What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

[Shtrun]

Z140 Seems to be Germanic, non-Bothnian subclade of I1. Are you from Varangian nobility?

My roots from the Ryazan Meshchera. Therefore my ancestors most likely Goths Ermanaric which grasped Meshchera.

[PinkGalaxy]

R1b

[Pallantides]

My roots from the Ryazan Meshchera. Therefore my ancestors most likely Goths Ermanaric which grasped Meshchera.

We are 5th cousins on 23andMe.

[ALL]

R1b12a breakdown>

M207-R>M173-R1>M343-R1b>P25-R1b1>L389>P297-R1b1a>
M-269-R1b1a2(European R1b is dominated by R-M269.)>
L-23 R1b1a2a>Z-2105*(L277-,L584-)

Hopefully Gen 2.0 will have some new snps.

[Shtrun]

We are 5th cousins on 23andMe.

Perhaps this is a false match. Norway is too far away from my homeland.

[Corvus]

R1a-M458

[Geni]

R1b12a breakdown>

M207-R>M173-R1>M343-R1b>P25-R1b1>L389>P297-R1b1a>
M-269-R1b1a2(European R1b is dominated by R-M269.)>
L-23 R1b1a2a>Z-2105*(L277-,L584-)

Hopefully Gen 2.0 will have some new snps.

I am r1b1a2a1 Z2105+:),

[Nurzat]

J2a4h*

i.e. j2w :D

[Lonedweller]

I2b1

[Pallantides]

Perhaps this is a false match. Norway is too far away from my homeland.

Could be a much older connection, 23andMe is not good with these predictions.

[Artek]

That's much more secure to say that he is related to the Varangians than to the Goths, which are still uncertain(probably they were kinda mixed group). We don't have an aDNA from Chernyakov and Wielbark cultures...

[evon]

R-L21* Probably English or German in origin..late research has indicated it might be from South Western Germany..

[evon]

My roots from the Ryazan Meshchera. Therefore my ancestors most likely Goths Ermanaric which grasped Meshchera.


We are 5th cousins on 23andMe.

I suspect i also have him as my 4th-> Distant cousin via my uncle...

[Insuperable]

It said R1b1b2a on 23andme. Current designation is R1b1a2a or R1b-L23.
I do not know if that is a definite clade determination.

(I am still waiting for those damn Ftdna results and then I will know since I saw that for some people 23andme did not determine specific clade like on Ftdna)

[Artek]

It said R1b1b2a on 23andme. Current designation is R1b1a2a or R1b-L23.
I do not know if that is a definite clade determination.

(I am still waiting for those damn Ftdna results and then I will know since I saw that for some people 23andme did not determine specific clade like on Ftdna)

Do you know how many markers they have taken into account? If only 25-37, you still have a chance to score R1b-U152 (that's the most likely clade for you, of course after R1b1a2a).
FTDNA research is deeper than 23andme

[Insuperable]

Do you know how many markers they have taken into account? If only 25-37, you still have a chance to score R1b-U152 (that's the most likely clade for you, of course after R1b1a2a).
FTDNA research is deeper than 23andme

I really do not know how many.

[ALL]

It said R1b1b2a on 23andme. Current designation is R1b1a2a or R1b-L23...

Are you sure you are not in R-Z2105 branch?

[Damião de Góis]

A croat R1b ? :p

[Artek]

A croat R1b ? :p
There are even N1c Spaniards, so nothing surprises me at all ;D

[Insuperable]

Are you sure you are not in R-Z2105 branch?

I do not know if I am L23 or not and not to mention do I belong to that branch.
I think I could still be just L23.

P.S. It is the first time I hear of Z2105 designation so I am assuming you are thinking of L51/M412 branch

[ALL]

I do not know if I am L23 or not and not to mention do I belong to that branch.
I think I could still be just L23.

P.S. It is the first time I hear of Z2105 designation so I am assuming you are thinking of L51/M412 branch

L23 splits into L51 and z2105.
Do you have a Croation surname Polish or Czech, ysearch number?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

[Insuperable]

L23 splits into L51 and z2105.
Do you have a Croation surname Polish or Czech, ysearch number?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-YDNA/

I have somewhat old Croatian surname.

[ALL]

I have somewhat old Croatian surname.

I wonder if you will be the same as "Skoda" in Split Croatia? Can you pm me your str's, for example is your DYS-393, 12 or 13 and DYS 464 values for a,b,c,d?

[Artek]

I wonder if you will be the same as "Skoda" in Split Croatia? Can you pm me your str's, for example is your DYS-393, 12 or 13 and DYS 464 values for a,b,c,d?
Don't do this, he will rape you...
But seriously, if you know your Y-STR results you can post it here or PM it to me as well.

[SKYNET]

R1b.

[Mechanolater]

When I was 18 I had a YDNA hg test done by FTDNA. Way out o' left field came E1b1a. I had absolutely no matches in any African nation, though. None with any Africans in western countries, either. Five English matches, four French matches and one Spanish match. Still kind o' "meh" about it.

Apparently, it's not E1b1a, but E1b1b. All these years... FTDNA B trollin'.

[Albion]

R1b-L48+ (or R1b1a2a1a1a4 to give it its long name). Found in England, Northern Germany, the Netherlands and among the Frisians.

[Jackson]

I've ordered a 12 marker test from FTDNA while it is on offer (£25). Will then upgrade at a later date, to see what cluster i fall into...and to hopefully find any matches that will shed more light on my direct paternal line.

[safinator]

R1b-L48+ (or R1b1a2a1a1a4 to give it its long name). Found in England, Northern Germany, the Netherlands and among the Frisians.

That's the typical Germanic R1b subclade.

[papa diddy pop]

I had my 37 markers done at FTDNA and it's shit, I discover no cousin ,I'm alone with weird value at DYS393=15 and DYS390=26

[Jackson]

I had my 37 markers done at FTDNA and it's shit, I discover no cousin ,I'm alone with weird value at DYS393=15 and DYS390=26

Unlucky.

[papa diddy pop]

Unlucky.

Well my-dna come from the north-east of France and no one from there except me seems to have been tested .

[Jackson]

Well my-dna come from the north-east of France and no one from there except me seems to have been tested .

Ahh i see. I heard there are laws in France against this sort of thing? Hopefully things will change, that will make genetic information about France much better, and for your own benefit as well.

[papa diddy pop]

Ahh i see. I heard there are laws in France against this sort of thing? Hopefully things will change, that will make genetic information about France much better, and for your own benefit as well.

Well it's complicated ,Genetic testing like 23andme or Ftdna are not forbidden ,it's non accredited paternity test that are forbidden,French are just not intesrested in it i guess,the fact that both 23andme and ftdna are in english might play a big role too . Anyway with me being tested I got a 50$ reduction on the warrior gene and so now i know I'm a warrior at least haha (3R variant)

[Albion]

That's the typical Germanic R1b subclade.

U106 is the common one.

[Jackson]

Well it's complicated ,Genetic testing like 23andme or Ftdna are not forbidden ,it's non accredited paternity test that are forbidden,French are just not intesrested in it i guess,the fact that both 23andme and ftdna are in english might play a big role too . Anyway with me being tested I got a 50$ reduction on the warrior gene and so now i know I'm a warrior at least haha (3R variant)

Ahh yeah. Yeah i think something needs to be done to make it more accessible in France...You border north, south, west and central Europe. Bound to be a lot of interesting discoveries if they do...

[Jackson]

U106 is the common one.

You have ascended by a mutation. :P

[papa diddy pop]

Ahh yeah. Yeah i think something needs to be done to make it more accessible in France...You border north, south, west and central Europe. Bound to be a lot of interesting discoveries if they do...

yeah for sure ,We will hopefully find R1b people with weird dys value like me.

[Mazik]

I got R1a. (swedish paternal line)
and my maternal grandfather got R1a as well. (saami paternal line)

= double R1a :cool:

[Oneandonly]

Paternally Italian BUT my haplogroup is J1. I don't know the sub-clade. Most likely have Jewish ancestors. I don't know how else J1 would end up in Central Italy.

[Sikeliot]

Paternally Italian BUT my haplogroup is J1. I don't know the sub-clade. Most likely have Jewish ancestors. I don't know how else J1 would end up in Central Italy.

The Neolithic, perhaps. But also, some of the North Africans in Sicily were expelled to other parts of Italy (along the Adriatic coast mostly) and some small towns have elevated amounts of J1 today.. I think one town in Apulia and another in Abruzzo.

[Oneandonly]

The Neolithic, perhaps. But also, some of the North Africans in Sicily were expelled to other parts of Italy (along the Adriatic coast mostly) and some small towns have elevated amounts of J1 today.. I think one town in Apulia and another in Abruzzo.
North Africans? That seems like a shot in the dark to me. I scored positive for the "Choen Model" haplotype on ftDNA apparently.

[Sikeliot]

North African Jews? I scored positive for the "Choen Model" haplotype on ftDNA apparently.

I wasn't thinking J1 was common amongst Jews. I couldn't say.

[Oneandonly]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

J1 = Caucasian, Mesopotamian, Semitic (Arabic/Jewish)

Amongst Ashkenazim Jews, it says J1 is 19%. For Sephardics it's 22%.

Wouldn't the North Africans expelled from Sicily have haplogroup E?

[Albion]

Paternally Italian BUT my haplogroup is J1. I don't know the sub-clade. Most likely have Jewish ancestors. I don't know how else J1 would end up in Central Italy.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35323319.jpg


J1 is native to most of the Middle East and North Africa and is found in lower frequencies in Europe, probably from the Neolithic and Roman Empire. There are certain subclades associated with certain groups such as L147.1 among the Cohen clan (Cohen is a Jewish surname), but J1 is NOT exclusive to Jews.
If you haplogroup is J1, your paternal ancestry Italian and your surname is Italian then chances are that you basically are just of Italian ancestry. Don't try to be something you're not. Read through the Eupedia on J1 in full and then form an opinion.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-J1.gif


http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml)

[Artek]

28822
Turned out to be R1a-Z280+, CTS 1211+, CTS3402+ and negative to the other SNP's downstream of CTS3402. Highest density pockets around the Carpathian, clustering by markers mostly to the Hungarians, Slovaks and Russians.

[SSlava]

I am J2a4b-M67, my ancestors are East Slavs.

[SSlava]

I am 247141. Me and my closest genetic relatives. What do you think about that? Those are strange results.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ABH/default.aspx?section=yresults
My direct male ancestors, as I recently was informed, are from East Ukraine. Brewer does not know exactly where their ancestor is, may be from England.
The Anonchuk ancestors are from West Ukrain, from Galitia, Roman Catolics.

[Patches]

R1b1b2a1a2f

[MfA_]

E1b1b1b2a1a (E-M84), double checked by Adriano Squecco..

[Hajdu]

Hi Lenny,

Interested in your remark about I1 being a "ruling class" element in the Nordic region. Hadn't heard that before. What is the basis for it?

Also, isn't Iceland at least 35% I1?

[Baluarte]

E1b1b1b2a

[Artek]

Hi Lenny,

Interested in your remark about I1 being a "ruling class" element in the Nordic region. Hadn't heard that before. What is the basis for it?

Also, isn't Iceland at least 35% I1?
Only Jarl Birger(founder of Stockholm) and his son are proven to be I1 if I rember correctly. The rest of the rulers/chiefs/kings could be anything

Iceland is like 30%-35% I1 indeed but studies on the Iceland are bad sampled

[Hajdu]

Thanks Artek. I knew about the Jarl Birger line. I think most of the North Germanic ruling families were/are R1 types in the paternal line... :rolleyes2::cool:

[Jackson]

Thanks Artek. I knew about the Jarl Birger line. I think most of the North Germanic ruling families were/are R1 types in the paternal line... :rolleyes2::cool:

Chance would have it that way. Anyway there are some ancient DNA studies going on in Denmark atm from all different time periods, so it might give us an idea of what the haplogroup assortion was like in the past. Might find that there was more or less I1, R1, i suppose.

[Artek]

Chance would have it that way. Anyway there are some ancient DNA studies going on in Denmark atm from all different time periods, so it might give us an idea of what the haplogroup assortion was like in the past. Might find that there was more or less I1, R1, i suppose.
I think that the R1b in North Germanics is younger than R1a(and I1 obviously) but in such countries like Denmark or Netherlands it become more successful and overnumbered older lineages. Going after it, samples should go from I1/R1a predominance rather to the R1b predominance in younger periods. Let us hope that the study will prove that.

[Jackson]

I think that the R1b in North Germanics is younger than R1a(and I1 obviously) but in such countries like Denmark or Netherlands it become more successful and overnumbered older lineages. Going after it, samples should go from I1/R1a predominance rather to the R1b predominance in younger periods. Let us hope that the study will prove that.

I think that would be the case.

[HansBiebel]

Where do you get these tests and how much do they cost?

[Jackson]

Where do you get these tests and how much do they cost?

23&me, 99$. that's the cheapest, but is very good.

[SkyBurn]

Well, 23andme told me I2, so I'm pretty sure it's I2*.
Which is pretty rare and ancient, so go me!

[Jackson]

Well, 23andme told me I2, so I'm pretty sure it's I2*.
Which is pretty rare and ancient, so go me!

I brotherhood! :P

[Artek]

Well, 23andme told me I2, so I'm pretty sure it's I2*.
Which is pretty rare and ancient, so go me!
23andMe told you that you are I2*, because they probably made a low-resolution insight into your Y-DNA, not because your I2 is ancestral and negative to any younger SNP's.

That's why we also have many I1* or R1a1a* in our board...sadly. FTDNA is more professional in those terms but you also need to pay more as well.:(

[Albion]

Thanks Artek. I knew about the Jarl Birger line. I think most of the North Germanic ruling families were/are R1 types in the paternal line... :rolleyes2::cool:

R1b and R1a are supposed to have overrun Western Europe as invaders - R1a with Indo-Europeans and R1b with Neolithic / Bronze Age migrations apparently. If this were the case then it would favour R1 haplogroups being higher among the aristocracy than others, although in new settled areas like Iceland there may have been opportunists from more humble backgrounds, although I personally haven't looked into their history.


I think that the R1b in North Germanics is younger than R1a(and I1 obviously) but in such countries like Denmark or Netherlands it become more successful and overnumbered older lineages. Going after it, samples should go from I1/R1a predominance rather to the R1b predominance in younger periods. Let us hope that the study will prove that.

How? Unless R1a and I1 men are less fertile, how would R1b coming into a region presumably as a minority be able to outnumber the other haplogroups? Polygamy? :confused: Why can't we see any cultures for R1b moving into Northern Europe? It's almost as if it crept in undetected.
I think I'll have a look at the mythology again, I'm convinced that the Aesir, Vanir, etc describe actual populations (obviously storytellers exaggerated and over time they became gods), Aesir almost certainly being R1a IMO.

[Artek]

How? Unless R1a and I1 men are less fertile, how would R1b coming into a region presumably as a minority be able to outnumber the other haplogroups? Polygamy? :confused: Why can't we see any cultures for R1b moving into Northern Europe? It's almost as if it crept in undetected.
They could have come in a few bigger waves and assimilate into existing cultures - so that's why there is no typical R1b-connected culture in the Northern Europe.And if not a fertility - a law and economy could have been at the side of the invaders. Or a weapons to some extent, we don't know for sure.

Anyway, I only said that they made it really successful into Denmark (40% of R1b) and Netherlands(50% of R1b). If such percentages aren't a result of more recent events, of course.

[Jackson]

They could have come in a few bigger waves and assimilate into existing cultures - so that's why there is no typical R1b-connected culture in the Northern Europe.And if not a fertility - a law and economy could have been at the side of the invaders. Or a weapons to some extent, we don't know for sure.

Anyway, I only said that they made it really successful into Denmark (40% of R1b) and Netherlands(50% of R1b). If such percentages aren't a result of more recent events, of course.

Apparently R1b-U106 is quite young in Scandinavia, and older in central and eastern Europe or something similar, so that's at least 1 type of R1b that probably expanded into the north late. I don't know about P312, it seems to have a reasonable presence in Norway, Sweden and much of Denmark but very scanty around the Netherlands & Frisia due to U106 dominance. An odd situation.

[xajapa]

23andMe told you that you are I2*, because they probably made a low-resolution insight into your Y-DNA, not because your I2 is ancestral and negative to any younger SNP's.

That's why we also have many I1* or R1a1a* in our board...sadly. FTDNA is more professional in those terms but you also need to pay more as well.:(
Yes. If you are really interested in your y-dna, FTDNA will do a more thorough analysis by going deeper. For some haplogroups, like R1a, that can mean a world of difference. For example, one can be R1a from northern India, or R1a form Poland or Germany. They are, literally, a world apart. The only way to know, genetically, is to take a deep clade test at FTDNA. I am not familiar with all y-dna haplogropus. Some may not have as much details (deep clades).

[Albion]

Apparently R1b-U106 is quite young in Scandinavia, and older in central and eastern Europe or something similar, so that's at least 1 type of R1b that probably expanded into the north late. I don't know about P312, it seems to have a reasonable presence in Norway, Sweden and much of Denmark but very scanty around the Netherlands & Frisia due to U106 dominance. An odd situation.

Yes, I'm starting to think that U106 could have been proto-Celtic. There was almost certainly a Celtic influence on the Germanics as can be seen with the strange case of the Cimbri sometimes being seen as Celtic (yet from Denmark) and Celtic loanwords in proto-Germanic.
The Low Countries weren't originally Celtic or Germanic, but belonged to a hypothetical Nordwestblok culture (personally I don't think it was a culture, rather a grey area between Celtic and Germanic cultures where the two blended into each other without any distinct boundaries. Belgae to the south being similar but more leaning to Celtic, Nordwestblok more leaning to Germanics).

The oldest U106 was found at Lichtenstein cave during the Urnfield culture. The Urnfied was ultimately ancestral to the Hallstatt and thus Celts. It could have either spread prior to the Celts or with them, but probably both. Lichtenstein Cave is quite far north, located in the far SE of Lower Saxony. I don't think this strays into the Germanic homeland though.
As for the origins of the Urnfield, I think it is a result of the Bronze Age collapse, R1b diffusing out of Anatolia and into Europe via two routes - one up the Danube into Central and Northern Europe and another probably by sea to Iberia and Britain. This diffusion may be visible from the events at the time in the Near East - Sea peoples raiding Egypt and the Levant (presumably from Anatolia), Mycenean culture ends and Troy destroyed. I think this points to two movements of R1b carrying tribes, one by sea and the other on land wreaking havoc in Anatolia and Greece on the way.

Whether U106 was present in Britain before the Anglo-Saxons would be an interesting point to consider. We need more testing of remains.
So I think U106 in Germanics *might* be Celtic for the most part, although some is earlier urnfield.

[Jackson]

Yes, I'm starting to think that U106 could have been proto-Celtic. There was almost certainly a Celtic influence on the Germanics as can be seen with the strange case of the Cimbri sometimes being seen as Celtic (yet from Denmark) and Celtic loanwords in proto-Germanic.
The Low Countries weren't originally Celtic or Germanic, but belonged to a hypothetical Nordwestblok culture (personally I don't think it was a culture, rather a grey area between Celtic and Germanic cultures where the two blended into each other without any distinct boundaries. Belgae to the south being similar but more leaning to Celtic, Nordwestblok more leaning to Germanics).

The oldest U106 was found at Lichtenstein cave during the Urnfield culture. The Urnfied was ultimately ancestral to the Hallstatt and thus Celts. It could have either spread prior to the Celts or with them, but probably both. Lichtenstein Cave is quite far north, located in the far SE of Lower Saxony. I don't think this strays into the Germanic homeland though.
As for the origins of the Urnfield, I think it is a result of the Bronze Age collapse, R1b diffusing out of Anatolia and into Europe via two routes - one up the Danube into Central and Northern Europe and another probably by sea to Iberia and Britain. This diffusion may be visible from the events at the time in the Near East - Sea peoples raiding Egypt and the Levant (presumably from Anatolia), Mycenean culture ends and Troy destroyed. I think this points to two movements of R1b carrying tribes, one by sea and the other on land wreaking havoc in Anatolia and Greece on the way.

Whether U106 was present in Britain before the Anglo-Saxons would be an interesting point to consider. We need more testing of remains.
So I think U106 in Germanics *might* be Celtic for the most part, although some is earlier urnfield.

Yeah i agree with this mostly, i am quite interested in the Nordwestblok idea, although have only read a little bit about it. Well there is a line in northern Germany where you stop getting evidence of Celtic place names, basically the core low German area.

If you think about it to be honest, it looks like P312 has been in the north for a while too, so it could be that R1b-U106 represents the Celtic part of that Nordic-Celtic mix that ended up being Germanic.

As regards to R1b-U106 in Britain in pre-Germanic times, most likely i think. Although looking at say, northern France/Normandy, i think they have about 8% of U106 now and they are part Germanic, so although i think it was there it is probably not likely that it was over 5%, (although it could have been in some parts of the far south-east i guess) but we will see in the future hopefully.

I think U106 can safely be called Germanic though, as it could have been possible that these U106-heavy north-central Europeans were one of the key players in the beginning as you say.

Of course we also have to remember that these are pre-Celtic and pre-Germanic as well, for the most part.

[Tropico]

E-V13 baby . ;) E1b1b1a2.

[Norrbottning]

N1c1.

Very common among the people my father descends from.

[Carlito's Way]

boring I1 :bored:

[Absolucid]

My Y-DNA haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a, (according to 23andme), although I've heard they do not test for the P312 SNP, so I may belong to a downstream sub-clade in reality.

Anyone care to comment on the possibility this haplogroup was spread throughout Western Europe by the Bell Beakers?

Sean

[Damião de Góis]

My Y-DNA haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a, (according to 23andme), although I've heard they do not test for the P312 SNP, so I may belong to a downstream sub-clade in reality.

Anyone care to comment on the possibility this haplogroup was spread throughout Western Europe by the Bell Beakers?

Sean

23andme tests for P312. I've seen many people getting it.

[Absolucid]

Alex, according to the posts on 23andme, it seems they used to test for it on their V2 chip, however, the newer V3 chip they've been using now has been having trouble with it. Again, this is only what I had heard on the site.

Sean

[Mikula]

R1a - quiet common here

[safinator]

R1b here, the most common apparently.

[itschac]

My Haplogoup is :

1- E1b1a7a E-U174 Z1704 + U174 + P9.2-P116-P115-P113-L372-

2- Halogroup Mtdna L2a1c1

[Siginulfo]

E1b1b1. I do not have any 0-step match from Southern Europe. My matches are Swiss, German, English. 1-step matches are 70% from Central and Northwestern Europe

[Insuperable]

R1b here, the most common apparently.

Which one? What does 23andme say?

[Insuperable]

My Y-DNA haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a, (according to 23andme), although I've heard they do not test for the P312 SNP, so I may belong to a downstream sub-clade in reality.

Anyone care to comment on the possibility this haplogroup was spread throughout Western Europe by the Bell Beakers?

Sean

So me belonging to R1b1b2a would mean I do not possibly belong to some clade downstream?

[safinator]

Which one? What does 23andme say?

R1b1b2a (L-23 that is)

[itschac]

Tested by the company: https://my.familytreedna.com/


My Haplogoup is :

1- E1b1a7a E-U174 Z1704 + U174 + P9.2-P116-P115-P113-L372-

2- Halogroup Mtdna L2a1c1

[Constantine13]

Mine's J2*.

Anybody know anything about this? Especially the "*"?

[itschac]

Dear Friend Constantine13! haplogroup J subclade what your deep?

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpJ.html

[Caismeachd]

Mines the same as Grahams, on my profile right here
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[Philo]

Mine's J2*.

Anybody know anything about this? Especially the "*"?

J2 has a very wide distribution, from India to Italy, but different subclades are associated with different ancient groups. The "*" means you have not tested positive for any of the subclades, which is pretty rare.

[Equilibrium]

Y-DNA: J2b2* (M241)

The paternal line comes from the region of ancient Bythinia. The hometown Sakarya (turkish for Sangarius, the phrygian river god) was also the homeland of the Phrygians.


The Northern hotspot in Anatolia on the J2b2 heatmap corresponds to the territory of the ancient Bithynians and Phrygians. The Bithynians are immigrants to Asia Minor from the Balkans, their original homeland is situated in Thrace were they were called the Thyni. Phrygians (ca. 1200 - 700 BC) are also ancient immigrants to Anatolia from the Balkans (Macedonia) were they were originally known as the Bryges. The Phrygians were allied to Troy and participated in the Trojan wars. Phrygians are also known for the Gordian Knot legend which together with their Macedonian ancestry links them to Alexander the Great and for their Phrygian Cap which would be the hat the god Mithras (popular with Roman Legionnaires) is wearing. Herodotus claims the Phrygians founded the Armenian Nation. Both areas were also Roman provinces. The origin history of the people/region in the south of Asia Minor is slightly harder to connect directly to the Balkans/Greece but it is situated roughly were we find the Hellenized Armenian Seleucid Kingdom(s)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8388/8675629245_0f99cf87c3_o.jpg

[SSlava]

;)

[Myth]

My y DNA is j1c3 or j1e per 23andme. My dad was Jewish, his family resided in Romania and some of the Baltic countries.

23andme says I have up to 45 percent Ashkenazi ancestry.

[Armatus]

Subclade of I-M26 here. Pretty weird STR markers, i have only a single match (1 step @ 12 markers) also from Germany. Did the TMRCA calculator a few times with my "closest" matches (41-step @ 67) and with these results and other calculations my line must've split from I-PF4088 around 4000 years ago. Pretty sure if i would do a WTY a ton of new snps would be decovered. I still wonder why they've taken a ton of sardinian M26 samples and none continental/northern M26 samples for Geno 2.0) . No wonder all the very distantly related german/english/scottish/walisian/swiss lines are presented as one subclade ... ridiculous.
Still a very rare subclade and nearly unique str-cluster, what makes it interesting, but sometimes i envy my R1b-U106>L48 cousins for there very detailed knowledge about their line and what people carried it.

[Jackson]

Subclade of I-M26 here. Pretty weird STR markers, i have only a single match (1 step @ 12 markers) also from Germany. Did the TMRCA calculator a few times with my "closest" matches (41-step @ 67) and with these results and other calculations my line must've split from I-PF4088 around 4000 years ago. Pretty sure if i would do a WTY a ton of new snps would be decovered. I still wonder why they've taken a ton of sardinian M26 samples and none continental/northern M26 samples for Geno 2.0) . No wonder all the very distantly related german/english/scottish/walisian/swiss lines are presented as one subclade ... ridiculous.
Still a very rare subclade and nearly unique str-cluster, what makes it interesting, but sometimes i envy my R1b-U106>L48 cousins for there very detailed knowledge about their line and what people carried it.

It does feel like knowledge of I in general advances a bit slower than R1 in general, i guess because it is less common. Although with an unusual lineage like yourself there's often almost no information about it. I need to send back a sample to FTDNA and then upgrade it to see what subgroup of I1-AS i'm in. I got it over 6 months ago but keep forgetting to send it off.

[Artek]

It does feel like knowledge of I in general advances a bit slower than R1 in general, i guess because it is less common. Although with an unusual lineage like yourself there's often almost no information about it. I need to send back a sample to FTDNA and then upgrade it to see what subgroup of I1-AS i'm in. I got it over 6 months ago but keep forgetting to send it off.
The same situation was with R1a till the 2009-2010, the first breakthrough was a discovery of M458 by Underhill, then the Z280,Z284, Z93 and so on.

Now we have a flood of new SNPs, thanks to full genome sequencing R1a-L1029 got 37 new mutations!. My branch ,"Volga-Carpathian", will have many new SNPs soon.

I1-Z140 got 41 new SNPs by the way. It looks like Nordtvedt isn't going to be a smartass anymore.

Thanks to the hard work of Francalacci, Pozniak and Mendez(Francalacci used Sardinian I2, Pozniak used Q) we have quite secure, averaged mutation rate of ~0.7 x 10^-9 per nucleotide per year.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

J2 here.

[KelmendasMalsor]

i havent tested yet,im Highlander (North Albania) ,with Dinarid and mediterranean phenotype.

[MfA_]

E-M84


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0eJQK819pA

[Maleficent]

E-M84, known as E1b1b1c1a in 23andme's longform, but as E1b1b1b2a1a in Isogg's 2013 update.

This is a great article about my ydna:
http://rjgg.org/index.php/RJGG/article/download/48/59

[MfA_]

E-M84, known as E1b1b1c1a in 23andme's longform, but as E1b1b1b2a1a in Isogg's 2013 update.

Have you watched the video, gave me creeps lol.. Video is about ancient times without separation of E1b1b1c1(our father) on Jews, Christains, Zoroastrians..

[Maleficent]

Have you watched the video, gave me creeps lol.. Video is about ancient times without separation of E1b1b1c1(our father) on Jews, Christains, Zoroastrians..

Wow, it was interesting. I tried searching youtube about it before but there was nothing, I guess they are there now. I also found this, also a bit sinister:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49OqadoC2gs

[Wulf Talented]

I'm R1a. - M198.
I'm still waiting on my 67 marker results from FTDNA speculated to be with me at the end of this month. My 37 marker has me matched with two people, one English lad and a Norwegian bloke.

[Artek]

I'm R1a. - M198.
I'm still waiting on my 67 marker results from FTDNA speculated to be with me at the end of this month. My 37 marker has me matched with two people, one English lady and a Norwegian bloke.
You have an y-dna match with lady? Are you sure he is "lady" ? ;)

Now seriously, have you got tested by an FTDNA?

[Wulf Talented]

You have an y-dna match with lady? Are you sure he is "lady" ? ;)

Now seriously, have you got tested by an FTDNA?

Interestingly enough, I thought I misread their name at first but honest to God it states as female name with Ms. ( Ms. Julia ) at the front on a Y37 marker match at genetic distance 4. I'd post the full name but then there's privacy confidential issues with that. Unless that's her father's YDNA?

And yes I did, still awaiting my 67 marker results :)

[Artek]

Interestingly enough, I thought I misread their name at first but honest to God it states as female name with Ms. ( Ms. Julia ) at the front on a Y37 marker match at genetic distance 4. I'd post the full name but then there's privacy confidential issues with that. Unless that's her father's YDNA?
I think you are right, that could be her father's Y-DNA


And yes I did, still awaiting my 67 marker results :)
Have you joined this project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/ ? Project staff is very heplful and professional, IMHO.

[Wulf Talented]

I think you are right, that could be her father's Y-DNA


Have you joined this project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/ ? Project staff is very heplful and professional, IMHO.

I certainly have! I've been talking with Larry quite recently about my R1a. He speculates it to be Norse, but there's a difficulty defining it with my YCAIIB result being 22. My matches, geographic location and etc would link me to Norse, most of my STR values would identify with Norse also... So it's best I wait for those 67 markers. Hopefully within 2 weeks :).

[Artek]

I certainly have! I've been talking with Larry quite recently about my R1a. He speculates it to be Norse, but there's a difficulty defining it with my YCAIIB result being 22. My matches, geographic location and etc would link me to Norse, most of my STR values would identify with Norse also... So it's best I wait for those 67 markers. Hopefully within 2 weeks :).
So probably a Z284 over here, I just wonder to which other downstream SNPs you are positive to. Rather L448 as well

[Herr Abubu]

I'm E-V13.

[Wulf Talented]

So probably a Z284 over here, I just wonder to which other downstream SNPs you are positive to. Rather L448 as well

I'll probably start testing SNPs after the 67 marker results, it'll be interesting also. What SNP's could I potentially be positive too?

[Artek]

I'll probably start testing SNPs after the 67 marker results, it'll be interesting also. What SNP's could I potentially be positive too?
I don't think I can make such far-fetched conclusions. Let's wait for 67 markers and oppinions of experts on Z284

[Wulf Talented]

I don't think I can make such far-fetched conclusions. Let's wait for 67 markers and oppinions of experts on Z284

Ok, sounds good! :)

[Wulf Talented]

I don't think I can make such far-fetched conclusions. Let's wait for 67 markers and oppinions of experts on Z284

Full 67 markers received, I spoke to Larry and he suspects me to be Z284*!

I think at some point I'll skip the Y-111 and go straight for the Big Y test at FTDNA, not yet though :)

I forgot too add...

Z287+ CTS8401+ Z281- Clade Z287, subclade CTS8401, cluster E3B

[Jizo]

My Y-DNA Haplogroup is J2a4h2, also called J-M530. Based on a big sample of 808 Bulgarians, it is 2.4% of the male population in Bulgaria. It is slightly more common in the Central and Western parts of the country. My maches on Family Tree DNA are Chatolic Germans from Bavaria, a Russian, a Russian Jew,Polish Jew, a bunch of Italians,German speaking Swiss,Irish these are the closes, more far I have a Greek,Armenian,Hungarian from Romania,some more Italians and two Polish Jews. From the tested Bulgarians I am closest to a guy from Aegean Thrace and a big and famous family from Ohrid :)
Soon I am going to upgrade to 67 markers,then I would have done everything I could possible do on Family Tree DNA with the male line :)

[Romo]

Im e1b1b1a

[Caismeachd]

R1b1b2a1a2f*

We are the masters of western civilization.

[1stLightHorse]

I2b1

http://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/haplogroup-i2b.gif

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I am a J2

[Mazik]

R1a1a, don't know what subclade though. Have been thinking of ordering a Y-dna test from FTDNA. But don't know if it's worth it.

[Artek]

R1a1a, don't know what subclade though. Have been thinking of ordering a Y-dna test from FTDNA. But don't know if it's worth it.
Likeliness is: Z284>L664>M458>Z280>Z93 :icon_cheesygrin:. I could've helped you but you don't have Y-STR results if tested by 23andme.

Z284 makes up more than 85% of Swedish R1a, imho.

[Jizo]

R1b1b2a1a2f*

We are the masters of western civilization.
Ha ha ha

[Artek]

Ha ha ha
Celts - the greatest losers of the time. Got a huge kick in the balls from Romans and then ass-raped by Germanics.

[Celxon]

My paternal haplogroup is R1b (R-M269). It's heavy in County Mayo. My maternal grandfather's haplogroup is R1b (R-U106). It's shared by the Belgian and Bourbon kings, unfortunately.

[Celxon]

Celts - the greatest losers of the time. Got a huge kick in the balls from Romans and then ass-raped by Germanics.

There were few sore testicles past Hadrian's Wall. As for the Germanics, their sexual perversion is none of my business.

[Weedman]

Celts - the greatest losers of the time. Got a huge kick in the balls from Romans and then ass-raped by Germanics.

Poland got it's "ass raped" by Germanics as well in WW2

lol

[Celxon]

Poland got it's "ass raped" by Germanics as well in WW2

lol

They got a few gonad punches from the Russians too. They're not much different than the Celts in the luck department.

[Artek]

Poland got it's "ass raped" by Germanics as well in WW2

lol
Huge mistake, gent.

We got ass raped by the Soviet Union,whereas kick in the balls was performed by the Germany. Still we stood better than both the French army and BEF in 1940.
And we have our language in contrary to Celts which are Germanic or Romance today :cool:

[Graham]

Celts - the greatest losers of the time. Got a huge kick in the balls from Romans and then ass-raped by Germanics.


You do know Scots could never be fully conquered by any of those? Norse could only manage the Islands. Anglo-Saxons were beaten, Danes were beaten. Romans pushed back. England could never hold onto Scotland, unlike Ireland and Wales. Too troublesome, like all those groups figured out. The UK was created not by invasion.

And language mainly adopted by the lowlands over time, not forced.


Anyway I shouldn't have to defend this. Nor are we some master of civilization. That's too far.

[Jackson]

You do know Scots could never be fully conquered by any of those? Norse could only manage the Islands. Anglo-Saxons were beaten, Danes were beaten. Romans pushed back. England could never hold onto Scotland, unlike Ireland and Wales. Too troublesome, like all those groups figured out. The UK was created not by invasion.

And language mainly adopted by the lowlands over time, not forced.


Anyway I shouldn't have to defend this. Nor are we some master of civilization. That's too far.

The Scots get my vote for the most resilient British Islanders, count on that. And you've made a very large (mostly lowland) contribution to the fields of science and engineering and other similar fields, nothing to shy away at.

[Albion]

R1b1b2a1a2f*

We are the masters of western civilization.

You mean U106?


You do know Scots could never be fully conquered by any of those? Norse could only manage the Islands. Anglo-Saxons were beaten, Danes were beaten. Romans pushed back. England could never hold onto Scotland, unlike Ireland and Wales. Too troublesome, like all those groups figured out. The UK was created not by invasion.

And language mainly adopted by the lowlands over time, not forced.


Anyway I shouldn't have to defend this. Nor are we some master of civilization. That's too far.


I don't know, General Monck did a pretty good job of occupying Scotland during the civil war.

It's sort of sad that Celts lost their languages.

[Graham]

The Scots get my vote for the most resilient British Islanders, count on that. And you've made a very large (mostly lowland) contribution to the fields of science and engineering and other similar fields, nothing to shy away at.

Like John Buchan says. "We do not want to be like the Greeks, powerful and prosperous wherever we settle, but with a dead Greece behind us,"

The past is fantastic within the UK and out of it also. I worry about the future though. We need to get more philosophical in Education again, in Scotland.. Another thing I noticed today in the news. Another foreign company being awarded a contract in England. Whilst the countryside becomes fucked through drilling. A good profit will go to the French. Make it Public or help build up a company in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25695813

[Graham]

You mean U106?




I don't know, General Monck did a pretty good job of occupying Scotland during the civil war.


Didn't last long though. A few years. Monarchy was restored in less than decade.

[Celxon]

Huge mistake, gent.

We got ass raped by the Soviet Union,whereas kick in the balls was performed by the Germany. Still we stood better than both the French army and BEF in 1940.
And we have our language in contrary to Celts which are Germanic or Romance today :cool:

By the way, I meant no offense to Poland. It's a great country full of great people. Sadly, it was situated between a country full of evil commies and a country full of wicked Nazis, and that's not to mention the other threats before them. Ireland had the misfortune of neighboring a monarchy full of diabolical imperialists.

[Celxon]

You do know Scots could never be fully conquered by any of those? Norse could only manage the Islands. Anglo-Saxons were beaten, Danes were beaten. Romans pushed back. England could never hold onto Scotland, unlike Ireland and Wales. Too troublesome, like all those groups figured out. The UK was created not by invasion.

And language mainly adopted by the lowlands over time, not forced.


Anyway I shouldn't have to defend this. Nor are we some master of civilization. That's too far.

That's true, but the "Saxons" decisively beat the Picts, and the English decisively beat the Scottish in varied battles. I saw a lot of my forebears' Scottish surnames on lists of the dead and wounded. All sides gave as much as they got, except for calamities like Pinkie Cleugh. That was a one-sided disaster!

[sonofthedutch]

Ive tested positive for R1b-U106, L48 and Z8

My paternal line and my only none Dutch line is Z8. Which is supposedly a pretty good indicator of West Germanic invaders, be them Saxons/Jutes/Frisians/Angles and possibly Belgae. Theres always a possible Viking or Norman connection. Interesting that the most likely point of origin is or near by where the rest of my family lives or hails from.

[LightHouse89]

evil white people

[Albion]

Like John Buchan says. "We do not want to be like the Greeks, powerful and prosperous wherever we settle, but with a dead Greece behind us,"

The past is fantastic within the UK and out of it also. I worry about the future though. We need to get more philosophical in Education again, in Scotland.. Another thing I noticed today in the news. Another foreign company being awarded a contract in England. Whilst the countryside becomes fucked through drilling. A good profit will go to the French. Make it Public or help build up a company in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25695813

The countryside won't be fucked. Building wind turbines all over the place has already done that. A few wells dotted around isn't nearly on the same scale.

[Albion]

Ive tested positive for R1b-U106, L48 and Z8

My paternal line and my only none Dutch line is Z8. Which is supposedly a pretty good indicator of West Germanic invaders, be them Saxons/Jutes/Frisians/Angles and possibly Belgae. Theres always a possible Viking or Norman connection. Interesting that the most likely point of origin is or near by where the rest of my family lives or hails from.

I'm also in the L48 club, Hevo is the other member. We're not so common. :D L48 is mostly found among Germanics and is derived from U106 which reaches its peak in the Low countries, Western Germany and England and is basically Germanic itself and is thought to originate in Lower Saxony.

[Hevo]

Ive tested positive for R1b-U106, L48 and Z8

My paternal line and my only none Dutch line is Z8. Which is supposedly a pretty good indicator of West Germanic invaders, be them Saxons/Jutes/Frisians/Angles and possibly Belgae. Theres always a possible Viking or Norman connection. Interesting that the most likely point of origin is or near by where the rest of my family lives or hails from.

It would be probably either a Saxon/Frisii/Angle or a Jute.

[Jackson]

It would be probably either a Saxon/Frisii/Angle or a Jute.

Yeah a lot of the incomers in East Anglia and Kent seem to have been Frisians, and probably some in other areas too i guess.

[sonofthedutch]

L48 for the win boys!!

Hevo, or Albion, whats your guys terminal SNP? Get on that private message bro's!

[Omega]

I expected I1, considering my north german ancestry. The only thing that surprised me was the subclade assignement. I anticipated a typical northern continental branch but I turned out as a scandinavian (Ultra Norse) I1. Either it's the Vikings fault or some swedish soldiers had their "fun" in the 30yrs war.

[quaquaraqua]

R1b1b2a1, rare and strange.

[Artek]

R1b1b2a1, rare and strange.
You mean R1b-L23? Cause using ISOGG and YCC nomenclature is misleading, they constantly change it

[quaquaraqua]

You mean R1b-L23? Cause using ISOGG and YCC nomenclature is misleading, they constantly change it

Yes that one!It is quite common I see.

[Mazik]

Likeliness is: Z284>L664>M458>Z280>Z93 :icon_cheesygrin:. I could've helped you but you don't have Y-STR results if tested by 23andme.

Z284 makes up more than 85% of Swedish R1a, imho.

I ordered a Y-dna test from ftdna a couple of hours ago :) about how long time can I expect to wait for the analysis when it hits the lab again?

[Artek]

I ordered a Y-dna test from ftdna a couple of hours ago :) about how long time can I expect to wait for the analysis when it hits the lab again?
It took me almost 3 months with ordering,receiving, sending kit back and waiting for the results (37 markers). I think they are slightly faster now. But if you can afford it, their y-dna tests are the best, only YFULL from FGC is more accurate.

[Mazik]

It took me almost 3 months with ordering,receiving, sending kit back and waiting for the results (37 markers). I think they are slightly faster now. But if you can afford it, their y-dna tests are the best, only YFULL from FGC is more accurate.

Here's a fresh regional R1a chart from Sweden (with 67 markers):

http://sjolunds.se/dna-genealogi/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Swedish_R1a_2014-01-22.png

According to that one, it's most likely that I will be Z284>Z287/Z288 or Z284>L448 because that's what the north Swedes on that chart have been tested as. But my Y-line location is even further north than them, so who knows.

[FunkyWanderer]

Here's my Genographic results I just got back today.

Paternal Line: M42 > M168 > M89 > P128 > M45 > M207 > P231 > M343 > L278 > P310 > L21
Maternal Line: L3 > N > R > U > U2 > U2E > U2E1'2'3

MEDITERRANEAN
43%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN
39%
SOUTHWEST ASIAN
15%
NEANDERTHAL
1.9%
DENISOVAN
1.9%



YOUR FIRST REFERENCE POPULATION: BRITISH (UNITED KINGDOM)
YOUR SECOND REFERENCE POPULATION: GREEK



I find is curious there is no French reference population...

And myFTDNA gives:


Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4 Shorthand R-L21
mtDNA U2e1b


I'm French Canadian, and I can track both Paternal and Maternal to France during the first colonization of Nouvelle France in the 1650's.

Paternal Michel Dupuis, b. 1634 and d. 1700
Maternal Marie Cholet, b.1602 and d. 1642


I can track my paternal line in France to Gen. Raphael de Podio, Commander of the Roman Cavalry & Grand Chamberlain of the Roman Republic, Governor of Provinces of Lanquedoc & Dauphiny of Southeastern France (b. bef. 1033), but there isn't any information beyond him that I've found so far but in my lineage is a lot of really interesting history including the Acadians, the Huguenots, Knights Templars, Great Priestly Architects, Dukes, and all sorts of Nobility and Chivalry. L-21 being linked to the Davidic house of Judah is giving me the want to connect the missing links in my family tree.

I'm really enjoying the help DNA tracking is giving the family tree research.

[Graham]

France I think has a ban against DNA testing. It's a illegal. Lack of identity culture. I'm guessing you're mainly Northern French.

[Jackson]

Here's my Genographic results I just got back today.

Paternal Line: M42 > M168 > M89 > P128 > M45 > M207 > P231 > M343 > L278 > P310 > L21
Maternal Line: L3 > N > R > U > U2 > U2E > U2E1'2'3

MEDITERRANEAN
43%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN
39%
SOUTHWEST ASIAN
15%
NEANDERTHAL
1.9%
DENISOVAN
1.9%



YOUR FIRST REFERENCE POPULATION: BRITISH (UNITED KINGDOM)
YOUR SECOND REFERENCE POPULATION: GREEK



I find is curious there is no French reference population...

And myFTDNA gives:


Y-DNA R1b1a2a1a1b4 Shorthand R-L21
mtDNA U2e1b


I'm French Canadian, and I can track both Paternal and Maternal to France during the first colonization of Nouvelle France in the 1650's.

Paternal Michel Dupuis, b. 1634 and d. 1700
Maternal Marie Cholet, b.1602 and d. 1642


I can track my paternal line in France to Gen. Raphael de Podio, Commander of the Roman Cavalry & Grand Chamberlain of the Roman Republic, Governor of Provinces of Lanquedoc & Dauphiny of Southeastern France (b. bef. 1033), but there isn't any information beyond him that I've found so far but in my lineage is a lot of really interesting history including the Acadians, the Huguenots, Knights Templars, Great Priestly Architects, Dukes, and all sorts of Nobility and Chivalry. L-21 being linked to the Davidic house of Judah is giving me the want to connect the missing links in my family tree.

I'm really enjoying the help DNA tracking is giving the family tree research.

Thanks for sharing. It's probably because it's assuming you are a mixture, a British person with some degree of Greek ancestry would be probably close to a French person genetically.

Also i'm not sure about the whole tribes of Israel thing, seems hogwash. R1b-L21 is most common in the British Isles and northern France.

[Graham]

The Stewart Kings were R1b-L21. That line goes back to Brittany.

[Oneeye]

So many E1B1Bs here. :D

[Mazik]

The Stewart Kings were R1b-L21. That line goes back to Brittany.

Cool, I didn't know that. The Stewart family is found among my ancestors.

[Methusalem]

E1b1b1a1b.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Most likely E1b1b (E-V13).

[Methusalem]

Most likely E1b1b (E-V13).

Did you already tested yourself?

[Shuffle]

R1b-M269

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Did you already tested yourself?

Nope, unfortunately we still don't have DNA laboratories to conduct the DNA test over here. Not sure about Albania thou however as soon as DNA testing is available I'd do a DNA test. :)

PS. That's why I said "most likely".

[Methusalem]

Nope, unfortunately we still don't have DNA laboratories to conduct the DNA test over here. Not sure about Albania thou however as soon as DNA testing is available I'd do a DNA test. :)

PS. That's why I said "most likely".

You could order a 23andme kit and sent it to the US.^^

[Vojnik]

Keep the off topic out of it please.

[JQP4545]

Thanks for sharing. It's probably because it's assuming you are a mixture, a British person with some degree of Greek ancestry would be probably close to a French person genetically.

Also i'm not sure about the whole tribes of Israel thing, seems hogwash. R1b-L21 is most common in the British Isles and northern France.

I'm a British Greek mix and my one population match is France...

[LightHouse89]

France I think has a ban against DNA testing. It's a illegal. Lack of identity culture. I'm guessing you're mainly Northern French.

Probably because they want to Africanize France LOL. Prove the out of africa theory once europeans there have inter bred with enough blacks and other races. France is a sick joke.

[Argang]

Probably because they want to Africanize France LOL. Prove the out of africa theory once europeans there have inter bred with enough blacks and other races. France is a sick joke.

It's because those tests, especially ones testing Y-DNA, can be construed as paternity tests which are punishable in France "to preserve peace in families" if taken without a court order.

[Mazik]

The new BIG-Y from ftdna seems promising. But a little too expensive for me :p Has anyone here been thinking of buying it?

F.ex I just saw an interesting SNP tree for Y-DNA I1-L1302 made with two Norwegians from Trøndelag, two Swedes from Västerbotten and two Finns from Österbotten. Based on new findings made through BigY and fgc.

The first split is made about 1000 years ago:

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1510482_10202795365638502_4833584193324711829_n.jp g

The two Norwegians are those mostly to the left, the two Swedes in the middle, and the two Finns on the right. As an example one can estimate that the split between the Västerbotten Swedes and Österbotten Finns happened on the 14th century. And that the split between the two Norwegians happened on the 17th century :)

[sonofthedutch]

Just got tested down to r1b-u106 Z1. At just the Z1 level there is 3 in england and 1 in finland according to the R1b-u106 group.

wheres my fins at?

[JoeyGee8688]

R1b... guess I'm not that special :D

[lianohortaroudia]

j2b m12..

[Vikar]

I-L813 (I1a2e)


L-813+ is a predominantly Scandinavian subclade, particularly common in southern Norway. It is also found in Britain (likely of Viking descent) and in the northern Netherlands (but not in Germany).

[Jackson]

Another person with I1 and U5! A good combo :)

[Vikar]

Another person with I1 and U5! A good combo :)

We descend from the conquerors of the north.

:food-smiley-004:

[armenianbodyhair]

I meant to vote R1b not R1a...some mod please fix?

[Black Wolf]

I meant to vote R1b not R1a...some mod please fix?

Your father or brother tested out to be R1b?

[Longbowman]

The correct answer is E1b1b.

[Stefan_Dusan]

I'm I2 not I2b* or I2a*, one of the oldest and rarest haplogroups in Europe.

[Valais]

R1b-U152*

[Longbowman]

Members Staff Percentage
I2a2 6 1 17%
E1b1b 31 3 10%
Other 12 1 9%
R1a 48 2 4%
R1b 80 3 4%
I1 28 0 0%
J2 14 0 0%
N1c1 11 0 0%
G2a 8 0 0%
I2b 6 0 0%
J1 6 0 0%
T 4 0 0%
I2a1 2 0 0%

E 31 3 10%
R 128 5 4%
I 42 1 2%
G 8 0 0%
T 4 0 0%
J 20 0 0%

Clear favouritism by EV13 Admin Loki, or are E1b1bs just naturally better with responsibility and management? :laugh:

[armenianbodyhair]

Your father or brother tested out to be R1b?

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

[safinator]

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

What clade? With which company did he test?

[Stefan_Dusan]

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

It's actually not that weird. R1b in the Balkans is an Anatolian marker, spread to the Balkans by neolithic farmers much the same way J was. I have 2 Turks on my 23andMe with R1b that shares with other Balkanites (an Albanian in my case). Solin is another member with this R1b.

[Balmung]

lol Carlos I1

[Gaston]

^^^ Probably even later than the neolithic (Bronze age) because no R1b so far has been found in neolithic remains in Europe.

R1b may be linked to the substantial West Asian component in the Balkans.

[armenianbodyhair]

What clade? With which company did he test?

https://www.familytreedna.com/

I think it was R1b1a1 or R1b1a2

[safinator]

Ftdna has a good resolution of Y-DNA, likely he was L-23 like me.

[Black Wolf]

Yeah my dad did. I still think its a very weird result.

Nah it's not that weird really. R1b exists among Serbs even though it is not the most common haplogroup.

[1stLightHorse]

I'm I2 not I2b* or I2a*, one of the oldest and rarest haplogroups in Europe.

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

[Longbowman]

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

[1stLightHorse]

So do you all. YDNA is just one line of descent among millions.

What are you talking about?

[Longbowman]

What are you talking about?

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

[1stLightHorse]

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

[Longbowman]

First of all, my point was that his subclade is not indicative of recent mutation. Haplogroup I people migrated into Europe via the Balkans/Anatolia. So, you've taken what i said as a broad statement but it was very specific. Stefan has made threads before about the y-dna of Illyrian people and the possibility that haplogroup I2 was introduced into the Balkans via Slavic invaders. My point is that since his subclade is more Archaic than the usual ones found in the Balkans, it's more likely that it pre-dated slavic invasion and that it has been there since very early on without much mutation. It definitely arrived before E1b, J2, R1b, R1a, etc etc.

I'm well aware of what Y-dna means.

And actually All of your direct paternal ancestors were E1b, and all of mine were I2a2a after mutation. That's what Y-dna is. An unbroken line of paternal ancestry. I was referring to Stefan's paternal line, not his autosomal DNA.

I said this.

Anyway my bad, I thought you were referring to his ancestry as a whole.

[Jackson]

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

[Longbowman]

Well that's obvious right?

When he said "You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the Balkans.", about Stefan Dusan's Y-haplogroup, in a thread about Y-haplogroups - the fact that he was talking about Y-haplogroups has already been made obvious by the context.

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

[cally]

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.
And it's raining!

[Jackson]

Um...it's 3am, and I'm tired? That's a good excuse. I'll use that.

Haha ok fair enough.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Wow, so surely this could not have been Slavic invasion??

You must descend from some of the first modern humans in the balkans.

For record, I only made threads about specific I2a2b coming from slavic invasion, not all I2* variants. While I2 *could* have come with the migrations of I2a2b, who really knows, we know that the original people of the Balkans as well as entire Europe were I people. I is the true haplogroup of the Europeans. There is a study that the ancient Thracians, before even neolithic invasions, had the same haplogroup as Sardinians who are a I2* something people.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

im j2b2 specifically

[Smaug]

I've never done the test, but I'm pretty sure I'd come as R1b-S28/U152.

[lianohortaroudia]

im j2b2 specifically


Really?
I'm j2-m12

[Black Wolf]

Really?
I'm j2-m12

You are female are you not? Did your father or brother test?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

For record, I only made threads about specific I2a2b coming from slavic invasion, not all I2* variants. While I2 *could* have come with the migrations of I2a2b, who really knows, we know that the original people of the Balkans as well as entire Europe were I people. I is the true haplogroup of the Europeans. There is a study that the ancient Thracians, before even neolithic invasions, had the same haplogroup as Sardinians who are a I2* something people.

There's a lot og G for sardinians too, though, and ancient G-men show sardinian affinity.

[Stefan_Dusan]

There's a lot og G for sardinians too, though, and ancient G-men show sardinian affinity.

According to this Sardinians are 42% haplogroup I (of which the majority is I2a1), the second most common haplogroup is R1b (22%) then G2a (15%). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_people#Y-DNA

The one found most commonly in the Balkans is I2a2b. Very close but still separated from the Sardinian one by about 10,000 years. Now when you go back to I2 (which is the ancestor of the I2a and I2b lines) we talk about something in the neighborhood of 40,000 years. That's how old my specific one is.

G2 came to Europe during the neolithic invasions, it shows highest concentration in southern Kavkaz. The only true haplogroup of the Europeans (the oldest to Europe) are the I haplogroups.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

M269+ L23-

[Artek]

According to this Sardinians are 42% haplogroup I (of which the majority is I2a1), the second most common haplogroup is R1b (22%) then G2a (15%). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_people#Y-DNA

According to the thesis of Francalacci there is a low internal diversity among sequenced I2a1 samples from Sardinia and everything points at a bottlekneck that had happened relatively recent. I think that neolithic Sardinians could've been predominantly G2a and E with some token I2 from assimilated hunters-gatherers.

[lianohortaroudia]

You are female are you not? Did your father or brother test?
brother.

[Äijä]

You said you must descend from the first humans in the Balkans on account of his YDNA clade.

But of course, that's just one line amongst millions. In Cameroon a lot of people are R1b but they're not Indo-European. Similarly, not all my ancestors were E1b1b1c1a and not all of yours were I2a2a. Ultimately YDNA shows 1 line of descent and that's really it. He's no more descended from ancient Balkaners than you are, assuming similar ancestry.

But Finns are Mongols, remember that.

[Okirus]

J2b1 - M205

[Linebacker]

I dont know mine,but because of all the halogroup stuff on this forum I remembered my mother had some blood testing done on her a while back(health related) and her paper says she is I2.

[Black Wolf]

I dont know mine,but because of all the halogroup stuff on this forum I remembered my mother had some blood testing done on her a while back(health related) and her paper says she is I2.

I2 could be your mother's mtDNA haplogroup as I am sure you know women do not have Y-DNA.

[Linebacker]

I2 could be your mother's mtDNA haplogroup as I am sure you know women do not have Y-DNA.

I have no Idea what both mean.Im not a gene scientist.

Under her blood type which is 0 is a paragraph saying H-I2.

[Furnace]

I dont know mine,but because of all the halogroup stuff on this forum I remembered my mother had some blood testing done on her a while back(health related) and her paper says she is I2.

So your mom is a man?

[Stefan_Dusan]

I have no Idea what both mean.Im not a gene scientist.

Under her blood type which is 0 is a paragraph saying H-I2.

This is something else, she would need a genetic test not a blood test for her mtDNA to be read.

So to give you a brief explanation, there is a haplogroup relevant to men, the Y-haplogroup, and a haplogroup relevant to women and men, mtDNA. Brief explanation of each;

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Y-haplogroup. There are two chromosomes for sex, X and Y. A woman has XX and a man has XY. The Y determines you being a man. When people reproduce, both the man and the woman donate a chromosome at random. Obviously a woman can only give X as she is XX but a man can give X or Y since he is XY. If he gives Y his child is a male, if he gives X, his child is a female. So the Y-chromosome is tied to your male line, the same Y-haplogroup you share with your father who shares with his father, all the way back thousands of years. It's insane to think about.
****
mtDNA.
I don't know much about this, but I suspect it comes from the egg. Obviously the woman donates an egg, and the man a sperm to become a child. Inside this egg is mtDNA and as you mature inside this egg, you inherit this mtDNA. Since only your mother provides this egg, you share her mtDNA. Since her mother provided the egg for her, likewise all the way for thousands of years. Now you will also share this mtDNA with all your siblings being brothers or sisters since your mother's egg was used for all of you. But you will not share the mtDNA of your father since he got his from his mother's egg. With Y-haplogroup you will share with your brothers again (since they got from your father) but your sisters will not have it.

[Linebacker]

Yeah thanks for the clear up Stefan,I guess I should have posted that in the mtDna thread.

[Mazik]

R1a-Z284+ :)

Apparently the viking clade of R1a :)

[Skerdilaid]

R1b1a2a

[Bell Beaker]

Probably some R1B branch.

[Xanthias]

mostly J2 middle-eastern.

[Longbowman]

Probably some R1B branch.

Yes, probably, but don't vote if you don't know for sure.

[Solothurn]

I am now U152+ S20550+

My DYS511=9 which is not very common in current U152* but it remains to be seen if there is any connection :)

[The Sun King]

G2a for me. Likely G2a3b1a2a L497. Haven't been SNP'd yet.

[Prince Of Macrobia]

E1b1b1 V32.

[Tchek]

I have no clue! My Y-DNA stops right at R1b-L51... basically there is no way to know if I'm U106, U152 or whatever ; unless I pay $$$ for FTDNA I guess...

[Longbowman]

I have no clue! My Y-DNA stops right at R1b-L51... basically there is no way to know if I'm U106, U152 or whatever ; unless I pay $$$ for FTDNA I guess...

Well you do have a bit of a clue, don't you. Narrowed it down to R1b-L51.

[Tchek]

Well you do have a bit of a clue, don't you. Narrowed it down to R1b-L51.

L51 is right before the "split" which determine if I'm an italo-celt, a basque or some germanic barbarian, so it doesn't say much

[Longbowman]

L51 is right before the "split" which determine if I'm an italo-celt, a basque or some germanic barbarian, so it doesn't say much

1) Y-DNA doesn't determine ethnicity, or 40% of Aframs are Anglos.
2) You now know you're R1b. That means you're one of maybe 250 million, out of 7 billion. Narrowed it down a lot. That's not to mention the L51 split.

[DanielJ1eH]

How do I figure out which branch I am of J1e?

[Cody Gearhart]

My y-dna branch is R1b. My paternal haplogroup is the rare R-U198.
mothers mt-dna haplgroup is U5a1d.

[Tchek]

1) Y-DNA doesn't determine ethnicity, or 40% of Aframs are Anglos.
2) You now know you're R1b. That means you're one of maybe 250 million, out of 7 billion. Narrowed it down a lot. That's not to mention the L51 split.

All that being R1b says is that I'm western European... duh, could have guessed...
R1b is an extremely diverse haplogroup, there is little in common between a basque DF27 and a germanic U106

[Longbowman]

All that being R1b says is that I'm western European... duh, could have guessed...
R1b is an extremely diverse haplogroup, there is little in common between a basque DF27 and a germanic U106

Are you kidding? They split less than 4,000 years ago. And 20-30% of Western Europeans are I, E3b, R1a, and others.

[The Sun King]

How do I figure out which branch I am of J1e?

You need to get more SNP's tested.

[Tchek]

Are you kidding? They split less than 4,000 years ago. And 20-30% of Western Europeans are I, E3b, R1a, and others.

Lots happened in 4000 years in Europe, you know...
Being U106 or U152 or L21 etc is important... it's a R1b thing, you wouldn't understand

[Argonian]

1) Y-DNA doesn't determine ethnicity, or 40% of Aframs are Anglos.
2) You now know you're R1b. That means you're one of maybe 250 million, out of 7 billion. Narrowed it down a lot. That's not to mention the L51 split.

Isn't genetic plotting on 23andme a better (or indeed best) example of determining ethnicity?

[Longbowman]

Isn't genetic plotting on 23andme a better (or indeed best) example of determining ethnicity?

Genetic calculators in general, yes.

[Artek]

I have no clue! My Y-DNA stops right at R1b-L51... basically there is no way to know if I'm U106, U152 or whatever ; unless I pay $$$ for FTDNA I guess...
You are tested by 23andme V2 or V3 chip? It should have consisted U152 and U106, so you are negative to them it seems. There are a few options for you - P312, P310, DF27

[Tchek]

You are tested by 23andme V2 or V3 chip? It should have consisted U152 and U106, so you are negative to them it seems. There are a few options for you - P312, P310, DF27

V4 chip... actually I have a no-call on either P312 or U106...

but then I used the "23andMe to YSNP" program... I'm negative for U106, U152, L21... DF27 is spared but many of its subclades (M153, SRY2627...) are negative... I'm probably one of those small clades like DF19 or DF99...
Don't know how reliable is "23andme to YSNP" though...

[Artek]

V4 chip... actually I have a no-call on either P312 or U106...

but then I used the "23andMe to YSNP" program... I'm negative for U106, U152, L21... DF27 is spared but many of its subclades (M153, SRY2627...) are negative... I'm probably one of those small clades like DF19 or DF99...
Don't know how reliable is "23andme to YSNP" though...
It's reliable enough. So the only way for you to know is geno 2.0 or FTDNA. I would've chosen geno 2.0 and transferred the data to FTDNA for free.

[Meazzano]

I'm italian, my grandfather comes from Cerignola, Apulia. My haplogroup is R1b1a2a.

[Vasconcelos]

I-M253..so that's I1a using that nomenclature, right?



My paternal line is the southernmost in my family..it's from the outskirts of Viseu (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/LocalMangualde.svg/2000px-LocalMangualde.svg.png) (at least up to my great-great grandfather..no reason to think his ancestors weren't from the region, since they were all from small villages in the region).

[Damião de Góis]

I-M253..so that's I1a using that nomenclature, right?



My paternal line is the southernmost in my family..it's from the outskirts of Viseu (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/LocalMangualde.svg/2000px-LocalMangualde.svg.png) (at least up to my great-great grandfather..no reason to think his ancestors weren't from the region, since they were all from small villages in the region).

No that's I1. You did 23andme?

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I1.gif

[Vasconcelos]

No that's I1. You did 23andme?

Nope. A cousin of mine from my paternal line did some test (I didn't even ask where) and got that..so unless there was cuckolding involved (hi, milkman) I share his result.

I don't spend money on this sort of thing, I don't care much about this. But I thought I'd share the result with you.

[Damião de Góis]

Nope. A cousin of mine from my paternal line did some test (I didn't even ask where) and got that..so unless there was cuckolding involved (hi, milkman) I share his result.

I don't spend money on this sort of thing, I don't care much about this. But I thought I'd share the result with you.

Ok, now you know your paternal line comes from the germanic invasions most likely.

[Vasconcelos]

Ok, now you know your paternal line comes from the germanic invasions most likely.

...muss ich Deutsch sprechen?

[Longbowman]

...muss ich Deutsch sprechen?

Du musst Westgotische oder Suebische (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sueben)lernen.

[Vasconcelos]

Du musst Westgotische oder Suebische (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sueben)lernen.

Ja, aber wir haben leider keine informationen über Suebische.

[Longbowman]

Ja, aber wir haben leider keine informationen über Suebische.

Ich habe gesagt, du musst Suebische lernen, undso du musst Suebische lernen.

[Vasconcelos]

Ich habe gesagt, du musst Suebische lernen, undso du musst Suebische lernen.

:fear:

[Reith]

R1b.. L-21-->DF-21

[Figaro]

R1a1a. Paternal roots from Germany. I'm basically an Obotritic/Wendish Prussian. (as Beitel says, you are what your daddy's daddy was)

[Longbowman]

R1a1a. Paternal roots from Germany. I'm basically an Obotritic/Wendish Prussian. (as Beitel says, you are what your daddy's daddy was)

So Beitel would accept a 3/4 Nigerian as white? Dismissed.

[Figaro]

So Beitel would accept a 3/4 Nigerian as white? Dismissed.

My apologies, your handsomeness.

[Gooding]

I1. I've got the " invader gene.":thumb001::evil:laugh:

[Longbowman]

My apologies, your handsomeness.

I laughed.

Anyhow my daddy's daddy was/is Austrian, but tracing my paternal line back we find the founders of Jericho.

You are what you are.

[Vasconcelos]

You are what you are.
Yes, and not what others before you were...which some people here have a hard time grasping.

[Artek]

R1a1a. Paternal roots from Germany. I'm basically an Obotritic/Wendish Prussian. (as Beitel says, you are what your daddy's daddy was)
My cousin!