Macedonian shepherd dog, Sharplaninec

[Vojnik]

I see the Sharplaninec as a Macedonian dog others seem to think it's Bulgarian, Serbian, Albanian and strangely even Greek.

http://www.dogcentral.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sarplaninac.jpg

They originate from the Shar Planina mountain range.
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/sireta/t/20090918115612.jpghttp://www.sharplaninec.com/photos/ArxWM.jpg

Who do you think has the rightful claim to the Sharplaninec?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Call it the Balkan dog. :coffee:

[Vojnik]

Here is Putin reciving the Sharplaninec as a gift from Borisov. The Bulgarians call it a 'Bulgarian mountain dog'.

HeS3Eq4e8Qs

[Novi Pazar]

I see the Sharplaninec as a Macedonian dog others seem to think it's Bulgarian, Serbian, Albanian and strangely even Greek.

http://www.dogcentral.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sarplaninac.jpg

They originate from the Shar Planina mountain range.
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/sireta/t/20090918115612.jpghttp://www.sharplaninec.com/photos/ArxWM.jpg

Who do you think has the rightful claim to the Sharplaninec?

Vojnik, our beautiful mottled mountain dog. I believe Sharplaninac/ec means mottled mountain in our slavic tongues :D

[Lena]

Who do you think has the rightful claim to the Sharplaninec?

Yugoslavs. After all, he was a Yugoslav shepherd dog :D

The Sarplaninac (http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/GuardianDog/Sarplaninac)

[Drawing-slim]

Its an illyrian/albanian sheep dog.
They breed them in shar dukagjini

There's famous story when alexander the great was given a dog like this by an illyrian princ..

[Panopticon]

Shar comes from Scardum. Slavs borrowed it from Albanian as their form is the same and Scardum->Shar follows Albanian phonetic rules.

It was called the Illyrian sheepdog before it was renamed to Sharplaninec. It's retarded to claim dog races as belonging to certain ethnicities, hence being a "Macedonian" dog.

Most people who have a dog in Kosova have a Sharr dog. My uncle has several of them.

[Drawing-slim]

Its an albanian sheep dog a.k.a wolf killer

[Vojnik]

They are a beautiful dog in my opinion. Here are some photos of them as puppies.


http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/T2/Vici_od_KEF8631g.jpg

http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/M3/Meca7568.jpg

http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/Meco_1/Meco5592.jpg

[Vojnik]

Its an illyrian/albanian sheep dog.
They breed them in shar dukagjini

There's famous story when alexander the great was given a dog like this by an illyrian princ..

We bread them too. I think Aristotle owned this dog.

It is a ancient Macedonian dog.
ANCIENT ORIGINS OF THE BREED
http://southernstarsarp.com/mollosi%20dog.jpghttp://southernstarsarp.com/shara%20cal%20pic.jpg
Left: Molossi "Dog of Alchibaides " Right : a Modern Sarplaninac .

[Drawing-slim]

Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1Y0i-iXVE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

There's also a french documentry filmed in 70 shwoing the dog killing two wolfs

[Vojnik]

The Molossian Theory: The Mother of Alexander the Great was Olympia who was herself a Molossian Queen from the Epirus Kingdom. It is widely believed that the Sarplaninac is directly descended from these original ‘Molossian’ sheep dogs of ancient Epirus. Some scholars believe the Sarplaninac (or it’s direct ancestors) to be the palace dog of Alexander the Great. More over, this geographic area, now know on the Serbian side as Kosovo, was once the heart of the Serbian Empire and civilization which flourished in the middle ages during the time of the Nemanja Kings. It is believed by many that this dog was at the side of King Lazar in his great battles with the invading Turks.

Aristotle, who lived in 384-322 B.C, even wrote about these famous dogs of Epirus. In his "Historia Animalium" he tells us about, among several other dog breeds, the dog from Molossia in Epirus. Aristotle praises the Molossis dogs and tells us that they served as guardians of the herds, and distinguished themselves from all other dogs through there size and indomitable courage against wild animals.

[Novi Pazar]

Shar comes from Scardum. Slavs borrowed it from Albanian as their form is the same and Scardum->Shar follows Albanian phonetic rules.

It was called the Illyrian sheepdog before it was renamed to Sharplaninec. It's retarded to claim dog races as belonging to certain ethnicities, hence being a "Macedonian" dog.

Most people who have a dog in Kosova have a Sharr dog. My uncle has several of them.

Shar Planina in Albanian is called Mali i Sharrit. The only words that Shar comes close to meaning is Sharre (saw, arm saw), Sharra (sawmill) and Shartese (graft).

On the other side, Shar Planina is a Mottled Mountain; from Serbian iSHARano (from is-harano; mottled, specked; English scar; Lat. eschara)

[Novi Pazar]

^ In my opinion the name Shar was borrowed from Slavs to become the Albanian Mali i Sharrit.

[Crn Volk]

They are beautiful animals, no matter who claims them.

[Drawing-slim]

What a bunch of crap!! This is why i hate you people, i hate your guts, you liars shameless thieves.
Its an albanian sheepdog, no if's or buts, its albanian/illryian sheepdog.

[iNird]

From Novi's source, well it was a source by mistake lulz François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville"


"After an hour's progress we descended into a deep wooded valley, containing some sheep-folds, guarded by shepherds fully armed, and by dogs of the Albanian race, which assailed us with inconceivable fury."

http://books.google.com/books?id=zz4QAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22After+an+hour%27s+progress+we+descended+into +a+deep+wooded+valley,+containing+some+sheep-folds,+guarded+by+shepherds+fully+armed,+and+by+do gs+of+the+Albanian+race,+which+assailed+us+with+in conceivable+fury.%22&source=bl&ots=vPOUjS3IQH&sig=26vzGVcwb0y9F3m4zgZx2CN2AnQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4Z8QUJ6lHYPB0QHS5oHoCg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22After%20an%20hour%27s%20progress%20we%20desce nded%20into%20a%20deep%20wooded%20valley%2C%20cont aining%20some%20sheep-folds%2C%20guarded%20by%20shepherds%20fully%20arme d%2C%20and%20by%20dogs%20of%20the%20Albanian%20rac e%2C%20which%20assailed%20us%20with%20inconceivabl e%20fury.%22&f=false

lulzzzzzzzzzzzz


:D

[Novi Pazar]

From Novi's source, well it was a source by mistake lulz François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville"



http://books.google.com/books?id=zz4QAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=%22After+an+hour%27s+progress+we+descended+into +a+deep+wooded+valley,+containing+some+sheep-folds,+guarded+by+shepherds+fully+armed,+and+by+do gs+of+the+Albanian+race,+which+assailed+us+with+in conceivable+fury.%22&source=bl&ots=vPOUjS3IQH&sig=26vzGVcwb0y9F3m4zgZx2CN2AnQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4Z8QUJ6lHYPB0QHS5oHoCg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22After%20an%20hour%27s%20progress%20we%20desce nded%20into%20a%20deep%20wooded%20valley%2C%20cont aining%20some%20sheep-folds%2C%20guarded%20by%20shepherds%20fully%20arme d%2C%20and%20by%20dogs%20of%20the%20Albanian%20rac e%2C%20which%20assailed%20us%20with%20inconceivabl e%20fury.%22&f=false

lulzzzzzzzzzzzz


:D

Okay iNird whatever you believe LMAO.....nice try though

[iNird]

Okay iNird whatever you believe LMAO.....nice try though

This idiot uses François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville as a source here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1036845&postcount=6), well he tries to use it as a source, gets proven wrong, and here I am posting directly from François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville.

It really doesn't matter what you or I believe, I just posted a source to backup the statement. You get how this works, idiot?

[Panopticon]

Shar Planina in Albanian is called Mali i Sharrit. The only words that Shar comes close to meaning is Sharre (saw, arm saw), Sharra (sawmill) and Shartese (graft).

On the other side, Shar Planina is a Mottled Mountain; from Serbian iSHARano (from is-harano; mottled, specked; English scar; Lat. eschara)

Do you think that I'm speculating? I'm not. Shar comes from (correction; not Scardum) Scardus, Scodrus or Scordus. It is an antique toponym; it was mentioned by Polybius and Ptolemy.

[Novi Pazar]

This idiot uses François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville as a source here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1036845&postcount=6), well he tries to use it as a source, gets proven wrong, and here I am posting directly from François Charles Hugues Laurent Pouqueville.

It really doesn't matter what you or I believe, I just posted a source to backup the statement. You get how this works, idiot?

You didn't prove anything, nice try thou LMAO

[Novi Pazar]

Do you think that I'm speculating? I'm not. Shar comes from (correction, not Scardum) Scardus. It is an antique toponym; it was mentioned by Polybius and Ptolemy.

Horten, listen, l know this topic is about the Shar Planinec Kuce (dog). Let me tell you, anything prior to 1081AD is only SPECULATIVE (Albanian history), seriously, am l going to believe the theory of Albanians hiding up in the mountains from Barbaric Slavs to only come down LATER and call those same mountains in Slavic fashion? Sharr in Albanian is the obvious borrowing from Slavs!

[Panopticon]

Horten, listen, l know this topic is about the Shar Planinec Kuce (dog). Let me tell you, anything prior to 1081AD is only SPECULATIVE (Albanian history), seriously, am l going to believe the theory of Albanians hiding up in the mountains from Barbaric Slavs to only come down LATER and call those same mountains in Slavic fashion? Sharr in Albanian is the obvious borrowing from Slavs!

You can't escape from the fact that the Shar mountains were called Scardus by antique Greek historians and geographers. And Scardus->Shar follows Albanian phonetic rules.

I know you, Novi Pazar, so cut the crap. If you address me, then leave logical fallacies out of it, like these non-sequiturs.

[Novi Pazar]

You can't escape from the fact that the Shar mountains were called Scardus by antique Greek historians and geographers. And Scardus->Shar follows Albanian phonetic rules.

I know you, Novi Pazar, so cut the crap. If you address me, then leave logical fallacies out of it, like these non-sequiturs.

Scardus to Shar follows Albanian phonetic RULES....oh c'mon this is crazy. Besides, modern Albanian is a mismash of Balkan VULGAR Latin (Vlach), Balkan Slavic (Serbian and Macedonian), Greek and Turkish. Finally, we all know Shqiptare-Albanian is classed in the Satem division not Centum.

Anyway, let the peoples talk about the dog :cool:

[carol]

Beautiful dogs-and they look so strong too. When you posted about them, I looked online, and I saw some breeders are starting to sell puppies here in the US. I hope that you all consider that a good thing, so the dogs can be shared with the rest of the world and the breed strengthen and continues. Are they good as house pets or are they dogs that herd and protect the farm animals? Are they good with children?

[Crn Volk]

Beautiful dogs-and they look so strong too. When you posted about them, I looked online, and I saw some breeders are starting to sell puppies here in the US. I hope that you all consider that a good thing, so the dogs can be shared with the rest of the world and the breed strengthen and continues. Are they good as house pets or are they dogs that herd and protect the farm animals? Are they good with children?

Yes, there are breeders in Australia too. They are great house pets. Very loyal and great protectors, especially of children.

[Drawing-slim]

Beautiful dogs-and they look so strong too. When you posted about them, I looked online, and I saw some breeders are starting to sell puppies here in the US. I hope that you all consider that a good thing, so the dogs can be shared with the rest of the world and the breed strengthen and continues. Are they good as house pets or are they dogs that herd and protect the farm animals? Are they good with children?They're called the gentle giants.
But for protection are better then tiger at home.
Those dogs are wolf killers, one dong alonr can take on a gang of wolfs

So if you have a private house in a middle of the worst ghetto in america, just let this dog free at night in you property and leave your doors unlocked without worry

[Novi Pazar]

Yes, there are breeders in Australia too. They are great house pets. Very loyal and great protectors, especially of children.

Hey Sokol, l might as well ask, do you know any breeders from Australia?

[El Gre]

Its origin is not clear; it is believed that their ancestors were the ancient Molosser dogs of Greece

Its comical to watch Slavs and Albos throwing hissy fits over a dog, but in the end of the day chalk up another one for the good guys.

Its clear it has its origins in Epirus with the Molossians who were a Greek tribe.
You can now carry on fighting!

[Crn Volk]

Hey Sokol, l might as well ask, do you know any breeders from Australia?

There isn't that many. Try these guys;

http://southernstarsarp.com/index-old.htm

[Novi Pazar]

There isn't that many. Try these guys;

http://southernstarsarp.com/index-old.htm

Thanks mate....cool!

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

They are a beautiful dog in my opinion. Here are some photos of them as puppies.


http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/T2/Vici_od_KEF8631g.jpg

http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/M3/Meca7568.jpg

http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/Meco_1/Meco5592.jpg

official cute thread :eyes:eyes:eyes

want one..whatever you call him

[Panopticon]

Scardus to Shar follows Albanian phonetic RULES....oh c'mon this is crazy. Besides, modern Albanian is a mismash of Balkan VULGAR Latin (Vlach), Balkan Slavic (Serbian and Macedonian), Greek and Turkish. Finally, we all know Shqiptare-Albanian is classed in the Satem division not Centum.

Anyway, let the peoples talk about the dog :cool:

Didn't I just tell you not to address me with logical fallacies? Look argument from incredulity and non-sequitur up.


Its comical to watch Slavs and Albos throwing hissy fits over a dog, but in the end of the day chalk up another one for the good guys.

Its clear it has its origins in Epirus with the Molossians who were a Greek tribe.
You can now carry on fighting!

As I've already said, claiming dogs as belonging to a certain ethnicity is retarded. To misinterpret a dispute over the etmology of a toponym isn't retarded but it's still stupid, and to add on that, it's both comical and ironic.

[Novi Pazar]

Didn't I just tell you not to address me with logical fallacies? Look argument from incredulity and non-sequitur up.

As I've already said, claiming dogs as belonging to a certain ethnicity is retarded. To misinterpret a dispute over the etmology of a toponym isn't retarded but it's still stupid, and to add on that, it's both comical and ironic.

Please, no need to get up-tight about it all. I just what l said, not my fault you can't handle it. No need to play this righteous game that Albanians never were interested in Albanianising everything....please!

[Panopticon]

Please, no need to get up-tight about it all. I just what l said, not my fault you can't handle it. No need to play this righteous game that Albanians never were interested in Albanianising everything....please!

An ad-hominem and a non-sequitur. Seriously, I wouldn't be so "uptight" if you could just answer me with something that isn't irrelevant and isn't a logical fallacy. Can you stop being such a.....?

[Vojnik]

Their is also another well known theory that the sharplaninec originates from Mongolia, where today their is a similar type of dog bread.

[Novi Pazar]

An ad-hominem and a non-sequitur. Seriously, I wouldn't be so "uptight" if you could just answer me with something that isn't irrelevant and isn't a logical fallacy. Can you stop being such a fucking retard?

Groet, again, you haven't even answered anything saying Sharr is Scordus?????

Anyway, you think our Yugoslav Sheepdog is beautiful?

[Lithium]

Why does it have to be exactly Macedonian? :) We use it here as a very common and even national dog. Maybe it's just a Balkan dog

[Midori]

Why does it have to be exactly Macedonian? :) We use it here as a very common and even national dog. Maybe it's just a Balkan dog

Cause its place of origin is Shar Planina, Western Macedonia

[Gospodine]

I think it's a misnomer to call it either Albanian or Maco.

Just call it the Balkan Sheep Dog. What's wrong with that?

Let's be honest, Balkan people don't really give two shits about animal rights and you guys pretending like you care about the Dog breed is retarded.
You just want to claim more things your own.

[Drawing-slim]

Its an albanian dog, quit being shamelessly ungreatfull.

[Gospodine]

Its an albanian dog, quit being shamelessly ungreatfull.

You can't prove it decisively either way. Vague toponymic connections do not prove this breed originated in what is now Albania.

[Vojnik]

I think it's a misnomer to call it either Albanian or Maco.

Just call it the Balkan Sheep Dog. What's wrong with that?

Let's be honest, Balkan people don't really give two shits about animal rights and you guys pretending like you care about the Dog breed is retarded.
You just want to claim more things your own.

Agreed, it's should just be named the Balkan sheep or shepherd dog, excluding Albania. :D just kidding Albs.

[Ushtari]

Scardus to Shar follows Albanian phonetic RULES....oh c'mon this is crazy.
Yes it does


Çabej points out that villages in the Balkans are generally of recent date and changeable settlement. Hence for the study of toponyms city names and rivers are best. If we inspect such names attested by ancient sources, we find that many follow Albanian phonological development: Scardus > Shar, with no metathesis, as in Scardona > Skradin. Scodra > Shkodër; Çabej remarks that sk- > h- belonged to the pre-Balkan period, and compares (VII Congresso internazionale 244), for phonology, shkamb < scamnum and kulshedër < chersydrus. (Rogame is a recent suffixation in -ame of rëge, and therefore no problem because of the medial -g-.) Barbanna > Buenë is regular, as shown by Jokl (IF 1932: 50.33 ff.), Slavia (1934-1935:13.286 ff.), Glotta (1936:25.121 B.). Lissus > Lesh (cf. missa > meshë, etc.); Çabej points out (VII Congresso intemazionale 245) that Latin + CC is regular, a statement I can neither affirm nor control at the moment. Dyrrachium > Durrës, Isamnus > Ishm, Drivastum > Drisht show, as Krahe claims, the Illyrian initial accent. Shkum(b)î < Scampinus is regular in the Central Albanian dialect, where pretonic ë > u and mb > m are expectable (VII Congresso internazionale 246). Aulwn > Vlorë may perhaps involve a Slavic intermediary. Thyamis > Çamëria, as Leake saw in 1814, is accepted by Çabej; however, one might expect s < t (cf. pus 'well' < Lat. puteus). Arachthos > Arta is supposedly better explained by Albanian than by Greek; but, apart from the surprising syncope, kt should yield ft or jt, and not t, from that time level. Ragusium (Ragusa) is Rush in Bogdan (1685).
Source (http://books.google.se/books?id=5pCBRsfJMv8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=ancient+indo+european+dialects&source=bl&ots=nx5zFpMWpk&sig=xURJw3WAs7CH0xrZCfIH3zj5NSs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxkRUPrGJonk4QSBiICQBA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=ancient%20indo%20european%20dialects&f=false)


Besides, modern Albanian is a mismash of Balkan VULGAR Latin (Vlach), Balkan Slavic (Serbian and Macedonian), Greek and Turkish.
Then how come its not closely related to any of these? :rolleyes:


Finally, we all know Shqiptare-Albanian is classed in the Satem division not Centum.
Your point being?

[morski]

Here is Putin reciving the Sharplaninec as a gift from Borisov. The Bulgarians call it a 'Bulgarian mountain dog'.

HeS3Eq4e8Qs

We call it Българско овчарско куче/ Bulgarian shepherd dog or Каракачанска овчарка/ Karakachani shepherd.

And what the cinologists here breed under this name looks a bit different than the dogs in the OP.

[Bugarash]

How is this a macedonian dog when more tyhan half of the region from where it originates is albanian?

[Bugarash]

Here is Putin reciving the Sharplaninec as a gift from Borisov. The Bulgarians call it a 'Bulgarian mountain dog'.

HeS3Eq4e8Qs

Please get educated

opening threads about subjects you dont know just shows how much you're...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakachan_Dog

[Archduke]

Their is also another well known theory that the sharplaninec originates from Mongolia, where today their is a similar type of dog bread.

So it should be Bulgarian then. :coffee:

[Duke]

It was made by mixin' Caucasian ovcharka, and some local smaller breed..

... if this was an Albanian breed, it would indeed confirm their Caucasus origins :D

Balkan was an origin of hounds, big dogs came from east

[Bugarash]

Its an albanian dog, quit being shamelessly ungreatfull.

The dog is bulgarian

it can be found in the mountain region between Macedonia and the Gorani community in Kosovo!

[Panopticon]

Groet, again, you haven't even answered anything saying Sharr is Scordus?????

Anyway, you think our Yugoslav Sheepdog is beautiful?

Those mountains were called Scardus, Scordus and Scodrus by Greek scholars from antiquity. The development of Scardus to Shar follows Albanian phonetic rules, something that has been established by linguists and is accepted by all linguists. I have already told you this.

It's not 'your' Yugoslav Sheepdog, troll. It's not beautiful, but it's a very nice dog, and it has its own charm. Unlike you, I have been in the presence of multitudes of these dogs as my family members have several of these, so I would know about its charm.


You can't prove it decisively either way. Vague toponymic connections do not prove this breed originated in what is now Albania.

"Vague" isn't the right word. Although I have said it repeatedly, it's retarded to claim a dog as being "Albanian", "Macedonian", "Greek", etc. The toponym discussion didn't have anything to do with the dog, not from my side at least. Why are you all so stupid?

[Gospodine]

Why are you all so stupid?

Getting bent out of shape over a fcking canine?

http://helli6n.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/homer_facepalm-e1284165030739.jpg

It's like you guys are so insecure and paranoid about your origins, that you can't stand to concede anything at all to a neighbouring country... even if we were talking about the name of a species of ant you would probably defend it's "Albanian-ness" to the death.

You guys really need to do something about this inferiority complex that pervades your culture.

You don't even have anything to cry about... nobody's tried to claim Albanians or ethnically cleanse Albania ffs.

So either stfu about your Illyrian/Albanian bullsh*t and stop ramming it down everyone's throats or concede the fact that your identity is about as well-understood as the Big Bang.

P.S. You forgot to say "Slavs".

[Illirico]

Its origin is not clear; it is believed that their ancestors were the ancient Molosser dogs of Greece and the livestock guarding dogs of Turkey.

The breed was initially recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) in 1939 as the Illyrian Shepherd Dog, after the Ancient name of the region.

In 1957, at the request of the Yugoslav Canine Federation (JKS), the FCI changed the name to Yugoslav Shepherd Dog-Šarplaninac,:rolleyes: after the Šar Mountains (Šar Planina in South Slavic languages) where the breed is most common.[4][5]
The image of the Šarplaninac is featured on the reverse of the Macedonian 1 denar coin, issued in 1993,[6] :laugh: and on the emblem of Dragaš, a town in southern Kosovo, located in the Šar Mountains region


Ps: Also Alexander the Great is becoming as "FYROM-Slavo-Vardaskian.Macedonian" in 1993:swl


My opinion is that this dog is an Balkan Dog, today it is used by all balkan people, STOP. Maybe, originally, this dog were used by the ancient pastoral peoples who lived in the Modern Balkans that were illyrians but this is not important, this do not make this dog "fyromian", "yugoslavian", "serbian", "bulgarian", "albanian" etc:)

[Illirico]

It was made by mixin' Caucasian ovcharka, and some local smaller breed..

... if this was an Albanian breed, it would indeed confirm their Caucasus origins :D

Balkan was an origin of hounds, big dogs came from east

AGAIN???


http://pietrodn.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/dalema-meme.jpg


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Panopticon]

Getting bent out of shape over a fcking canine?

http://helli6n.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/homer_facepalm-e1284165030739.jpg

It's like you guys are so insecure and paranoid about your origins, that you can't stand to concede anything at all to a neighbouring country... even if we were talking about the name of a species of ant you would probably defend it's "Albanian-ness" to the death.

You guys really need to do something about this inferiority complex that pervades your culture.

You don't even have anything to cry about... nobody's tried to claim Albanians or ethnically cleanse Albania ffs.

So either stfu about your Illyrian/Albanian bullsh*t and stop ramming it down everyone's throats or concede the fact that your identity is about as well-understood as the Big Bang.

P.S. You forgot to say "Slavs".

Do you understand why I am calling you, including the rest, stupid? Because you totally misinterpret anything and everything. I have repeated myself several times now: I do not claim the dog as being "Albanian" or anything, retard. I have repeated several times that it's stupid to claim dogs as being "Albanian", "Macedonian" or anything. Is this so fucking impossible to read? How can you misinterpret something as simple as that? Is your unibrow preventing you from reading and comprehending?

I'll try to put it as simple for you: the discussion was about the Shar toponym itself, not the dog. I can't give you any help beyond that.

I didn't ram down anything about Illyrians down anyone's throat, so stfu. Our identity is quite well understood, that you don't understand it is because you're a fucking retard who hasn't read about it. Do you think I fucking care that you're ignorant? Btw, the Big Bang is rather well understood, I should know. The problem is, again, your own understanding of it.

Now, stop with the straw-manning, non-sequiturs, putting words in my mouth, arguments from ignorance, etc. Finally, admit your fault; that you have completely misinterpreted me, whether on purpose or not.

Oh, and weren't you supposed to discuss with me over PMs about the Illyrian thing? I have yet to see any PM from you. Why is that? Did you even plan to do that? I doubt it.

[alb0zfinest]

Delete please

[kabeiros]

Albanian, Fyromian, Bulgarian, Greek who gives a shit anyway. It's a great dog, my shepherd grand-father owned two of them and I was lucky to grow up with them. Sadly, both of them died relatively young (somekind of disease)

[Lena]

Oh, and weren't you supposed to discuss with me over PMs about the Illyrian thing? I have yet to see any PM from you. Why is that? Did you even plan to do that? I doubt it.

I am always amazed when see something like the above. Don't know how many PMs I exchanged with the ppl here and other forums, but no matter how mad or irritated I might be with the certain person, I never-ever had an urge to post in public something which is said in private.
Do we really need to know what two of you are talking about in private?!

[Bugarash]

Albanian, Fyromian, Bulgarian, Greek who gives a shit anyway. It's a great dog, my shepherd grand-father owned two of them and I was lucky to grow up with them. Sadly, both of them died relatively young (somekind of disease)

Since when you have that breed in in Greece?

[alb0zfinest]

I am always amazed when see something like the above. Don't know how many PMs I exchanged with the ppl here and other forums, but no matter how mad or irritated I might be with the certain person, I never-ever had an urge to post in public something which is said in private.
Do we really need to know what two of you are talking about in private?!

He said they were going to speak about Illyrians omg omg he revealed everything! how could he? :rolleyes: . He didn't mention anything specific so who cares? and even if he did, they're speaking about ILLYRIANS any argument they use is already available to the public.

[Lena]

Delete please


He didn't mention anything specific so who cares?

The one who needed to edit his previous post to 'delete please' in order to respond further. lol

Edit: Now, pls, let's keep it at this...no need to argue about it at all.

[kabeiros]

Since when you have that breed in in Greece?

I don't know and I don't care

[Bugarash]

I don't know and I don't care

You should start to care
people like you brought Greece in the current situation yeh know:rolleyes2:

[Panopticon]

I am always amazed when see something like the above. Don't know how many PMs I exchanged with the ppl here and other forums, but no matter how mad or irritated I might be with the certain person, I never-ever had an urge to post in public something which is said in private.
Do we really need to know what two of you are talking about in private?!

The only reason you're amazed is because you're as thick as the earth's crust. Where did I say something about anything that was private? I revealed nothing and there was nothing to reveal in the first place.

I'll just show you this: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1033348&postcount=134

I have yet to see any PM from him, even though he was going to reply to me in a PM. He did so because he wanted to save face, hence no PM. I don't see what's wrong with asking for the PM from my side though, he lies to save his face, I tell the truth to ruin his face. This is what people get for being assholes.

So before you accuse someone of anything, get some insight first. I will excuse you since English is not your first language and not a language you master all too well, however.

[kabeiros]

You should start to care
people like you brought Greece in the current situation yeh know:rolleyes2:

Because if I start searching about the origin of this dog, Greece will become glorious again, eee???

[Piparskeggr]

If I may, as an outsider viewing from the sidelines?

The sense I get is that this breed is older than any of the current ethnicities vying to claim it as their own.

Whatever their origins in either history or legend, they look like a fine animal and the descriptions seem to bear out this impression.

[alb0zfinest]

The one who needed to edit his previous post to 'delete please' in order to respond further. lol

Edit: Now, pls, let's keep it at this...no need to argue about it at all.

what are you talking about? the previous comment had nothing to do with what i said there. In the first comment it said: O no he didn't when i quoted Illyrian, to try and joke around. But then i saw it as childish so i edited and requested for the comment to be deleted.

[Mordid]

HeS3Eq4e8Qs
Nice Slav time?

[Drawing-slim]

Would you people shut the fuck up for 10 seconds!
The dog is obviously albanian, his natural instinct is to hate slavs and kill wolfs.
Both slav balkanians and wolfs have one thing in common, the're both intruders both scavages.
So this dog has developed the same traits as the rightfull owners, albanians.
Gentle giants but if you mess with, you'll get it.
Same thing with albos, we love peace but you mess with us, we'll take revenge.

The most interesting part of this, the breeder of this dog for generations, albanian from Sharr explains: the dog when is bread from albanians turns out a gentle giant but a very very brave and smart dog when is needed to make those decisions on its own.
On the other side however, when serbs and slavs breed the dog, the dog becames agressive with everyone, even towards family memebers.

Even dogs shoves it in your face balkan slavs!

[Crn Volk]

Would you people shut the fuck up for 10 seconds!
The dog is obviously albanian, his natural instinct is to hate slavs and kill wolfs.
Both slav balkanians and wolfs have one thing in common, the're both intruders both scavages.
So this dog has developed the same traits as the rightfull owners, albanians.
Gentle giants but if you mess with, you'll get it.
Same thing with albos, we love peace but you mess with us, we'll take revenge.

The most interesting part of this, the breeder of this dog for generations, albanian from Sharr explains: the dog when is bread from albanians turns out a gentle giant but a very very brave and smart dog when is needed to make those decisions on its own.
On the other side however, when serbs and slavs breed the dog, the dog becames agressive with everyone, even towards family memebers.

Even dogs shoves it in your face balkan slavs!

My Sarplaninec eats shiptars for breakfast :thumb001:

[Drawing-slim]

My Sarplaninec eats shiptars for breakfast :thumb001:

Another interesting fact: these dogs even if they're raised and bread by slavs if an albnian was to speak to them in albanian the dog immidiatly will take orders under albanian language, the language of their masters obviously.

So if i was to aproach you sokol when you're walking your dog, all i've to do is order your dog to bite you in te ass for trolling here nonstop.

[Crn Volk]

Another interesting fact: these dogs even if they're raised and bread by slavs if an albnian was to speak to them in albanian the dog immidiatly will take orders under albanian language, the language of their masters obviously.

So if i was to aproach you sokol when you're walking your dog, all i've to do is order your dog to bite you in te ass for trolling here nonstop.


http://chzhistoriclols.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/31842f02-9e47-4af8-bdba-c49887d5d92d.jpg

[Drawing-slim]

You can say whatever you want about us, but make sure your dog is not around. for your safety:D

[Vojnik]

Nice Slav time?

What? I don't understand your question.

[Absinthe]

In a small village on the slopes of Mt.Olympus where I had stayed for a few days, the hotel owners had a dog like this one. He was called "Ares" :love:

He was the most imposing and frightening creature I had seen and at the same time I fell "in love" with him because he had the heart of an angel :)

He was extremely friendly and playful, he came to me when I called and licked me on the face. I brought left overs from my meal (it was lamb chops) and I fed him and then he was following me around during my stay. I sat down on the porch, he came and rested his head on my lap, I almost cried :) I have never bonded with a dog like that (I am a cat person) :)

On the day I was packing to leave, he did the unthinkable:
I was standing in front of the car, putting my luggage inside, and Ares somehow *sensed*? that I was leaving, he came running from some field where he had been wandering about, he was covered in snow, and as soon as we were face to face, he stood on his back legs and hugged me like a human does to another human :eek: :love:

I was so touched that I had tears running down my cheeks :) What a great dog! It's amazing how smart and friendly and intuitive these dogs are. Who gives a fuck where they come from, they love humans who love them back, and that's all that matters. ;)

[Queen B]

You should start to care
people like you brought Greece in the current situation yeh know:rolleyes2:
People that own a dog?
:rotfl:

[Vojnik]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2m5zcxj.jpg

:)

[Drawing-slim]

In a small village on the slopes of Mt.Olympus where I had stayed for a few days, the hotel owners had a dog like this one. He was called "Ares" :love:

He was the most imposing and frightening creature I had seen and at the same time I fell "in love" with him because he had the heart of an angel :)

He was extremely friendly and playful, he came to me when I called and licked me on the face. I brought left overs from my meal (it was lamb chops) and I fed him and then he was following me around during my stay. I sat down on the porch, he came and rested his head on my lap, I almost cried :) I have never bonded with a dog like that (I am a cat person) :)

On the day I was packing to leave, he did the unthinkable:
I was standing in front of the car, putting my luggage inside, and Aressomehow *sensed*? that I was leaving, he came running from some field where he had been wandering about, he was covered in snow, and as soon as
we were face to face, he stood on his back legs and hugged me like a human does to another human :eek: :love:

I was so touched that I had tears running down my cheeks :) What a great
dog! It's amazing how smart and friendly and intuitive these dogs are. Who gives a fuck where they come from, they love humans who love them back, and that's all that matters. ;)Of course the dog bonded with you. And of course he was sad when you left. You're albanian thats why, but i told you that already.

[Queen B]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2m5zcxj.jpg

:)
Cuuuute!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course the dog bonded with you. And of course he was sad when you left. You're albanian thats why, but i told you that already.
What a troll!

[Absinthe]

Of course the dog bonded with you. And of course he was sad when you left. You're albanian thats why, but i told you that already.
Now that figures!! He sniffed my latent Illyrian DNA. Of course! :lightbul:

[Bugarash]

The dog is bulgarian!
it is found in the bulgarian ethnic territory!

[Crn Volk]

The dog is bulgarian!
it is found in the bulgarian ethnic territory!

In Pliska?

[rashka]

Šarplaninac
Shara meaning pattern in Serbian. Planina meaning mountain plains in Serbian. Therefore the dog comes from the "patterned mountains" - snow-mottled mountains.


Thank you.


Soooo cute...
http://www.koinfo.org/Chara%20and%20Chemal%20031208%20098.jpg

[rashka]

What a bunch of crap!! This is why i hate you people, i hate your guts, you liars shameless thieves.Its an albanian sheepdog, no if's or buts, its albanian/illryian sheepdog.

I suggest you go on a good ADHD diet (http://www.npr.org/2011/03/12/134456594/study-diet-may-help-adhd-kids-more-than-drugs) while on your ban.

[Drawing-slim]

Šarplaninac
Shara meaning pattern in Serbian. Planina meaning mountain plains in Serbian. Therefore the dog comes from the "patterned mountains" - snow-mottled mountains.


Thank you.


Soooo cute...
http://www.koinfo.org/Chara%20and%20Chemal%20031208%20098.jpgYou need a shrink to bring you back to the
reall world, not a diet.
Remember when you serbs came to balkans yesterday and killed not only albanians, but also these cute dogs that were marching fearlesly at you intruder savages?
I guess you frogot because you're high on serbian logic.

[Crn Volk]

Slavs brought some wolves with them to Balkans. This fine dog here is indigenous.

The dog is indigenous, Albanians are not.

[Drawing-slim]

Slavs brought some wolves with them to Balkans. This fine dog here is indigenous.

This makes crystal clear sense. Axellent point.
This dog is the number one wolf killer, and hates wolfs more then anything.
Wich explains while albanians hate serbs as well.

Case closed.

[Novi Pazar]

Thankyou Rashka for your input. As it is, the Albanians have borrowed heavily from us Slavs. Kaplan Resuli did make mention in his interview with a Macedonian news agency, that if the Ottomans came 200 years later, the Albanian-Shqiptar language would had been completely Slavicised. I advise many here to have a read of Kaplan-Resuli's interview....maybe one of the Macedonians in this forum can post it for us and make a thread about it :D

[Novi Pazar]

Your forefathers were speaking Šiptar language.

This retarded pro-Serb Kaplan communist is less valid than Dobrica Cosic Nobel prize winner, the father of Serbian Nation: "We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. "Lying is the highest virtue of the Serbian people.''

My forefathers were speaking Albanian-Shqiptar? My forefathers were speaking Slavic for 500 years before an Albanian-Shqiptar were brought to the Shkumbini to fight Serbs in the Serbo-Byzantine war. Serbs gave Albanian-Shqiptars mercy because they were on the losing side of this battle.

I know Albanians have Cosic and Malcolm to rely on when histroical truths are shown in their faces.

[Drawing-slim]

Who keeps deleting my posts!?

[Drawing-slim]

I know Albanians have Cosic and Malcolm to rely on when histroical truths are shown in their faces.its universally a fellony charge if anyone uses the words "serb" and "truth" in one single sentence.
Be careful moron.

[Queen B]

its universally a fellony charge if anyone uses the words "serb" and "truth" in one single sentence.
Be careful moron.

Be carefull of your language . You can disagree with a respectfull manner

[Drawing-slim]

Be carefull of your language . You can disagree with a respectfull mannerOk dande, but you know he is a twisted liar, and thats alot more offensive.

[Novi Pazar]

So did l lie that Shar in Serbian means mottled? Did l lie of the undisputable FACT that Albanian-Shqiptars were RECORDED for the first time to inhabit the Shkumbini in 1081AD approx 450 to 500 years after Serboi?

[Queen B]

Ok dande, but you know he is a twisted liar, and thats alot more offensive.

If you think he is lying, you have every right to prove him wrong with your words, facts and sources.

Debates and different opinions are welcomed, as long as they are done in a polite manner.

[Novi Pazar]

^ Thankyou, thats what l want!

[Drawing-slim]

...

[Drawing-slim]

If you think he is lying, you have every right to prove him wrong with your words, facts and sources.

Debates and different opinions are welcomed, as long as they are done in a polite manner.You know very well that no one has the patience to argue with a lying robot machine.

And besides, how many times do we have to prove them wrong in this forum alone, these idiots!?
Once its not enough, ok, so we did it 2billion times, now they ask to get their ass kicked some more!?
Jesus lord in heaven, these serbs are starting ti sound like those ladies wich are addicted to spanking:D

[Queen B]

You know very well that no one has the patience to argue with a lying robot machine.

And besides, how many times do we have to prove them wrong in this forum alone, these idiots!?
Once its not enough, ok, so we did it 2billion times, now they ask to get their ass kicked some more!?
Jesus lord in heaven, these serbs are starting ti sound like those ladies wich are addicted to spanking:D

I don't care if you have the patience or not. If you want to argue, do it in a polite manner.
If you are bored to ''prove them wrong'' then don't answer.
Speaking that way won't make you look ''right'' and them look ''wrong'' .

All stay civil and debate nicely :writing_thinking:

[Drawing-slim]

I don't care if you have the patience or not. If you want to argue, do it in a polite manner.
If you are bored to ''prove them wrong'' then don't answer.
Speaking that way won't make you look ''right'' and them look ''wrong'' .

All stay civil and debate nicely :writing_thinking:
But seriously dande:D you know i have a point here. You being here awhile and witness all arguments over time. It seems like they have a more serious problem, as i pointed out.



Lool

[Queen B]

But seriously dande:D you know i have a point here. You being here awhile and witness all arguments over time. It seems like they have a more serious problem, as i pointed out.

Lool
I m not going to get involved in your debate (your : Albanians and Serbians).
Its not something I am generally aware of, or care enough,too.
Its pretty much obvious, that I prefer to debate about my country and not other countries.
I just want you to stay polite, and if you do, debate as much as you like .:D

[RoyBatty]

I love this thread for its entertainment value. :D
The dog is beautiful too =)

[Vojnik]

Most of my posts here got deleted by fyromian mod, they weren't even offensive, not even close to Sokol's level who didnt keep to the topic.

I deleeted all the off topic, including Sokol's. Do you have a problem?

[Novi Pazar]

^ Vojnik brate can you please delete mine and iNirds posts in this page, why has his stupidity remained?

[Crn Volk]

I love this thread for its entertainment value. :D
The dog is beautiful too =)


You should have seen the deleted posts :thumb001:

[HERK]

This dog doesn't belong to any nation, it belongs to the region it lives and thats it. The most important thing is that it is such a beautiful and powerful dog and we should be proud to have it on our region (Balkan).