Sharing Family Trees

[Angantyr]

Having discovered that Psychonaut and I are related, I wondered how many other people on this site are related.

Perhaps, if we had family trees available online we could find these commonalities. We should be building bridges between ourselves. The time when we will really need to stand together is coming.

I ask anyone with French-Canadian or Quebecois ancestry to stand forward. Aemma, that means you!

[Æmeric]

Since the French Canadian & Acadians of Lousiana descent from a small founder group from the mid 17th century, it makes sense that you, Aemma & Psychonaut would be related within the last 10-15 generations.

I have many ancestors among the Great Migration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(Puritan)) To New England, 1630-1640, along with the founders of New Netherlands in 1620. So I probably share ancestors with most Old Stock Americans from that era.

[Gooding]

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=alexpecot&id=I45
This covers my maternal grandmother's parents, focussing on my great grandmother, Marie Elodie Pecot. I clicked on granny's name and my cousin Alex incorrectly called my grandfather Miller Louis McDonald instead of Newton Boyd McDonald.I had a great-uncle Miller and my great grandfather was called M.L., but that was Melva Lawson.Alex got confused.Bah.

[Loddfafner]

According to a very distant cousin, people with my surname are of haploytpe r1a1. Those who came to America left from Bristol, and that area is still the highest concentration of my surname. I take it that r1a1 in England indicates ancestry from a Viking's Sorbian slave?

More recent possible common ancestry is with those of you from 1600s central Connecticut.

[Jägerstaffel]

Hawkr and I think we might be, but I'm not proud of that.

[Loyalist]

It's been established that Dalton and I are related through a common ancestor, that being a Norwegian who settled in New Netherland in the 17th century.

[Gooding]

Hmmm..seems like my distant relations around here are all French.Surprised?Not really.:P:D:D:D:P

[Angharad]

I didn't see any ancestors of mine among Gooding's tree. I am probably related to Aemeric though.

Also I am likely related to anyone with colonial Dutch ancestry, descendants of the Mayflower Brewsters, and Robert "King" Carter (through his grandfather). Basically anyone related to WASP presidents.

[Psychonaut]

I'll try and gather my resources tomorrow, Angantyr. I'm willing to bet that we've got a common ancestor much closer than Anne (who Æmeric is also descended from if I remember correctly).


I take it that r1a1 in England indicates ancestry from a Viking's Sorbian slave?

A lot of the R1a1 in England is from the Vikings themselves. Most of the Scandinavian nations have roughly even levels of R1a1, I1a and R1b and the specific subclades of R1a1 found in the Norman settlements of both England and France have definitely been connected to the Viking settlers themselves.

[Electronic God-Man]

Drakkar (don't know what his name is now or if he is here) and I are related through the Mayflower pilgrim Francis Cooke. There was another member from Skadi I was distantly related to as well, but I can't remember her name or which ancestor.

I was thinking that if the point is to find connections with other people perhaps it would make more sense to post your early immigrant ancestors rather than make people look through your entire family tree. We could just list the "patriarchs" of these families in America or Canada or wherever. Of course, this would make sense only with the original settlers. Posting the name of your great-great-grandfather who came from Europe will most likely not do any good, unless of course you happen to have a 2nd cousin posting here and didn't know it.

As an example here is a handful of mine with their names, year of birth/death, place of birth, and place of settlement.


Topping, Thomas (1608 Totternhoe, England – 1687 Branford, CT)
Smith, Richard "the Bullrider" (http://longislandgenealogy.com/bull.html) (1613 England – 1692 Smithtown, NY)
Tuthill, Henry (1612 England – 1644 Southold, NY)
Kinge, William (1595 Weymouth, England – 1650 Beverly, MA)
Wells, William (1604 Norwich, England – 1671 Southold, NY)
Brown, Richard (1599 Suffolk, England – 1655 Southold, NY)
Salmon, William (1610 England – 1657 Southold, NY)
Horton, Barnabas (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/hort_index.html) (1600 Mowsley, England – 1680 Southold, NY)

If I were to post a bunch I would likely list them in alphabetical order. I might also provide a link for as many as possible to a website that talks about that person, so that we can learn something interesting and hopefully confirm whether or not we are talking about the same people. I am actually trying to put together an accurate list of my immigrant ancestors anyway, trying to make sure I have the dates and locations correct. I wonder just how many I have and how long a list it would make.

[Electronic God-Man]

Only half of a list of some of my immigrant ancestors. I found out that one of these guys owned a couple of Indian slaves in New England and that Henry Kinne/Kenney was one of the accusers against Martha Cory and Rebecca Nurse, who I believe SwordoftheVistula is related to, at the Salem Witch Trials. Both of them were hanged.


Abbott, George (Bishop’s Stortford, England -1681? Rowley, MA)
Aldrich, George (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/aldr_index.html) (Abt 1605 England – 1682 Mendon, MA)
Almy, William (http://genealogy.emeraldmound.com/239.html) (South Kilworth, England 1601-1677 Portsmouth, RI)
Angell, Thomas (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sam/angell/thomas.html) (Abt 1618 England – Abt 1689 Providence, RI)
Armstrong, Jonathan* (1630-1701 Norwich, MA)
Arnold, William (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Arnold) (1587-1674 Pawtuxet, RI)
Blake, John (Abt 1650 England -1690 Middletown, CT)
Bliss, Thomas (http://www.usgennet.org/family/bliss/rehoboth/tbliss/tblisswill.htm) (Abt 1588 England – Abt 1640 Rehoboth, MA)
Bourne, Richard (http://www.bimmy.com/fp7/fpBourneRichard.htm) (1610 Barnstaple, England-1682 Sandwich, MA)
Bowen, Richard (Abt 1590 Wales – 1674 Rehoboth, MA)
Brainerd, Daniel (Abt 1641England-1715 Haddam, CT)
Brooks, Gilbert (Abt 1621 England – 1695 Rehoboth, MA)
Brown, Richard (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/brown_index.html) (1629 England – 1688 Southold, NY)
Browne, John (1584 England-1662 Rehoboth, MA)
Burgess, Thomas (http://www.geneajourney.com/burgess.html) (Abt 1600-1685 Sandwich, MA)
Call, Thomas (Abt 1597 England – Abt 1676 Malden, MA)
Carpenter, William (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vincent_Carpenter) (Abt 1610-1685 Pawtuxet, RI)
Cass, John (Abt 1615-1620 England – 1675 Hampton, NH)
Chandler, William (Bishops Stortford, England Abt 1595-1641 Roxbury, MA)
Colburn, Nathaniel (http://demo.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I21615&tree=Partridge&PHPSESSID=1d05ac82e103583) (England- 1691 Dedham, MA)
Cooke, Francis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Cooke) (1583-1663 Plymouth, MA)
Corpe, John (1655-1691 Bristol, RI)
Crooke, Roger (Abt 1595 England – 1638 Roxbury, MA)
Davenport, Thomas* (1682 Cold Springs, NY – 1759 Cold Springs, NY)
Day, Anthony (Abt 1616 England – 1707 Gloucester, MA)
Deane, John (England 1600-1660 Taunton, MA)
De la Grange, Omie (http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios/l/omlg5927.html) (abt 1625 Normandy, France – 1731 Norman Kill, NY)
Denison, George (http://www.bargeron.com/genealogy/gsb/f0915.html) (Bishops Stortford, England 1620-1694 Hartford, CT)
DeVries, Johannes (1625 Amsterdam, Netherlands – 1685 Albany, New York)
Dudley, William (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3951/Biography.html) (England 1608-1684 Guilford, CT)
Eilenberger, Johannes Christian (1731 Seifen, Germany – 1804 Upper Mount Bethel, PA)
Evertsen, Jan (Abt 1621 Netherlands – Albany, NY)
Fish, Nathaniel (http://www.treetreetree.org.uk/Fish.htm) (East Farndon, England 1619-1694 Sandwich, MA)
Follett, Robert (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bfollett/RobtFollSalem.htm) (prob. England 1625-1708 Salem, MA)
Foster, Christopher (1603 Surrey, England – 1687 Southampton, NY)
Frutschi, Johann Frietrich (1724 Assweiler, Germany – 1770 Lower Saucon, PA)
Fuller, Robert (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~smason/combined/nti05208.htm) (England 1616-1706 Rehoboth, MA)
Gabel, George** (abt 1760 Germany – 1825 Dryville, PA)
Geres, Johann Phillip (1715 Horschbach – PA)
Gifford, William (1615-1687 Sandwich, MA)
Godhard, Johannes Jacob (1720 Rheinland-Pfalz – 1797 Sugarloaf, PA)
Grant, Christopher (1608-1685 Watertown, MA)
Greene, John (http://www.warwickri.gov/heritage/damatoshistory/apponaug4.htm) (Abt 1597 England -1659 Warwick, RI)
Guild, John (Abt 1616 Scotland/England – 1682 Dedham, MA)
Hall, Richard (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ctsmfsd/HallRichard.html) (Kent, England 1620-1691 Middletown, CT)
Hallenbeck, Casper Jacobse (http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios/h/cahallenbeck5214.html) (Abt 1620 Hollenbek, Germany – 1703 Albany, NY)
Harris, Thomas (Hatherup, England Abt 1580-1661 Wethersfield, CT)
Heiffling, James (abt 1685 Germany/Switz. – abt 1750 VA)
Hodges, William (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hubbard/NNY_index/hodges.html) (England 1624-1654 Taunton, MA)
Holmes, Obadiah (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sam/obadiah.html) (1607-1682 Middleton, RI)
Horton, Barnabas (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/hort_index.html) (1600 Mowsley, England – 1680 Southold, NY)
Howland, John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howland) (c. 1599 England - 1673 Plymouth, MA)
Huntzinger, Johann Georg (http://files.usgwarchives.net/pa/schuylkill/history/family/hunt0001.txt) (1715 Widdern, Germany – 1790 Brunswick, PA)
Ingraham, Richard (Abt 1600 England – 1683 Northampton, MA)
Janssen, Albert (Abt 1620 – 1659 New York, NY)
Johnson, John (http://kinnexions.com/kinnexions/johnson/rr01/rr01_001.htm#P1) (Abt 1590 England -1659 Roxbury, MA)
Junghen, Heinrich (1774 near Kassel, Germany – 1851 Dushore, PA)
Kendrick, George (Abt 1600 England – Abt 1648 Scituate, MA)
Kinge, William (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/king_wm_index.html) (Abt 1595 Weymouth, England – 1650 Beverly, MA)
Kinne, Henry (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gkbopp/HENRY/HenryWitchTrials.htm) (Abt 1623 England – 1696 Newbury, MA)
Klauw, Frans Pieterse (1623 Netherlands – 1700 Kinderhook, NY)
Knight, Richard (http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/kni_index.html) (1603-1683 Essex, RI)
Knott, George (1602-1648 Sandwich, MA)
Lahr, George Henry (abt 1700 Germany – 1739 Hereford, PA)
Lamb, Thomas (1596-1646 Roxbury, MA)
Lamoreaux, Andre (1660 Bordeaux, France – 1706 New Rochelle, NY)
Langston, Joseph (Abt 1620 England – Abt 1661 Gloucester, MA)
Leggett, Gabriel (1635 Cambridge, England – 1698 West Farms, NY)
Leonard, James (1621-1691 Taunton, MA)
Lewis, George (Abt 1609 England – 1676 Casco Bay, Maine)
Lewis, James* (died 1818 Catharine, New York)
Loockermans, Pieter Janse (http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios/l/piloock5940.html) (Abt 1620 Turnhout, Belgium – 1697 Albany, NY)


* denotes someone who was most most likely born in America but has not been traced back further and is the "patriarch" of that family.

[Angantyr]

Drakkar (don't know what his name is now or if he is here) and I are related through the Mayflower pilgrim Francis Cooke. There was another member from Skadi I was distantly related to as well, but I can't remember her name or which ancestor.

I was thinking that if the point is to find connections with other people perhaps it would make more sense to post your early immigrant ancestors rather than make people look through your entire family tree. We could just list the "patriarchs" of these families in America or Canada or wherever. Of course, this would make sense only with the original settlers. Posting the name of your great-great-grandfather who came from Europe will most likely not do any good, unless of course you happen to have a 2nd cousin posting here and didn't know it.

If I were to post a bunch I would likely list them in alphabetical order. I might also provide a link for as many as possible a line to a website that talks about that person, so that we can learn something interesting and hopefully confirm whether or not we are talking about the same people. I am actually trying to put together an accurate list of my immigrant ancestors anyway, trying to make sure I have the dates and locations correct. I wonder just how many I have and how long a list it would make.

It is not necessary to look through a family tree in some laborious one-by-one fashion. Online family trees allow you to search by many parameters. You can search for specific last names or for places and get instantaneous results, with all known associated details about the person. You can easily share an online tree with hundreds of people who may be looking for disparate things. Moreover you can easily look back not just seven or eight generations, but much deeper.

Psychonaut and I share ancestry over 20 generations back. And even though we both now live in North America, our shared ancestry is from France itself as our ancestors travelled over separately to the New World.

Trust me on this one. A family tree is the way to go and not a list, particularly when your colection of known ancestors is in the hundreds.

[Allenson]

It's been established that Dalton and I are related through a common ancestor, that being a Norwegian who settled in New Netherland in the 17th century.

I was going to mention that--ya beat me to it. ;)

Here he is:

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~celiadon/ps02/ps02_485.htm

I forget exactly how I tie into him--but it's surely through my Hudson Valley Dutch/Scots lines.

He's on my father's side of the woodpile.

[Allenson]

Topping, Thomas (1608 Totternhoe, England – 1687 Branford, CT)
Smith, Richard "the Bullrider" (1613 England – 1692 Smithtown, NY)
Tuthill, Henry (1612 England – 1644 Southold, NY)
Kinge, William (1595 Weymouth, England – 1650 Beverly, MA)
Wells, William (1604 Norwich, England – 1671 Southold, NY)Brown, Richard (1599 Suffolk, England – 1655 Southold, NY)
Salmon, William (1610 England – 1657 Southold, NY)
Horton, Barnabas (1600 Mowsley, England – 1680 Southold, NY)

Heh! Another cousin. :)

Bolded folks are in my tree. In fact, my maternal grandfather's middle name is Horton and his mother was a Tuthill. There are quite a few Tuthills here in Vermont that stem from this line as opposed to the Tuttles who settled in Dover/Portsmouth, NH back in the 1600s.

Barnabas orignally landed in what is now Hampton, NH. He later lived in the New Haven Colony before finally deciding to set up shop on the North Fork of Long Island.

I'm not sure if the Hoton house still stands in Southold or not. Here's an old picture of it:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hortonfamilyhistory/horton%20home.jpg

And the lighthouse on Horton Point:

http://www.southoldhistoricalsociety.org/images/lighthouse1%20copy.JPG

I've got a copy of his will somewhere if you're interested....

[SuuT]

It's been established that Dalton and I are related through a common ancestor, that being a Norwegian who settled in New Netherland in the 17th century.

Everyone is descended from a common Norwegian ancestor. I guess you didn't get the memo.

[Electronic God-Man]

It is not necessary to look through a family tree in some laborious one-by-one fashion. Online family trees allow you to search by many parameters. You can search for specific last names or for places and get instantaneous results, with all known associated details about the person. You can easily share an online tree with hundreds of people who may be looking for disparate things. Moreover you can easily look back not just seven or eight generations, but much deeper.

I've seen a lot of online trees and they all worked the same way. People would still have to guess random surnames to search for, hoping to search for one that also appeared in the other person's tree. When they do find a surname that is in the person's tree they will then be presented with a list of all the people in the tree with that name. They will then have to go through the list and find a person that also appears in their tree. Assuming that you already know your own family tree and what you are looking for in the other person's, you will probably just head straight for the "patriarch" and head your way down as you look for the most common recent ancestor. A common name like Smith will have you reading quite a bit more than a name like Schermerhorn, most likely, and it also depends on how far down the line that surname traveled in the specific person's genealogy.

Of course, this is if you are just trying to find connections. If you are actually presenting your entire family tree and all the research and information that went into it then the online tree would be best.

For me, the problem with the online trees is foremost that I would have to sit there and search for names. I might type in a few names and if I got nothing I'd likely just stop. I'd much rather scan down an alphabetical list. Having done my own family tree I can usually recognize a name off-hand, it will ring bells.

[Electronic God-Man]

Heh! Another cousin. :)

Sweet. I figured we would have some shared colonial ancestors. :)


I've got a copy of his will somewhere if you're interested....

Yes, I'm definitely interested. I don't think I have one.

[Barreldriver]

Basically anyone related to WASP presidents.

You related to Grover Cleveland? I am. :D WASP president alright. His kin being from Suffolk, England, and claim descent from some buggar named Thorkil Kleiffeland.