Mosque invasion in Macedonia

[Bugarash]

I opened this thread because the mosque expansion exploded

here is one of the examples that I noticed recently in Kicevo
for you who have been going to Ohrid,have probably seen this mosque alongside the road

I remember it since it was just rough construction,it is much more imposing when you see it in person

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8390/kk12215.jpg


And meanwhile,another one is finishing construction

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii583/makkeal/57937932.jpg

[Flintlocke]

I though someone invaded a mosque...

[Bugarash]

Near Bigorski Monastery

Rostusha village

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/Makedonij/Crkvi/5-8.jpg

[Bugarash]

Reconstructed mosques in Skopje's old bazar part

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/mitatos/Hatunxhik-xhami.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/%D0%8F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D0%90%D1%80% D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%BA% D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5_4.jpg/800px-%D0%8F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D0%90%D1%80% D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%BA% D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%98%D0%B5_4.jpg

[RagnarLodbrok666]

You shouldn't put up with towelhead invasion of your land.

[Bugarash]

Gazi Baba municipality-Skopje
Cento neighbourhood

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/Makedonij/Dzamiji/-2-4.jpg


This one is in Butel municipality-Skopje

U/C

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/Makedonij/Dzamiji/1987d942.jpg


Finished

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/Makedonij/Dzamiji/2.jpg

[Methmatician]

When a quarter of the population is Muslim, these are the types of building you'd expect to see.

[Vojnik]

Yep, the Albanianization and Islamization of Macedonia Is quickly picking up speed. I wonder what our forefathers would of thought of this. :(

[Vojnik]

When a quarter of the population is Muslim, these are the types of building you'd expect to see.

Yes, but when we the majority want to build a single church, there are riots on the streets.

[iNird]

Ill find the statistics later but I think mosques make up a quarter or so of the religious builidings.

[iNird]

Yes, but when we the majority want to build a single church, there are riots on the streets.

Yes when you use public funds to build a church or .when you build them on castles

Also you should post the new crosses that have been built on the mountain tops around the country .....

[Hurrem sultana]

There a muslims so you expect to see mosques too,Macedonia is around 30% muslom

[Vojnik]

Ill find the statistics later but I think mosques make up a quarter or so of the religious builidings.

That's probably because there is hundreds and hundreds of one thousound year old plus Churches and Monasteries in Macedonia. There is over 300 in Ohrid alone. So if Mosques make up 1/4 of the religious buildings then that is alot.

[Hurrem sultana]

That's probably because there is hundreds and hundreds of one thousound year old plus Churches and Monasteries in Macedonia. There is over 300 in Ohrid alone. So if Mosques make up 1/4 of the religious buildings then that is alot.

Not if muslims are such a big number

[Vojnik]

Yes when you use public funds to build a church or .when you build them on castles

Also you should post the new crosses that have been built on the mountain tops around the country .....

We can build it where we want. And don't worry, public funds would go towards Albanian causes as well.

Which new crosses? The one in Skopje has been there I think since 2000, and where ever there is a cross on a mountain, underneath lays a majority Macedonian Orthodox population anyway. Now if you put a cross on a mountain top in Tetovo, it would be a completely different story.

[iNird]

That's probably because there is hundreds and hundreds of one thousound year old plus Churches and Monasteries in Macedonia. There is over 300 in Ohrid alone. So if Mosques make up 1/4 of the religious buildings then that is alot.

I do think their are too many mosques, but relatively speaking there isn't that much compared to the total number of religious buildings in general.

Like I said there are crosses popping up...its just a way for both sides to marl their territory I suppose.

[Vojnik]

Not if muslims are such a big number

The amount of new mosques built are just unnecessary for the population.

[iNird]

We can build it where we want. And don't worry, public funds would go towards Albanian causes as well.

Which new crosses? The one in Skopje has been there I think since 2000, and where ever there is a cross on a mountain, underneath lays a majority Macedonian Orthodox population anyway. Now if you put a cross on a mountain top in Tetovo, it would be a completely different story.

Well albanians can do the same then? Build them where they want as lomg as it doesnt violate zoning laws.

There's a cross in kicevo for example and public funds should not be used for religious institutions. There should be a seperation between the state and religion.

[Kazimiera]

I wonder what would happen if someone decided to build a Catholic cathedral in Saudi Arabia?

[iNird]

I wonder what would happen if someone decided to build a Catholic cathedral in Saudi Arabia?

Flawed comparison. What does Saudi Arabia have to do with the topic on hand?

The topic on hand deals with local Muslims building mosques.

[Grizzly]

Yep, the Albanianization and Islamization of Macedonia Is quickly picking up speed. I wonder what our forefathers would of thought of this. :(

Which ones? The Ancient Macedon ancestors(Islam didn't exist), the 1992 independence leaders or your ancient Bulgar ancestors? :D

As for the Mosque building the state openly encourages it.. Macedonians build a church then the Albanians build a mosque, it's so stupid and degrading. The money used for building those Mosques in Kicevo should be used to rebuild the roads in that city because those roads are utter shit.

BTW, I don't think all these religious buildings are from state money and I actually think a good amount of them are from private funds.

[Grizzly]

I wonder what would happen if someone decided to build a Catholic cathedral in Saudi Arabia?

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/confused/grand/confused-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-329.gif

[Vojnik]

Which ones? The Ancient Macedon ancestors(Islam didn't exist), the 1992 independence leaders or your ancient Bulgar ancestors? :D

Haha, Albo made a funny. I was actually referring to the 19th century Macedonian revolutionaries who fought against the Ottoman Muslim oppression.


As for the Mosque building the state openly encourages it.. Macedonians build a church then the Albanians build a mosque, it's so stupid and degrading. The money used for building those Mosques in Kicevo should be used to rebuild the roads in that city because those roads are utter shit.


I agree.


BTW, I don't think all these religious buildings are from state money and I actually think a good amount of them are from private funds.

Agreed.

[Gospodine]

Two points:

1. Macedonia's had Muslims in it for 500 years or so. If this were England, I could understand your belligerence, but there have been Muslims in Macedonia since time immemorial for all intents and purposes... to paint this as some sort of new, "alien" phenomenon is a bit of a stretch.

2. A lot of these Mosques pop up due to Arab financing not due to local pressure or demands; same goes for the ones in Bosnia.

Cynical Wahhabist or fundamentalist states (typically Saudi Arabia but also Pakistan and Iran) often invest money into poorer Islamic countries or countries with significant Muslim minorities on the condition that they're allowed to build Wahhabist mosques or renovate existing ones, as well as disseminate extremist crap through cultural centres, education programs, exchange programs, etc.

It's usually younger people from rural and lower-income backgrounds that gravitate towards that extremist bullshit, hence why you see some of these imposing mosques springing up in the country-side rather than in urban areas.

I don't know what the situation is like in Macedonia, but in Bosnia it is starting to make it's ugly presence felt:
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/12/29/bosnias_muslims_divided_over_inroads_of_wahhabism/
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=41577

[Onur]

2. A lot of these Mosques pop up due to Arab financing not due to local pressure or demands; same goes for the ones in Bosnia.

Cynical Wahhabist or fundamentalist states (typically Saudi Arabia but also Pakistan and Iran) often invest money into poorer Islamic countries or countries with significant Muslim minorities on the condition that they're allowed to build Wahhabist mosques or renovate existing ones, as well as disseminate extremist crap through cultural centres, education programs, exchange programs, etc.
Gospodine, you are right about the external powers interference to this issue but you are mixing things up probably because of your lack of information about islam.

Iran have nothing to do with this because they are Shiite, so different from Saudi Wahabbis. The one and only powerhouse behind this issue are Wahabbis, mainly coming from Arabian gulf states like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Dubai etc. This is the oil money spending under the supervision of international oil cartels.

[Bugarash]

Haha, Albo made a funny. I was actually referring to the 19th century Macedonian revolutionaries who fought against the Ottoman Muslim oppression.


Real opression of the bulgarism in Macedonia came when the region came under Greece and Serbia.

Dont know why we have to reffer to the muslim turks for everything.

Let us not forget who closed the bulgarian schools,converted and destroyed the bulgarian churches,killed and kicked out the bulgarian priests.

The real problem of Macedonia is serboslavnian propaganda and after that the current islamization which has less to do with religion and more with pan-albanism.

[Bugarash]

Bulgarian church Saint Stephan in Istanbul-who's construction was financed by macedonian bulgarians

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss353/KarahunovAerodrom/3994474894_c8b8934733_o.jpg

the church is still bulgarian,in the hands of the bulgarian orthodox church!
Now show me a single bulgarian church still existing in northern Greece from the thousands of exarchate churches that were there before 1913!

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3318/3476096135_340461f593_z.jpg

[Bugarash]

And the macedonian bulgarians who donated money for this church arent just anyone but they are from the village of Zagoricani-famous for the massacre of bulgarians by greek andart bands

read,from the inside of the church:

http://media.snimka.bg/2284/010823312-big.jpg?r=0

http://www.bgphoto.net/photos/33160/o633752127760973750.jpg

http://media.snimka.bg/2631/011516678-big.jpg?r=0

[Onur]

Now show me a single bulgarian church still existing in northern Greece from the thousands of exarchate churches that were there before 1913!
Not only Bulgarian, there was Vlach churches in Aegean Macedonia too. The Vlach church gained autonomy in Macedonia in 1890s.

All are gone after 1913 along with the 1000s of Turkish mosques from 15-16th century.

[Flintlocke]

I'm happy that Christianity has lost its power however unfortunately it wasn't because of an atavistic resurgence but because of a general trend of degeneration. People thought that with the fall of Christianity there would be a resurgence of science and civilization, but the real world don't work that way. What happened is that we lost our grit and unfortunately Muslimanism still has teeth and vitality, they're pushing for shoulder space and this is a problem we'll have to deal with. Muslimans have a strength and pride we have lost, they consider themselves the best in the world and the rest are merely lowly infidel dogs. When we see the world and what we have achieved compared to their nothingness we will see that we are the truly superior and start acting as masters not equals, and do whatever needs to be done to them to send them back to their place in the food chain. If you think I mean something "bad" actually I mean something much worse than you imagine. And it needs to be done otherwise we're all gone.

[Bugarash]

Btw I think even those saudi nutcases cant compare with the greeks on the matter of construction of new mosques or churches in this case

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Makedonomahos-aksiupoli.jpg/450px-Makedonomahos-aksiupoli.jpg

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[Bugarash]

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[Bugarash]

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[Bugarash]

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http://www.imth.gr/Images/Medium/Parishes/agiaanastasia3.jpg

[Onur]

Btw I think even those saudi nutcases cant compare with the greeks on the matter of construction of new mosques or churches in this case
Because these are brainwashing centers. More the better and effects faster.

I always find Saudis and Greeks are similar in case of religious matters. Both countries are also the only places in the world where building a church or mosque on the latter are forbidden. They only allow one religion to operate in their countries. They are absolutist and fully corrupt. Saudi clerics abuses children and they are corrupted with oil money. Greek priests abuses children too and their priests in mount Athos also corrupt, involving bribery and illegal businesses.

[iNird]

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=A080C78F46FF724BB7AA82A63C63251E

In Macedonia 1,842 churches and 580 mosques.

Meaning Mosques make up under 24% of the religious buildings. Considering over 30% of the population identifies as "Muslim", well I wouldn't call this much of an "invasion."

:coffee:

Still the OP does have a point there has a been a recent trend of new mosques.....

edit:

Here's the cross in Kicevo

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=152708008135180

It can only be seen by Albanian dominated neighborhoods.

Personally I don't think it's a big deal......

[Vojnik]

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/?ItemID=A080C78F46FF724BB7AA82A63C63251E

In Macedonia 1,842 churches and 580 mosques.

Meaning Mosques make up under 24% of the religious buildings. Considering over 30% of the population identifies as "Muslim", well I wouldn't call this much of an "invasion."

:coffee:

Still the OP does have a point there has a been a recent trend of new mosques.....

What has the percentage of Muslims in Macedonia got to do with the percentage of Mosques and Churches? 580 Mosques are more then enough.

Don't forget, the "1,842 churches" figure would consist also with Catholic and Methodist churches. There are seven Catholic churches along with Protestant and some Serbian Orthodox Churches.

Any way, people who are of the Macedonian Orthodox Church make up 64.2% and the total number of Macedonian Orthodox Churches are 1,200.

[iNird]

What has the percentage of Muslims in Macedonia got to do with the percentage of Mosques and Churches? 580 Mosques are more then enough.

Don't forget, the "1,842 churches" figure would consist also with Catholic and Methodist churches. There are seven Catholic churches along with Protestant and some Serbian Orthodox Churches.

Any way, people who are of the Macedonian Orthodox Church make up 64.2% and the total number of Macedonian Orthodox Churches are 1,200.

Well you would think the % of believers would go hand in hand with the % of religious institutions. Personally I think 580 Mosques are too much as well, but for other reasons. You see it as a a threat, I see them as useless.

:)

Point being, titles with the word "invading" or terms like "Islamization" are a bit of a hyperbole. But I'll leave you nutcases alone. You people are amused by images but don't like when facts are presented.

[Vojnik]

It can only be seen by Albanian dominated neighborhoods.

Personally I don't think it's a big deal......

I just saw that Kicevo is majority Macedonian with 55.5% and Albanians are 28.2%, I didn't know that. I don't believe that it can only be seen by Albanian areas, I think that's just a exaggeration. If it's on a mountain, everyone in the city would be able to see it.

[iNird]

I just saw that Kicevo is majority Macedonian with 55.5% and Albanians are 28.2%, I didn't know that. I don't believe that it can only be seen by Albanian areas, I think that's just a exaggeration. If it's on a mountain, everyone in the city would be able to see it.

Well when I say Kicevo, I mean the surrounding area (probably in the Zajaz municipality), not the Kicevo municipality what you are referring to (Kicevo municipality refers to the city.) The cross is on the mountains that can be seen from the Kicevo to Gostivar road.

But I guess if I was a typical Balkan ignoramus, I would say:

"Ooogooo BOoogaaaaa how dare they put up a cross in our area. These Slavic Scums oooogaaaaa Booogaaaaa"

[Vojnik]

Well you would think the % of believers would go hand in hand with the % of religious institutions. Personally I think 580 Mosques are too much as well, but for other reasons. You see it as a a threat, I see them as useless.

:)

Point being, titles with the word "invading" or terms like "Islamization" are a bit of a hyperbole. But I'll leave you nutcases alone. You people are amused by images but don't like when facts are presented.

So what are you saying, 33% of religious buildings should be Mosques because 33% is the percentage of Muslims in the country? that sounds silly.

[dralos]

vojnik you have to visit macedonia,dont become a full aussie:D

[Crn Volk]

vojnik you have to visit macedonia,dont become a full aussie:D

and don't become a full belgjika

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S6tQ5jZ-M0I/T4mZnjN3GYI/AAAAAAAAAHk/MX2SHOjeeBo/s1600/Belgian+Chocolate.jpg

[Vojnik]

vojnik you have to visit macedonia,dont become a full aussie:D

I come from a land down under. :D

http://i49.tinypic.com/2pzmt6t.jpg

Holy shit. :(

[iNird]

So what are you saying, 33% of religious buildings should be Mosques because 33% is the percentage of Muslims in the country? that sounds silly.

In the perfect world, the amount of religious buildings would correspond to the amount of believers not necessarily religious demographics. The problem with many of these Mosques is they are empty most times of the year besides a few holidays....

What I am saying is with terms being flung around like "invading" "islamization" and so forth, you would assume that mosques would have a much higher % out of total religious buildings. Get it?!?!

[iNird]

vojnik you have to visit macedonia,dont become a full aussie:D

It's not his fault, Americans, Canadians, Australians.....same shit. We will all be assimilated WASPS in a generation or two.

:D

[Drawing-slim]

Yep, the Albanianization and Islamization of Macedonia Is quickly picking up speed. I wonder what our forefathers would of thought of this. :(Your forfathers in Mongloia would suggest gou keep you mouth shut while living in a foreign land.

[Coolguy1]

Lol the same thing that happened to Kosovo is now happening to Vardarska. If you take a look, 98% of the villages that albos inhabit in Vardarska have slavic names. The albos were invited to those areas field workers. Has anyone else noticed that they only live in the flat fertile areas??? (Tetovo, Struga, Kumanovo, etc etc

[Crn Volk]

Lol the same thing that happened to Kosovo is now happening to Vardarska. If you take a look, 98% of the villages that albos inhabit in Vardarska have slavic names. The albos were invited to those areas field workers. Has anyone else noticed that they only live in the flat fertile areas??? (Tetovo, Struga, Kumanovo, etc etc

and in grease?

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/793/lord20byron20with20arvacr8.jpg

[Coolguy1]

and in grease?

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/793/lord20byron20with20arvacr8.jpg

I hope you realize tht was made by an albanian, the arvanites fought along with the Greeks an they considered themselves as Greeks. Oh well, sucks for you that your country is being taken over by albos, not my problem

[iNird]

Lol the same thing that happened to Kosovo is now happening to Vardarska. If you take a look, 98% of the villages that albos inhabit in Vardarska have slavic names. The albos were invited to those areas field workers. Has anyone else noticed that they only live in the flat fertile areas??? (Tetovo, Struga, Kumanovo, etc etc

The topynoms are the result of the Bulgarian Empire.

Albanians should have renamed the topynoms like the Greeks have.....

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b462/Makedonij/Dzamiji/2.jpg

lol, what the heck, this is huge and crazy, it's like a rocket

[Crn Volk]

I hope you realize tht was made by an albanian, the arvanites fought along with the Greeks an they considered themselves as Greeks. Oh well, sucks for you that your country is being taken over by albos, not my problem

but yours already has been taken over...arvanites, vlachs, turks, slavic macedonians....

[Crn Volk]

The topynoms are the result of the Bulgarian Empire.

Albanians should have renamed the topynoms like the Greeks have.....

renamed to what...many of those places were founded by slavic tribes. there was nothing there before that....

[Drawing-slim]

renamed to what...many of those places were founded by slavic tribes. there was nothing there before that....Even as a joke this is insulting.
So there was nothing there:thumb001:

[Coolguy1]

The topynoms are the result of the Bulgarian Empire.

Albanians should have renamed the topynoms like the Greeks have.....

Biggest bullshit ive ever heard. Maybe the slavic toponyms in albania are from the bulgarian empire, but it is a fact that slavs lived there before the albanians came, every ethnographer says it. There are noooo albanian toponyms in tetovo or any part of vardarska

[Crn Volk]

Even as a joke this is insulting.
So there was nothing there:thumb001:

certainly no albanians, that's for sure...

[Drawing-slim]

certainly no albanians, that's for sure..."thats for sure" sounds very strong evidence coming from a mocedonian:D

[Crn Volk]

"thats for sure" sounds very strong evidence coming from a mocedonian:D

can you show me any albanian inscriptions, or written words in Macedonia prior to the 6th century AD?

[Drawing-slim]

can you show me any albanian inscriptions, or written words in Macedonia prior to the 6th century AD?Jirececk the father of bulgairan history concludes that once upon a time even where bulgaria proper is today, were living albanian/illryian speaking people, let alone the nonsense you saying we appeared yesterday in macedonia.
(And quit abusing the negrep)

[Crn Volk]

Jirececk the father of bulgairan history concludes that once upon a time even where bulgaria proper is today, were living albanian/illryian speaking people, let alone the nonsense you saying we appeared yesterday in macedonia.
(And quit abusing the negrep)

negrep? didn't know there was such a thing....now to learn how to use it. thanks...

still no evidence on albanian inscriptions...:coffee:

[Drawing-slim]

negrep? didn't know there was such a thing....now to learn how to use it. thanks...

still no evidence on albanian inscriptions...:coffee:

Sorry was vojnik abusing negreps on me.

What you asking doesnt change the fact that we being in the balkans and covered the whole region for thousands of years.

When i go to my house everynight, i dont write on the wall: drwaimg live lives here.

Only intruder slavs feel the need to claim such things.
Nonsense, its lame.

[Vojnik]

Drawing-live, I used the Neg-rep against you. I do not use it much at all, only to those that post insults as you did.

[Crn Volk]

Sorry was vojnik abusing negreps on me.

What you asking doesnt change the fact that we being in the balkans and covered the whole region for thousands of years.

When i go to my house everynight, i dont write on the wall: drwaimg live lives here.

Only intruder slavs feel the need to claim such things.
Nonsense, its lame.

http://www.ragetrolling.com/var/albums/Cool%20Story%20Bro.jpg?m=1320018084

[Vojnik]

Sorry was vojnik abusing negreps on me.

What you asking doesnt change the fact that we being in the balkans and covered the whole region for thousands of years.

When i go to my house everynight, i dont write on the wall: drwaimg live lives here.
Nonsense, its lame.

I think he meant that their is no historical evidence of any such people from the 6th century (or long after) called 'Albanians'. Nor is their any such evidence of 'Albanian' inscription in Macedonia.

DL, where is this evidence of 'Albanians' covering the whole Balkans for thousounds of years? How long have yous actually been living on the territory of Macedonia to actually claim yous are indigenous and that us Macedonians are recent invaders?

[Drawing-slim]

Guys please! do we've to go through this again?
Of course there's no mention of the name "albanians"
But since you posted obama, lets rake another example:D
Puff dady use to be called puff daddy, now is p. Diddy, and i think he goes by another name now
Does it change the fact that the same guy is still him?

[Crn Volk]

Guys please! do we've to go through this again?
Of course there's no mention of the name "albanians"
But since you posted obama, lets rake another example:D
Puff dady use to be called puff daddy, now is p. Diddy, and i think he goes by another name now
Does it change the fact that the same guy is still him?

Now i'm confused. P Diddy is albanian??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--ciwVR1shk0/T9jYzf66QDI/AAAAAAAABYg/LvVB_uRnqTA/s1600/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

:p:p:p

[Drawing-slim]

Now i'm confused. P Diddy is albanian??

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--ciwVR1shk0/T9jYzf66QDI/AAAAAAAABYg/LvVB_uRnqTA/s1600/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

:p:p:pLoool, i swear i deleted the last sentence of my post, warning about the very this reaction.
God is my witness:D

[Drawing-slim]

Its a very simple solution to all this, if you slav macedonians and serbs would only listen.

It doesnt take a genius to understand your simple games, you dont haveto be a historian scientist etc

No albanian is calling for you and serbs to dissapear from the balkans
On the other hand, a theive is always poiting fingers at others to distract the atention from himself.
Thats why only serbs and macedonians keep printing rubish that and buidling statues, bevause they feel uncomfortable in their skin.

I suggest you people relax, eccept the truth as visitors to our land, praise anything albanian, and the world would actually start taking you a little more serious, as a kid that is actually growing.

[Crn Volk]

Its a very simple solution to all this, if you slav macedonians and serbs would only listen.

It doesnt take a genius to understand your simple games, you dont haveto be a historian scientist etc

No albanian is calling for you and serbs to dissapear from the balkans
On the other hand, a theive is always poiting fingers at others to distract the atention from himself.
Thats why only serbs and macedonians keep printing rubish that and buidling statues, bevause they feel uncomfortable in their skin.

I suggest you people relax, eccept the truth as visitors to our land, praise anything albanian, and the world would actually start taking you a little more serious, as a kid that is actually growing.

another cool story brah...

i think you guys need to relax. you have won over western support for now...enjoy your moment in the sun...shit happens and things change...it won't be so nice for you when they do...:thumb001:

[Bugarash]

and in grease?

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/793/lord20byron20with20arvacr8.jpg

Arvanites are fully assimilated by the greeks,and are some kind of janissaries now,they hate albanians more than real greeks do...

[Drawing-slim]

another cool story brah...

i think you guys need to relax. you have won over western support for now...enjoy your moment in the sun...shit happens and things change...it won't be so nice for you when they do...:thumb001: this seriously is an evil talk, that portays an evil spirit. This represents you guys and everything i pointed out about you and serbs.
This is where the problem is and why the balkans is and will remain a fucked up place.

How did we win over the western support!?
For you and serbs to say this, is like a nigger (and i swear i'm not trying to insult you personally) compplaining about a police officer that cought him robbing raping and setting houses on fire etc, and he only told him to go way without jail time
And now this comfortable criminal thats used to doing this, now is upset and feels has been done wrong.
You people are a curse to have next door

[Flintlocke]

Once again you've gone totally off topic and are barking to eachother like dogs about small time bullshit.

[Drawing-slim]

Once again you've gone totally off topic and are barking to eachother like dogs about small time bullshit.Its only a small time bullshit in the sense that they dont see the reality
Its a serious problem having this mindset like they do.

Off topic maybe

[poiuytrewq0987]

If Albanians want to build mosques, no problem, they are part of Macedonian cultural heritage. :thumbs

[Gospodine]

Gospodine, you are right about the external powers interference to this issue but you are mixing things up probably because of your lack of information about islam.

Iran have nothing to do with this because they are Shiite, so different from Saudi Wahabbis. The one and only powerhouse behind this issue are Wahabbis, mainly coming from Arabian gulf states like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Dubai etc. This is the oil money spending under the supervision of international oil cartels.

Onur, read more carefully next time thanks.



Cynical Wahhabist or fundamentalist states

Wahabbist or Fundamentalist.

Iran is obviously not a Wahabbist state but it is certainly a Fundamentalist state that has its tentacles spread across the Islamic world and not just in Shi'ite nations.

Heck there's an Iranian "Cultural Centre" smack bang in the middle of Sarajevo on Ferhadija street:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3100/2561647519_9d93028b58_z.jpg?zz=1

Iranian Quds Forces (para-military special forces) came to Bosnia during the war, with the small influx of other "Mujahideen" volunteers to smuggle arms and provide logistical support; naturally they felt compelled to establish a covert presence which to this day persists.

They covertly funded Izetbegovic and his party:
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/01/world/iran-contributed-500000-to-bosnian-president-s-election-effort-us-says.html

More on Iranian arms smuggling in Bosnia:
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-04-23/news/mn-61733_1_iran-air
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_hr/eur50031.htm

Saudi Arabia and Iran both need to get their noses out of Bosnia, period.