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Bugarash
07-07-2012, 10:39 AM
By 2020 it is expected that Bulgaria will be a middle income eruopean economy
while in a global level it will be a economy with a high standard of living.:thumb001:


Bulgaria Hopes to Get EUR 14 B in EU Funding for 2014-2020

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Bulgaria is seeking to convince the EU institutions and the other member states it should be entitled to a total of EUR 14 B in EU funding for the next EU budget period, 2014-2020, Prime Minister Borisov declared after meeting with EU Commissioner Johannes Hahn.

"We are striving for about EUR 14 B for the next programming period, and for the time being they would set aside only EUR 10 B for us," Borisov stated in Sofia at his joint news conference with EU Commissioner for Regional Policy Johannes Hahn.

The Bulgarian PM made it clear that his government will put up a lot of efforts into the negotiations for the EU funding for 2014-2020.

Bulgaria was entitled to about EUR 11 B for the period 2007-2013 but it has absorbed only about 10%-15% so far.

"We absolutely need to reach an absorption rate of over 50% of EU funds this year. Otherwise, when we are holding talks for the next budget framework, they will say, "We will grant you a billion over what you've absorbed, and that's it," Borisov said.

He revealed that EU Commissioner Hahn has recommended that Bulgaria should team up with its neighbors when demanding EU money for certain projects because each EU member state is trying to get more EU funding because of the economic crisis; an example in hand is Bulgaria's joint project with Romania for the construction of the second bridge on the Danube River, the so called Danube Bridge 2.

EU Commissioner for Regional Development pointed out that Bulgaria has achieved a certain degree of progress in the absorption of EU funds but that it is still lagging behind.

"You are still behind but you did start late when it comes to the absorption of EU money. You are already catching up, and have achieved remarkable progress. The absorption rate is increasing. 2011 and 2012 are the years when all EU member states are getting down to the realization of the EU-funded projects," Hahn told reporters at his joint news conference with Borisov.

He did point out, however, that Bulgaria's hopes for a more massive amounts of EU funds for the 2014-2020 period might be frustrated if the EC draft proposal in question is adopted; in this case, the money that Bulgaria will be entitled to get from the EU will exceed barely the amount slated for it for 2007-2013.

At his joint news conference with Bulgarian Finance Minister Simeon Djankov, EU Commissioner for Budget and Financial Planning Janusz Lewandowski, who was also in Sofia on Friday, also said that for the next seven-year financial period Bulgaria will certainly be entitled to at least as much EU money as it was entitled to receive in 2007-2013.

Onur
07-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Wishful thinking...

You cant get a dime from EU because their heydays are over and all the free funds has already been leeched by the Greeks before.

Rather than getting any money, you Bulgarians better try to be careful about not giving any money to bankrupt states like Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Spain and others due to EU regulations you signed up before.

Sorry Bulgarians, you jumped in the train so late and all the cookies on the dinner table has already been eaten.

Bugarash
07-07-2012, 08:38 PM
Wishful thinking...

You cant get a dime from EU because their heydays are over and all the free funds has already been leeched by the Greeks before.

Rather than getting any money, you Bulgarians better try to be careful about not giving any money to bankrupt states like Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Spain and others due to EU regulations you signed up before.

Sorry Bulgarians, you jumped in the train so late and all the cookies on the dinner table has already been eaten.

You are half right,but nobody wouldnt want the EU and the EU wouldnt have a sence in existing if it didint give away free money to the less developed states.

Greece used it's EU membership to the max and from a poor peasent country became a state with a western standard of living,well it was till some years ago.

Bulgaria at the moments is building the most infrastructure projects than all balkan countries put together-almost all of those projects are EU funded!

5 motorways U/C
Sofia metro
ring roads
road junctions
renewing public transport
bridges over the Danube
improving the railroad network

I mean I can give you millions of examples about how the EU membership has helped.

Greece is a different story
they are the pet of the EU,they are members more than 30 years,by now they have managed to establish a strong position within the EU.

They were in the EU in a time when the eastern block existed-which made them crucial out of a geo-political aspect so the EU has been giving them larger sums ever since.

Greec-11 million people is reciving the same amount of money as Poland-40 million people and more than Romania-19 million.

Lithium
07-07-2012, 08:45 PM
Yeah, we are building all kinds of roads and metro while the population dies because of poor medical care and our grandparent's 200-300lv pension insurance.

Bugarash
07-07-2012, 09:14 PM
Communism and the most criminal transition in Europe
after those two elements it is hard to put the country back on track but things are going for the better.

Onur
07-07-2012, 09:27 PM
Communism and the most criminal transition in Europe
after those two elements it is hard to put the country back on track but things are going for the better.
It`s not because of Ottoman era? :rolleyes:

Thats what Greeks says for their current economical crisis. They say that they are in their current miserable situation because of Ottoman reign before 1830 :D

Bugarash
07-07-2012, 09:36 PM
It`s not because of Ottoman era? :rolleyes:

Thats what Greeks says for their current economical crisis. They say that they are in their current miserable situation because of Ottoman reign before 1830 :D

Of course,the ottoman period influenced the balkan region at the greatest part,even most of the problems we have today come from that...it turned the balkan from the center of the world into the poorest part of Europe.

if it wasnt for the ottoman occupation now Bulgaria would have been a factor in Europe...

one fact-before the ottoman invasion,Bulgaria had a population bigger than the one of England!

now we are 7 and England is more than 50 million.

But you cant blame only the ottomans,we could have done much more in the last 150 years as we are indipendent,only in communism we lost crucial 50 years of our development...

Albion
07-14-2012, 07:13 PM
Of course,the ottoman period influenced the balkan region at the greatest part,even most of the problems we have today come from that...it turned the balkan from the center of the world into the poorest part of Europe.

if it wasnt for the ottoman occupation now Bulgaria would have been a factor in Europe...

one fact-before the ottoman invasion,Bulgaria had a population bigger than the one of England!

now we are 7 and England is more than 50 million.

But you cant blame only the ottomans,we could have done much more in the last 150 years as we are indipendent,only in communism we lost crucial 50 years of our development...

That's really because of the industrial revolution. The population of England & Wales (one entity then) went from 12 million in 1821 to 36.1 million (around the modern population of Canada) by 1911. Scotland went from 2.1 million to 4.8 million.
During that same period 17 million people left the British Isles (modern population of NL is 16 million).

British migrations from 1821 to 1911:

3.4 million to Canada
9.6 million to USA
0.9 million to South America
0.7 million to Africa
2.3 million to Oceania



I'm not sure whether the Ottomans held Bulgaria back but I suppose it isn't hard to imagine. I'd have to look into it more before passing judgement on that.

poiuytrewq0987
07-16-2012, 09:53 AM
Yeah, we are building all kinds of roads and metro while the population dies because of poor medical care and our grandparent's 200-300lv pension insurance.

Sad but true. Governments spend millions on projects but they don't think about using those millions to raise social pension payments and provide better free healthcare?! :rolleyes: In Macedonia, they recently passed a law where all Macedonians who earn less than average pension will now get free healthcare I think that is a good start...


Wishful thinking...

You cant get a dime from EU because their heydays are over and all the free funds has already been leeched by the Greeks before.

Rather than getting any money, you Bulgarians better try to be careful about not giving any money to bankrupt states like Greece, Cyprus, Ireland, Spain and others due to EU regulations you signed up before.

Sorry Bulgarians, you jumped in the train so late and all the cookies on the dinner table has already been eaten.

Partially true but ECB's total reserves amount to more than 500 billion euros... the EU's still got plenty of money. Greeks have indeed eaten a huuuge piece of the cake but there's still more to go around. ;)


That's really because of the industrial revolution. The population of England & Wales (one entity then) went from 12 million in 1821 to 36.1 million (around the modern population of Canada) by 1911. Scotland went from 2.1 million to 4.8 million.
During that same period 17 million people left the British Isles (modern population of NL is 16 million).

British migrations from 1821 to 1911:

3.4 million to Canada
9.6 million to USA
0.9 million to South America
0.7 million to Africa
2.3 million to Oceania



I'm not sure whether the Ottomans held Bulgaria back but I suppose it isn't hard to imagine. I'd have to look into it more before passing judgement on that.

I would probably blame capitalism more than anything. Balkan countries had steady population growth during communism but now we live in free democracies and demographics are in a freefall. Is there a correlation? You decide.

morski
07-16-2012, 05:22 PM
Sad but true. Governments spend millions on projects but they don't think about using those millions to raise social pension payments and provide better free healthcare?! :rolleyes: In Macedonia, they recently passed a law where all Macedonians who earn less than average pension will now get free healthcare I think that is a good start...



Partially true but ECB's total reserves amount to more than 500 billion euros... the EU's still got plenty of money. Greeks have indeed eaten a huuuge piece of the cake but there's still more to go around. ;)



I would probably blame capitalism more than anything. Balkan countries had steady population growth during communism but now we live in free democracies and demographics are in a freefall. Is there a correlation? You decide.

The demographic decline started in the 80s here.

Albion
07-16-2012, 10:04 PM
I would probably blame capitalism more than anything. Balkan countries had steady population growth during communism but now we live in free democracies and demographics are in a freefall. Is there a correlation? You decide.

If that were true then why hasn't it happened in countries where capitalism has been long established?

Onur
07-16-2012, 11:18 PM
I would probably blame capitalism more than anything. Balkan countries had steady population growth during communism but now we live in free democracies and demographics are in a freefall. Is there a correlation? You decide.
This is not happening in Balkans because of capitalism. It`s happening because Balkan people are generally not happy about their own countries.

The people were not happy during communism era either but they had no other choice other than staying in their own countries because their borders were closed. They were living inside the iron curtain and the outside world was a capitalist one. These two worlds was hostile against each other.

After the fall of commie regimes, their borders opened and they finally fulfilled their dream of escaping from Balkans in favor of going to western Europe to do shitty jobs in there.

So yes, there is a correlation but it`s not because of capitalism but it`s because of poor condition of Balkans and this didn't start after the fall of communism but it was already the case for a long time.

Sargon999
07-16-2012, 11:24 PM
This is not happening in Balkans because of capitalism. It`s happening because Balkan people are generally not happy about their own countries.

The people were not happy during communism era either but they had no other choice other than staying in their own countries because their borders were closed. They were living inside the iron curtain and the outside world was a capitalist one. These two worlds was hostile against each other.

After the fall of commie regimes, their borders opened and they finally fulfilled their dream of escaping from Balkans in favor of going to western Europe to do shitty jobs in there.

So yes, there is a correlation but it`s not because of capitalism but it`s because of poor condition of Balkans and this didn't start after the fall of communism but it was already the case for a long time.

Yugoslavia was doing good economically during many decades. Most Balkan people speak well of the Yugoslavian era regarding economy.

Onur
07-16-2012, 11:51 PM
Yugoslavia was doing good economically during many decades. Most Balkan people speak well of the Yugoslavian era regarding economy.
I don't know much about Yugoslavia`s economical capability but what i know is that communism/socialism always had great tools to keep problems hidden from public.

I mean, it`s a closed society and everything under the government`s control. You work in where your government wants you to work and you buy only the things they allow. You cant buy anything you like or do whatever you like. If your life becomes as simple as that without many options, then ofc the ordinary masses aka proletarians lives with an illusion like "We are bored of our lives but hey, everything seems OK".

It`s because the concept of "everything" for a proletarian in a commie state was vastly different than the other capitalist people`s "everything".

I mean, while you consider your life standard as OK if you have an ipod, ipad, car etc., but some young man in rural parts of China thinks it`s OK when his father harvests enough rice from their field.

Or i heard so many commie Bulgaria stories from my brother`s wife. She said that she was so happy when they eat banana because they were allowed to eat just one banana per year in commie Bulgarian state because it was an imported product from outside world. While in Turkey, this wasn't even an issue because there was bananas everywhere, everytime. I don't know anyone here jumping in joy when eating bananas.

poiuytrewq0987
07-17-2012, 12:45 AM
I don't know much about Yugoslavia`s economical capability but what i know is that communism/socialism always had great tools to keep problems hidden from public.

I mean, it`s a closed society and everything under the government`s control. You work in where your government wants you to work and you buy only the things they allow. You cant buy anything you like or do whatever you like. If your life becomes as simple as that without many options, then ofc the ordinary masses aka proletarians lives with an illusion like "We are bored of our lives but hey, everything seems OK".

It`s because the concept of "everything" for a proletarian in a commie state was vastly different than the other capitalist people`s "everything".

I mean, while you consider your life standard as OK if you have an ipod, ipad, car etc., but some young man in rural parts of China thinks it`s OK when his father harvests enough rice from their field.

Or i heard so many commie Bulgaria stories from my brother`s wife. She said that she was so happy when they eat banana because they were allowed to eat just one banana per year in commie Bulgarian state because it was an imported product from outside world. While in Turkey, this wasn't even an issue because there was bananas everywhere, everytime. I don't know anyone here jumping in joy when eating bananas.

If Yugoslavia didn't break apart then it would have been the first Eastern European country to join the EU's predecessor the EEC (European Economic Community)... way before Czechia, Poland, etc. Ex-Yugoslavia lost a lot economically when they decided to break up the country. I covered this a quite bit in another thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16364

Here's what ex-Yugoslavia's economies might have looked like if the country didn't break up

Croatia

Current nominal GDP: $60 billion

Croatia in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $96 billion

Slovenia

Current nominal GDP: $48 billion

Slovenia in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $48 billion

Slovenia was the only country that experienced consistent growth post-war so the $48 billion figure is pretty much right.

Serbia (Central Serbia + Vojvodina and Kosovo combined)

Current nominal GDP: $58 billion

Serbia in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $105 billion

Macedonia:

Current nominal GDP: $10 billion

Macedonia in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $30 billion

Montenegro:

Current nominal GDP: $4.1 billion

Montenegro in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $5.6 billion

Bosnia:

Current nominal GDP: $17.4 billion

Bosnia in Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $39.1 billion

Yugoslavia:

Former Yugoslavia nominal GDP: $197.4 billion

Yugoslavia 2011 nominal GDP: $323.1 billion

Bugarash
07-17-2012, 03:40 PM
You are forgetting that most of the yugoslav econoic growth was boosted by foreign credits...not to mention the wars who helped in the decrease of living standards.

The entire yugoslav economic policy was one big lie from the beginning.

Slovenia and Croatia were the motors while the rest were just parasites sucking in.

Kosovo and Macedonia were the poorest regions for which there was even a national fund that poured extra money.

Bugarash 1893
10-12-2012, 02:59 AM
Sofia's second metro line built with EU money

Probably the metro with the most unique stations in Europe.
Station-museums with the ancient remains found during the contruction.

Station Serdika II

The folk dress is from the region of Macedonia;)

http://static.inews.bg/pictures/617738_1000_.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/79837899.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/79674093.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/79674085.jpg

http://www.capital.bg/shimg/big_1898746.jpg

Bugarash 1893
10-12-2012, 02:59 AM
http://offnews.offroad-bulgaria.com/files/uploads/2012/08/IMG_5858-1024x682.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5873.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5863.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5881.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5865.jpg

http://www.capital.bg/shimg/big_1898735.jpg

Bugarash 1893
10-12-2012, 03:00 AM
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5866.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5883.jpg

http://www.capital.bg/shimg/big_1898602.jpg

http://www.capital.bg/shimg/big_1898745.jpg

http://www.capital.bg/shimg/big_1898741.jpg

Crn Volk
10-12-2012, 04:26 AM
Serdika? I suspect some Antiquisation going on here....

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5866.jpg

ioan assen
10-12-2012, 07:13 AM
Should we hide what is found? Serdika is one of the oldest cities in Europe.

Anusiya
10-12-2012, 11:01 AM
Serdika? I suspect some Antiquisation going on here....

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Makedonia5000/IMG_5866.jpg

Yep. Finding a few Greek columns here and there, clamp them in a glass display, let the money flow! :rolleyes:

Tabiti
10-12-2012, 11:19 AM
I would name it "someone is building or at least trying to build a high reputation for the next elections"...They could even increase salaries with 10 euro's, who knows...

morski
10-12-2012, 12:25 PM
Yep. Finding a few Greek columns here and there, clamp them in a glass display, let the money flow! :rolleyes:

Serdica was a Roman city. It had nothing to do with Greece.:rolleyes:

Anusiya
10-12-2012, 01:49 PM
Serdica was a Roman city. It had nothing to do with Greece.:rolleyes:

Then certainly NOT the oldest ever...

Trun
10-12-2012, 01:52 PM
Plovdiv is the oldest Bulgarian city, Sofia (Serdika) isn't amongst the oldest in Bulgaria for sure.

morski
10-12-2012, 01:56 PM
Then certainly NOT the oldest ever...

No it's not that old. They originally thought there was a Thracian town under the Roman city, but recently, while they were digging for the underground railway system, they reached the deepest strata with human presence and it was the Romans, nothing esle under them.

Trun
10-12-2012, 01:59 PM
What I don't understand is why Sozopol is listed as the oldest Bulgarian town in the textbooks when Plovdiv is in world top 10.

Bugarash 1893
10-14-2012, 10:00 PM
Take a look at this structure

Biggest bridge built on the Danube EVER!

Vidin-Calafat Bridge,EU sponsored project.
It will be ready in november.

http://www.ruse.bg/admin/gallery/241-1.jpg

http://www.danubebridge2.com/images/2012/sept/m/30.09.2012/2.jpg

Albion
10-14-2012, 11:51 PM
Take a look at this structure

Biggest bridge built on the Danube EVER!

Vidin-Calafat Bridge,EU sponsored project.
It will be ready in november.

http://www.ruse.bg/admin/gallery/241-1.jpg

http://www.danubebridge2.com/images/2012/sept/m/30.09.2012/2.jpg

Wow, that's one nice bridge, and such a beautiful landscape too. :thumb001: Our rivers in England are usually quite small, we have no huge rivers like the Danube. :( Just imagine trying to get a pre-modern army across that!

Virtuous
10-14-2012, 11:53 PM
"Bulgaria Building".....A WALL, came to my mind :D.

Me and my Cold War fantasies :rolleyes:.

Bugarash 1893
02-21-2013, 01:42 AM
New 67 buses for Burgas public transport


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97nGtnN0LA

Bugarash 1893
03-04-2013, 09:25 PM
Wastewater treatment plants-EU sponsored

There are about 100 of them being constructed all over Bulgaria.

Some of them:

Stara Zagora

http://stroitelstvo.info/shimg/zx500_1079683.jpg

Svelievo

http://stroitelstvo.info/shimg/zx500_1808785.jpg

Meden Rudnik

http://stroitelstvo.info/shimg/zx500_1808784.jpg

Bugarash 1893
03-27-2013, 07:22 PM
To open in May this year.
Large amount of International traffic is set to go through this bridge-corridor,replacing the role of corridor 10.
Serbia-FYROM-Greece will transfer to Romania-Bulgaria-Greece.

Which means large amounts of cash from customs will go to in the bulgarian budget.:thumb001:

http://danubebridge2.com/images/2013/mart/24.04.2013/6.JPG

http://danubebridge2.com/images/2013/mart/24.04.2013/1.JPG

http://danubebridge2.com/images/2013/mart/24.04.2013/2.JPG

http://danubebridge2.com/images/2013/mart/24.04.2013/3.JPG

http://danubebridge2.com/images/2013/mart/24.04.2013/4.JPG

Bugarash 1893
04-04-2013, 12:30 AM
New railway bridge on Maritsa river - part of the project "Reconstruction and electrification of the railway line Plovdiv - Svilengrad -Turkish/Greek border - corridors IV and IX".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ve_humJkeI

Crn Volk
04-04-2013, 12:36 AM
performing a great role for the eu...

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398180_508053669229448_1029378661_n.jpg

Onur
04-18-2013, 10:08 AM
EU owned tv channel, Euronews report about Bulgaria`s economical condition. It was shocking to learn that 6 people burned themselves to protest economic situation in the country only in the past month. It says that one in 5 families in Bulgaria only earns less than 120 Euros monthly salary;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKZ5zOlDBsA

Bugarash 1893
04-21-2013, 01:12 AM
Onur need some help about your frustrations?
You should be ashamed for being a Turk and living in a primitive dump like Turkey yeh know,and by posting stuff about the lowest social categories in Bulgaria just shows how big of a frustrations you have.
No matter what,the term ''Turk'' is still used on many occasions as an insult in Bulgaria.
You are a backwards,primitive,islamo-astiatic nation-your lost,nobody cant help you with that.
Allah cursed you forever in being what you are.

BTW the lowest salary under law in Bulgaria is 155 EUR.

Just look at you,living and looking like Gypsies.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJA-CDoEAc

Bugarash 1893
04-21-2013, 01:34 AM
I also do realize that there are frustrations in terms of Bulgaria being in the EU,coming from Monkeydonkeys and Turkistanis but we cant all be privileged.

Struma highway,from Sofia till the greek border.
Passing mainly through Pirin Macedonia.
Its construction is financed with EU funds.:thumb001:

http://s15.postimg.org/j600s28rf/Ribnik_g04.jpg

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Lemon Kush
04-21-2013, 01:55 AM
Dude do you really think borrowing money from EU funds (which itself doesn't have) is going to help Bulgaria? It'll just put us further in debt to the big EU monopoly countries like Germany. Also suppose your dream of Macedonia falling apart comes true. The Macedonians aren't going to want to assimilate in Bulgaria, they've already built a strong identity. Tell me once in history where forceful assimilations have worked? NEVER! Not to mention we will then be sharing a border with Albania which will give them easier access to pass their human and drug trafficking through Bulgaria. Thank god I don't live near that border.

Bugarash 1893
04-21-2013, 04:19 AM
Dude do you really think borrowing money from EU funds (which itself doesn't have) is going to help Bulgaria? It'll just put us further in debt to the big EU monopoly countries like Germany. Also suppose your dream of Macedonia falling apart comes true. The Macedonians aren't going to want to assimilate in Bulgaria, they've already built a strong identity. Tell me once in history where forceful assimilations have worked? NEVER! Not to mention we will then be sharing a border with Albania which will give them easier access to pass their human and drug trafficking through Bulgaria. Thank god I don't live near that border.

Thats not credit money but free funds.:thumb001:
And whos talking about forceful reassimilation of the Macedonians?
The Serbs during the 50 years of communism didnt have any assimilation methods towards the Macedonians and still the Macedonians accepted so many national marks from the Serbs...

If Macedonians lived in a single state with the Bulgarians,reassimilation would happen as a natural process.
We have same names,surnames,history,language,alphabet,religion, mentality...in those circumstances it would be impossible for them not to be reassimilated.

Crn Volk
04-22-2013, 12:59 AM
Thats not credit money but free funds.:thumb001:
And whos talking about forceful reassimilation of the Macedonians?
The Serbs during the 50 years of communism didnt have any assimilation methods towards the Macedonians and still the Macedonians accepted so many national marks from the Serbs...

If Macedonians lived in a single state with the Bulgarians,reassimilation would happen as a natural process.
We have same names,surnames,history,language,alphabet,religion, mentality...in those circumstances it would be impossible for them not to be reassimilated.

The Serbs tried to assimilate us from 1918-1941 and failed. From 1945 onwards the Macedonians had their own republic in Yugoslavia and were not ruled by Serbs.

Bugarash 1893
04-22-2013, 02:13 AM
The Serbs tried to assimilate us from 1918-1941 and failed. From 1945 onwards the Macedonians had their own republic in Yugoslavia and were not ruled by Serbs.

They failed because the VMRO was there,the influx of komitadjis was so big that Yugoslavia at one period had to shut its borders with Bulgaria.The national felling of the population was kept alive that way.

When the Iron Curtain happened.
When VMRO and all the Macedonian organizations in Bulgaria were banned.
When the entire intellectual elite in Macedonia was killed or shut down.
Thats when the uneducated part of the population that was left gave in to the propaganda-packed into a new package-Macedonism.

Laster you had your own republic but you were inferior to the Serbs,so the strong cultural wave coming from Serbia left a big national mark on you.
Going from personal names-Branko,Slobodan,Radmila...to holiday celebrations like Old New Year.

Crn Volk
04-22-2013, 04:30 AM
They failed because the VMRO was there,the influx of komitadjis was so big that Yugoslavia at one period had to shut its borders with Bulgaria.The national felling of the population was kept alive that way.


Influx? My grandmothers brother was in the interwar VMRO. I have photo's of him that my grandmother kept. He did not arrive from anywhere, he was a local from Bitolsko.

Bugarash 1893
04-22-2013, 03:41 PM
Influx? My grandmothers brother was in the interwar VMRO. I have photo's of him that my grandmother kept. He did not arrive from anywhere, he was a local from Bitolsko.

You think the VMRO could survive without the Bulgarian state and the Macedonian immigration in Bulgaria?

-Killed by the Serbian Gendarmerie near the border crossing at Carevo Selo-todays Delchevo.

Doncho Hristov

http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%BE_%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%B8% D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2

Dimitar Palikrushev

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Angel Simeonov

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Stoyan Georgiev

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Vasil Nikolov

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Personal belongings-Bulgarian documents and Bulgarian money

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Bugarash 1893
07-16-2013, 06:11 AM
This bridge alone costs about the same amount as the entire Skopje 2014 project till now...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2YZfbSaOQ4