manly image as possible rather than presenting them with soft features on their face. This was something normal both in ancient Greek and Roman era. I mean if a sculptor would do a realistic sculpt, then probably he would be killed by the modeling general for presenting him as weak :)


Btw, most of the Roman soldiers and generals was not Greco-Latins but they were recently converted "barbarians". They were either from various Germanic or Hunnic tribes.


But then you can ask why all the busts of Cesar, the bust of Pompey and of some Roman emperors don't show any slight CM influence?

btw There were very few roman soldiers of Hunnic origins, most were Gauls/Germans/Illyrians/Thracians and many Syrians also.

[Germaniac]

Greek sculpture is the one concerned with ideals. Roman sculpture tended to be the most realistic possible. A few of the first emperors would be idealised, but that's because they were deified. Other men would be depicted in a realistic way. I just fail to see all the Nords many people here on this forum see. Agrippa for instance, has been said nordid, but he looks some intermediate between CM and alpinid, altered by atlanto med. this shows us how many of the Southern European phenotypes look northern if we disregard pigmentation. And from a marble bust, it's sure pigmentation isn't seen. Most of Ancient Romans look dinaro-alpinids altered by CM though.

[Cleitus]

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa is pred. Nordid with CM imo. All of them have strong CM influence or are even predominant.
How do you want to now that they were Nordid ?

[Germaniac]

How do you want to now that they were Nordid ?

European population hasn't changed much in the few last millenia in terms of phenotype. Ancient Romans would be basically genetically equal to modern day central Italians. They were a mix of Latin, italic, Greek and Celtic peoples. Actually, modern day Italians might have more Germanic/Nordic blood because of the barbarian invasions. Of course there would be a "light element" on some Romans, but blondism isn't exclusive to northern races, and many meds are light haired and light eyed.

P.S. I don't want to offend, but you sounded a bit too nordicist for an Albanian (if I understood what you meant).

[Smeagol]

Scipio Africanus: Alpine/Med

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa: Nordid/CM

Marius: CM

Sulla: CM

Sertorius: Alpine

Mark Antony: Alpine/CM

Pompey: Alpine

Julius Caesar: Atlantid/Dinarid

[Anglojew]

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa looks like a model American WASP.

[Smeagol]

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa looks like a model American WASP.

Yes he does.

[Daco Celtic]

Not sure how I would classify them but I will say Marius was a total bad-ass. He had great success in battles against Germanic tribes, like the Cimbri.

[Dna8]

Marius is the most important man in the OP's list.

Importance being defined by the individuals legacy/influence in the context of Roman military history.

IMO.