Could I be partially Romanian or some kind of BS??

[Mortimer]

When I look at all my Results combined Romania as Ancestry pops frequently up. Maybe because Serbians and Romanians are that similar or am I really partially Romanian (maybe Serbo-Romanian mix?) What should I make out of my Results. Any Thoughts?

FTDNA
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23andME
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Dodecad V3


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 23.91
2 West_European 21.26
3 West_Asian 17.41
4 East_European 13.98
5 South_Asian 12.25
6 Southwest_Asian 6.54
7 Southeast_Asian 2.86
8 Northwest_African 0.82
9 Northeast_Asian 0.47
10 East_African 0.29
11 Palaeo_African 0.17
12 Neo_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians_14 (Behar) 16.71
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.99
3 Balkans (Dodecad) 19.35
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.55
5 Tuscan (Xing) 19.75
6 Tuscan (Henn) 20.68
7 TSI (HapMap) 21.12
8 Slovenian (Xing) 22.83
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 22.96
10 Stalskoe (Xing) 23.02
11 Hungarians (Behar) 23.14
12 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.57
13 Greek (Dodecad) 23.61
14 C_Italian (Dodecad) 24.34
15 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 25.66
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 26.38
17 Tuscan (HGDP) 26.52
18 Sicilian (Dodecad) 26.64
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 26.82
20 Turkish (Dodecad) 27.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 33.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 6.18
2 67.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 32.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 6.25
3 69% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 31% Burusho (HGDP) @ 6.36
4 70.6% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 29.4% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 6.49
5 70% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 30% Pakistani (Xing) @ 6.56
6 64.3% Balkans (Dodecad) + 35.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 6.67
7 73.4% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 26.6% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 6.69
8 74.5% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 25.5% Meghawal (Reich) @ 6.94
9 69.7% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 30.3% Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) @ 6.94
10 73.4% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 26.6% Vaish (Reich) @ 7.02
11 67.2% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 32.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 7.14
12 76% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 24% AP_Brahmin (Xing) @ 7.24
13 67.7% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 32.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 7.25
14 63.3% Balkans (Dodecad) + 36.7% Balochi (HGDP) @ 7.26
15 63.7% Balkans (Dodecad) + 36.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 7.28
16 75.9% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 24.1% TN_Brahmin (Xing) @ 7.37
17 59.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.2% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 7.42
18 58.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 41.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 7.53
19 63.2% Balkans (Dodecad) + 36.8% Pathan (HGDP) @ 7.57
20 78.1% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 21.9% Velama (Reich) @ 7.59

MDLP

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 28.96
2 Paleo_Mediterranean 19.32
3 East_European 16.7
4 Caucasian 13.33
5 Celto_Germanic 7.21
6 Iberian 4.88
7 Altaic_Turkic 4.44
8 Balto_Finnic 2.22
9 Volga_Uralic 1.36
10 Paleo_North_European 1.27
11 Paleo_Balkanic 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RMN (Romanian) 28.97
2 BLG (Bulgarian) 29.8
3 BSN (Bosnian) 30.28
4 GGZ (Gagauz) 30.46
5 MCD (Macedonian) 32.17
6 SRB (Serbian) 32.52
7 MNT (Montenegrin) 32.74
8 HNG (Hungarian) 33.46
9 CRT (Croat) 34.08
10 SLV (Slovenian) 34.79
11 GRK (Greek) 35.14
12 CITAL (Central-Italian) 36.7
13 NITAL (North-Italian) 36.9
14 TTR (Tatar) 37.1
15 GER (German) 37.45
16 SLK (Slovak) 37.76
17 ASHK (Ashkenazi) 38.25
18 SIC (Sicilian) 38.45
19 CRS (Corsican) 39.42
20 PRT (Portuguese) 40.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.3% RMN (Romanian) + 31.7% GYP (Gypsy) @ 6.55
2 67.6% BLG (Bulgarian) + 32.4% GYP (Gypsy) @ 6.6
3 67.4% GGZ (Gagauz) + 32.6% GYP (Gypsy) @ 8.24
4 66.1% MCD (Macedonian) + 33.9% GYP (Gypsy) @ 8.56
5 66% MNT (Montenegrin) + 34% GYP (Gypsy) @ 10.2
6 66.2% SRB (Serbian) + 33.8% GYP (Gypsy) @ 10.69
7 68.5% BSN (Bosnian) + 31.5% GYP (Gypsy) @ 12.74
8 65.5% CRT (Croat) + 34.5% GYP (Gypsy) @ 12.99
9 64.7% GRK (Greek) + 35.3% GYP (Gypsy) @ 13.33
10 66.2% HNG (Hungarian) + 33.8% GYP (Gypsy) @ 13.99
11 65.3% SLV (Slovenian) + 34.7% GYP (Gypsy) @ 14.58
12 63.9% CITAL (Central-Italian) + 36.1% GYP (Gypsy) @ 15.04
13 62.9% ASHK (Ashkenazi) + 37.1% GYP (Gypsy) @ 15.99
14 63.9% NITAL (North-Italian) + 36.1% GYP (Gypsy) @ 16
15 63.1% SIC (Sicilian) + 36.9% GYP (Gypsy) @ 17.53
16 63.7% SLK (Slovak) + 36.3% GYP (Gypsy) @ 17.92
17 62.6% CRS (Corsican) + 37.4% GYP (Gypsy) @ 18.55
18 64.4% GER (German) + 35.6% GYP (Gypsy) @ 19.31
19 62.3% WUKR (West-Ukrainian) + 37.7% GYP (Gypsy) @ 19.89
20 62.3% UKR (Ukrainian) + 37.7% GYP (Gypsy) @ 20.16

[Siegfried]

What the hell? We're related!:eek:

Where in Serbia is your family from?

[Mortimer]

What the hell? We're related!:eek:

Where in Serbia is your family from?

My Family is from Voivodina (Northern Province of Serbia). Banat and Backa

[Siegfried]

My Family is from Voivodina (Northern Province of Serbia). Banat and Backa

Then, it's not unlikely that you could have some Romanian ancestry since that is pretty near to Romania and there is a Romanian minority there.

[Damião de Góis]

In ancestry finder do you have a higher romania score than serbian? It might mean there are more romanian 23andme users than serbs. My Brazil and USA scores are higher than Portugal as well.

[The Exiled King]

I too have Romania listed for me in FTDNAs Population Finder and it is one of my higher oracle matches.

[Mortimer]

In ancestry finder do you have a higher romania score than serbian? It might mean there are more romanian 23andme users than serbs. My Brazil and USA scores are higher than Portugal as well.

yes I have Romania as the highest score. Serbia is pretty low even Italy is higher then Serbia. But pretty every test tells me im partially romanian, which is quiete odd, i dont know of any romanian ancestry.

[The Exiled King]

yes I have Romania as the highest score. Serbia is pretty low even Italy is higher then Serbia. But pretty every test tells me im partially romanian, which is quiete odd, i dont know of any romanian ancestry.

Maybe the Romanians you match at 23andMe have some Roma ancestry. But with everything said Romanians are basically Slavicised thracians/dacians with a Mediterranean vibe.

[Mortimer]

Maybe the Romanians you match at 23andMe have some Roma ancestry?

maybe, everything is possible. but i dont think thats the point of what i wrote. Romania is not synonymous with Gypsy in all the Results

[The Exiled King]

maybe, everything is possible. but i dont think thats the point of what i wrote. Romania is not synonymous with Gypsy in all the Results

Since Novi Sad does border Romania there is definitely an ancient (old is a better word) but common gene flow in that area with South Slavs and Romanians. Not to mention that Dacians/Thracians were a Balkanic people as well.

[Siegfried]

Maybe the Romanians you match at 23andMe have some Roma ancestry. But with everything said Romanians are basically Slavicised thracians/dacians with a Mediterranean vibe.

You mean Latinised Slavo-Thracians/Dacians, I think.:D As far as I know, we don't speak a Slavic language.:D

[The Exiled King]

You mean Latinised Slavo-Thracians/Dacians, I think.:D As far as I know, we don't speak a Slavic language.:D

Yes! I forgot to add that they were Latinized in language (of course) but Slavicised genetically more so than Latinized IMO. Although I have seen many Romanians that could fit perfectly in Italy!

Edit: There are however some Slavic aspects to Romanian but Romanian and Sicilian are actually closer to Latin I believe than standard Italian is.

[Mortimer]

With more and updated features, this should be explored fully, maybe I really have a relation to romania but maybe it just looks like that for now. But a common geneflow between voivodina serbs and romanians could also be there and explanation

[Mortimer]

Other Results


Harappa World
Single Population Sharing:

(the higher the number, the less like it you are)

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian (behar) 14.48



Dodecad K12b
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 16.63

One Guy from 23and sometime ago run a Analysis of the K12b Dodecad and he said my main Population is Romanian


Populations Avg. % min max Generations_Ago Years_Ago
____Romanians 64.79% 64.46% 65.12% 1 25

[Onur]

IM, there is nothing wrong or surprising with that because the place called Voyvodina is a recent invention by Serbs. These places was a part of bigger region called as Banat since Avar empire, 6th century and there was no border between these territories for more than 1000 years until recent times.

[Mortimer]

IM, there is nothing wrong or surprising with that because the place called Voyvodina is a recent invention by Serbs. These places was a part of bigger region called as Banat since Avar empire, 6th century and there was no border between these territories until recently.

LOL. You cant call it a "invention by Serbs" (Its normal Serb Territory!! but thats for another discussion) but historically it was different then main/centric serbia, yes. Im curious to know with whom "pure Voivodina Serbs" cluster.

[Onur]

LOL. You cant call it a "invention by Serbs" (Its normal Serb Territory!! but thats for another discussion) but historically it was different then main/centric serbia, yes. Im curious to know with whom "pure Voivodina Serbs" cluster.
Well, it is a recent invention. Do you think Avars, Hungarians, Ottomans called this place as "Voyvodina"? There was Banat region covering northern Serbia and northern Romania, nothing else.

It shouldn't be surprising if "pure voyvodina Serbs" cluster with Hungarians and Romanians too.

So you shouldn't try to judge your DNA heritage by looking at the recent political situation.