The Death of Johannesburg

[Loki]

Saw some shocking pictures here (http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/) of the decline of inner city Johannesburg, South Africa.

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[lei.talk]

No nation is so big and so powerful that it does not fall prey to the iron laws of the survival of its civilization. A civilization will continue intact as long as the people, or race, who built that civilization, remain present.

As soon as those originating people disappear, or are assimilated into a new racial group, then that original civilization will "fall" or become changed to reflect the new racial population make-up.

In each and every one of these cases, the original White population was displaced by an immigrant non-White or mixed-race population. The very nature of those civilizations was changed as the new, largely mixed-race population, was unable to maintain the original technical and cultural levels of the White civilization. These civilizations "fell" because the people who created them, vanished.

And now, as the United States of America starts to change its racial make-up, the same factors are at work: formerly White cities are turning into ruins, quite literally. To view the modern US equivalents of the ruins of White civilization, follow the individual city links listed below.


The Ruins of Detroit (http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet.htm)
New York City (http://www.white-history.com/hwrnyc.htm)
Washington DC (http://www.white-history.com/hwrwdc.htm)
Newark (http://www.white-history.com/hwrnew.htm)
Philadelphia (http://www.white-history.com/hwrphilly.htm)
St. Louis (http://www.white-history.com/hwrstlou.htm)


- March of the Titans (http://www.white-history.com/UScities.htm)
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[EWtt]

That is their way of life, they seem to have no comprehension about culture or morals. No Western country should end up that way but unfortunately the flow of third world immigrants keeps continuing. When they achieve a majority and become uncontrollable, this will be the result.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

This is NOW see the date.
In the first photo you see what was built by a white builder(extreme left) and right next to it a Black builder appointed by the Black Economic Empowerment(BEE) the building collapsed 3 death,No whites)
In both photos you will see that the concrete which should hold the second floor, has no steel frame in the concrete..
The problem of these BEE chappies is that they do not know how to built

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This picture is about everywhere in South Africa
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee255/Dokkie_G/Somalianinyourgarden2.jpg

[Electronic God-Man]

I found this article by some black S. African and I just need to post a part of it to make sure that I am not seeing things or misunderstanding this person.

First we get some of the common drivel:


The glaring persistence of racism in South Africa and authorities’ routine handling of such incidents suggests that South Africans remain intimidated by the apartheid heritage. White South Africans have been let off the hook too easily. Black anger and resentment have been clearly dealt with through the TRC. But as Kollapen euphemistically put it, “…white South Africa was not really given the opportunity to engage with what happened in the past.” The result is that many white South Africans continue to hold very strongly to apartheid-based racist beliefs and are growing increasingly bold in acting out those beliefs. The South African nation is held to ransom by, and is unable to rebuke or respond adequately to, this small racist element in society.

There is nothing routine about racism and it is not something that should be simply accepted as matter of fact. Every incident of racism needs to be dealt instantly and with deserving severity no matter how isolated or remote. The nation needs to reprieve itself from the racist past and do so quickly. A society that respects the fundamental rights of all its citizens cannot tread softly when such rights for some are so flagrantly violated as in the case of the UFS workers. Only in this way can racists be made to appreciate that there are consequences; and potential victims given the awareness and empowered to resist such victimization.

But then we find something rather odd:

I remember one place in particular. It was in a restaurant/bar in the airport in Johannesburg. I had gone in to find someplace less crowded in the teaming airport. I found myself surrounded by a gaggle of white toddlers. There were four of them between the ages of two and four years. I felt from them a certain unspoken assertion of dominance that questioned my presence in that bar. Their parents sat nearby. The kids hovered menacingly around me, but their adult minders made no attempt to call them off and give the stranger his space. I think I knew how the old crocodile must feel in his pool, buffeted by succulent hippo calves under the watchful eye of their fat parents.

WTF!?!!? This man must be mental. Did he really just say that a bunch of white toddlers were asserting their dominance over him and questioning his presence?

...I don't know what else to say about this one...

Here's the source: http://www.imdiversity.com/Villages/global/civil_human_equal_rights/SouthAfricaUFS.asp

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I found this article by some black S. African and I just need to post a part of it to make sure that I am not seeing things or misunderstanding this person.

First we get some of the common drivel:


But then we find something rather odd:


WTF!?!!? This man must be mental. Did he really just say that a bunch of white toddlers were asserting their dominance over him and questioning his presence?

...I don't know what else to say about this one...

Here's the source: http://www.imdiversity.com/Villages/global/civil_human_equal_rights/SouthAfricaUFS.asp

First off,Jody Kollapen is a racist himself,he is from the Human rights commission and an out and out racist Coolie.Even the Muslim community say so.
Secondly,the majority of the whites do not intermingle privately but in business they do mingle.
Third it is Mbeki's fault that the whites have withdrawn,he is so anti white that it is not funny anymore.
Fourthly,the writer of this article is hallucinating. Yes white kids do like to approach ANY person in an Airport hall,be he a black or a white,that is born into a white kid,White kids do like to explore and are rowdy,whereas black kids are more subdued.
Later in life it are the white pubers who are subdued and the black ones go over board.

Obi should first look at the Naaigerians at home,and at the bunch of financial criminals in South africa

[Alison]

The inner city is being lovingly restored. There are still parts that are very run down, but it's great to see how beautiful our city is becoming.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

The inner city is being lovingly restored. There are still parts that are very run down, but it's great to see how beautiful our city is becoming.

Which part????
The inner city.???????

[Alison]

Yes. Building ARE being renovated. I'm not talking about Hillbrow or Berea.

[Vulpix]

Renovated by whom?

[Alison]

The owners and the municipality.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

The owners and the municipality.:D

[The Lawspeaker]

The owners and the municipality.
I take it that you refer to the gangs that hijack those buildings and the ANC ? (it has even reached the papers/ news here in the Netherlands :D)

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I take it that you refer to the gangs that hijack those buildings and the ANC ? (it has even reached the papers/ news here in the Netherlands :D)

There are a concerned group of whites,who are slowly revamping some buildings,but before 2010 it will as before now.
The upkeep is not controlled and I am afraid that the BEE consortium,just are unable to mix cement 6:1.

The synagogue and the once famous hotel(Carlton Centre) is left alone for now.
Our policemen are all cloned on the Mugabe ones

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dige1k.jpg

[Loki]

The inner city is being lovingly restored. There are still parts that are very run down, but it's great to see how beautiful our city is becoming.

I'll believe this when I see it.

[Beorn]

I have great trust in the buildings being up to the standard of the rest of the developed world.
Why, just the other day I was remarking upon the exquisite skills (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2439&highlight=building) of the "native" South Africans.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I have great trust in the buildings being up to the standard of the rest of the developed world.
Why, just the other day I was remarking upon the exquisite skills (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2439&highlight=building) of the "native" South Africans.

Did you get the photos of that particular building from SA Sucks, if not I shall look for it

[Beorn]

Did you get the photos of that particular building from SA Sucks, if not I shall look for it

I forgot to add the link to that thread, but yes, it was from 'SA Sucks'.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

I forgot to add the link to that thread, but yes, it was from 'SA Sucks'.

Here it is hehheehe
http://www.zasucks.com/?p=1966

Last week another building hit the dust.

[Beorn]

The World Cup will certainly be an interesting spectacle to watch.

If it isn't the "natives" killing the football fans, it will be the buildings.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

The World Cup will certainly be an interesting spectacle to watch.

If it isn't the "natives" killing the football fans, it will be the buildings.
The worrying thing are the frequent "stoppages=strikes" for higher wages in the stadium building sector.
I presume it is oke and checked regularly

[Alison]

Sigh! http://forum.mg.co.za/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1801930387&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=15&vc=1

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Sigh! http://forum.mg.co.za/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1801930387&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=15&vc=1

I said there were a few concerned whites revamping certain parts,but where are the photos of the Station-the Synagogue, the traffic department etc.
Carlton is not what it was 15 years ago.
Nugget street, you name it
It is good that Joh'burg gets an uplift,but does it help when the Govt has now(a week ago) approved a a "bill" to give all Zimbabweans coming to SA with a 30 day pass. Heck the infux of foreigners is more that the birth rate in all South Africa.There are plenty allayways in the revamped parts.
Sandton.Why are the yuppies coming my way.?????
Campsbay??? The most after sought beach is deteriorating. I am selling there.
Crime becomes more sophisticated,Nigerians will not leave because the Emperor has stuffed its nakedness with Estee Lauder mascara.
Each building of flats needs a gardener and plenty of house maids.And that means?????
Just go back a few years(25) when Hillbrow, Beria where brilliant spots to walk and have entertainment.
All the fancy footwork now done inparts of Joh'burg is purely for the 2010 and visitors.Maintenance is important.
Parts, which does nothing to the rest
Durban,well what did Sutcliff do to stop the rot.???

http://deathofdurban.blogspot.com/

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Old

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Fast food outlet
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[Dalton Fury]

This is how the once great city of Johannesburg now looks since the end of apartheid. Whites build it and blacks destroy it :shakefist

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[The Lawspeaker]

I am moving this thread to the South African section where a similar thread already existed.

Next time: look before you post.

[TheNepenthe]

Saw some shocking pictures here of the decline of inner city Johannesburg, South Africa.


All those whites living in South Africa should come back to Europe - where they belong, and Afro-American sent back to Africa - where they belong.

[The Lawspeaker]

All those whites living in South Africa should come back to Europe - where they belong, and Afro-American sent back to Africa - where they belong.

Hold your horses there: it is a white country and those Africans only arrived during the last century so if anything a coalition of white Africans, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry) the U.S and Europeans should kick those blacks across the border back into Africa.

[Dalton Fury]

All those whites living in South Africa should come back to Europe - where they belong, and Afro-American sent back to Africa - where they belong.

I could not disagree more. The only prosperous countries in black Africa were Rhodesia and South Africa. These countries were built by whites. Now look at what has become of these countries. :mad:



In Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Jews were the key players in overturning White rule and delivering political power into the hands of Blacks (that’s also true of South Africa)

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[TheNepenthe]

Hold your horses there: it is a white country and those Africans only arrived during the last century so if anything a coalition of white Africans, the U.S and Europeans should kick those blacks across the border back into Africa.

I see your point, but we both know where is it all going with the treatment white Africans are being given. And if it comes to that final point they should come back to Europe.

[The Lawspeaker]

I see your point, but we both know where is it all going with the treatment white Africans are being given. And if it comes to that final point they should come back to Europe.

Hell no. We should kick the blacks back to Africa.

[arcticwolf]

European cities in 20 years?

[Kazimiera]

I did a trip into Cape Town with my husband today, and he was telling me how very different it is from Jo'burg. I had a really good day.

They are trying really hard to get the city going and visitor friendly - and it is working. I had an awesome day. The streets were clean. The people were friendly. There was a lot of African kitsch, but that can be expected in a place where tourists visit and who buy this stuff by the ton.

There is now a big section which is a pedestrian zone. Clean and lots to see. There was a visible police presence which is also good.

We took a stroll into the Gardens to see the National Gallery and walked past the Company Gardens (Kompanjetuin). Gardens are immaculate, trees are trimmed. No rubbish lying around. Buildings are in excellent condition and well maintained.

After the National Gallery we went to the Castle of Good Hope and did a tour there. It was very interesting!

There are hundreds of little places to eat which are interesting, clean and welcoming. We went to a Kurdish restaurant for some late lunch. My husband was telling me how none of this would be possible in Jo'burg city center. I think that they are going out of their way to prevent Cape Town from turning into a Jo'burg disaster zone.

[Siberyak]

The TRUTH is that everything afro americans touch they destroy. There is no other way to put it. I am also so sick of seeing them ransacking stores here in the usa.

[Kazimiera]

The TRUTH is that everything afro americans touch they destroy. There is no other way to put it. I am also so sick of seeing them ransacking stores here in the usa.

Here they are just Africans. We don't have Afro Americans. :p

[Contra Mundum]

So that's South Africa's plan for tourism. To focus on keeping Cape Town clean while the rest of the country goes the way of the Congo?

[Contra Mundum]

European cities in 20 years?

and Detroit today.

[Kazimiera]

So that's South Africa's plan for tourism. To focus on keeping Cape Town clean while the rest of the country goes the way of the Congo?

One of the focal points in South African tourism is Cape Town and the historical Stellenbosch region with all the vineyards and rich Cape-Dutch history. It is, after all, the part of South Africa with the oldest history. Table Mountain remains one of the greatest attractions. The Western Cape has attracted more tourists than any other part and I think this is why they are working on keeping it looking good.

They want to keep the coastal areas looking good because that is where the Euro and the Dollar get shelled out.

Johannesburg has become a big eyesore. The place is a mess and its getting worse. I don't know what they want to do about it, or what they CAN do about it. It attracts the most immigrants because it is closest to the borders and virtually all immigrants from Africa end up there first. And stay there.

How they are going to fix it, or if there are even INTERESTED in fixing it is another story.

[Contra Mundum]

One of the focal points in South African tourism is Cape Town and the historical Stellenbosch region with all the vineyards and rich Cape-Dutch history. It is, after all, the part of South Africa with the oldest history. Table Mountain remains one of the greatest attractions. The Western Cape has attracted more tourists than any other part and I think this is why they are working on keeping it looking good.

They want to keep the coastal areas looking good because that is where the Euro and the Dollar get shelled out.

Johannesburg has become a big eyesore. The place is a mess and its getting worse. I don't know what they want to do about it, or what they CAN do about it. It attracts the most immigrants because it is closest to the borders and virtually all immigrants from Africa end up there first. And stay there.

How they are going to fix it, or if there are even INTERESTED in fixing it is another story.

So CT is less black than other cities there?

[arcticwolf]

and Detroit today.

That's so true. Though from what I hear, they are trying to revive the downtown area. It has happened in other cities. It should've never gotten to this point though. I have friends over there, but they all live in the burbs around Detroit.

[Contra Mundum]

That's so true. Though from what I hear, they are trying to revive the downtown area. It has happened in other cities. It should've never gotten to this point though. I have friends over there, but they all live in the burbs around Detroit.

When you hear a Mayor saying they want to revive downtown that's code for 'lets clean the streets up and hide the niggers, so more white people will move in.'

[Kazimiera]

I see your point, but we both know where is it all going with the treatment white Africans are being given. And if it comes to that final point they should come back to Europe.

They cannot "come back to Europe" because they never came from there in the first place. There are many generations who were born here and have never set foot in Europe.

And I would probably protest if someone wanted to send me to Europe.

Choice of going to Europe:
- the economy is collapsing
- people live on top of each other
- immigrants all over the show
- mad Muslims taking over
- political unrest
- crazy liberals
- everyone hates everyone else
- society is monitored
- people are restricted in their movements
- tons of red tape and paperwork to go anywhere or do anything
- terrorist attacks

Staying in South Africa
- a nice house which is my own and I don't have others living on top of me
- no mad Muslims
- little political unrest
- I have no debt
- very few restrictions
- you can go where you want, how you want
- no crazy political extremes
- economy is not the greatest but currently more stable than Europe
- not as many immigrants
- I don't make millions at work, but I don't need to

If someone dragged me to Europe it would be with me kicking and screaming.

[Stefan]

When I was in sixth grade, some black South Africans came to visit our social studies class to talk about South Africa. They were telling us about their variety of languages, and such. They mentioned that Afrikaans was similar to Dutch. I was so baffled, as were most of us. Dutch are white people, and "Africans" are supposed to be black! So one of the kids asked about it, and the blacks told us that there are white people in South Africa. We were baffled further. White people in Africa? That same kid asked why there weren't any white people visiting with the black South Africans. The teacher cut off the kid and segregated him, so we never got an answer. I knew then that something was off about these people.

[Kazimiera]

So CT is less black than other cities there?

Of course! By far!

Remember that when the White settlers arrived, the negroid tribes from Africa had no reached this part of the world yet. At the time of the settlers in the 1600's it was the indigenous Khoisan and Hottentot tribes who lived here. There wasn't a negro in sight for hundreds of years. They do not belong in the Western Cape region at all. They have come filtering down from the upper parts of the country over the past few decades.

Indigenous (if we can call it that) to the Western Cape region are the whites and then what is now called the Coloured population, who are mixtures of the various khoisan and hottentot tribes and the asian slaves which were imported to here to work on the farms in the 1600's. It is not a "black" region.

Of course there are now many living here now, but by no means is the place taken over by them like Jo'burg is. The only reason why they are here is because the city draws people who want to make money. And because the ANC moves them down here to get a stronger "black" vote. But the Western Cape has always been a thorn in the side of the ANC, because the Coloureds vote for the white man. The Western Cape has NEVER been in the hands of the ANC and would probably go to the dogs if it was. We know this, and this is why we keep them out.

[Kazimiera]

When I was in sixth grade, some black South Africans came to visit our social studies class to talk about South Africa. They were telling us about their variety of languages, and such. They mentioned that Afrikaans was similar to Dutch. I was so baffled, as were most of us. Dutch are white people, and "Africans" are supposed to be black! So one of the kids asked about it, and the blacks told us that there are white people in South Africa. We were baffled further. White people in Africa? That same kid asked why there weren't any white people visiting with the black South Africans. The teacher cut off the kid and segregated him, so we never got an answer. I knew then that something was off about these people.

Yeah. Family in Germany wanted to send us curtains to hang in our "shack". What a laugh. We have a big white population. Elephants do not roam the streets and we don't shake spiders out of our shoes in the morning.

People overseas have this fixated idea that there are only blacks here.

This is where I live
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http://www.pamgolding.co.za/resources/images/areas-locations/somerset-west/erinvale-golf-course.jpg

[Kazimiera]

This is where I was today

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http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Cape%20Town%20Images/CT_gardens_1.jpg

http://www.sa-venues.com/attractionswc/images/company-gardens.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

If it wouldn't for all the f....cking Bantu I would have kissed my country good bye and start over in South Africa. :thumb001:

http://www.flywaters.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Franschhoek.jpg

"Welkom in Franschhoek". Hmm those people still seem to speak a decent, Christian language. :thumb001:

http://www.only4wonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Franschhoek-1.jpg

http://www.eyesonafrica.net/south-african-safari/mont-rochelle_imgs/estate2.jpg

http://www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl/app/webroot/upload/NG-Gemeente-Franschhoek_www.zuidafrikaspecialist.nl.jpg

http://www.guidemecapetown.co.za/images/CAPE%20DUTCH%20HOUSE%20-%20RUSTENBERG%20STELLENBOSCH.JPG

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Simons-Town.jpg/800px-Simons-Town.jpg

[Stefan]

Yeah. Family in Germany wanted to send us curtains to hang in our "shack". What a laugh. We have a big white population. Elephants do not roam the streets and we don't shake spiders out of our shoes in the morning.

People overseas have this fixated idea that there are only blacks here.


We're so used to being smothered with white guilt and blacks being portrayed as oppressed it just seemed odd that there weren't white people visiting with the blacks. Kids think in stereotypes. ;) It's almost if they were trying to hide you guys from us though.

[Kazimiera]

If it wouldn't for all the f....cking Bantu I would have kissed my country good bye and start over in South Africa. :thumb001:


I'm actually going to Franschhoek on Saturday for a wedding. I will think of you as I sit back and enjoy the wines of the region. :p

By the way, the last pic is line which goes through Muizenberg to Simon's Town. Far away from Franschhoek!

[The Lawspeaker]

I am still trying to locate City Hall in Kaapstad. Google Maps is not exactly helping me out. Even the streets of Kaapstad remind me of both England and of home. There is something in the architecture... it's just the scale that is different (about 3 times as large !).

[Kazimiera]

Tuan, it is never too late to get out of Europe. I take it that you are over 30 and you've made some bucks. Multiply that by 11 and you're a millionaire in this country.

There are many Bantu-free regions for you stay! :p

[The Lawspeaker]

Tuan, it is never too late to get out of Europe. I take it that you are over 30 and you've made some bucks. Multiply that by 11 and you're a millionaire in this country.

I only have a proper inheritance but the areas that are Bantufrei today may not be Bantufrei tomorrow.

[Kazimiera]

I only have a proper inheritance but the areas that are Bantufrei today may not be Bantufrei tomorrow.

It totally depends on where you go. You won't get Bantufrei up north, but the Western Cape will stay Bantufrei. Especially if the Coloureds have something to do with it. I have never met anyone as racist as a Coloured.

[The Lawspeaker]

It totally depends on where you go. You won't get Bantufrei up north, but the Western Cape will stay Bantufrei. Especially if the Coloureds have something to do with it. I have never met anyone as racist as a Coloured.

I think I like those Coloureds already. Is it only blacks that they hate ?

[Kazimiera]

I am still trying to locate City Hall in Kaapstad. Google Maps is not exactly helping me out. Even the streets of Kaapstad remind me of both England and of home. There is something in the architecture... it's just the scale that is different (about 3 times as large !).

It is directly opposite the Grand Parade on Darling Street.

http://www.kapstadt.org/images/images-kapstadt/rathaus/rathaus%203g.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

It is directly opposite the Grand Parade on Darling Street.

http://www.kapstadt.org/images/images-kapstadt/rathaus/rathaus%203g.jpg

Thank you. I was just trying to find it on Google Maps.

[Contra Mundum]

Tuan, it is never too late to get out of Europe. I take it that you are over 30 and you've made some bucks. Multiply that by 11 and you're a millionaire in this country.

There are many Bantu-free regions for you stay! :p

11 fold, seriously? I may retire there.

[The Lawspeaker]

11 fold, seriously? I may retire there.

Then I'll go too. First I need to get myself a private militia so I can clear out the nearest squatter camp. ;) "Operation No Living Thing" - style.

[Kazimiera]

I think I like those Coloureds already. Is it only blacks that they hate ?

Yes. And with a vengeance second to none. "Nou moet ons vir die fokken kaffers luister? Dit sal die dag wees!"

Guaranteed racial fighting at work: Coloured vs Black. Also difficult to iron these differences out because neither will concede. The Coloured won't budge and tells the Black to fuck off back to the Eastern Cape where he came from. The blacks don't like this because they know the Coloured is right and that he is on their turf.

Everyone cries out about the white racists. Not so!

These guys are the ones who don't have white guilt and have the balls to stand up to the black. If anyone is going to keep the Cape white, then its these guys! They look scary, but the like the white man because he has always treated them well. And his allegiance shows when it comes down to the vote. The Coloureds are placid. It's the blacks who want to take over. The Coloureds will have none of it.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01497/teeth_1497108c.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

"Nou moet ons vir die fokken kaffers luister? Dit sal die dag wees!"
I like their attitude. It's a old-fashioned Dutch attitude dating back to the day when didn't take shit from anyone. :thumb001:

[Kazimiera]

11 fold, seriously? I may retire there.

Euro is 11 fold
Pound is about 15 fold
US Dollar is about 9 fold

People save up their entire lives to come retire here, to be able to afford a nice house on the hill. I have a nice house on the hill already. No way I am giving that up.

[Kazimiera]

I like their attitude. It's a old-fashioned Dutch attitude dating back to the day when didn't take shit from anyone. :thumb001:

And they don't take shit from anyone. Especially not a black. Don't even bring a black into their neighbourhood. That guy will last there 24 hours at the most until they bring him out in a body bag.

The Coloured has no fear. But he identifies most with the white man because their working relationship dates back hundreds of years already. He will protect the white man. He knows if he protects the white man, then we will score from the deal. They have always been our political allies.

[The Lawspeaker]

And they don't take shit from anyone. Especially not a black. Don't even bring a black into their neighbourhood. That guy will last there 24 hours at the most until they bring him out in a body bag.

The Coloured has no fear and is like a rabid dog. But he identifies most with the white man because their working relationship dates back hundreds of years already. He will protect the white man. He knows if he protects the white man, then we will score from the deal. They have always been our political allies.

I like them already.. a lot. :D. So I would be quite safe living amongst them ?

[Kazimiera]

I like them already.. a lot. :D. So I would be quite safe living amongst them ?

They have their own neighbourhoods. We have ours. You'd be safe.

Why don't you come down here with your gilfriend and have a look. You have nothing to lose.

[Contra Mundum]

Euro is 11 fold
Pound is about 15 fold
US Dollar is about 9 fold

People save up their entire lives to come retire here, to be able to afford a nice house on the hill. I have a nice house on the hill already. No way I am giving that up.

Exchange rates don't mean much. Can one get a nice house there, in a safe neighborhood, for around $250,000?

[The Lawspeaker]

They have their own neighbourhoods. We have ours. You'd be safe.

Why don't you come down here with your gilfriend and have a look. You have nothing to lose.

Who knows one day. :thumb001:. If we could ever kick out most of the immigrants and have a couple of million Dutch move to South Africa as well it would be even better. We could take over the entire Southern part together with the Afrikaners, English-speakers and Cape Coloureds and kick out the Bantu. :thumbs up

[Contra Mundum]

Some things are more expensive in SA like computers.

[The Lawspeaker]

Hmm just think about it: first take over the old Cape Province - making it a homeland for the Boer (that could go South again), Afrikaanders, English-speakers, Khoisan, Cape Coloureds and other White Africans (incl. Dutch and English coming in from Europe). And then slowly taking over the whole bloody lot (including the Suidwes with the other White Africans such as the Germans and people like the Basters).

[Kazimiera]

Exchange rates don't mean much. Can one get a nice house there, in a safe neighborhood, for around $250,000?

Okay. I have worked it out now. A large house, three bedroom and bathroom. Kitchen. Open plan living space lounge. Garage attached. Big property.

Well-established neighbourhood which has no further developments. Very safe.

You are looking at about

170 000 USD

Living here is cheaper than overseas.

[The Lawspeaker]

170.000 USD ? I don't even buy a rijtjeshuis or twee-onder-een-kap for that here (Hell: not even an apartment !) I would pay something similar for a property in the Philippines (and I am talking something similar here to what you said about South Africa but there I can't buy property because I am foreign).

[Quorra]

Euro is 11 fold
Pound is about 15 fold
US Dollar is about 9 fold

People save up their entire lives to come retire here, to be able to afford a nice house on the hill. I have a nice house on the hill already. No way I am giving that up.

Forts are best on hills :p

[Contra Mundum]

Okay. I have worked it out now. A large house, three bedroom and bathroom. Kitchen. Open plan living space lounge. Garage attached. Big property.

Well-established neighbourhood which has no further developments. Very safe.

You are looking at about

170 000 USD

Living here is cheaper than overseas.

Not too bad, but there are actually places in the US almost as cheap. In Oklahoma, one can get a small mansion on several acres of land for around 250k USD, about 15 to 25 miles outside a large city. Capital gain taxes would also be a huge issue. It's only 15% here.

I heard some consumer products are much more expensive in SA. I know, because I have a friend in Pretoria that I sent some money to, who was going through a rough time. She said things like computers are twice as expensive. I checked for myself and a small crappy laptop costs around $1100 there, while in America you can get an excellent laptop for $600 or less.

[The Lawspeaker]

A nice little apartment here. (http://www.huislijn.nl/koopwoning/utrecht/utrecht/toermalijnlaan-35/details)

http://images2.huislijn.nl/images/objects/996fa29f-89b1-4599-88bf-425659880175/80554595-S011Z4763yak.jpg
http://images2.huislijn.nl/images/objects/996fa29f-89b1-4599-88bf-425659880175/80554596-S011Z4763yak.jpg

How much do you think it is ?
ZAR 1926884.69 or 232,747.93 USD. € 189.500.

[Contra Mundum]

A nice little apartment here. (http://www.huislijn.nl/koopwoning/utrecht/utrecht/toermalijnlaan-35/details)

http://images2.huislijn.nl/images/objects/996fa29f-89b1-4599-88bf-425659880175/80554595-S011Z4763yak.jpg
http://images2.huislijn.nl/images/objects/996fa29f-89b1-4599-88bf-425659880175/80554596-S011Z4763yak.jpg

How much do you think it is ?
ZAR 1926884.69 or 232,33 USD.

Not bad. Living in the Netherlands would be pretty cool, and you don't have to worry about some bushman coming at you with a machete like in parts of Africa.

I wouldn't mind traveling to SA though, to get a feel for the place.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not bad. Living in the Netherlands would be pretty cool, and you don't have to worry about some bushman coming at you with a machete like in parts of Africa.

I wouldn't mind traveling to SA though, to get a feel for the place.

It miscalculated it though. Such an apartment would be 232,747.93 USD. It's small. Just a couple of rooms. That's it. Now you know the big secret behind Dutch emigration.

[Contra Mundum]

It miscalculated it though. Such an apartment would be 232,747.93 USD. It's small. Just a couple of rooms. That's it.

Taxes are probably high too. I heard the water pressure sucks in Europe. In America, we have awesome water pressure in our showers.:D

[Nurzat]

That is their way of life, they seem to have no comprehension about culture or morals. No Western country should end up that way but unfortunately the flow of third world immigrants keeps continuing. When they achieve a majority and become uncontrollable, this will be the result.

western europe, prepare for it :(

it already started in the outskirts of the big cities

[The Lawspeaker]

Taxes are probably high too. I heard the water pressure sucks in Europe. In America, we have awesome water pressure in our showers.:D

It depends on where you are. Here it is generally good and we also have the best tap water in Europe (apart from Norway and Switzerland). Taxes are bad. The housing prices are actually "low" now. 3 or 4 years ago you would have paid 250.000 euro's for the same apartment.

[arcticwolf]

It miscalculated it though. Such an apartment would be 232,747.93 USD. It's small. Just a couple of rooms. That's it. Now you know the big secret behind Dutch emigration.

What? I paid $160000 for a house on a lake, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, on one acre. How can anybody afford to live in Europe? :confused:
Tuan you need to move over here. :D

[Stefan]

It miscalculated it though. Such an apartment would be 232,747.93 USD. It's small. Just a couple of rooms. That's it.

You can buy a seven bedroom (thirteen rooms total) house for about 200k here. Of course my city isn't as beautiful as the one you posted and there aren't many opportunities for work, but that still seems pricey nevertheless.

In the town my mother grew up in houses are expensive, mostly because of the tourist attractions, but they're quite beautiful.

This five bedroom is around 270k.

http://p.rdcpix.com/v01/l2df4b843-m0x.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

What? I paid $160000 for a house on a lake, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, on one acre. How can anybody afford to live in Europe? :confused:
Tuan you need to move over here. :D

Well think about this: the Netherlands is about two times the size of Rhode Island and has the population of New York City, Long Island and Jersey City thrown into it. Let's use the actual figures:

Density: 397 per km²
Population: 16,783,092
13,082 sq mi (land) - 16,033 sq mi (total).

It's not evenly distributed since most people live in the Randstad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad).

Population (2008)[2][b]
• Conurbation 7,100,000
• Urban 6,600,000
• Urban density 1,500/km2 (4,000/sq mi)

Area[a]
• Land 8,287 km2 (3,200 sq mi)
• Urban[1] 4,300 km2 (1,700 sq mi)

[arcticwolf]

Well think about this: the Netherlands is about two times the size of Rhode Island and has the population of New York City, Long Island and Jersey City thrown into it.

Dude seriously, if I was you and I know you like warm climate I would consider moving to the States. The whole South East and South West are warm almost year round, and whites like other whites here. No one will make you feel unwelcome. Plus you can buy a decent property. The job market is a bit off now but hopefully that will start improving soon. Think about it! You may actually love America like we do, when you get to know this beautiful country! :D

Pack your bags and come down here, we like European immigrants!

[The Lawspeaker]

Dude seriously, if I was you and I know you like warm climate I would consider moving to the States. The whole South East and South West are warm almost year round, and whites like other whites here. No one will make you unwelcome. Plus you can buy a decent property. The job market is a bit off now but hopefully that will start improving soon. Think about it! You may actually love America like we do, when you get to know this beautiful country! :D

Meh. :thumb001: I somehow like South Africa better as the people are a bit more like me and they speak a decent Christian language. If it wasn't for the fact that the place is now teaming with Bantu I would have considered it.

[arcticwolf]

Meh. :thumb001: I somehow like South Africa better as the people are a bit more like me and they speak a decent Christian language. If it wasn't for the fact that the place is now teaming with Bantu I would have considered it.

If you don't mind me asking have you been to the States, and if yes, which part(s)?

[Stefan]

I don't even know how you Euros take immigrants in. You'd think there wouldn't be enough land for em. I feel sympathy for you. They're much more than an ethnic problem in that case, but an issue of overpopulation and limited resources. You need to overthrow your governments!

[The Lawspeaker]

If you don't mind me asking have you been to the States, and if yes, which part(s)?

I haven't. My trip to Asia was my first time outside Europe but did you know that a lot of South Africans speak Afrikaans - which is closely related to Dutch ? So closely related that we can understand each other for 99 percent so.. why should I go to America ? ;)



I don't even know how you Euros take immigrants in. You'd think there wouldn't be enough land for em. I feel sympathy for you. They're much more than an ethnic problem in that case, but an issue of overpopulation and limited resources. You need to overthrow your governments!
Let's be realistic here, more realistic than our own government: we can't afford the luxury. Having foreign expats here or people that are married to Dutch is one thing (they are numbers close to a million at the most) but having 2 million other immigrants here that take up space and that cause nothing more but trouble and that don't pull their weight is... stupid.

[arcticwolf]

I haven't. My trip to Asia was my first time outside Europe but did you know that a lot of South Africans speak Afrikaans - which is closely related to Dutch ? So closely related that we can understand each other for 99 percent.

Yes I did read about SA quite a bit. You speak English well enough to have no issues here. Plus over here you can have just any climate you like from subtropical South Florida and Hawaii to arctic Alaska and everything in between. There is more than 200 million whites over here, more than anywhere in the world, so you won't feel alone. ;) Any climate or geography you desire. It really isn't bad here. Take a trip to the States see for yourself. You have enough friends here who would be willing to show you around. Don't be afraid that you gonna like it, I guarantee you will. :))

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes I did read about SA quite a bit. You speak English well enough to have no issues here. Plus over here you can have just any climate you like from subtropical South Florida and Hawaii to arctic Alaska and everything in between. There is more than 200 million whites over here, more than anywhere in the world, so you won't feel alone. ;) Any climate or geography you desire. It really isn't bad here. Take a trip to the States see for yourself. You have enough friends here who would be willing to show you around. Don't be afraid that you gonna like it, I guarantee you will. :))

Yes but maybe America wouldn't be my first choice ? My first choice would be a people that is just like me.

m3TTi_gAS5c
I can understand every single word of what she is saying.

H3-F4qZYJz4
When I watched this film I only needed to look for the subtitles twice.

[Contra Mundum]

Yes but maybe America wouldn't be my first choice ? My first choice would be a people that is just like me.



There are more Dutch in America than in South Africa.

I heard the ANC made it harder for people to own guns there for personal protection. In America, you can have a large arsenal of weapons. :thumb001:

[The Lawspeaker]

There are more Dutch in America than in South Africa.

I heard the ANC made it harder for people to own guns there for personal protection. In America, you can have a large arsenal of weapons. :thumb001:

Yes but think about this: there are 5 million "Dutch" (most of which with only a Dutch grandfather and who don't speak a word of Dutch) spread all over the U.S but in South Africa are a couple of million Afrikaanders and Boeren - who live, for the most part, very much concentrated. So why the bloody hell should I go to America ? :)

And it's not just a language thing. It's also cultural. Afrikaanders are much closer to Dutch in their culture too.

[Contra Mundum]

Yes but think about this: there are 5 million "Dutch" (most of which with only a Dutch grandfather and who don't speak a word of Dutch) spread all over the U.S but in South Africa are a couple of million Afrikaanders and Boeren - who live, for the most part, very much concentrated. So why the bloody hell should I go to America ? :)

Because America is safer, more stable, has better looking women, lots of land. In SA, most of the country is too dangerous to live in, especially in the places the Afrikaners live. You would have to live in the south with all the Anglos and coloureds.

[The Lawspeaker]

Because America is safer, more stable, has better looking women, lots of land. in SA, most of the country is too dangerous to live in, especially in the places the Afrikaners live. You would have to live in the south with all the Anglos and coloreds.

Also untrue. A lot of the Afrikaners still live in the South as well. Did you ever check a map of the areas that are Afrikaans-speaking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_proporti on_map.svg) ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_proportion_ma p.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_density_map.s vg
Density of Afrikaans home-language speakers in South Africa, at the Census "Main Place" level. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_density_ map.svg)

Jo'burg is too dangerous and so is the entire North. That's for sure but I would stay closer to Cape Town if I would be going.

The thing is: I don't care about going to the U.S because it's a completely different place where there is no cultural and linguistic anchor for me.

Just so you know how closely (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans) the languages are related to one another.

[Contra Mundum]

Also untrue. A lot of the Afrikaners still live in the South as well. Did you ever check a map of the areas that are Afrikaans-speaking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_proporti on_map.svg) ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/South_Africa_2001_Afrikaans_speakers_proportion_ma p.svg

Okay, I had assumed most lived in the interior.

[Contra Mundum]

I thought half the white population was British. Many of them must also speak Afrikaner in the home for that map to be accurate.

[The Lawspeaker]

I thought half the white population was British. Many of them must also speak Afrikaner in the home for that map to be accurate.

Wrong. The British are actually a real minority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_South_African#South_Africa). Compared to the Afrikaner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaaner).

[Mago]

Renovated or not, or that they have a zillion whites, they couldn't pay me enough to live anywhere in south africa. i would rather live in a latin america slump anytime. Too wild, violent, full of gangs, lawlessness, poverty and people seem to have very low IQ. That anyone in the western world would ever choose to relocate to anywhere in africa is mind boggling to me.

[Mago]

I stand corrected http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56140

[Fortis in Arduis]

Wrong. The British are actually a real minority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_South_African#South_Africa). Compared to the Afrikaner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaaner).

Yes, but if you did live there, you could also enjoy the English SA culture as well.

[Kazimiera]

Because America is safer, more stable, has better looking women, lots of land. In SA, most of the country is too dangerous to live in, especially in the places the Afrikaners live. You would have to live in the south with all the Anglos and coloureds.


Renovated or not, or that they have a zillion whites, they couldn't pay me enough to live anywhere in south africa. i would rather live in a latin america slump anytime. Too wild, violent, full of gangs, lawlessness, poverty and people seem to have very low IQ. That anyone in the western world would ever choose to relocate to anywhere in africa is mind boggling to me.

In the wise words of people who have never been here, don't know much about the place and lap up what the media says. Tsk tsk tsk...

[iNird]

Maybe someone could move my thread here.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1039294#post1039294

Kazimiera, thoughts? Are the victims "coloured"?

[Kazimiera]

Maybe someone could move my thread here.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1039294#post1039294

Kazimiera, thoughts?

Those guys need to be shot, hung and dragged behind a car simultaneously. I have already given my thoughts on that thread.

What I am trying to say is that what people know about South Africa is what the media perpetuates.

Because of the media it could also lead a non-American to believe that there are homicidal maniacs lurking around cinema's all over the USA. There is crime in every country, murders happen in every country, there are car accidents in every country. The general impression is that all of South Africa is infested with only tribal boogeymen who kill people for fun. Of course there are those that are and do. Just like the USA has Afro-Americans, mass-murderers and people that go out of control. Last time I checked Norway also had Anders Breivik who went on the rampage. That doesn't mean all Norwegians are cuckoo.

Although I am tempted to believe that America is a general shithole, judging by what the media lets loose. Is America really a shithole? I don't know, I cannot say because I have not been there, but judging by what the MEDIA says I cannot imagine any good coming from there. Just like I cannot judge any country without having been there, I suggest that people stop judging other countries they have not been to.

Unless someone has been here it is very difficult to try and explain to them how this country is and what it is about. Of course the media always portrays the worst of anywhere (otherwise it wouldn't sell newspapers).

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes, but if you did live there, you could also enjoy the English SA culture as well.

Ooh I would but that's the reason why I would prefer SA: the sensible mix of Dutch-derived and English-derived culture instead of the endless fake shit that the U.S produces.

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

south african whites can go to USA, Canada, Alaska, Argentina, Uruguay, or any latin american country they would be treated well except maybe belize

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

there might be some cute english girls there?

[Stefan]

I can't blame them. It's funny though that they would like Western European immigrants so much while they actually like your kind to buzz off back to where you had come from. ;)

Western Europeans are assimilable genetically and culturally. ;) Latin-Americans on the other-hand, as a group, much less so.

@Kazimiera How is South Africa for historical tourism? I find the people [the whites] to have an interesting history. :) It looks like a beautiful country from the photos you've posted.

[The Lawspeaker]

I would not exactly be the only one there: there are some 50.000 Dutch (http://www.kaapstadmagazine.nl/maatschappelijk/Ek-Sien-Jou/118_22_16942) living there right now. On top of that come a couple of million Afrikaners.

[Stefan]

I would not exactly be the only one there: there are some 50.000 Dutch (http://www.kaapstadmagazine.nl/maatschappelijk/Ek-Sien-Jou/118_22_16942) living there right now. On top of that come a couple of million Afrikaners.

How close is Low German to Dutch? According to this diagram (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/West_Germanic_languages_%28simplified%29.png) it's closer to Anglo-Frisian.

Although in the wikipedia it says:


spoken mainly in northern Germany and the eastern part of the Netherlands.From what I've read some Europeans from Plattdeutsch areas moved to South Africa as well. If you feel an affinity with those speakers, then you can add them as well.

[The Lawspeaker]

How close is Low German to Dutch? According to this diagram (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/West_Germanic_languages_%28simplified%29.png) it's closer to Anglo-Frisian.

Although in the wikipedia it says:

From what I've read some Europeans from Plattdeutsch areas moved to South Africa as well. If you feel an affinity with those speakers, then you can add them as well.

Frisian is actually a different language. Call it the stepping stone between the earliest versions of English and the language that would become Dutch.

[Kazimiera]

@Kazimiera How is South Africa for historical tourism? I find the people [the whites] to have an interesting history. :) It looks like a beautiful country from the photos you've posted.

Initially Cape Town was the halfway point between Europe and the Far East when the merchant ships came around Africa on their way to the East. Cape Town was the water station, where food could be replenished and where the sick could get some treatment. It was also the Post Office, where other sailors could leave letters which would be picked up by other merchant ships back from the Far East. It was also in control by the Dutch.

In the 1700's French Huguenots came to the Cape. They were prosecuted in France because they were Protestant. With them they brought vines from France as well as their wine making skills. The Western Cape now produces some of the best wines in the world. The French language got assimilated into the Dutch which became Afrikaans. This is why people of Dutch and French heritage here speak Afrikaans and not French. But there are very many surnames which are still French.

On the English side, the 1820 settlers from England arrived. There is a rich history of their past here too.

Then we have the whole history about the Voortrekkers who made their way up the country. The gold and diamond rushes. Settlements further up the coast and inland. In 1899 the Anglo-Boer War broke out which lasted until 1902. There is a whole lot more

There is so much history here, original buildings from those days which are still being used every day. In Stellenbosch the hundreds of oak trees that Governor Simon van der Stel himself planted still line the streets.

Wine farms scattered across hundreds of miles of land. These are just a few within a few minutes drive from my house.
- Morgenster http://www.morgenster.co.za/index.php
- Vergelegen http://www.vergelegen.co.za/
- Delheim http://www.delheim.com/
- Blaauklippen http://www.blaauwklippen.com/
- Avontuur http://www.avontuurestate.co.za/
- Audacia http://www.audacia.co.za/
- Nederberg http://masterchef.nederburg.co.za/site/age_verification

[Quorra]

Initially Cape Town was the halfway point between Europe and the Far East when the merchant ships came around Africa on their way to the East. Cape Town was the water station, where food could be replenished and where the sick could get some treatment. It was also the Post Office, where other sailors could leave letters which would be picked up by other merchant ships back from the Far East. It was also in control by the Dutch.

In the 1700's French Huguenots came to the Cape. They were prosecuted in France because they were Protestant. With them they brought vines from France as well as their wine making skills. The Western Cape now produces some of the best wines in the world. The French language got assimilated into the Dutch which became Afrikaans. This is why people of Dutch and French heritage here speak Afrikaans and not French. But there are very many surnames which are still French.

On the English side, the 1820 settlers from England arrived. There is a rich history of their past here too.

Then we have the whole history about the Voortrekkers who made their way up the country. The gold and diamond rushes. Settlements further up the coast and inland. In 1899 the Anglo-Boer War broke out which lasted until 1902. There is a whole lot more

There is so much history here, original buildings from those days which are still being used every day. In Stellenbosch the hundreds of oak trees that Governor Simon van der Stel himself planted still line the streets.

Wine farms scattered across hundreds of miles of land. These are just a few within a few minutes drive from my house.
- Morgenster http://www.morgenster.co.za/index.php
- Vergelegen http://www.vergelegen.co.za/
- Delheim http://www.delheim.com/
- Blaauklippen http://www.blaauwklippen.com/
- Avontuur http://www.avontuurestate.co.za/
- Audacia http://www.audacia.co.za/
- Nederberg http://masterchef.nederburg.co.za/site/age_verification
Kazi, you are becoming pro-euro :hug2:

[Kazimiera]

Kazi, you are becoming pro-euro :hug2:

Contrary to popular belief, I was never anti-Euro.

[Contra Mundum]

I cannot imagine South Africa surviving much longer run by blacks. There may be pockets of civilization here and there, but overall, the country is a disaster. I know someone who lives in Pretoria and the white minority there is under siege. I guess if you're rich and live on the Cape, it may be a better experience.

[The Lawspeaker]

I cannot imagine South Africa surviving much longer run by blacks. There may be pockets of civilization here and there, but overall, the country is a disaster. I know someone who lives in Pretoria and the white minority there is under siege. I guess if you're rich and live on the Cape, it may be a better experience.

Would partition not be the best solution then ? The South will go to the whites and coloureds and the blacks can have the north eventhough it's rich in gold: they will have no one to mine it.

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

I think america should adopt all of the white south africans, and put them in one of the empty states, and build a little classical england clone for them to inhabit and let them teach their own and keep their accent, then you create a tourist center and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Contra Mundum]

I think america should adopt all of the white south africans, and put them in one of the empty states, and build a little classical england clone for them to inhabit and let them teach their own and keep their accent, then you create a tourist center and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It would be overrun by 3rd world immigrants within 5 years. Even the black South Africans would probably sneak in. You think they're going to let white people live alone in peace?

[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

It would be overrun by 3rd world immigrants within 5 years. Even the black South Africans would probably sneak in. You think they're going to let white people live alone in peace?

you make it a private area, not a regular city, all land will be privately owned by themselves and they can then rule themselves in their own manner.

either way, latin americans don't hate whites like africans seem to do in south africa

it's odd because africans in america adore whites don't they?

[Contra Mundum]

you make it a private area, not a regular city, all land will be privately owned by themselves and they can then rule themselves in their own manner.

either way, latin americans don't hate whites like africans seem to do in south africa

it's odd because africans in america adore whites don't they?

In places where Mexicans and other Latinos are in the large minority, they hate whites with a passion.

[Quorra]

Would partition not be the best solution then ? The South will go to the whites and coloureds and the blacks can have the north eventhough it's rich in gold: they will have no one to mine it.

Aw poor coloureds!!!:(

[Osprey]

Liberia was a private land, bought off by wealthy Americans.
Same can be now done for South Africans.

[Quorra]

Liberia was a private land, bought off by wealthy Americans.
Same can be now done for South Africans.

Private reserves are our future.

[Osprey]

Private reserves are our future.

You have to have cash for that.

[Quorra]

You have to have cash for that.

Yes. What I say goes. Get used to this. There is no shortage of land in this world. Only a shortage of courage.

[Osprey]

Yes. What I say goes. Get used to this. There is no shortage of land in this world. Only a shortage of courage.

And shortage of intelligent scientists who can make inhospitable barren wastes into livable land.

[Quorra]

And shortage of intelligent scientists who can make inhospitable barren wastes into livable land.

Rubbish. Any permaculture book and a green thumb can prevent you from being a sand nigger.

[Quorra]

Sand Nigger?
My line of thought was more into Siberia and Alaska than Northern Africa?

I'm not talking about geography but land care. We can do it here even.

[Sikeliot]

Please stay on topic. I have removed the off topic from the thread.

[Quorra]

Please stay on topic. I have removed the off topic from the thread.

ok

:sad_shakefist:

Bloody blacks!

:D

[Fortis in Arduis]

More off-topic, but the little suburb just south of Mouille Point and north of Signal Hill in Cape Town looks absolutely beautiful and just perfect for access to the centre.

Is it affordable or have I had another attack of good taste?

[Heart of Oak]

More off-topic, but the little suburb just south of Mouille Point and north of Signal Hill in Cape Town looks absolutely beautiful and just perfect for access to the centre.

Is it affordable or have I had another attack of good taste?

Bad taste as usual...

[Quorra]

I suppose being with aware boers might be the safest place in the world in times to come. At least they've been through their baptism of fire. Our might be coming back around.:(

[Fortis in Arduis]

I suppose being with aware boers might be the safest place in the world in times to come. At least they've been through their baptism of fire. Our might be coming back around.:(

We cannot apply our rules and standards to other ethnic groups and comparisons are also useless. Each people has its own way. There will have to be a Negroid leader to lead the way for others, and he'll have to be true to the Negroid man, not some communist who wants to plunder white wealth and resources, nor a plutocrat.

[Quorra]

We cannot apply our rules and standards to other ethnic groups and comparisons are also useless. Each people has its own way. There will have to be a Negroid leader to lead the way for others, and he'll have to be true to the Negroid man, not some communist who wants to plunder white wealth and resources, nor a plutocrat.

Please explain

[Kazimiera]

More off-topic, but the little suburb just south of Mouille Point and north of Signal Hill in Cape Town looks absolutely beautiful and just perfect for access to the centre.

Is it affordable or have I had another attack of good taste?

Attack of good taste. This is a very expensive suburb.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Attack of good taste. This is a very expensive suburb.

Yup.

<--- Bitch has a problem. :D

It has perfect sthapatya veda, with a slope down to the north, and open water to the north-east.

It will be a very orderly and pleasant place to live, except for those houses whose entrances face south or west.

Check google maps, and you'll see that those houses have less prosperous households. This effect is best observed when comparing two terraces which face each other going north-south. Those that face east will have better curtains, gardens, cars...

[Fortis in Arduis]

Please explain

A black nationalist who can defeat racial hierarchy, rather than the black communists who have been approved by the *West*.

[RoyBatty]

Attack of good taste. This is a very expensive suburb.

That area is packed with j00z as well. He'll love it lol!!! :p

But seriously though, there's nothing in the center worth being close to. It's not like a UK town where it makes sense to be "central". In CT it's more of a hindrance than a bonus.

[Kazimiera]

That area is packed with j00z as well. He'll love it lol!!! :p

Hahaha! Yes! He can then protest in the neighbourhood about the evils of circumcision!

Fortis, I think your life path has been set out for you.

You are to move to South Africa, and do one-man anti-circumcision protests in rich Jewish neighbourhoods!

:p

[RoyBatty]

Private reserves are our future.

You're being optimistic. I think extinction is higher on the agenda.

[Fortis in Arduis]

That area is packed with j00z as well. He'll love it lol!!! :p

But seriously though, there's nothing in the center worth being close to. It's not like a UK town where it makes sense to be "central". In CT it's more of a hindrance than a bonus.

Although I hold a position of Jewtrality, I wouldn't be comfortable knowing that so that there were so many exposed and keratinised glans were in the area, and would have to start up my now-famous foreskin restoration workshops.

The thought of them all makes me go ooglie in the thighs and want to cross my legs.