Classify Spanish Football Player Pedro

[Turkophagos]

http://www.blaugranas.com/media/galeria/25/9/3/4/6/o_f_c_barcelona_pedro-406439.jpg

http://mediadb.kicker.de/2009/fussball/spieler/xl/47814_912.jpg

http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/clubfootball/01/19/21/09/1192109_full-lnd.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09mxexM6Wv1Fo/610x.jpg

[Ibericus]

Guanche admixture (Canaries indigenous) + Atlanto-Med

[Lábaru]

He look like you Criterioh, both of you have in common significant admixtures from outside Europe, could be your brother.

[Turkophagos]

He look like you Criterioh, both of you have in common significant admixtures from outside Europe, could be your brother.

http://makeitlulz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/butthurt.jpg

[Lábaru]

:) come on, is that you do not see the resemblance? even your hair is the same, be honest Criterioh, the reason because you've posted Pedro is that you look like him.

[Turkophagos]

Based on your passive aggressiveness about this thread, he must be looking like you.



Guanche admixture (Canaries indigenous) + Atlanto-Med


How common is this look in Spain?

[Lábaru]

How common is this look in Spain?be honest Criterioh, the reason because you've posted Pedro is that you look like him

Is very common is the Canary Islands(that is Spain too)a man with your exotic appearance there can pass unnoticed.


Based on your passive aggressiveness about this thread, he must be looking like you.


hehe come on, I'm just helping you, satisfying your curiosity :)

[Cristiano viejo]

Pedro is not spanish, he is african, Canarias is not Spain.
btw Pedros look is not common in Spain at all.

[Alvarado]

Pedro is not spanish, he is african, Canarias is not Spain.
btw Pedros look is not common in Spain at all.

Canarias is not Spain? That's news to me.

[Cristiano viejo]

Canarias is not Spain? That's news to me.

Se aprende algo nuevo todos los días.

[GeistFaust]

West-Mediterranid with some additional Berberid influence, and some additional exotic influence overlaying his whole anthropological framework, which looks to be North-African/Guanche derived perhaps.

[Sikeliot]

West Med-Berberid. You can see the Berber influence, which should make sense since he is Canarian.

[Ibericus]

How common is this look in Spain?
In Spain is exotic, in Canary Islands or Greece is common.

[Sikeliot]

In Spain is exotic, in Canary Islands or Greece is common.

Not really Greece.

[King Claus]

atlanto med

[Almogavar]

A handsome young specimen from the islands. Classic med with guanche admixture

[kollaps]

Honestly I don't see any non-european admixture. To me he looks pure gracile med. Can you post other examples from the Canary Islands with indigenous admixture?

edit: with a closer look, I see maybe a little CM in him (jaw area). But his pigmentation isn't that dark for a Mediterranean.

[Anthropologique]

NATIVE Canarians are usually considered separately from mainland Spain in genetic research - Gaunche and North African influences. Obviously, it doesn't mean that ALL Canarians have significant extra-European admixture.

[aherne]

Iberian - Berber mix. Not typical at all for mainland Spain.

[rashka]

Where is the berberid seen? I can't see from those pics. He does have very droopy upper eyelids. Is that part of certain phenotypes?

[ChocolateFace]

med-berberid

i think he looks greek

[Midori]

i think he looks greek

Lol no.. Greeks don't have SSA admixture.

[Hess]

Lol no.. Greeks don't have SSA admixture.

they do, according to Onur

[Sikeliot]

Greeks don't look like Berbers, at all.

[Ibericus]

Greeks don't look like Berbers, at all.
Greek cluster much closer to North-African on genetics plots :)

[Ibericus]

Lol no.. Greeks don't have SSA admixture.
Neither spaniards. Greeks and Macedonians have a LOT more of near-eastern and west-asian than iberians. Look at their MENA y-dna haplogroups (J,E,T,G) :

Greece : 58%
Macedonia : 43%
Spain : 22%

Bye :)

[Gospodine]

he is african, Canarias is not Spain.

The Guanches were proto-Berbers, not Sub-Saharan Africans.

[Midori]

Neither spaniards. Greeks and Macedonians have a LOT more of near-eastern and west-asian than iberians. Look at their MENA y-dna haplogroups (J,E,T,G) :

Greece : 58%
Macedonia : 43%
Spain : 22%

Bye :)

I was talking about Sub Saharan. We aren't the ones who owned Slaves and mixed with them.:coffee:

[safinator]

R1b Caballero

[tEhSaint]

Greek cluster much closer to North-African on genetics plots :)

Greek genepool database is rather poor so this argument is floating. Phenotypicaly Spaniards cluster much more with N.A populations than Greeks do .

[Ibericus]

I was talking about Sub Saharan. We aren't the ones who owned Slaves and mixed with them.:coffee:
What sub-saharan ? You mean the noisy and ridiculous 0.02% like here :

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/847/gonzalezperez2010admixt.png

[Midori]

What sub-saharan ? You mean the noisy and ridiculous 0.02% like here :

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/847/gonzalezperez2010admixt.png

I didn't mean to say all Iberians have it, but some do.

[Alvarado]

I was talking about Sub Saharan. We aren't the ones who owned Slaves and mixed with them.:coffee:

Of course, you were the slaves.

[Midori]

Of course, you were the slaves.

:rolleyes: If you mixed with us, you would be ubermensch.

[Ibericus]

Greek genepool database is rather poor so this argument is floating.
Phenotypicaly Spaniards cluster much more with N.A populations than Greeks do .
I don't believe that. Greeks have a lot more near-east than us, and north-africans have also a lot of near-east.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5653/europedivides.png

[Ibericus]

I didn't mean to say all Iberians have it, but some do.
Oh, some. Can I know which are these "some" ?

[Sikeliot]

I don't believe that. Greeks have a lot more near-east than us, and north-africans have also a lot of near-east.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5653/europedivides.png

Greeks and whichever group is represented by "Italian" (southerners probably) are just within the Europe cluster.

[Rouxinol]

:rolleyes: If you mixed with us, you would be ubermensch.

Hitler disapproves.

[Midori]

Oh, some. Can I know which are these "some" ?

This girl for example:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51027

[Alvarado]

:rolleyes: If you mixed with us, you would be ubermensch.

Nah, we would be inferior scum like you.

[Ibericus]

This girl for example:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51027
LOL.

[Gospodine]

Of course, you were the slaves.

Slave masters only accept the best physical specimens anyway.

[Rouxinol]

Slave masters only accept the best physical specimens anyway.

Slave masters fuck with any slave... As long as they are able to empty their testicles.

[Midori]

Nah, we would be inferior scum like you.

We are superior to you, no need to be jealous. :coffee:

[Gospodine]

Ah yes. The Iberian-Balkan War enters its next phase.

Anyway... back to the Greek-Iberian "How Black can you go?" contest.

[dralos]

pidgey i got your back,lets do this:D

[Midori]

Ah yes. The Iberian-Balkan War enters its next phase.

Anyway... back to the Greek-Iberian "How Black can you go?" contest.

They're just so damn sensitive. People talk shit about my nation all the time and I don't get butthurt :coffee:

[Gospodine]

True... people shit on us Balkanians from all four sides.

You mention one Saharid-looking Spaniard... holy shit it's a catastrophe.

Never once have I seen a Serb disown Vlade Divac or an Albanian disown Altin Lala.

Yet the Iberians will fight tooth and nail not to be associated with a dark Iberian.

[Rouxinol]

Yet the Iberians will fight tooth and nail not to be associated with a dark Iberian.

Wait until you see the Germans here. :lol:

[Sikeliot]

Stay on topic everyone.

[Alvarado]

We are superior to you, no need to be jealous. :coffee:

You are better slaves, that's true.

[Ibericus]

True... people shit on us Balkanians from all four sides.

You mention one Saharid-looking Spaniard... holy shit it's a catastrophe.
.
A saharaid looking spaniard, ? What the fuck is that ? That girl is not even spanish. It's obvious to anyone with two eyes and a minimum intelligence.

[Insuperable]

True... people shit on us Balkanians from all four sides.

You mention one Saharid-looking Spaniard... holy shit it's a catastrophe.

Never once have I seen a Serb disown Vlade Divac or an Albanian disown Altin Lala.

Yet the Iberians will fight tooth and nail not to be associated with a dark Iberian.

Well Divac is an Orthodox gypsey. He once said in a interview how he is happy that Roma people finally got seat in a Parlament and that he voted for them.
Not a proof but still.

[Prince Carlo]

What sub-saharan ? You mean the noisy and ridiculous 0.02% like here :

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/847/gonzalezperez2010admixt.png

Yes but this study use only one sample SSA people (Ivory Coast) so I don't think it's quite reliable. Last eurogenes K8 run uses a lot of african samples groups from Pagani paper.

http://bga101.blogspot.it/2012/06/analyzing-northeast-african-samples.html



http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5653/europedivides.png

It's true that Greeks are closer to N.Africans, but not that closer. Do not forget that N.African cluster behaves strangely on west eurasian plot.

[Gospodine]

Well Divac is an Orthodox gypsey. He once said in a interview how he is happy that Roma people finally got seat in a Parlament and that he voted for them.
Not a proof but still.

I've seen videos of his parents; they look entirely Serb to me. It's his height that makes him slightly deformed.

[Alvarado]

True... people shit on us Balkanians from all four sides.

You mention one Saharid-looking Spaniard... holy shit it's a catastrophe.

Never once have I seen a Serb disown Vlade Divac or an Albanian disown Altin Lala.

Yet the Iberians will fight tooth and nail not to be associated with a dark Iberian.

That's bullshit, only some pseudo-Nazis don't want to be associated with "dark Iberians".

By the way, I've never seen a Spaniard using photoshop to whitewash the pictures like some Balkanoids do.

[Gospodine]

By the way, I've never seen a Spaniard using photoshop to whitewash the pictures like some Balkanoids do.

Well I'm not denying it might happen but I've never seen that before.

A lot of the pictures on here are really unreliable anyway. Poor lighting, poor resolution, etc...

[Ibericus]

Yet the Iberians will fight tooth and nail not to be associated with a dark Iberian.
hmmm..There is a difference between a dark iberian (not the case of Pedro, since he is not even Iberian peninsular,) and an Afro-Colonial descend like that girl.

[Gospodine]

hmmm..There is a difference between a dark iberian (not the case of Pedro, since he is not even Iberian peninsular,) and an Afro-Colonial descend like that girl.

So you don't think there's any fully Iberian people that may resemble Saharids/Berbers?

[Ibericus]

So you don't think there's any fully Iberian people that may resemble Saharids/Berbers?
Well, I've never seen any in "Saharid" spaniard in my entire life, they must be hidden in caves. Anyways, that girl doesn't look Saharid, that's your opionion, she looks more like a latin-american descend.

[Kanuni]

nvm

[Alvarado]

Well I'm not denying it might happen but I've never seen that before.

A lot of the pictures on here are really unreliable anyway. Poor lighting, poor resolution, etc...

Sure, I even remember a Balkan user who admitted wearing coloured contact lenses.

[Ibericus]

Well, I've never seen any in "Saharid" spaniard in my entire life, they must be hidden in caves. Anyways, that girl doesn't look Saharid, that's your opionion, she looks more like a latin-american descend.
Afro-Latin descend, to be more precise.

[Kanuni]

Sure, I even remember a Balkan user who admitted wearing coloured contact lenses.

Balkans is a wide term.We have Greeks,Albanians, and South Slavs who differ on culture,mentality.Be specific please.I don't want to get associated with Balkan Slavs because i have nothing to do with them.

[Prince Carlo]

The true N.African look simply does not exist in Europe. You can find few individuals that can resemble N.Africans, but still they look different.

[Alvarado]

Balkans is a wide term.We have Greeks,Albanians, and South Slavs who differ on culture,mentality.Be specific please.I don't want to get associated with Balkan Slavs because i have nothing to do with them.

He was not Albanian but it doesn't matter, this thread had nothing to do with that. It's not the first time that some insecure Balkanoids try to project their insecurities onto others.

[Gospodine]

Yeah and it's not the first time people take shit on here way too seriously, but anyway, stick to what the mod said.

[Ibericus]

Yeah and it's not the first time people take shit on here way too seriously, but anyway, stick to what the mod said.
Anyways, it's always balkans talking shit on spaniards, not the reverse. You don't see spaniard posting gypos and seeing they are balkans, while you see balkans posting Afro-Cubans saying they are pure 'saharid' spanish, like you. Sleepy should ban you, Pigeon and Criteria.

[Anthropologique]

Some comedians on this thread need a large dose a maturity...and a bit of brain as well.

MEMO: The rest of the world is not quite as stupid as you are.

Stop embarrassing yourselves with cretinous postings about Spaniards / Iberians. On second thought, maybe you folks are just too brain dead to feel embarrassment.

[Turkophagos]

Anyways, it's always balkans talking shit on spaniards, not the reverse. You don't see spaniard posting gypos and seeing they are balkans, while you see balkans posting Afro-Cubans saying they are pure 'saharid' spanish, like you. Sleepy should ban you, Pigeon and Criteria.

It was a normal classification thread till you Spaniards started chimping out.

[Lábaru]

Anyways, it's always balkans talking shit on spaniards, not the reverse. You don't see spaniard posting gypos and seeing they are balkans, while you see balkans posting Afro-Cubans saying they are pure 'saharid' spanish, like you. Sleepy should ban you, Pigeon and Criteria.

the darkest are always the most insecure with this things. Criterioh is a good example, that guys is as exotic as Pedro, I can not consider him full European.

[Lábaru]

We are superior to you, no need to be jealous. :coffee:

Spanish=Conquistadores.

Slavic= Slaves.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q0_GNIhRC08/Tq1OF5_doPI/AAAAAAAAJNM/3BGS3xy3Z8k/Albert_Einstein.jpg

[Turkophagos]

Criterioh is a good example, I can not consider him full European.

Although you're definitely a primate, I don't consider you fully homo sapiens.

[Alvarado]

It was a normal classification thread till you Spaniards started chimping out.

No, it was a normal classification thread until some people decided to change the topic.

[Turkophagos]

No, it was a normal classification thread until some people decided to change the topic.

That was Labaru the blue-eyed nig, followed by the rest of the spanish gang.

[Lábaru]

Although you're definitely a primate, I don't consider you fully homo sapiens.

Me encanta cuando hago sangre :thumb001:

[Hess]

Spanish=Conquistadores.

Slavic= Slaves.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q0_GNIhRC08/Tq1OF5_doPI/AAAAAAAAJNM/3BGS3xy3Z8k/Albert_Einstein.jpg

that makes no sense at all, mate.

Only a few Spaniards and Portuguese at one point in history were Conquistadores, and very few Slavs were Slaves.

[Turkophagos]

Me encanta cuando hago sangre :thumb001:



bar, bar, bar, ...

[Lábaru]

bar, bar, bar, ...

:) let's talk seriously, you think that you look more European than Pedro? you and Pedro share all the exotic features, Dark and curly hair, olive skin, a face with a deep south-Mediterranean appearance ect.... honestly, I thought you opened this thread because your physical similarity with Pedro.

[Ibericus]

It was a normal classification thread till you Spaniards started chimping out.
It was normal (well not that much, since Pedro has been classified a million times in this forum, there is something called "Search") until your Macedonian brothers came in to chimp out.

[Cristiano viejo]

Greeks don't look like Berbers, at all.
Greeks look gypsies, with these beards... buff.


The Guanches were proto-Berbers, not Sub-Saharan Africans.

Berbers are africans too.

[Anthropologique]

Are some of the miserable sorts mucking around here suffering from brain damage?

Iberians are mainly Western / South-western / Paleolithic in phenotype. Any person with an even minor exposure to European population genetics is well aware of that. They don't look at all like Pedro who obviously has significant and recent extra-European admixture and, therefore, is not genetically native to Iberia. This place is turning into a kindergarten for the racially / ethnically insecure.

[Osprey]

Berbers are africans too.

Sub Saharan Africans =/= North Africans

[Gospodine]

It was normal (well not that much, since Pedro has been classified a million times in this forum, there is something called "Search") until your Macedonian brothers came in to chimp out.

I'm not Maco nor Greek, so I have no horse in that race and I could care less about degrees of blackness.

But if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=995624&postcount=3
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997311&postcount=25

You started it amigos with your subtle jab at Greek genes and Criterioh.

Quit being so thin-skinned.

[Midori]

I'm not Maco nor Greek, so I have no horse in that race and I could care less about degrees of blackness.

But if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=995624&postcount=3
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997311&postcount=25

You started it amigos with your subtle jab at Greek genes and Criterioh.

Quit being so thin-skinned.

I don't even have anything against Iberians.. they're the ones who always look down on us Balkanoids/Slavs and refer to us as inferior, when they are far from ubermenschen themselves :rolleyes2:

[Ibericus]

I'm not Maco nor Greek, so I have no horse in that race and I could care less about degrees of blackness.

But if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=995624&postcount=3
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997311&postcount=25
Everything said in those posts is true. :confused:


I don't even have anything against Iberians.. they're the ones who always look down on us Balkanoids/Slavs and refer to us as inferior, when they are far from ubermenschen themselves :rolleyes2:
What is you criteriah for superiority ? Let me guess: your worshipped nordics ? Well, we are superior to both them and you slavs.

[Alvarado]

I don't even have anything against Iberians.. they're the ones who always look down on us Balkanoids/Slavs and refer to us as inferior, when they are far from ubermenschen themselves :rolleyes2:

You introduced the topics of slavery and inferiority in this thread, no wonder why.

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't even have anything against Iberians.. they're the ones who always look down on us Balkanoids/Slavs and refer to us as inferior

The ones? :rolleyes: ask to Hitler for slavs :rolleyes:

[Gospodine]

Lol, you guys do realize genetically South Slavs and the rest of Slavs have little in common by the way?

So repeating "Slavs" over and over again like you're in Berlin circa 1939 reveals your deep-seated ignorance and hatred.

I could just refer to you all as Latino Spics but I won't stoop to your level.


Well, we are superior to both them and you slavs.

Mate, you have gone out of the mental hospital and into the comedy arena.

[Alvarado]

Lol, you guys do realize genetically South Slavs and the rest of Slavs have little in common by the way?

So repeating "Slavs" over and over again like you're in Berlin circa 1939 reveals your deep-seated ignorance and hatred.

I could just refer to you all as Latino Spics but I won't stoop to your level.



There is no hatred at all on my part.

And now that you mention Berlin circa 1939, we are not the ones who are obsessed with the "Ubermensch".

[Gospodine]

There is no hatred at all on my part.

I don't know... the way you keep going on about Slavs/Slaves certainly implies a massive superiority complex.

Or should I say Napoleon complex?

[Midori]

What is you criteriah for superiority ? Let me guess: your worshipped nordics ? Well, we are superior to both them and you slavs.

How come your country is economically unstable then? ;) And no, I don't worship Nordics.

[Ibericus]

How come your country is economically unstable then? ;) And no, I don't worship Nordics.
Can't you just stop changin the subject ? Now you want to talk about economy ? Well, we Spain are now subject to the retarded EU, when we should be on our own like in the good old times. Anyways, Macedonia is a toilet hole compared to us. At least we have a human development index higher than the UK or Luxembourg.

[Cristiano viejo]

Can't you just stop changin the subject ? Now you want to talk about economy ?

Hehe a fyromian talking about economy :speechless-smiley-0

[Midori]

Can't you just stop changin the subject ? Now you want to talk about economy ? Well, we Spain are now subject to the retarded EU, when we should be on our own like in the good old times. Anyways, Macedonia is a toilet hole compared to us. At least we have a human development index higher than the UK or Luxembourg.

Well, you said that you're superior to us. You're not, you're (or were?) only rich because you had colonies and stole other countries' natural resources.


Hehe a fyromian talking about economy :speechless-smiley-0

Oh, shut up. You can't even point FYROM on a map. You don't know anything about us.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, you said that you're superior to us. You're not, you're (or were?) only rich because you had colonies and stole other countries' natural resources.
Better that than to be vassals of the Ottoman Empire ;).
And give thanks to Spain, who helped so that the Turks ceased to dominate that area of Europe :thumb001:


Oh, shut up. You can't even point FYROM on a map. You don't know anything about us.

People know little or nothing of FYROM because you are in fact an insignificant country, the best known of you is that you want to usurp the name of a Greek province.
So are crappy :laugh2:

[Midori]

People know little or nothing of FYROM because you are in fact an insignificant country, the best known of you is that you want to usurp the name of a Greek province.
So are crappy :laugh2:

I'm glad it's that way. At least I don't see niggers, sandniggers and other non-whites on the streets of Skopje like you see in your country :coffee:

[Alvarado]

I don't know... the way you keep going on about Slavs/Slaves certainly implies a massive superiority complex.

Or should I say Napoleon complex?

The only person who keeps talking about slaves in unrelated threads is your friend. Once again, you are projecting your own psychological issues onto others.

[Gospodine]

The only person who keeps talking about slaves in unrelated threads is your friend. Once again, you are projecting your own psychological issues onto others.

Oh I see, you have amnesia:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997338&postcount=33
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997358&postcount=40
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997389&postcount=51

You're a very ethnically-challenged, sad, immature Iberian.

[Ibericus]

Oh I see, you have amnesia:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997338&postcount=33
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997358&postcount=40
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997389&postcount=51

You're a very ethnically-challenged, sad, immature Iberian.
Why can't you just take care of your own fuckin business and leave alone the Iberians ? You obsessed piece of shit. And no, that negro mulatta Yohan Cobas or whatever her name is, will never be spanish. Or I can start a flame war with serbian Gypsies pictures, Understood ??

[Gospodine]

My own business? I am.

You're insulting and generalizing about millions and millions of people in the Balkans.

I have never once said Spaniards have Black/Berber/Moorish/Arab/SSA ancestry nor claimed any of them posted here on taxonomy do.

You guys have posted ad-hominem after ad hominen of crude jokes like "HUR HUR SLAVS=SLAVES", "GYSPY SHITHOLE", "YOU GUYS ARE TURKS", etc...

So in that case, I would greatly appreciate it if you all took your greaseball culture back to Mexico and wiped the doorstep on your way out. Viva Latino Pride.

[Hess]

your worshipped nordics ? Well, we are superior to both them and you slavs.

Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion? Can you please show how exactly Iberians are "superior" to Nordics and Slavs?

[Alvarado]

Oh I see, you have amnesia:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=993534&postcount=70
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997338&postcount=33
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997358&postcount=40
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997389&postcount=51

You're a very ethnically-challenged, sad, immature Iberian.

Thanks for proving my point. As everyone can see, the person who started talking about slaves in every thread is not me.

[Midori]

Thanks for proving my point. As everyone can see, the person who started talking about slaves in every thread is not me.

Some of you said that Balkanoids have more non-European influence than Iberians. So he started it, not me.

[Alvarado]

Some of you said that Balkanoids have more non-European influence than Iberians. So he started it, not me.

Edit: Ibericus has proved thousands of times that Iberians are more European than Balkanoids, and that's not related to this thread at all. Deal with it.

[Queen B]

In Spain is exotic, in Canary Islands or Greece is common.
Not common here, sorry .

they do, according to Onur

:rotfl:

:) let's talk seriously, you think that you look more European than Pedro? you and Pedro share all the exotic features, Dark and curly hair, olive skin, a face with a deep south-Mediterranean appearance ect.... honestly, I thought you opened this thread because your physical similarity with Pedro.
Criterioh doesn't have curly hair and his skin is very light in winter.

[manu]

canary islanders are closer to mainland spaniards than Basques are.

[Lábaru]

Some of you said that Balkanoids have more non-European influence than Iberians. So he started it, not me.

But that is a fact.
http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg



Criterioh doesn't have curly hair and his skin is very light in winter.

yeah, the Levantines are also very light in winter ect... we all know that, anyway, Criterioh look more like Pedro than a person from Europe, that's my point, and probably the reason why he opened this thread, don't you think?

[Midori]

But that is a fact.
http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg

And it's also a fact that your country has people with Negroid ancestry. Mine doesn't.

[Lábaru]

And it's also a fact that your country has people with Negroid ancestry. Mine doesn't.

but you are Levantine, Anatolian and other shits, genetics do not lie, and we are not talking about a 1%, but a 31% :)

[albanianwarrior]

But that is a fact.
http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg



yeah, the Levantines are also very light in winter ect... we all know that, anyway, Criterioh look more like Pedro than a person from Europe, that's my point, and probably the reason why he opened this thread, don't you think?

Spaniards are also 3-4% West Asian, on average 1% SSA and around 3% North African.

15% West Asian> 1% SSA + 3% North African

[Lábaru]

Spaniards are also 3-4% West Asian, on average 1% SSA and around 3% North African.

15% West Asian> 1% SSA + 3% North African

31% Anatolian-Levantine and another shits, 69% European and 31% scum, we are 91-99% European, fact the reality.

[Midori]

but you are Levantine, Anatolian and other shits, genetics do not lie, and we are not talking about a 1%, but a 31% :)

Still better than Negroid.

[tEhSaint]

31% Anatolian-Levantine and another shits, 69% European and 31% scum, we are 91-99% European, fact the reality.

Could you please provide your sources and the sample size ?

[Queen B]

yeah, the Levantines are also very light in winter ect... we all know that, anyway, Criterioh look more like Pedro than a person from Europe, that's my point, and probably the reason why he opened this thread, don't you think?
No, I don't think, neither I agree with your opinion.
Its obvious that his thread ''hurt'' you as a Spanish, but what you support doesn't make sense to me.

[Lábaru]

Still better than Negroid.

if 31% of your blood is not European, you guys are too impure....I now understand your huge complex with pigmentation.

[Lábaru]

No, I don't think, neither I agree with your opinion.
Its obvious that his thread ''hurt'' you as a Spanish, but what you support doesn't make sense to me.

what a hypocrite, as a Greek, you're hurt because Criterioh is as dark as Pedro.

Your nigger countryman started the thread, get a little decency, do not be hypocrital.

[tEhSaint]

if 31% of your blood is not European, you guys are too impure....I now understand your huge complex with pigmentation.

In the house of the hanged man you don't talk about the rope , dude ... :coffee:

[Almogavar]

Pedro is not spanish, he is african, Canarias is not Spain.
btw Pedros look is not common in Spain at all.

According to a recent study by Fregel et al. 2009, in spite of the geographic nearness between the Canary Islands and Morocco, the genetic heritage of the Canary islands male lineages, is mainly from European origin. Indeed, nearly 67% of the haplogroups resulting from are Euro–Eurasian (R1a(2.76%), R1b (50.62%), I (9.66%) and G (3.99%)). Unsurprisingly the Spanish conquest brought the genetic base of the current male population of the Canary Islands.

[Queen B]

what a hypocrite, as a Greek, you're hurt because Criterioh is as dark as Pedro.

I have met in person Criterioh, actually, and what you say just don't make sense.
It would be easier, and more believable of you, if you just posted and dark Greek and say ''Hey, you have also darkies, so what'' instead of your attack in baseless things.


Your nigger countryman started the thread, get a little decency, do not be hypocritical.
Too much insult you give to Criterioh. That's just proves that you are hurt about it .

[Comte Arnau]

I have met in person Criterioh, actually, and what you say just don't make sense.
It would be easier, and more believable of you, if you just posted and dark Greek and say ''Hey, you have also darkies, so what'' instead of your attack in baseless things.

Too much insult you give to Criterioh. That's just proves that you are hurt about it .

Well, you'll know what he is like IRL then. But at least in this forum he behaves as a real malaka.

[Insuperable]

if 31% of your blood is not European, you guys are too impure....I now understand your huge complex with pigmentation.

Labaru, where did you come with this number?
Macedonians are more European than that
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkbFGFGkvhh9dF9Va3ZpU3VnRVBTb1ZJckJBYWhGc mc&output=html

[Lábaru]

Too much insult you give to Criterioh. That's just proves that you are hurt about it .


and the same point should apply to you, the reason why you are involved in the thread, you are hurt about Criterioh, because he is dark pigmented as Pedro, accept it :)

[Queen B]

and the same point should apply to you, the reason why you are involved in the thread, you are hurt about Criterioh, because he is dark pigmented as Pedro, accept it :)
He is not ME to get hurt, neither I do care actually about pigmentation.

If you saw my first comment (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=999806&postcount=106) though, you will realize that its not about Criterioh at all. You turn the discussion and make it personal, instead.

[Ibericus]

Some of you said that Balkanoids have more non-European influence than Iberians. So he started it, not me.
Which is true :

West-Eurasia 14b Q
(West Med + Balto-Slav + Northwest European) :

Spain : 87.08%
Croatia : 82.44%

Dodecad v3 K=12 Total european :
Spain : 90.7%
Balkans : 85.2%

Eurogenes WE12 Q (Mediterranean + Baltic + North-Atlantic) :

Spaniards : 90.5
Serbs : 80.0
Romanians : 76.5
Bulgarians: 76.0


Eurogenes WE12 Q.B (Atlantic Med + Baltic + Finnish + North-Atlantic )
Spain 87.4
Bosnia 80.1
Serbia 77.8
Romania 73.8
Bulgaria 73.5

Eurogenes WE13 (Mediterrranean + North-Atlantic + Baltic ) :

Spain : 90.5
Serbia : 80.2
Romania : 77.0
Bulgaria : 76.2

Dodecad K10a Total European (Mediterrranean + Atlantic_Baltic)

Spanish : 92.0%
Serbian : 81.3%


Spaniards are also 3-4% West Asian, on average 1% SSA and around 3% North African.

15% West Asian> 1% SSA + 3% North African
That's not true at all. There isn't 1% SSA


According to a recent study by Fregel et al. 2009, in spite of the geographic nearness between the Canary Islands and Morocco, the genetic heritage of the Canary islands male lineages, is mainly from European origin. Indeed, nearly 67% of the haplogroups resulting from are Euro–Eurasian (R1a(2.76%), R1b (50.62%), I (9.66%) and G (3.99%)). Unsurprisingly the Spanish conquest brought the genetic base of the current male population of the Canary Islands.
In Canarians ,the y-dna is predominantly of european origin, but not the mtDNA.

[Lábaru]

He is not ME to get hurt, neither I do care actually about pigmentation.

lol


Not common here, sorry .


:rotfl:

Criterioh doesn't have curly hair and his skin is very light in winter.

You are trying to convince me that Criterioh is "SnowWhite".

[Queen B]

lol

Ι don't see what's funny for you to laugh.
My grammar in English sucks, if that's your problem .


You are trying to convince me that Criterioh is "SnowWhite".
No, I am trying to say that what you say is wrong, since he neither has curly hair, nor he is as dark as the one in the thread.Simply as that.
It doesn't have to be the opossite of something, to tell that they are not the same.

[Almogavar]

this thread and the other one feel a lot like http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4x-_wriSyM/T9TVLUKTftI/AAAAAAAACYI/BMhMR0aqWPU/s1600/user6133_pic34477_1326494238.jpg


Are you guys like 8yo?

lmao

[Lábaru]

No, I am trying to say that what you say is wrong, since he neither has curly hair, nor he is as dark as the one in the thread.Simply as that.
It doesn't have to be the opossite of something, to tell that they are not the same.

they could be twins.

[Queen B]

they could be twins.
I can't say anything more than checking your eyesight. :thumb001:

[Gospodine]

Dodecad Nonsense

1. The sample size of the Dodecad studies is highly questionable and not inclusive of enough Europeans.

2. WOOOOOOW. You're a whole 4-8% more European that us Balkanians.

4-8%!!! Holy shit.

All hail our Iberian overlords everyone.

All hail Yohana Cobo, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas and Pedro... representatives of our Iberian-Aryan masters.

[tEhSaint]

He look like you Criterioh, both of you have in common significant admixtures from outside Europe, could be your brother.

Epitome of retarness and problematic behaviour (you are being offensive and mean towards someone with absolutely no reason) . You 've better check it, its not quite healthy.

[Ibericus]

1. The sample size of the Dodecad studies is highly questionable and not inclusive of enough Europeans.

2. WOOOOOOW. You're a whole 4-8% more European that us Balkanians.

4-8%!!! Holy shit.

All hail our Iberian overlords everyone.

All hail Yohana Cobo, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas and Pedro... representatives of our Iberian-Aryan masters.
but 8% is quite a lot, when put in context of the rest of euros, for example :

Lithuanians : 96.8
Estonia : 95.6
Norway : 94.9
United Kingdom : 94.3
Swedes : 94.0
Denmark : 93.5
Ireland : 93.4
USA : 92.7
Polish : 92.2
French : 91.8
Netherlands : 91.5
Germany : 91.2
Spaniards : 90.5
Ukranians : 89.3
Finnish : 88.0
Russians : 87.8
Portuguese : 86.5
Hungarians : 86.0
North Italians : 84.4
Erzya : 81.8
Serbs : 80.0
Romanians : 76.5
Bulgarians: 76.0
Tuscans : 75.7
Italian : 63.2
Greek : 58.9
Sephardic Jews : 52.7
Cpyrus : 42.9

[Ibericus]

All hail Yohana Cobo, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas and Pedro... representatives of our Iberian-Aryan masters.
Oh, btw I forgot : Pedor is Canarian (not Iberian) , Cruz has gypsy ancestry and Yohana Coba, well it's not even necessary to comment. She has obviously some sort of Afro-Cuban ancestry or something exotic. If you don't see that, sorry but It means you are retarded.

[Lábaru]

Epitome of retarness and problematic behaviour (you are being offensive and mean towards someone with absolutely no reason) . You 've better check it, its not quite healthy.

Let me guess, another Greek nigger in enrage.

[2Cool]

1. The sample size of the Dodecad studies is highly questionable and not inclusive of enough Europeans.

2. WOOOOOOW. You're a whole 4-8% more European that us Balkanians.

4-8%!!! Holy shit.

All hail our Iberian overlords everyone.

All hail Yohana Cobo, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas and Pedro... representatives of our Iberian-Aryan masters.


Good, you should bow to Iberians. The Peninsula owns the crown of Europe after all.

http://i.imgur.com/JVB54.jpg?
http://i.imgur.com/LpgD3.jpg

:coffee:

[arcticwolf]

1. The sample size of the Dodecad studies is highly questionable and not inclusive of enough Europeans.

2. WOOOOOOW. You're a whole 4-8% more European that us Balkanians.

4-8%!!! Holy shit.

All hail our Iberian overlords everyone.

All hail Yohana Cobo, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas and Pedro... representatives of our Iberian-Aryan masters.

Actually at 96% of pure European blood I'm your overlord! :p

Just kidding. ;)

[Hess]

Oh, btw I forgot : Pedor is Canarian (not Iberian) , Cruz has gypsy ancestry and Yohana Coba, well it's not even necessary to comment. She has obviously some sort of Afro-Cuban ancestry or something exotic. If you don't see that, sorry but It means you are retarded.

Can you please provide credible, documented proof that Yohana Coba has "Afro-Cuban" Ancestry and that Penelope Cruz has Gypsy Ancestry?

[Neanderthal]

Can you please provide credible, documented proof that Yohana Coba has "Afro-Cuban" Ancestry and that Penelope Cruz has Gypsy Ancestry?

Well, she always looked quite atypical for a Spaniard to me (Penelope.)

[Hess]

Well, she always looked quite atypical for a Spaniard to me (Penelope.)


Looking "Atypical" does not necessarily mean that someone has foreign ancestry.

Genetics is like a lottery; there will always be outliers in every population.

For example, Laura Lepisto doesn't look like a "typical" Finn, but that doesn't mean that she has Non-Finnish ancestry.
http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/etusivu/2009/05/713481.jpg\


In the same way, just because Cruz doesn't look like an everyday Spaniard doesn't mean that she has Non-Spanish Ancestry

[Ibericus]

Can you please provide credible, documented proof that Yohana Coba has "Afro-Cuban" Ancestry
Eyes. And a brain.


and that Penelope Cruz has Gypsy Ancestry?
http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,275705_Odyseja_Penelope.html


Dziewczynka, najstarsza z trojga rodzeństwa, po babce miała cygańską krew. Chciała, jak ona, zostać baleriną. I choć w rodzinie się nie przelewało, matka postanowiła zainwestować w przyszłość córki.

The girl was the oldest of three siblings, >>>>by her grandmother she had gypsy blood.<<<<< She wanted to became ballerina like her grandmother. And although her family wan’t rich, the mother decided to invest in the future of her daughter. (translation by Zuzanna)

[Hess]

Eyes. And a brain.

Our "Eyes" and our "brain" are have a tendency to operate subjectively.

Just because you think that someone has "Afro-Cuban" ancestry, doesn't mean that they necessarily do.


http://www.rp.pl/artykul/2,275705_Odyseja_Penelope.html

I said credible/documented source, not a Polish Tabloid.

Celebrities with Non-European ancestry love to talk about it; did Cruz or one of her Publicists ever mention her Gypsy Blood? Did any of her Biographers mention her Gypsy blood?

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm glad it's that way. At least I don't see niggers, sandniggers and other non-whites on the streets of Skopje like you see in your country :coffee:

What you see continuously are gypsies and mestizos of turkish blood.
In my city there are not blacks, you must think that all spanish cities are like Paris, Madrid or New York...:rolleyes:

[Cristiano viejo]

Our "Eyes" and our "brain" are have a tendency to operate subjectively.

Just because you think that someone has "Afro-Cuban" ancestry, doesn't mean that they necessarily do.
We are the spaniards, we know those who belong to our people, we know how is our people.
Not you or any gypsy slavic, ok?

[Ibericus]

Our "Eyes" and our "brain" are have a tendency to operate subjectively.

Just because you think that someone has "Afro-Cuban" ancestry, doesn't mean that they necessarily do.
I can also post a european-born person with afro ancestry and say he/she is pure native.

[Ibericus]

I said credible/documented source, not a Polish Tabloid.

Have you read ? It's an interview by Barbara Hollender.

[Hess]

We are the spaniards, we know those who belong to our people, we know how is our people.
Not you or any gypsy slavic, ok?

Just because you (allegedly) are Spanish does not give you some sort of authority over Spanish Phenotypes.

Everyone can distort the truth, regardless of nationality. For example, there was a Serb on this site who tried to prove that Serbs were all light by photoshopping the pics he posts.


I can also post a european-born person with afro ancestry and say he/she is pure native.

Saying that someone has African Ancestry is a serious accusation; I would expect you to have some decent evidence to back your claim. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.

[Hess]

Have you read ? It's an interview by Barbara Hollender.

The google translation is really poor, but as far as I can tell it's just an article, not an interview.

[Ibericus]

Just because you (allegedly) are Spanish does not give you some sort of authority over Spanish Phenotypes.
You are wrong. Of course he has more authority. But it's not necessary to be spanish unless you have lived some period of time in Spain.


Saying that someone has African Ancestry is a serious accusation;
That's not an "accusation". That is how you interpret it.


I would expect you to have some decent evidence to back your claim. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.
https://www.farmaciaencasaonline.es/images/Gafas_254913.jpg

http://quepasafilms.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/yohana_cobo.jpg

[Ibericus]

The google translation is really poor, but as far as I can tell it's just an article, not an interview.
It's not an article, if you cared enough to read a little bit. It's an interview; that is : questions and answers. :thumbs up

[Hess]

You are wrong. Of course he has more authority. But it's not necessary to be spanish unless you have lived some period of time in Spain.

Someone can live in Spain for a hundred years and still be wrong about Spanish Phenotypes.

Especially on forums that mix Nationalism with Anthropology, some people can have romanticized view of their country.


That's not an "accusation". That is how you interpret it.

accusation, assertion, statement, call it what you will. The point is, if you're going to suggest that a person of some nationality has foreign blood, you should have some solid evidence.


https://www.farmaciaencasaonline.es/images/Gafas_254913.jpg

http://quepasafilms.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/yohana_cobo.jpg

Again, that's your subjective opinion.

You have a right to think that she has African Blood, just like how some Bulgarians have a right to think that Krasimir Balakov has gypsy blood.

There really is no way to prove or disprove your opinion without documented evidence.


It's not an article, if you cared enough to read a little bit. It's an interview; that is : questions and answers. :thumbs up

the part that mentions her Gypsy ancestry is not a direct quote by Cruz.

Interviews consist of quotes, and that was not a quote.

[Prince Carlo]

Almost all that non european stuff in SE European is West Asian. Many West Asian groups look "whiter" than Iberians. Just compare their soccer teams.

[Lábaru]

Almost all that non european stuff in SE European is West Asian. Many West Asian groups look "whiter" than Iberians. Just compare their soccer teams.

that's all that interests you, the colour, your inferiority complex against North Europe is enormous and you guys becomes in a ridiculous people, that's why I believe that we, Iberians, must stay away from you, the Orientals.

The Orientals people are doomed to be lower than North Europeans, some "whites mestizos" of second category, or even third category because some peripheral Eastern Europeans, as the Russians are much whiter than you.

[Almogavar]

Both Penelope and Yohana are hotties of sorts. I would be proud to have them as compatriots , rather than Belen Esteban or Esperanza Aguirre. A little bit of Gitano or Cuban blood does not ruin the pudding , just adds some spize. This said , even though neither of them, nor Pedro are average , they aren't absolute oddities either . I find your judging of the character of a nation according to your appearance childish and silly, specially since neither of the three elements mentioned are precisely Blacks , South Asians , Amerinds, Australids, Polinesians or Mongols, they are just exotic europids . What's wrong with you people?

[Insuperable]

Pedro started a shitstorm

[Anthropologique]

This thread needs to be closed. Talk about childish insults and misinformation.:rolleyes:

[Anthropologique]

Almost all that non european stuff in SE European is West Asian. Many West Asian groups look "whiter" than Iberians. Just compare their soccer teams.

A good part of it is also South-west Asian. In the May Eurogenes 12K run the figure for Italy as a whole is close to 14%. I believe that Greece comes in higher. Spain is ~ 4 - 5% and Portugal 8%.

On average, I don't see West-Asians as lighter than Iberians, especially given the autosomal evidence. The best thing to do is compare crowd and group photos, not football teams.

[Ibericus]

Almost all that non european stuff in SE European is West Asian. Many West Asian groups look "whiter" than Iberians. Just compare their soccer teams.
I would like to see which of these West-Asian groups are lighter than spaniards, but with Statistics please (Turks, Lebanese, Iranian, Georgian, Syrian. etc). Im waiting here impatiently. Btw in the study of Jablonski the spaniards were much lighter than West-Asians, heck they were lighter than other euros :

http://anthrospain.blogspot.com.es/2011/08/skin-reflectance-of-selected-world.html

[Ibericus]

A good part of it is also South-west Asian. In the May Eurogenes 12K run the figure for Italy as a whole is close to 14%. I believe that Greece comes in higher. Spain is ~ 4 - 5% and Portugal 8%.

On average, I don't see West-Asians as lighter than Iberians, especially given the autosomal evidence. The best thing to do is compare crowd and group photos, not football teams.
In the K12b the SW Asian (peaks in Arabs) figures is :

South-Italian 12.5
Sicilian 11.9
Greek 10.1
Central Italian 8.7
Tuscan 7.2
Bulgarian 6.4
Romanian 5.9
North Italian 5.8
Spanish 4.0
Andalusians 3.2
Ukranians 3.0
Hungarians 3.0
French 2.7
etc.

[Prince Carlo]

Jablonski study is dubious. Kurds fairer than Turks? Southern Chinese, Cambodia, Philippines, Vietnam fairer than Japan (Southwest)?

And Spaniards have more SSA and NWA than Greeks and Italians.

[Queen B]

that's why I believe that we, Iberians, must stay away from you, the Orientals.

The Orientals people are doomed to be lower than North Europeans, some "whites mestizos" of second category, or even third category because some peripheral Eastern Europeans, as the Russians are much whiter than you.

:loco::loco::loco::loco::loco:

[Midori]

Jablonski study is dubious. Kurds fairer than Turks? Southern Chinese, Cambodia, Philippines, Vietnam fairer than Japan (Southwest)?

And Spaniards have more SSA and NWA than Greeks and Italians.

Greeks don't have SSA at all, and I think Italians lack it too.

[Gospodine]

The Orientals people are doomed to be lower than North Europeans, some "whites mestizos" of second category, or even third category because some peripheral Eastern Europeans, as the Russians are much whiter than you.

The history of Iberia summed up in 10 seconds:

http://i54.tinypic.com/29u1vq.jpg

[Ibericus]

Jablonski study is dubious. Kurds fairer than Turks? Southern Chinese, Cambodia, Philippines, Vietnam fairer than Japan (Southwest)?

And Spaniards have more SSA and NWA than Greeks and Italians.
SSA is irrelevant in terms of pigmentation, since it's only 0.1% or less, which is noise level. And no, the study of Jablonski is the most serious on skin tone, since it's based on skin reflectance with direct observation, instead of those stupid maps based on UV radiation and not direct observation, with real people.

[Ibericus]

The history of Iberia summed up in 10 seconds:

http://i54.tinypic.com/29u1vq.jpg
Spain --> Conquered and dominated the sea and land of the whole planet, from America to East-Asia. Founded and governed half of the USA (California, Texas, Nevada, Florida, etc). Established intense commercial relationships also with East-Asia (Japan, Philippines) and between America and Asia.

Macedonia --> Discovering the macedonia salad by mixing different fruits.

[Midori]

Spain --> Conquered and dominated the sea and land of the whole planet, from America to East-Asia. Founded and governed half of the USA (California, Texas, Nevada, Florida, etc). Established intense commercial relationships also with East-Asia (Japan, Philippines) and between America and Asia.

Macedonia --> Discovering the macedonia salad by mixing different fruits.

He is not Macedonian :confused:

[Gospodine]

Spain --> Conquered and dominated the sea and land of the whole planet, from America to East-Asia. Founded and governed half of the USA (California, Texas, Nevada, Florida, etc). Established intense commercial relationships also with East-Asia (Japan, Philippines) and between America and Asia.


... and is now overrun by the people it conquered, has no real strategic influence and is bankrupt.

How do you like them apples?

Keep living in the past, it's so much nicer.

I never claimed any Balkan country was an ideal utopia; you really need remove your head out of your ass.

[Hess]

He is not Macedonian :confused:

It doesn't matter, all of you Inferior Orientals are the same to us.

[Gospodine]

It doesn't matter, all of you Inferior Orientals are the same to us.

And no one gives a shit what you think.

Greeks gave birth to Europe. Serbs and South Slavs defended it from the Ottoman onslaught (or died trying). Nikola Tesla is the father of the industrial age.
The Balkans was one of the few refuges for humanity in Europe during the LGM and was the point from which most of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia was repopulated from.

Russians took it up the ass from Mongols, Tatars, Turkic tribes, Uralic tribes, German/Norse invaders and pretty much everyone who ever came from Central Asia.

Not to mention sold themselves out to the Jews like Trotsky or Lenin (half-Jew).

Their supposedly "mighty" military was demolished in Chechnya by a bunch of Churka-Muslim teenagers with home-made weapons.

Get a grip.

[Optimus]

that's all that interests you, the colour, your inferiority complex against North Europe is enormous and you guys becomes in a ridiculous people, that's why I believe that we, Iberians, must stay away from you, the Orientals.

The Orientals people are doomed to be lower than North Europeans, some "whites mestizos" of second category, or even third category because some peripheral Eastern Europeans, as the Russians are much whiter than you.

Oh really!

Balkans has considerably high I2 haplogroup(which haplogroup i belong to) which is Mesolithic in origin.Iberia has shitload of R1b which came much latter in Europe and brought the Gedrosian component which means that they looked like similar to Pashtuns,Kurds and Iranians and even Gypsy like.

[Lábaru]

Oh really!

Balkans has considerably high I2 haplogroup(which haplogroup i belong to) which is Mesolithic in origin.Iberia has shitload of R1b which came much latter in Europe and brought the Gedrosian component which means that they looked like similar to Pashtuns,Kurds and Iranians and even Gypsy like.

And now the reallity.
http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg

[Gospodine]

http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg

Autosomally we may be closer to Near-Eastern types, but paternally Haplogroup I peaks in the Balkans.

I was the first haplogroup to enter Europe.

[Optimus]

And now the reallity.
http://s15.postimage.org/pa3g86n89/euroadmix_png.jpg

Do you worship that map?

It is outdated since Med in it's purest form as Southern component is more alien to North European than WestAsian component and moreover Med/Southern component peaks highest among some Arabs.:)

[Gospodine]

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/African-admixture.gif

BASED ON AUTOSOMAL DATA FROM THE DODECAD.

Ooooh that burns.

[Lábaru]

Do you worship that map?

It is outdated since Med in it's purest form as Southern component is more alien to North European than WestAsian component and moreover Med/Southern component peaks highest among some Arabs.:)

xD xD xD this map is very recent, is time to accept that some easterners have 30-40% of no European mixture.

[Optimus]

xD xD xD this map is very recent, is time to accept that some easterners have 30-40% of no European mixture.

OK i get it now,you are those of 24 hour per day Spanish Panchitos who spend their times fighting "Orientalos" and prove the world that they are the whitest Southern Europeans.

[Rouxinol]

I love these charts and maps people post. They all seem to differ so much that I cannot believe in any of them without knowing beforehand with precision all the methodology used to make them. In any original scientific paper, and I have read much of them, there is a section named METHODOLOGY or METHODS, so that other scientists can assess the reliability of what they're reading. Looks like that in these maps that pop up on these sort of anthropology forums everyone's pulling for their own versions of the story.

[tEhSaint]

Oh, come on Spaniards, quit insults and stuff ... embrace your glorious SSA and lets get over this shitty thread.

[Furor]

he looks mostly gracile med(pigmentation is usually dark in this type and in the eastmed type) with a cromagnid influence
http://www.blaugranas.com/media/galeria/25/9/3/4/6/o_f_c_barcelona_pedro-406439.jpghttp://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gracilmed-sk.jpg

[Hess]

And no one gives a shit what you think.

Greeks gave birth to Europe. Serbs and South Slavs defended it from the Ottoman onslaught (or died trying). Nikola Tesla is the father of the industrial age.
The Balkans was one of the few refuges for humanity in Europe during the LGM and was the point from which most of Eastern Europe and Scandinavia was repopulated from.

Russians took it up the ass from Mongols, Tatars, Turkic tribes, Uralic tribes, German/Norse invaders and pretty much everyone who ever came from Central Asia.

Not to mention sold themselves out to the Jews like Trotsky or Lenin (half-Jew).

Their supposedly "mighty" military was demolished in Chechnya by a bunch of Churka-Muslim teenagers with home-made weapons.

Get a grip.

I was being sarcastic.

[Gospodine]

I was being sarcastic.

Lol. Well... make it obvious then won't you?

Given the extreme opinions prone to this site, sarcasm and TA don't go hand in hand.

[Midori]

Lol. Well... make it obvious then won't you?

Given the extreme opinions prone to this site, sarcasm and TA don't go hand in hand.

Hess is Slavic too :D

[dralos]

gospodine you're serb

[Gospodine]

And to bring the thread down to a new level of idiocy...

Dralos, ladies and gentleman.

[Archduke]

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/African-admixture.gif

No nigger admixture in Greece and the rest of the Balkans :coffee:

This will disappoint dralos. :(

[dralos]

This will disappoint dralos. :(
it really makes me sad:(:(:(:(:(:(

[dralos]

And to bring the thread down to a new level of idiocy...

Dralos, ladies and gentleman.
i dont need to that while you do it with your serbian propaganda

[Gospodine]

i dont need to that while you do it with your serbian propaganda

Send your posts back to yesterday when I might have given a shit.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1063867_o.gif

You're a tiring, repetitive troll who makes 100 posts per day to say the exact same nonsense.

[dralos]

Send your posts back to yesterday when I might have given a shit.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1063867_o.gif

You're a tiring, repetitive troll who makes 100 posts per day to say the exact same nonsense.
and you're a serb who acts like a bosniak you aint fooling anyone buddy:thumb001:

[Archduke]

It is obvious that Gospodine is a serb. Only a crazy bosnian will be yugonostalgic.

[Comte Arnau]

Having seen all of the arguments given by the people here, this should be a most suitable debate-room for you to reach a conclusion.

http://luxhomedecor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Childrens-playroom3.jpg

[dralos]

It is obvious that Gospodine is a serb. Only a crazy bosnian will be yugonostalgic.
offcourse he is,thats why he just writes bosnian as ethnicity instead of bosniak

[Gospodine]

offcourse he is,thats why he just writes bosnian as ethnicity instead of bosniak

Seriously, when you're able to communicate in a post-preschool level, I'll talk to you again.
You need to be diagnosed for ADHD already.

Until then, continuing believing every blond person is Albanian.

[dralos]

Seriously, when you're able to communicate in a post-preschool level, I'll talk to you again.
You need to be diagnosed for ADHD already.

Until then, continuing believing every blond person is Albanian.
lol thats so not me,and why are you insulting me so much just bcs i revealed your true ethinicity

[safinator]

Seriously, when you're able to communicate in a post-preschool level, I'll talk to you again.
You need to be diagnosed for ADHD already.

Until then, continuing believing every blond person is Albanian.

I didn't understand this part frankly.

[Gospodine]

I didn't understand this part frankly.

Every single time I see a post of his on the taxonomy section, if the said subject is blonde, he claims they're Albanian without fail.

Go check his history.

Blonde = Albanian. It's just retarded thinking. I wouldn't even claim 60% of Bosnians are blonde.

[dralos]

Every single time I see a post of his on the taxonomy section, if the said subject is blonde, he claims they're Albanian without fail.

Go check his history.

Blonde = Albanian. It's just retarded thinking. I wouldn't even claim 60% of Bosnians are blonde.
lol thats so not me LOL

[Archduke]

Seriously, when you're able to communicate in a post-preschool level, I'll talk to you again.
You need to be diagnosed for ADHD already.

Until then, continuing believing every blond person is Albanian.

i'm the one who said he looks albo, you muslim serb.

[Midori]

you muslim serb.

Don't talk to my friend like that :viking

[Gospodine]

i'm the one who said he looks albo, you muslim serb.

Be quiet you Catholic Bulgarian traitor. Nobody's talking to you.

[dralos]

Don't talk to my friend like that :viking
you're right he is not muslim,he's totally nordic serb who is trying to pass as bosniak:D

[dralos]

Be quiet you Catholic Bulgarian traitor. Nobody's talking to you.
be nice you,this aint serbia you know

[Gospodine]

lol thats so not me LOL

Pretty sure it is, since everyone criticizes you on pretty much every classification you make when you claim someone looks Albanian.

It's clear you have some Nordicist-Albanian agenda; you can admit it, I don't give a shit.

The Serbs will have issues with you for it, but ordinarily I don't care, as long as you don't try and project your flaws onto me.

[Archduke]

Be quiet you Catholic Bulgarian traitor. Nobody's talking to you.

Who said it? :D The muslim serb.

At least i'm christian.

[dralos]

Pretty sure it is, since everyone criticizes you on pretty much every classification you make when you claim someone looks Albanian.
i do say sometimes they look albanians when they actually do but it has nothing to do with blondism,there you're totally wrong,i just said armani can pass as typically albo without problem and he's far from being blonde LOL

[Gospodine]

At least i'm christian.

At least I'm not retarded and won't pass any retarded genes onto my children.

[dralos]

At least I'm not retarded and won't pass any retarded genes onto my children.
this is lame

[Insuperable]

Somebody close the damn thread

[Gospodine]

this is lame

No calling people "Muslims" and "Serbs" is lame.

Calling you out on being a pro-Nordicist troll who is trying to paint Albania as the role model European nation is the truth.

[Lábaru]

http://cdn3.staztic.com/screenshots/the-balkan-wars-ebook-11-1.jpg

[dralos]

No calling people "Muslims" and "Serbs" is lame.

Calling you out on being a pro-Nordicist troll who is trying to paint Albania as the role model European nation is the truth.
lol i never did anything of that,i'm proud of my nation but i've never said its a rolemodel dont be putting words on my mouth,but then again its serbian national sport to lie

[Damião de Góis]

The history of Iberia summed up in 10 seconds:

http://i54.tinypic.com/29u1vq.jpg

Nope, we have history unlike Balkanoids:

http://www.reformation.org/large-spanish-empire.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_e6lNNDCBGdU/SuBVtp4nSnI/AAAAAAAAAHY/5F56eqJDe1c/s1600/680px-The_Portuguese_Empire.png

What was going on in the Balkans during all these centuries? This perhaps?

http://www.qlf.org/Images/sheep.jpg

[dralos]

alex why are talking about all balkanoid,dude is serbian

[Archduke]

lol i never did anything of that,i'm proud of my nation but i've never said its a rolemodel dont be putting words on my mouth,but then again its serbian national sport to lie

what can i say? typical serbian behaviour indeed. ;)

[Midori]

what can i say? typical serbian behaviour indeed. ;)

Am I a typical Serb according to you?

[dralos]

Am I a typical Serb according to you?
you're bulgarian aka albo in denial:D

[Archduke]

Am I a typical Serb according to you?

no you are typical bulgarian. :D

[Damião de Góis]

alex why are talking about all balkanoid,dude is serbian

I'm still not 100% acquainted with all those new countries...

[dralos]

I'm still not 100% acquainted with all those new countries...
i understand but plz dont put us all in the same box,oke
bcs we're all very different he's serbian and totally different from me,oke:thumb001:

[Midori]

no you are typical bulgarian. :D

No way, I take after my Hungarian side :D I'm not impulsive like a typical Balkanoid.

[Lábaru]

Serbia is not in the Balkan Peninsula?

[dralos]

No way, I take after my Hungarian side :D I'm not impulsive like a typical Balkanoid.
than i'm swedish and we both know i'm far from being swedish:D

[Archduke]

Serbia is not in the Balkan Peninsula?

yes, serbia is in central europe.

[Comte Arnau]

yes, serbia is in central europe.

Lol. Balkan humour.

[dralos]

Lol. Balkan humour.
its not humour,if you knew serbs you would know they're nordic:D

[Gospodine]

Serbia is not in the Balkan Peninsula?

What he meant was, I'm apparently not really Bosnian since I disagree with these two, pro-Nordicist clowns.

It's his attempt at humour. You'll have to excuse him; he's a Catholic Bulgarian, so he's already severely confused as it is.

[Lábaru]

yes, serbia is in central europe.

I do not think that Serbia is central europe.
http://viajesdeeuropa.com/wp-content/mapa_de_europa_politico.jpg

[Archduke]

What he meant was, I'm apparently not really Bosnian since I disagree with these two, pro-Nordicist clowns.

It's his attempt at humour. You'll have to excuse him; he's a Catholic Bulgarian, so he's already severely confused as it is.

if i'm nordicist then i don't know what rashka and sorab have to be. :D

[Archduke]

I do not think that Serbia is central europe.

can't you feel the irony?

[dralos]

if i'm nordicist then i don't know what rashka and sorab have to be. :D
you are i've seen your pic,you're swede in denial:D

[Lábaru]

can't you feel the irony?

I fear that humor from Balkan is excessive for a Castilian.

[Insuperable]

In Iberia there are two ethnicities while in Balkans there are tons of them.
I hate when someone mentions Balkan or Balkanites

[Gospodine]

On Iberia there are two ethnicities while in Balkans there are tons of them.
I hate when someone mentions Balkan.

Yeah we can all really be screwed quoting 10 different ethnic groups to be uber-politically correct.

It's the damn Balkans. What do you want?

[Insuperable]

Yeah we can all really be screwed quoting 10 different ethnic groups to be uber-politically correct.

It's the damn Balkans. What do you want?

Stop referring to Balkanites, that is what I want. Balkanites are diverse people both culturally and genetically more diverse than the average European neighboroughs.

[Gospodine]

Stop referring to Balkanites, that is what I want. Balkanites are diverse people both culturally and genetically more diverse than the average European neighboroughs.

I don't. I just say Balkans or Balkan people when I want to refer to the population in general.

Autosomally we are fairly close, aside from Bulgaria and Greece, which are rather distant from the rest.

[dralos]

Stop referring to Balkanites, that is what I want. Balkanites are diverse people both culturally and genetically more diverse than the average European neighboroughs.
i totally agree here,thats why i think he's serbian or mixed(bosniak/serb)

[Comte Arnau]

In Iberia there are two ethnicities while in Balkans there are tons of them.

NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb001:

[Gospodine]

In Iberia there are two ethnicities

Yeah that was quite ignorant of you. For once I'll take the Iberian side.

Basques, Catalonians, Andalusians, etc...

Otherwise with that simplified logic you're just a Catholic Serb.

[2Cool]

http://i.imgur.com/gjQBY.png

[Dilberth]

Otherwise with that simplified logic you're just a Catholic Serb.

How so?

[Lábaru]

Basques, Catalonians, Andalusians, etc...

Otherwise with that simplified logic you're just a Catholic Serb.

Andalucians are not an ethnicity, they can be considered Castilian, in any case, Spanish is an ethnic group comprising all those places ---->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain

[Gospodine]

i totally agree here,thats why i think he's serbian or mixed(bosniak/serb)

Not a primitive Turk = Can't be from Bosnia.

Great logic you retard.

[Comte Arnau]

Andalucians are not an ethnicity, they can be considered Castilian, in any case, Spanish is an ethnic group comprising all those places.

Sure. And European is an ethnic group comprising Iberians and Balkanites. :rolleyes:

[Archduke]

How so?

He just showed his true serbian nature. :thumbs up

[dralos]

Not a primitive Turk = Can't be from Bosnia.

Great logic you retard.
lol again putting words in my mouth where did i say that bosniaks are primitive turks LOL,you just exposed yourself serb

[Insuperable]

Yeah that was quite ignorant of you. For once I'll take the Iberian side.

Basques, Catalonians, Andalusians, etc...

Otherwise with that simplified logic you're just a Catholic Serb.

Why are you mentioning Catalonians and Andalusians? It is like mentioning Bavarians and Germans. I can understand Basques but this..

On Balkans we have Slavs with different nationalities, ethnicities, Illyrians, Hellens

[Comte Arnau]

Why are you mentioning Catalonians and Andalusians? It is like mentioning Bavarians and Germans.

In the case of Andalusians, yes, they're like the Bavarians of Castile.

In the case of the Catalans, you just proved again you know shit about us. Two fails in a row.

[Insuperable]

In the case of Andalusians, yes, they're like the Bavarians of Castile.

In the case of the Catalans, you just proved again you know shit about us. Two fails in a row.

You have just proved you know shit about your history

[Comte Arnau]

You have just proved you know shit about your history

Now you've just proved you're a jerk.

But then you Croatians, who, unlike us, do speak the same as the Serbs and the Bosnians, call yourselves a distinct ethnicity. Now THAT is funny. :rolleyes:

[Lábaru]

Relax Count, everyone here knows that Catalonia is a Spanish region where Spanish is the language most spoken.

Ethnicity: Spanish, subethnicity, Catalan, Galician, Basque ect...