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Treffie
06-20-2009, 06:47 AM
.....watchdog claims.

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Police are making unjustified and 'almost certainly' illegal searches of white people to provide 'racial balance' to Government figures.

Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror laws, said he knew of cases where suspects were stopped by officers even though there was no evidence against them.

He warned that police were wasting time and money by carrying out these 'self-evidently unmerited searches' which were an invasion of civil liberties and 'almost certainly unlawful'.

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Police are carrying out 'self-evidently unmerited searches, according to Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terror laws (file picture)

The searches of, for example, 'blonde women' who fit no terrorist profile come against a backdrop of complaints from rights groups that the number of black and Muslim people being stopped by police is disproportionate.

Lord Carlile suggests whites are being needlessly stopped in order to balance the books.

Last year, the number of whites searched under anti-terror laws rocketed by 185 per cent, from 25,962 to 73,967.

Whites made up around two-thirds of all those stopped, although, compared to the overall population, blacks and Asians remain far more likely to be stopped and searched.

Lord Carlile, a Liberal Democrat peer and QC, condemned the wrongful use of Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 in his annual report on anti-terror laws.
Lord Carlile

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Lord Carlile says police should stop trying to racially balance figures on stop and searches

He said police were carrying out the searches on people they had no basis for suspecting so they could avoid accusations of prejudice.

Lord Carlile wrote: 'I have evidence of cases where the person stopped is so obviously far from any known terrorism profile that, realistically, there is not the slightest possibility of him/her being a terrorist, and no other feature to justify the stop.

'In one situation the basis of the stops was numerical only, which is almost certainly unlawful and in no way an intelligent use of the procedure.

'I believe it is totally wrong for any person to be stopped in order to produce a racial balance in the Section 44 statistics. There is ample anecdotal evidence this is happening.

'I can well understand the concerns of the police that they should be free from allegations of prejudice, but it is not a good use of precious resources if they waste them on self-evidently unmerited searches.

'It is also an invasion of the civil liberties of the person who has been stopped, simply to 'balance' the statistics.

'The criteria for section 44 stops should be objectively based, irrespective of racial considerations: if an objective basis happens to produce an ethnic imbalance, that may have to be regarded as a proportional consequence of operational policing.'

Lord Carlile later said the number of Section 44 searches could be cut by half in London without damaging national security.

He added: 'If, for example, 50 blonde women are stopped who fall nowhere near any intelligence-led terrorism profile, it's a gross invasion of the civil liberties of those 50 blonde women.

'The police are perfectly entitled to stop people who fall within a terrorism profile even if it creates a racial imbalance as long as it is not racist."

Officers in England and Wales used the powers to search 124,687 people in 2007/8, up from 41,924 in 2006/7 and only 1 per cent of searches led to an arrest.

Nearly 90 per cent of the searches were carried out by the Metropolitan Police which recorded a 266 per cent increase in its use of the power.

Lord Carlile said he could see no reason for the whole of Greater London to be permanently designated an area where the power could operate.

He added: 'I repeat my mantra that terrorism related powers should be used only for terrorism related purposes; otherwise their credibility is severely damaged. The damage to community relations if they are used incorrectly can be considerable.'

Shadow Security Minister Baroness Neville-Jones said: 'It is a hallmark of this Government that powers available under terrorism legislation are used for reasons entirely unrelated to those for which they were put on the statute book.

'Inappropriate use of stop and search power is the surest way to lose public support and damage community relations. Lord Carlile rightly condemns this.

'The Government needs to make absolutely sure that anti-terrorism powers are used proportionately and only for terror-related purposes.'

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: 'We must row back from random and excessive use of stop and search and reach out to the communities we most rely on for intelligence in the fight against terrorism.'

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said the Metropolitan Police had already begun to review how Section 44 was used across the whole of the capital, including a pilot of its more restricted use.

Today's report also warns of the continuing terrorist threat to the UK.

Lord Carlile says there is evidence of ‘small, dissent active and dangerous’ paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland.

The Peer also remains pessimistic about ‘the future of international terrorism as promulgated by violent Islamist jihad’.

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Electronic God-Man
06-20-2009, 07:01 AM
If this is true it is not solving anything. It's just making the "symptoms" of illegal stop-and-searches appear better, more balanced on the books. It does absolutely nothing to the causes of illegal stop-and-searches in real life. That should be apparent.

Angantyr
06-20-2009, 02:00 PM
I am sure such events are true.

A few years ago, my older sister was stopped and searched (including forcing her to remove her shoes) while boarding a flight from Canada to Florida. My sister has bright red hair. She was with her four young children and our mother. She had made the trip to Florida for the winter holidays for the past 15 years. She was not a Mohammedan nutjob in a hijab. She was the least likely suspect for terror. But, in order to avoid accusations of racism and racial profiling, she was randomly singled out.

Vulpix
06-20-2009, 09:36 PM
I am sure such events are true.

A few years ago, my older sister was stopped and searched (including forcing her to remove her shoes) while boarding a flight from Canada to Florida. My sister has bright red hair. She was with her four young children and our mother. She had made the trip to Florida for the winter holidays for the past 15 years. She was not a Mohammedan nutjob in a hijab. She was the least likely suspect for terror. But, innorder to avoid accusations of racism and racial profiling, she was randomly singled out.

I'm as far apart from the terrorist stereotype as you can be yet I still get stopped and searched at airports :rolleyes2:.

Kempenzoon
06-20-2009, 11:02 PM
I'm as far apart from the terrorist stereotype as you can be yet I still get stopped and searched at airports :rolleyes2:.

A Foxilicious swede? I'd search you too :thumb001:

What's actually surprising is that I never get searched at airports.

If you see me ... I look a bit like a mix between an extra from the Matrix, a Hell's Angel, and a skinhead ... with a long beard. You'd think I look suspicious in their eyes. And since I'm pretty much never searched other than a quick metal detector wand wave, I figure I could easily hide a dozen ceramic knives in my combat boots, my cargo pants and my leather trenchcoat ... and noone would find out until it's too late.

I've actually gotten onto a plane carrying a knife before (a metal one even), but that was by accident, I forgot I was carrying it on me. (and that was only months after 09/11. Talk about 'increased security')

Útrám
06-20-2009, 11:36 PM
I bet they had to white knuckle these searches. Seriously, I knew England was fundamentally corrupt, but going so far as to manipulating crime statistics, that's commitment. What's next, will they plant guns on people to even out the figures?

Angantyr
06-21-2009, 05:26 AM
What's actually surprising is that I never get searched at airports.

If you see me ... I look a bit like a mix between an extra from the Matrix, a Hell's Angel, and a skinhead ... with a long beard. You'd think I look suspicious in their eyes. And since I'm pretty much never searched other than a quick metal detector wand wave, I figure I could easily hide a dozen ceramic knives in my combat boots, my cargo pants and my leather trenchcoat ... and noone would find out until it's too late.

I've actually gotten onto a plane carrying a knife before (a metal one even), but that was by accident, I forgot I was carrying it on me. (and that was only months after 09/11. Talk about 'increased security')

I am as clean cut as they get...short hair, clean shaven, boy next door type. On the way home from the Ukraine, they made me throw out my toothpaste. Don't they know that Mohammedans have no oral hygiene and would not know a toothbrush from a hole in the ground?