Serbian terror in Macedonia

[Bugarash]

Coupons given away by the serbian state in order to collect money to rebuilt the city of Krusevo,a city in ruins after the Ilinden uprising...a uprising that the serbs on these coupons present as ''the first serbian uprising in Macedonia''

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The serbian colonization of the so called ''South Serbia'' or Vardar Banovina as it was officialy called...

the name-Macedonia was banned in the kingdom of Serbia

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[Bugarash]

A letter from Debar region that describes the serbian terror

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Killing of a local IMRO band leader by serbian troops and
the protests in Sofia against the serbian massacres in Eastern Vardar Macedonia

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[Bugarash]

Macedonian refugees fleeing the serbian terror and heading toward Bulgaria

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rJXbdBUjmow/Sm6A7f1JsHI/AAAAAAAABlI/-_Hp8QbVSeE/s1600/Image0094.JPG

[Bugarash]

Macedonian refugees in Bulgaria

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[Vojnik]

Coupons given away by the serbian state in order to collect money to rebuilt the city of Krusevo,a city in ruins after the Ilinden uprising...a uprising that the serbs on these coupons present as ''the first serbian uprising in Macedonia''

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1150.snc4/149279_1573392706353_1581624596_31319116_7286170_n .jpg

I am absolutely disgusted at this. :mad:

[Bugarash]

This is the first monument erected on Mechkin Kamen-the site where the greatest battle of the Ilinden Uprising took place...it is erected to commemorate 15 years of the uprising.

it was destroyed when serbs reoccupy Macedonia in 1919

bulgarian soldiers putting fresh flowers on the monument

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/291988_2127864927812_1581624596_32051830_526443_n. jpg

[Bugarash]

Another monument indirectly connected with Serboslavia.

The monument in the city of Sandanski-Pirin Macedonia,built in the name of the Liberation war for Macedonia,and later destroyed by the bulgarian communists.

bulgarian and german soldiers at the monument

http://www.lostbulgaria.com/pic2/2980.jpg

[Bugarash]

Another pretty cool and pretty historic monument with the same faith...destroyed by the best buddies of the yugo communists,the bulgarian commies!

''The monument to the unknown macedonian chetnik''

It stood in the city of Blagoevgrad-Pirin Macedonia.
There have been few initiatives on restoring it,from which in one I have personally taken part by writting to the mayor of the city...from which we havent seen much of a result but it is very likely that at the end the funding will come from the VMRO-BND party.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Unknown_Macedonian_Rebel_Monument.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Pametnik_makedonski_chetnik_Gorna_Dzhumaya.jpg


On it's place today there is only a memmorial plaque

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Blagoevgrad_Monument_Unknown_Macedonian_Guerilla_F ighter.jpg

[Novi Pazar]

LMAO, you Bulgars make me laugh. Don't you Bulgars understand there was an Exarchos OPERATING in Southern Serbia/Macedonia at the time (1872-1912), Bulgars RECRUTED locals (Macedonians/Serbs) into their bandit groups to terrorise and bring Macedonians/Serbs over into their Exarchos and BULGARIANISE them. Unfortuntely, it was partially successful (Exarchos method) because it created a mass of Bulgarianised locals (like baba Vanga etc...) who resented/hated Serbs and Serbia. We all know what the twisted Bulgars did to many Serbian cultural monuments inside Macedonia/Southern Serbia.

What brings pain mostly to my soul is the Bulgarian military destroying the Kumanovo monument that was dedicated to Serbs who FREED the Southern Serbs/Macedonians from the Turks, SERBIAN BLOOD was SHED for the Southern Serbs/Macedonians for their freedoms which they enjoy today. It equally hurts when Southern Serbs/Macedonians actually mock their northern kin and show no respect for this valliant act of bravery and self sacrifice. I don't understand why they even BELIEVE the Bulgars?

[Vojnik]

Novi Pazar, Brat, stop with your obsession with us Macedonians and our country. I have said it before, we have never called ourselves 'southern serbs'. I have not seen one source where a Macedonian identifies as a 'southern serb'.

Brat, we are Macedonians.

Sister Augustine Bewicke on the Macedoinan autonomy
January 4 1919:
"the inhabitants of Macedonia are in the great majority Slavs; they call themselves Macedonians, and what they desire and what we ardently desire for them is an autonomy under European control"

Edmond Bouchie, 1922:
“In the district of Ostrovo / Bitola nine times out of ten these people, despite being the subject of dispute by three adjoining countries – Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece – would reply in response to the question as to their nationality that they were Macedonians”

Oliver C.Harvey, 1926, wrote:
"The slavophone population of Serbian (occupied) Macedonia definitely regard themselves as distinct from the Serbs. If asked their nationality they say that they are Macedonians, and they speak the Macedonian dialect."

[Vojnik]

"We have many times heard from the Macedonists that they are not Bulgarians but Macedonians,descendants of the Ancient Macedonians" - Slaveykov ( Year: 1871)

[Novi Pazar]

Vojnik brate, l've been really busy lately, but l will say the following. I don't have an obession with Macedonians but l have an obession to burst the Bulgarian propaganda that is associated with Southern Serbia/Macedonia. Vojnik, listen man, l will get stabbed by Macedonians so many times and l will keep forgiving you guys, but l will never let a Bulgar get away with it. The problem is that the internet is flooded with Bulgarian propaganda which is hard not to look past it, you must, and say you must go, elsewhere to find the TRUTH, don't rely on the net and don't rely even on your family nor yugoslav propaganda as well. It took me years to find the TRUTH and the Bulgars hate it.

There is many quotes and sources l have at my disposal, l have an old one here right in front of me, it happens to be at ZERO Bulgarian Influence and Zero Serbian Influence (Ottoman Empire):

Mitropolit Jeremiah from the City of "Pelagon" (Bitolj) went to Russia in 1603 saying that he comed from Serbian land.

Archive of the Russian Ministry For Foreign Affairs, Year 7112,Dec.19


would you like another one, o.k:

Archbiscop of Ohrid Avram in 1634 arrived in Russia with escort.When asked,they said they were Greeks from the Serbian land of Ohrid (Grechane Serpskie zemli iz Ahridona Goroda).

Archive of the Russian Ministry Of Foreign Affairs, Year 7142,No 8

Since you gave me three, l will also re-pay you the favour:

Austrian Emperor Leopold proclaimed Jovan Monastirlija from Bitolj a Vojvoda (Military chieftain) of the Serbian nation in Austria in 1691.

Trifunoski,F.J. "Makedoniziranje Juzhne Srbije" Beograd 1995 pp.24

Why not one more:

The Urgent Congregation of Roman Catholic Church in 1742 issued an report which states that "Serbs of Greek Rite" are peopling Croatia,Slavonia,Hungary,Serbia,Thrace,Macedonia,A lbania and Montenegro.

Archivum Sacrae Congregationis de Propaganda Fide."Congregazioni Particolari"Vol.106.Fol.1



Most of my quotes here are prior to the 20th century and Bulgarian Exarchos, they are during the OTTOMAN EMPIRE!

In 1644 a Serb,Dimitrije Nikolajev (Serbjanin' Dmitrei Nikolaev) from Kastoria, arrived in Russia.

Archive of the Russian Ministry For Foreign Affairs,Year 7156

[Archduke]

I don't have an obession with Macedonians

Oh, really? :confused:


but l have an obession to burst the Bulgarian propaganda that is associated with Southern Serbia/Macedonia. Vojnik, listen man, l will get stabbed by Macedonians so many times and l will keep forgiving you guys, but l will never let a Bulgar get away with it. The problem is that the internet is flooded with Bulgarian propaganda which is hard not to look past it, you must, and say you must go, elsewhere to find the TRUTH, don't rely on the net and don't rely even on your family nor yugoslav propaganda as well. It took me years to find the TRUTH and the Bulgars hate it.

Everything which you do not agree is propaganda. It seems that you are really butthurt to spend years for "finding the truth".


There is many quotes and sources l have at my disposal, l have an old one here right in front of me, it happens to be at ZERO Bulgarian Influence and Zero Serbian Influence (Ottoman Empire):

Mitropolit Jeremiah from the City of "Pelagon" (Bitolj) went to Russia in 1603 saying that he comed from Serbian land.

Archive of the Russian Ministry For Foreign Affairs, Year 7112,Dec.19


would you like another one, o.k:

Archbiscop of Ohrid Avram in 1634 arrived in Russia with escort.When asked,they said they were Greeks from the Serbian land of Ohrid (Grechane Serpskie zemli iz Ahridona Goroda).

Archive of the Russian Ministry Of Foreign Affairs, Year 7142,No 8

Since you gave me three, l will also re-pay you the favour:

Austrian Emperor Leopold proclaimed Jovan Monastirlija from Bitolj a Vojvoda (Military chieftain) of the Serbian nation in Austria in 1691.

Trifunoski,F.J. "Makedoniziranje Juzhne Srbije" Beograd 1995 pp.24

Why not one more:

The Urgent Congregation of Roman Catholic Church in 1742 issued an report which states that "Serbs of Greek Rite" are peopling Croatia,Slavonia,Hungary,Serbia,Thrace,Macedonia,A lbania and Montenegro.

Archivum Sacrae Congregationis de Propaganda Fide."Congregazioni Particolari"Vol.106.Fol.1



Most of my quotes here are prior to the 20th century and Bulgarian Exarchos, they are during the OTTOMAN EMPIRE!

In 1644 a Serb,Dimitrije Nikolajev (Serbjanin' Dmitrei Nikolaev) from Kastoria, arrived in Russia.

Archive of the Russian Ministry For Foreign Affairs,Year 7156


I can show you thousand of such quotes, proves and events, happened in Macedonia, which prove the Bulgarian character of the region. But unfortunately, nobody has the time (years) like you to deal with this. :coffee:

[Novi Pazar]

^ Sure, l can even add thousand more prior from 1872. You only have sources from Venelin ONWARDS! Most of them, 99%, will be from the LATE 19th century (1872 - 1912).

Finito ala musica Armani ;)

[morski]

"We have many times heard from the Macedonists that they are not Bulgarians but Macedonians,descendants of the Ancient Macedonians" - Slaveykov ( Year: 1871)

Vojnik, are you aware of the context of this statement by Slaveykov? It is aimed at the Bulgarophone Patriarchists in Macedonia who despite being ethnic Bulgarians decided to join the Greek nation.

Before the Greeks reinstated the name Macedonia the local Bulgarians refered to the region as Lower Moesia or Lower Bulgaria.

[Vojnik]

Vojnik, are you aware of the context of this statement by Slaveykov? It is aimed at the Bulgarophone Patriarchists in Macedonia who despite being ethnic Bulgarians decided to join the Greek nation.

Before the Greeks reinstated the name Macedonia the local Bulgarians refered to the region as Lower Moesia or Lower Bulgaria.

morski, brat, do you have anything to back that up, or is it merely just you're own personal interpretation of that quote?

Macedonians have been documented expressing that they are decendents of Ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great. Check out this manifesto taken from the book titled, "Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe (1770-1945) edited by Balázs Trencsényi, Michal Kopeček, page 484-485". which I will post in this thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1066279#post1066279

[morski]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1066160&postcount=31

[Novi Pazar]

Vojnik, are you aware of the context of this statement by Slaveykov? It is aimed at the Bulgarophone Patriarchists in Macedonia who despite being ethnic Bulgarians decided to join the Greek nation.

Before the Greeks reinstated the name Macedonia the local Bulgarians refered to the region as Lower Moesia or Lower Bulgaria.

Thats actually not true Morski. It doesn't mean when one just joins the Exarchos they are Bulgars! There were many who still wanted to remain with the Patriarchate!

Do you want me to explain why Macedonian Serbs had these feelings?

[morski]

Thats actually not true Morski. It doesn't mean when one just joins the Exarchos they are Bulgars! There were many who still wanted to remain with the Patriarchate!

Do you want me to explain why Macedonian Serbs had these feelings?


You don't have a clue to what I said, do you? :picard1:

[Lena]

I am absolutely disgusted at this. :mad:

Why? Allergic on $ or something :wink? It was the only way for you to obtain a large amount of money needed to rebuild what has been ruined. Not a big deal.

[Midori]

Why? Allergic on $ or something :wink? It was the only way for you to obtain a large amount of money needed to rebuild what has been ruined. Not a big deal.

Typical Bulgarian nationalist thinking. Those evil Serbs!!1 :D

[Vojnik]

Why? Allergic on $ or something :wink? It was the only way for you to obtain a large amount of money needed to rebuild what has been ruined. Not a big deal.

I was disgusted at the fact that they called it a "Serbian uprising" when it was nothing of the sort.

[Bugarash 1893]

As I have said many times.
The spirit of the serbian occupation is still alive in Macedonia today,more alive than it was during the occupation because it has been adopted by the macedonian population.

A diploma issued by the Skopje firefighter brigade during the time of the serbian occupation:

Look at the city coat of arms on the shield the girl is holding

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398737_2844204555855_1838302633_n.jpg

The current coat of arms of the city of Skopje

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Coat_of_arms_of_Skopje.svg/250px-Coat_of_arms_of_Skopje.svg.png

[Bugarash 1893]

The Zebrenjak monument built during the serbian occupation of Macedonia in 1937, for the 25th anniversary of the Battle of Kumanovo which took place on 23 and 24 October 1912 during the First Balkan War, between the Turkish Vardar Army and the First Serbian Army.

The battle however was won thanks to the indirect help of the bulgarian armies.

Today serbs celebrate this is the liberation of Vardar Macedonia but in reality it was the start of the serbian occupation which has been more brutal than the ottoman yoke.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu116/volan-s/9-32.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/a/a4/Spomen-kosturnica_na_brdu_Zebrnjak_1937.jpg


On 24 May 1942, monument was destroyed by the Bulgarian army in the Second World War.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu116/volan-s/9-51.jpg?t=1256053859


Every year serbomans and serbs gather to celebrate the battle

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[Bugarash 1893]

Post stamps published during the serbian occupation.

The name 'Macedonia' was banned for use by the serbs.
The name used for Macedonia was 'Vardar Banovina'

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http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/397538_2844204675858_319850835_n.jpg

[Guapo]

Post stamps published during the serbian occupation.

The name 'Macedonia' was banned for use by the serbs.
The name used for Macedonia was 'Vardar Banovina'


http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/397538_2844204675858_319850835_n.jpg

Apparently so was the name "Serbia". man you're dumb.

[Crn Volk]

Apparently so was the name "Serbia". man you're dumb.

Ignorant Bulgars;

http://www.montenet.org/history/banovina.gif

[BeerBaron]

The Balkans indeed.

[MegaArgus1]

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[MegaArgus1]

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[Bugarash 1893]

Ignorant Bulgars;

http://www.montenet.org/history/banovina.gif

All of those banovinas were part of Montenegro,Slovenia,Serbia...

The term 'Macedonia' was banned back then,there was no other term for that region exept for Vardar Banovina or South Serbia.

[Bugarash 1893]

...

Dear fyromian.
Can you stop spamming the damn thread?

[MegaArgus1]

Dear fyromian.
Can you stop spamming the damn thread?

You Don't Like the Truth, The Serbians never terrorized Macedonians that was done by the Bulgarians. Fyromian still means Macedonian we were part of Yugoslavia and I am proud of it.

[Bugarash 1893]

You Don't Like the Truth, The Serbians never terrorized Macedonians that was done by the Bulgarians.


The Serbians never terrorized Macedonians that was done by the Bulgarians.
:picard1::D

Do you expect me to even prove that you're wrong?


Fyromian still means Macedonian we were part of Yugoslavia and I am proud of it.

One thing you are,and thats pathetic.

[MegaArgus1]

:picard1::D

Do you expect me to even prove that you're wrong?

who you are to prove me....

One thing you are,and thats pathetic.

i respect my nation you betrayed it ...you call it pathetic or whatever....you hate yugoslavia because you love bulgaria so it be

[Bugarash 1893]

i respect my nation you betrayed it ...you call it pathetic or whatever....you hate yugoslavia because you love bulgaria so it be

There is no 'your nation'
The macedonian nation is a political creation after WW2 when the communist converted a toponym into an ethnonim!

I admit that there were small winds in Macedonia that pushed toward creating an macedonian nation but almost all of them if not all had serbo-greek backing.

When the communists came they just sealed the deal by letting macedonism enter on a institutional scene.

An idology that in the last 70 years,especially in the first 50 years spread to the entire slavic population of Macedonia.

The 50 years of isolation of Bulgaria from the slavic populations of Vardar and Aegean Macedonia helped in that.

And all of this has its roots planted by Serbia and Greece who knew that if Bulgaria got Macedonia,the resources of Macedonia,territory, the geographical location it will recive with Macedonia...it would have meant destruction of the serbian and greek state and probably paving the path to Bulgaria on becoming an european factor and just a regional balkan power.

[poiuytrewq0987]

From a Macedonian source; aside the biased reporting about the evil Bulgarians I think it's pretty accurate about what went on in Macedonia during early Yugoslavian years.

After the Paris Peace Conference, the 25,713 square kilometers and 728,286 inhabitants of Vardar Macedonia were incorporated within the borders of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. For seven years from 1912 to 1918, Macedonia had been a battle ground for invasion and counter-invasion, raid and defense. The countryside was devastated, and the death toll from direct action or hunger and malnourishment high.

Immediately after war's end, the peacetime Yugoslav government quickly instituted a renewed authoritarian regime in Macedonia of punishments, reprisals, court sentences and torture. Yugoslav regulations provided for 20 years imprisonment at hard labor for forming "anti-government organizations", and two years imprisonment for instigating strikes. Moreover, the Macedonian people of Vardar Macedonia were official non-existent and the use of the Macedonian language and the term "Macedonian" were forbidden. Radničke novine (Workers' Newspaper) in March 1920 wrote that "the prisoners, who were in the Prilep jail for 10 to 12 months for political reasons, stirred up mutiny. They requested to be taken to court and put on trial. A fight broke out with the guards and, as a result, all of the prisoners were put in chains."

Greater Greek, Greater Bulgarian and Greater Serbian politics alike applied generally identical methods and means in their attempts to denationalize and assimilate the Macedonians. By the "Regulation for the Settlement of the 'New, Southern Regions'" dated September 24, 1920, Macedonian land was granted to colonists from other parts of Yugoslavia willing to settle in the region. This policy was aimed at breaking the cohesiveness of the Macedonian population within their own homeland. By the end of 1928, some data suggests that 6,377 families had been settled in the region on 63,939 hectares of land.

Privredni glasnik (Economic Herald) on February, 1921 wrote that "Murders and robberies are committed everywhere. One of the essential operations, agrarian reform, has begun to be carried out in a strange manner. It progressed slowly in one direction then came to a standstill, followed by a turn off the path and a retrogression. A few contradictory regulations and numerous differing interpretations and ministerial announcements caused real chaos. The selfish actions of the agrarian chiefs, the deliyas [brave men] were natural, [those] who in fact became the real masters in regulating the concrete cases. We are witnessing how the true farmers are deprived of their land, given to various speculators who have had nothing to do with agriculture in their entire life."

For that reason, it was not surprising that in the local administration elections held in the summer of 1920, a considerable segment of the population voted for leftist parties-especially for the Communists, who gained control of the local administrations in Veles, Kumanovo, Kavadarci and Skopje. In the November, 1920 elections for the Constituent Assembly, out of the total 105,000 votes 40,200 were secured by delegates from Macedonia, winning 15 mandates.

As a result of that victory, the commander of the Third Army requested district chiefs-of-staff in Vardar Macedonia to take the following steps:

to isolate certain villages
to follow the field shepherds
to determine points for crossing the Vardar River where people may be allowed to cross the river only between sunrise and sunset
to displace the population of the villages of Gradec, Konsko, Petrovo and Sermenin
to strengthen the garrisons in Kavadarci and Valandovo each with an additional infantry battalion and a machine-gun squad, two infantry battalions to be added in Strumica, etc
the clerks-communists to be removed from the district, as they had been the first to spread communist ideas not knowing whom they had been serving to
to increase rewards for information
to strengthen police stations in the former frontiers of Serbia
after garrisons are strengthened, to begin collecting taxes and giving orders to report for military service or military exercises, as communist agitation is directed against the army and taxes
not a single person may go from one commune to another without an identity.
The Obzana (edict) of December 29 and 30, 1920, outlawed the Communist Party and banned trade unions. Political life in Macedonia was impoverished, and the solid base of the national Macedonian movement was lost, as other political parties upheld Greater Serbian ideals regarding the Serbian character of Vardar Macedonia.

Following the murder of Gjorche Petrov, the dissolution of the temporary government and the passing of the December 29 Obzana, Vrhovist armed bands, small bands and individual saboteurs were dispatched from Bulgaria to Vardar Macedonia on an increasingly frequent basis. Their aim was to pave the way for the creation of an autonomist movement in Vardar Macedonia, and for that purpose slogans were used to arouse the anger of the Macedonians against the Yugoslav government. However, lurking in the shadows was still the dream of annexing Vardar Macedonia to Bulgaria.

The period from 1922 to 1930 was marked by 63 assassinations in Vardar Macedonia. To answer the Vrhovist challenge or any other resistance against them, state authorities undertook "the white terror," including mass arrests-for example, after the murder of General Kovachevich in Shtip more than 400 people were imprisoned-as well as trials, dismissals from work and torture. To revenge the killing of colonists at Kadrifakovo and of soldiers in the village of Garvan, all the adult males from the village were taken and shot, without trial. In order to maintain "law and order" in Vardar Macedonia, now renamed Vardarska Banovina (the Vardar Regional District), 35,000 soldiers, military policemen, frontier guards and paramilitary bands were deployed.

In autumn 1927, the Greater Serbian regime unleashed a new, violent offensive aimed at achieving a Serbian solution of "the Macedonian Question" in Vardarksa Banovina, heralded by the institution of the Dictatorship of January 6. In a letter sent by the zhupans (heads of administrative districts) and the military police commanders in Vardar Macedonia to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Internal Affairs dated December 1927, a dozen measures were proposed under the pretext of combating infiltrators. But the ultimate aim was the denationalization of Vardar Macedonia and the creation of a police state.

The situation in Vardar Macedonia became desperate. A report of the Ministry for Internal Affairs dated November 22, 1926 states "in the towns and, particularly in the villages, the people are underfed... in the villages food mainly consists of rye bread, onions, vinegar, salad and yogurt. Salt is very rarely used because, as the peasants say, it is very expensive. Meals are rarely cooked or fat and oil used as the people are generally fasting. I counted 260 fasting days in a year... Owing to malnutrition, [children and new-borns] are in bad condition. There are communes where the recruits look miserable and the percentage of capability is equal to zero..."

In an appeal on February 1, 1928, a group of Macedonian citizens warned of the true situation: "Macedonia is suffering. What is going on here cannot be endured any more. A time has come when we here do not know whether when night falls we will live to see the dawn, or when it dawns whether we will live to see the night. People here are in a desperate situation. On one hand, Protogerov sends his bands to commit assassinations, the result of which is always that innocent Macedonians suffer. On the other hand, every such assassination attempt, regardless of whether it is its successful or not, is taken advantage of by the present regime to apply more violent terror, which can lead only to evil. Thus, the dispute over the possession of Macedonia is conducted over our backs, and it is only the Macedonians who suffer from such settlement of accounts, although they do no take part in it and condemn both sides."

With the incorporation of Vardar Macedonia into the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, teachers and clergy who had not previously worked in Serbian schools and churches were regarded as undesirable. A considerable number of formerly exarchate schools were closed, and in the school year 1922/23 alone 130 schools were closed in the Vardar region. A formula of "dosed education" was applied, which would enable denationalization and "manufacture excellent Serbs". Through the schools and other institutions and organizations, the regime endeavored to strangle all Macedonian national consciousness and tradition, to root out the use of the mother tongue, and to distort history and ethnography. In carrying out enforced denationalization and assimilation, monstrous measures, terrible persecutions and mass terror were employed against the Macedonian people and against the Albanian and Turkish nationalities. Macedonians, Albanians and Turks lost their lives defending their human and national rights. By 1926, more than 1,600 people were executed without investigation or trial, while thousands of martyrs had been imprisoned.

Parallel to the denationalization policy of the authorities, the Macedonian Question was chiefly addressed by the activities of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (CPY). Ivan Katardzhiev stresses that "the policies of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia in respect to the Macedonian national question, despite a certain straying during the first years of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, can not be treated separately from first, the complexity of the national question of the Yugoslav peoples within the framework of the new state; second, the relation of Macedonian representatives in the ranks of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia; and third, the viewpoint of the Vukovar Congress (1920) that 'the Communist Party of Yugoslavia will continue to uphold the idea of national unity and equality of all nations in the country'."

On July 20, 1923, the Sarajevo newspaper Vecerwa posta (Evening Post) reported that "a new youth organization, 'Macedonian Group,' was formed in Southern Serbia". According to somewhat sketchy data, a number of democratic delegates from Macedonia took part in the formation of the group, led by Gligor Anastasov from Kavadarci, Trajko Arsov from Shtip and Dimitrie Chichevich from Prilep. The idea of forming a Macedonian party was aimed at "grouping the forces of people's delegates, in order that-as unified people's delegates-they might truly contribute to improving the unenviable position of Southern Serbia." In letters to the Parliamentary Club of the Democratic Party, Gligor Atanasov explained that this initiative was also prompted by the fact that "one cannot conceive of a lower level of decline and greater chaos and injustice... Macedonia is neglected in every respect..." In an interview with the Free Tribune, Atanasov states that "Macedonia, which most regularly fulfills its duties towards the state, is neglected in every respect. The question of public security, the agrarian question, road and railway traffic, the question of economic recovery, the emigrant question and many other questions of vital importance for the new province cannot come on the agenda of serious study and solution, for the simple reason that Macedonia does not have representatives in the parliament in a position-as a united whole with greater authority and less party passion-to point out the importance of these questions to the competent authorities."

Many aspects of the formation of this party remain unclear, its political platform being one of them-particularly considering that Gligor Atanasov, after the disintegration of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, joined (if not previously a member) the Vancho Mihajlov group, which greeted the Bulgarian occupation of Macedonia in 1941 as "a historic act".

The Macedonian Popular Movement (MANAPO) emerged in 1936, founded by a group of Macedonian students and communists who passed a political declaration-which, unfortunately, is now lost. But the main principles of this movement have been preserved: to fight for the "recognition of Macedonia as an individual historical unit and the Macedonians as a separate people", and for Macedonia "to be a separate unit within the framework of Yugoslavia which would be transformed into a federal state community."

In his "Letter on Serbia" dated November 2, 1936, Josip Broz Tito stressed that "... The platform [of the People's Front] must clearly and unequivocally emphasize the resoluteness that the right of all peoples to self-determination will be respected, i.e. not only the right of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, but also of Macedonians and Montenegrins, as well as the right of the people in Voivodina, Bosnia and Herzegovina to decide for themselves whether they will retain their regional independence within the federal state."

The recognition of the Macedonian nation by the Comintern determined the viewpoint of the CPY in respect to the struggle of the Macedonian for recognition. Although the Communist Party of Macedonia (CPM) was not created within the framework of the CPY, in the spring of 1939 the Central Committee of the CPY issued its position on the Macedonian national question: "it is beyond any doubt that the Macedonians are a seperate nation in the Balkans (they are neither Greeks, nor Bulgarians, nor Serbs)."

In the meantime, the Macedonian language gained ground. In some newspapers with a leftist orientation, such as Zagreb's Our Newspaper and Skopje's Light, Our Reality and Our Word, literary works and articles in Macedonian were published. The Skopje theater performed a number of plays in either the literary Macedonian language or in dialects, including but not limited to productions of The Runaway and The Rich Man Theodos by Vasil Iljoski; Money is Murder, Antitsa and Millions of Martyrs by Risto Krle; and Migrant Workers by Anton Panov. The appearance of White Dawns by Kosta Solev Racin fulfilled "a historical necessity-at the time it was published, this collection of poems signified the culmination of the drive toward the definite establishment of the Macedonian language and toward gaining recognition of Macedonian national culture in general." White Dawns heralded "the awakening of a people, which, in its struggle for a better life, had matured to creating its national culture."

Events in Macedonia were not completely ignored in the outside world. André Vaillant, a great French Slavicist, wrote in 1938 that "...The term 'Slavonic Macedonian' is unclear only for those who want it to be unclear. The Slavonic Macedonian represents reality to such an extent that in the 19th century there existed a Macedonian literary language, the language of a very small among of learned literature but of a rather abundant folk literature. It is not a question of documents and folklore as can be collected anywhere: the lyric Macedonian poem, highly esteemed in Serbia and Bulgaria, represents an authentic literary genre of real value. This literary language, based on dialects which naturally differ somewhat from each other, did not have sufficient time unify. But its centers were Skopje, Tetovo, Ohrid, Bitola (Manastir), Voden (Edessa), etc."

In that same year the Polish Slavicist Mieczyslaw Malecki concurred with Vaillant, "...However, it should be added that, beside the Macedonian characteristics which mirror the developments of either the Bulgarian or Serbo-Croat languages, there are also entirely individual features which, in such form, do not appear in either of those languages [Bulgarian and Serbo-Croat]. For that reason, my reply to the question whether the Macedonian dialects are Serbian or Bulgarian would be that they are neither Serbian nor Bulgarian, but the majority of them represent an individual dialectal type (which could also be named a Macedonian language), tied by strong knots of kinship to the two languages. Macedonian is a transition between the Serbian and Bulgarian, and its attachment to only one of those languages is baseless from a linguistic point of view."

Irrespective of the issue of recognition, the national consciousness of the Macedonian people was already strongly developed. The violent dialogue between a group of young intellectuals and the Serbian professor Nikola Vulich in 1940 when the latter publicly denied the existence of either Macedonia, a Macedonian people or a Macedonian language (as well as the reaction his denial caused) was clear evidence that it was political and international conditions which prevented the Macedonian people from obtaining recognition. The numerous leaflets, appeals and proclamations passed by the Regional Committee of the CPM and other left-orientated organizations and movements are an indication that there was no question-at least for the Macedonians-whether they felt themselves to be Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks-or Macedonians.

The Resolution of the Regional Committee of the CPY for Macedonia stresses: "only a free and independent Macedonia can guarantee the freedom of all suppressed and enslaved people in Macedonia." The Resolution of the Fifth Countrywide Conference of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, held from October 19 to 23, 1940, calls the Macedonian struggle "...A struggle for equality and self-determination of the Macedonian people against the oppression of the Serbian bourgeoisie, at the same time revealing the true face of the Italian and Bulgarian imperialists and their agents, who, by way of demagogic promises, also wish to suppress the Macedonian people."

At the beginning of October 1940, in his article "Balkan War Provocateurs", Tito wrote: "And today, while the destruction of the entire Versailles system is underway and the Bulgarian and Serbian reactionaries compete in a belligerent and pugnacious way whether Macedonia should be an ornament of the Bulgarian or the Yugoslav royal crowns, we must shout louder than ever to those instigators of war that Macedonia is neither Serbian nor Bulgarian. Macedonia, that suppressed country where the freedom-loving Macedonian people are exposed to the most cruel terrors, hungers, denationalizations and exploitations; have suffered under Serbian national hegemony for many years. That blood-soaked country is not here to serve as a decoration for someone's crown, nor to be a dowry of the Serbian or Bulgarian bourgeoisie, but to be free from national suppression. The Macedonian people are fighting for their national liberation and in that struggle they have made great human and material sacrifices so far. To this, as well as to any other suppressed people, no action whatsoever can crush their will for freedom, nor could it destroy their right to self-determination, the right to govern their fates by themselves. Neither the Bulgarian nor the Serbian bourgeoisie have any right to Macedonia."

The Macedonian people already possessed a highly-developed sense of their individuality and right to independence and freedom when the fires of war flamed across the border, urged on by the attacks on Greece by Italy and on Yugoslavia by Nazi Germany.

[Loki]

Dear fyromian.
Can you stop spamming the damn thread?

This is the Macedonia section after all ..

[Bugarash 1893]

This is the Macedonia section after all ..

And he is posting stuff that has nothing to do with the subject.

[Guapo]

One thing you are,and thats pathetic.

No, you're pathetic with your lies about Serbs and Macedonians, you terrorized both Serbian and Macedonian civilians for hundreds of years. :picard1:


There is no 'your nation'


At least their nation was named after a native European tribe unlike yours.

[ioan assen]

At least their nation was named after a native European tribe unlike yours.
To which you dont have connection. If you have any connection with any ancient Balkanians its the Peonian Thracians. Also your connection with the Macedonians is NOT attested throughout the Middle Ages. So the fact that you named yourself after a nation you are not connected to is even more rediculous than Bulgarians being named after asian tribe. By the way, all indoeuropeans come from Asia (including most of presenday Europeans).

[Bugarash 1893]

Serbian loses in fight with Albanian Kachaks and Bulgarian Komitadjis in Kosovo and Macedonia.

Dont know how valid are these numbers though

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9343/72095675.jpg

[Crn Volk]

Failed Serbianization policies in Macedonia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation#Vardar_Macedonia

[Crn Volk]

СРПСКАТА КОЛОНИЗАЦИЈА ВО ПРИЛЕПСКО

http://www.oldprilep.com/kolonizacija-prilepsko/

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AГРАРНА РЕФОРМА

Во времето на потпаѓањето на Вардарска Македонија под кралството Србија (Подоцна СХС), 84% од населението било селско, од кои 2/3 биле сиромашни селани, кои од обработката на земјата често не заработувале ни за основна прехрана. Бедните селани најчесто биле исполџии и чифлигари кај големите земјопоседници, на кои им давале 1/2, 1/3 или во најповолен случај 1/4 од приносите на нивите кои ги обработувале.

Во 1919 година кралството СХС донесло одредби за аграрна реформа, со кои се предвидувало да се постигне:
- Произвоство на неискористените комплекси;
- Со колонизација на одземената земја да се донесат напредни земјоделци од северните краишта на земјата;
- Решавање на социјалното прашање на селаните без земја;
- Државата да ја плати одземената земја, која подоцна селаните требало да ја откупат преку разни даноци и давачки.

На овие аграрни реформи противници биле големите земјопоседници и чифлиг-сајбиите, кои твределе дека се најоштетени во војната од 1915 до 1918 година, бидејќи голем дел од приносите им биле одземени, додека на чифлигарите не давале ништо. Најголем противник за овие аграрни реформи бил Јордан Бомбол, кој за решение на новонастанатата состојба предложил да се имаат следните причини:

1. Правни: Според кои спрема законските прописи и тапиите не може да се одземе земјата;
2. Социјални: Според кои чифчиите со реформите ќе изгубат, бидејќи во чифлиците и големите поседи се згрижени и имаат поголема материјална корист;
3. Економски: Дека со раситнувањето на земјата истата помалку се обработува, а додека во големите поседи се добиваат поголеми приноси;
4. Финансиски: Дел од државната земја (околу 300 хектари) не треба да се откупува, туку да се подели бесплатно, додека остатокот треба да се даде:
- За готови пари;
- Продажба преку краткорочни и долгорочни кредити;
- Давање под закуп со право на купување;
- Давање под постојан закуп;
- Давање на заеми за купување на земја.

СРПСКАТА КОЛОНИЗАЦИЈА ВО ПРИЛЕПСКО

Во периодот на српското владеење, колонизацијата во прилепско ја спроведувале: Аграрното одделение при Министерството за аграрна реформа на Кралството на СХС, аграрните заедници и задруги, Врховното поверенство на аграрната задруга во Скопје, аграрното поверенство во Прилеп и Вишиот аграрен суд во Скопје.

Со уредбата за населување на новоослободените територии од 20 февруари 1914 и нацртот за аграрна реформа од 9 мај 1919 година, во Прилеп и прилепско државата населила 304 домаќинства, на кои им е доделена земја. Исто така, доделена им е земја и на 203 тукашни домаќинства. По 10 хектари земја им е доделена на поголем број воени инвалиди и доброволци од Првата светска војна, а на заслужните србомански четници од прилепско, велешко и Порече им се дододелени површини до 20 хектари.

Поранешниот четнички војвода Василије Трбиќ, откако бил назначен за чиновник на аграрната реформа, се зафатил со разделување на претходно одземената земја од Арнаутите и Турците. Со земја во околината на Прилеп се здобиле повеќе негови четници и селани од србоманските села од Порече и велешко. Само во Браилово, каде што поседувал голема површина на земја, се доселиле 12 семејства од Богомила. Исто така, земја добиле или купиле за евтини пари голем број на локални политичари, чиновници, занаетчии, трговци и учители, односно луѓе кои никогаш не обработувале земја. Ваквите земјопоседници ја обработувале земјата со наемни работници или ја издавале под наем на сиромашните селани. Кога бил исцрпен фондот за слободна земја за колонизирање, државата од истите овие шпекуланти, со посредсво на влијателни политичари, ја откупувала земјата по двојно и тројно повисоки цени.

Во прилепско се создадени 24 колонии со доселени колонисти и автоколонисти. Поголеми колонии имало во селата: Заполжани, Големо Коњари, Беровци, Боротино и Лагово. Исто така се формирани неколку колонистички села: Александрово (Славеј), Петрово (Мирче Ацев), Караѓорѓево – кај Мажучиште, Милошево – меѓу Бучин и Светомитрани и Ново Лагово.

Спротивно од аграрната реформа, повеќето т.н „напредни земјоделци“ биле доселени од Далмација и Лика, краеви кои немаат врска со напредното земјоделие. Интересно е да се спомне дека во Александрово (Славеј) биле доселени 50 семејства од далматинското село Отишиќи, кои според нивни преданија сметале дека потекнуваат од Прилеп.

Колонистите и автоколонистите се здобиле со бројни привилегии:
- Бесплатен градежен материјал од државните шуми;
- Право на бесплатен превоз;
- Бесплатно користење на државни и селски утрини и пасишта;
- Ослободување од царина на колонистите доселени од странство;
- Ослободување од плаќање на данок до 10 години;
- Ослободување од плаќање на општински и бановински порези до 5 години.

Во прилепско, поради недостигот на земја, забележан е отпор кон колонистите од страна на староседелците. Во селото Александрово (Славеј) колонистите имале поплаки дека месното население преку ноќ им ги уништува насадите, им ги сече овошките и им ги урива оградите.Но, забележано е и ородување меѓу месните жители и далматинците во прилепско. Василије Трбиќ забележал дека локалните жители не само што се женеле со девојки од своите нови сограѓани, туку со посредство на доселениците се женеле и со Србинки од Далмација.

Со почетокот на Втората светска војна, секретарот на Покраинскиот комитет на КПЈ, Методија Шаторов-Шарло, ја издигнал паролата за создавање на национален фронт со сите противници на големосрпскиот режим и го застапувал ставот за иселување на сите колонисти од Македонија, без разлика дали тие биле продолжена рака на големосрпскиот режим или сиромашни селани. За време на бугарската окупација на Македонија, браќата Јордан и Димитар Чкатров и новосоздадените акциони комитети, потпомогнати од бугарската власт започнале кампања за протерување на српските колонисти од регионот.

По ослободувањето, Методија Андонов-Ченто заедно со Емануел Чучков се спротивставиле на одлуката за враќањето на српските колонисти во Македонија, сметајќи ги за реакционерни елементи и орудие на великосрпскиот шовинизам. Со законот за ревизија на доделената земја на колонистите и аграрните интересенти во НРМ, донесен на 3 август 1945 година од претседништвото на АВНОЈ, колонистите и месните корисници на аграрната реформа го губат правото на сопственост над земјата доделена по овие услови:

- Ако земјата била приватна сопственост на друг земјоделец;
- Ако до доделувањето земјата била обработувана од трето лице, чифчија или закупец;
- Ако не била обработувана или била давана под закуп;
- Ако земјата била сопственост на политички емигрант;
- Ако земјата била добиена како награда за услуги на ненародни режими.

По извршената ревизија, врз основа на законот, доделената земја можеле да ја задржат 1/3 од колонистите. 1.285 колонисти и нивните семејства ја изгубиле земјата во Македонија без право на замена, а 56 семејства добиле замена во Војводина. Народната власт, на сметка на колонистите кои останале во Македонија, населила 1.678 македонски семејства со вкупно 10.325 членови во Војводина.

[PAGANE]

A song sung in Tikveshko, ed.: "Macedonianism and Macedonia's Resistance Against It, Kosta Ternushanov, Univ. Ed." Kliment Ohridski ", Sofia, 1992, Chapter 13. Resistance of Macedonian Bulgarians to Armed Propaganda"
Бразда бразди Сайма,
вода мами,
ке си вади Сайма
росно цвеке,
росно цвеке Сайма,
ран босильок
ке си кичи Сайма войниците,
войниците Сайма – бугарските.

[PAGANE]

A song that was published by Elena Yosimovska, transmitted by her grandfather, an associate of Chernopeev.
"Пуста останала гарата, гарата Криволачка.
Там паднаа наште браќа
од Петти-македонски полк, 13 рота кртешна.
Ај стани стани ротни командире,
ротата ти напреднала, атаките ги одбласнаха.
Не можам браќа да станам,
френски ме куршум погоди
у лева страна у срце.
кога ќе вие минете покрај Ќустендилската гара,
мајка ми ќе ве посрешне и за мен ќе ве попита:
Каде е син ми Димитар, вашио ротен командир
вие браќа да и речете: Син ти се мајко ожени
за една мома Македонка,
за црна земја криволачка
и гробот му се намира
на лева страна од Вардар

[PAGANE]

This happened on October 14, 1912 (old style), after the previous day, October 13, 1912, the Serbian troops entered Skopje. The Serbian heir and leader of the Serbian army, Aleksandar Karadjordjevic, along with a group of officers, crosses the city's main street. Near the Stone Bridge on the Vardar River, he pauses in front of the assembled people and picks up a girl in his arms, who asks the question:
“Па шта си ти?“ (“Каква си ти?“) ("What are you?"), The child answers "Bugarka!" ("Bulgarka!"). This response does not appeal to the Crown Prince, who clearly wants every Bulgarian to instantly become a Serb, angry, and this lowers him to a level of cynicism. He slaps his child's slap and continues to ask him, „Кажи, каква си ти“„Речи ща си ти“ - "Tell me what you are"! Then this satrap, thinking that everything can be bought, offers a bribe. He pulls out a coin from his pocket, shows it to the girl and says he'll give it to him if he says she's a girl. The child took the heroic slap, replying even more categorically that she was Bulgarian. Enraged, offended and humiliated by this failure, the heir to the throne falls so low that he hits two more slaps on the child, swears at him vulgarly, in his own words, and leaves. The news of the incident provoked violent reactions and disapproval in the Bulgarian press and Bulgarian society. People's poet Ivan Vazov, who, in an emotional outburst of emotion, wrote his poem "What are you?" In April 1913, is also involved in expressing discontent. In 1913, Vaska's family sought rescue in Sofia.
The negative response from this act around the world causes Alexander Karadjordjevic, already as King of the Kingdom of the Serbo-Croatian, to continue to be interested in the Zoichev family. The Serbian Legation in Sofia in 1920 and 1921 sought Danail Zoichev to make him the following proposal: to be offered one million levs at the time to publicly make out that the prince had fabricated a claim to have slapped the child. Daniel is invited to the embassy, ​​but he refuses to go and take a bribe. Even after many years, King Alexander never ceases to be interested in what happened to the girl, where she is, and so on.
Because of this case, Vaska Zoicheva was included in the "Martyrs" section of the famous almanac "Macedonia" and is also mentioned in the book "Serbian Atrocities in Macedonia (1912 - 1913)" by Kiril Perlichev, son of the great poet Grigor Perlichev.
Vaska Zoicheva is the daughter of Danail Zoichev and Lyuba Zoicheva of Prilep. Her father is a member of the IMORP Prilep Committee
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[Crn Volk]

Carnegie Endowment for International peace
Report ... to inquire into the causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars


APPENDIX D

Documents Relating to Chapter II

THE SERVIANS IN THE SECOND WAR

No. 53.—EVIDENCE OF GEOGHI VARNALIEV, Headmaster of the Bulgarian School at Kavadartsi, near Tikvesh.
On July 1, when the battle of Krivolak began, he was arrested with seven other Bulgarian notables and informed by the prefect that a state of siege existed, and that they would be kept as hostages till the end of the war. They were three days in prison, but were released after the Servian defeat. The secretary of the Servian prefect did everything possible to ensure their safety. Some drunken gendarmes were, however, left behind in the Servian retreat, and these killed the servant of the mayor and wounded a woman. The Macedonian volunteers of the Bulgarian army then occupied the town and behaved well, but left on July 7. There then began a systematic burning of all the Bulgarian villages in the neighborhood. This was carried out by Turks, accompanied by Servian soldiers and officers. Among the villages burned were Negotin (800 houses), Kamendol, Gornodissal, Haskovo, etc. The peasants from these places came to their town and told their stories of massacre and pillage. On July 8, the Servians arrived in Kavadartsi and killed twenty-five Bulgarians, mostly refugees from neighboring villages, among them were the mayor and five notables of their own town. The mayor was accused of tearing up a Servian flag and helping the Macedonians. Two lads aged thirteen and fifteen, named Dorev, were killed because a bomb had exploded near their house, and they were absurdly suspected. He saw the bodies, which were all buried, still bound, just outside the town. He witnessed the pillage of about thirty shops and the burning of fifteen houses. Four women went mad from fear in their flight from Kavadartsi and two of them are said to have killed their own children, lest they should fall into the hands of the Servians.

http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/carnegie/appendix_d.html

[Bosniensis]

Serbs wanted whole balkans to become Serbian then even their core populace fragmented into Montenegrins, Bosnian Serbs etc...

You can't create a nation by force.

[Ford]

Cool

[Aspar]

https://m.mkd.mk/kolumni/bratsho-makedonci

Доста добро напишано...

Интересно е што Србите се обидоа да ги уништат локалните дијалекти, уште еден факт кој добро зборува за нив како геноцидаши, не само во права смисла на зборот но и културни геноцидаши.

И сепак, Македонците многу малку учат за ова, како сеуште да не можеме да се ослободиме од синџирите на ропството.

За тоа доволно зборува и фактот дека ако сакаш пријателство со Бугарија и ако си на мислење дека историјата на Македонците и Бугарите е испреплетена и сврзана тогаш си Бугараш(српски збор инаку кој навлегува во Македонија со српската окупација).

[Crn Volk]

https://m.mkd.mk/kolumni/bratsho-makedonci

Доста добро напишано...

Интересно е што Србите се обидоа да ги уништат локалните дијалекти, уште еден факт кој добро зборува за нив како геноцидаши, не само во права смисла на зборот но и културни геноцидаши.

И сепак, Македонците многу малку учат за ова, како сеуште да не можеме да се ослободиме од синџирите на ропството.

За тоа доволно зборува и фактот дека ако сакаш пријателство со Бугарија и ако си на мислење дека историјата на Македонците и Бугарите е испреплетена и сврзана тогаш си Бугараш(српски збор инаку кој навлегува во Македонија со српската окупација).

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

[Aspar]

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

Тоа е за време на Тиквешкото востание така?

[Crn Volk]

Тоа е за време на Тиквешкото востание така?

Yes, these rebellions don't receive enough attention in N Macedonia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikve%C5%A1_uprising

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid%E2%80%93Debar_uprising

[PAGANE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tidKo5qq2A

[Pribislav]

Guy who open this thread have nick bugarash. :rotfl:

Serbs liberated Vardarska from Ottomans ofter 520 years. When I see ungrateful Skopians who spread anti-Serbian propaganda I think we should leave Vardarska to stay Turkish for longer.

[Pribislav]

СРПСКАТА КОЛОНИЗАЦИЈА ВО ПРИЛЕПСКО

http://www.oldprilep.com/kolonizacija-prilepsko/

http://www.oldprilep.com/wp-content/themes/oldprilep/scripts/timthumb.php?src=http://www.oldprilep.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/pril02-19.jpg&w=940&zc=1

AГРАРНА РЕФОРМА

Во времето на потпаѓањето на Вардарска Македонија под кралството Србија (Подоцна СХС), 84% од населението било селско, од кои 2/3 биле сиромашни селани, кои од обработката на земјата често не заработувале ни за основна прехрана. Бедните селани најчесто биле исполџии и чифлигари кај големите земјопоседници, на кои им давале 1/2, 1/3 или во најповолен случај 1/4 од приносите на нивите кои ги обработувале.

Во 1919 година кралството СХС донесло одредби за аграрна реформа, со кои се предвидувало да се постигне:
- Произвоство на неискористените комплекси;
- Со колонизација на одземената земја да се донесат напредни земјоделци од северните краишта на земјата;
- Решавање на социјалното прашање на селаните без земја;
- Државата да ја плати одземената земја, која подоцна селаните требало да ја откупат преку разни даноци и давачки.

На овие аграрни реформи противници биле големите земјопоседници и чифлиг-сајбиите, кои твределе дека се најоштетени во војната од 1915 до 1918 година, бидејќи голем дел од приносите им биле одземени, додека на чифлигарите не давале ништо. Најголем противник за овие аграрни реформи бил Јордан Бомбол, кој за решение на новонастанатата состојба предложил да се имаат следните причини:

1. Правни: Според кои спрема законските прописи и тапиите не може да се одземе земјата;
2. Социјални: Според кои чифчиите со реформите ќе изгубат, бидејќи во чифлиците и големите поседи се згрижени и имаат поголема материјална корист;
3. Економски: Дека со раситнувањето на земјата истата помалку се обработува, а додека во големите поседи се добиваат поголеми приноси;
4. Финансиски: Дел од државната земја (околу 300 хектари) не треба да се откупува, туку да се подели бесплатно, додека остатокот треба да се даде:
- За готови пари;
- Продажба преку краткорочни и долгорочни кредити;
- Давање под закуп со право на купување;
- Давање под постојан закуп;
- Давање на заеми за купување на земја.

СРПСКАТА КОЛОНИЗАЦИЈА ВО ПРИЛЕПСКО

Во периодот на српското владеење, колонизацијата во прилепско ја спроведувале: Аграрното одделение при Министерството за аграрна реформа на Кралството на СХС, аграрните заедници и задруги, Врховното поверенство на аграрната задруга во Скопје, аграрното поверенство во Прилеп и Вишиот аграрен суд во Скопје.

Со уредбата за населување на новоослободените територии од 20 февруари 1914 и нацртот за аграрна реформа од 9 мај 1919 година, во Прилеп и прилепско државата населила 304 домаќинства, на кои им е доделена земја. Исто така, доделена им е земја и на 203 тукашни домаќинства. По 10 хектари земја им е доделена на поголем број воени инвалиди и доброволци од Првата светска војна, а на заслужните србомански четници од прилепско, велешко и Порече им се дододелени површини до 20 хектари.

Поранешниот четнички војвода Василије Трбиќ, откако бил назначен за чиновник на аграрната реформа, се зафатил со разделување на претходно одземената земја од Арнаутите и Турците. Со земја во околината на Прилеп се здобиле повеќе негови четници и селани од србоманските села од Порече и велешко. Само во Браилово, каде што поседувал голема површина на земја, се доселиле 12 семејства од Богомила. Исто така, земја добиле или купиле за евтини пари голем број на локални политичари, чиновници, занаетчии, трговци и учители, односно луѓе кои никогаш не обработувале земја. Ваквите земјопоседници ја обработувале земјата со наемни работници или ја издавале под наем на сиромашните селани. Кога бил исцрпен фондот за слободна земја за колонизирање, државата од истите овие шпекуланти, со посредсво на влијателни политичари, ја откупувала земјата по двојно и тројно повисоки цени.

Во прилепско се создадени 24 колонии со доселени колонисти и автоколонисти. Поголеми колонии имало во селата: Заполжани, Големо Коњари, Беровци, Боротино и Лагово. Исто така се формирани неколку колонистички села: Александрово (Славеј), Петрово (Мирче Ацев), Караѓорѓево – кај Мажучиште, Милошево – меѓу Бучин и Светомитрани и Ново Лагово.

Спротивно од аграрната реформа, повеќето т.н „напредни земјоделци“ биле доселени од Далмација и Лика, краеви кои немаат врска со напредното земјоделие. Интересно е да се спомне дека во Александрово (Славеј) биле доселени 50 семејства од далматинското село Отишиќи, кои според нивни преданија сметале дека потекнуваат од Прилеп.

Колонистите и автоколонистите се здобиле со бројни привилегии:
- Бесплатен градежен материјал од државните шуми;
- Право на бесплатен превоз;
- Бесплатно користење на државни и селски утрини и пасишта;
- Ослободување од царина на колонистите доселени од странство;
- Ослободување од плаќање на данок до 10 години;
- Ослободување од плаќање на општински и бановински порези до 5 години.

Во прилепско, поради недостигот на земја, забележан е отпор кон колонистите од страна на староседелците. Во селото Александрово (Славеј) колонистите имале поплаки дека месното население преку ноќ им ги уништува насадите, им ги сече овошките и им ги урива оградите.Но, забележано е и ородување меѓу месните жители и далматинците во прилепско. Василије Трбиќ забележал дека локалните жители не само што се женеле со девојки од своите нови сограѓани, туку со посредство на доселениците се женеле и со Србинки од Далмација.

Со почетокот на Втората светска војна, секретарот на Покраинскиот комитет на КПЈ, Методија Шаторов-Шарло, ја издигнал паролата за создавање на национален фронт со сите противници на големосрпскиот режим и го застапувал ставот за иселување на сите колонисти од Македонија, без разлика дали тие биле продолжена рака на големосрпскиот режим или сиромашни селани. За време на бугарската окупација на Македонија, браќата Јордан и Димитар Чкатров и новосоздадените акциони комитети, потпомогнати од бугарската власт започнале кампања за протерување на српските колонисти од регионот.

По ослободувањето, Методија Андонов-Ченто заедно со Емануел Чучков се спротивставиле на одлуката за враќањето на српските колонисти во Македонија, сметајќи ги за реакционерни елементи и орудие на великосрпскиот шовинизам. Со законот за ревизија на доделената земја на колонистите и аграрните интересенти во НРМ, донесен на 3 август 1945 година од претседништвото на АВНОЈ, колонистите и месните корисници на аграрната реформа го губат правото на сопственост над земјата доделена по овие услови:

- Ако земјата била приватна сопственост на друг земјоделец;
- Ако до доделувањето земјата била обработувана од трето лице, чифчија или закупец;
- Ако не била обработувана или била давана под закуп;
- Ако земјата била сопственост на политички емигрант;
- Ако земјата била добиена како награда за услуги на ненародни режими.

По извршената ревизија, врз основа на законот, доделената земја можеле да ја задржат 1/3 од колонистите. 1.285 колонисти и нивните семејства ја изгубиле земјата во Македонија без право на замена, а 56 семејства добиле замена во Војводина. Народната власт, на сметка на колонистите кои останале во Македонија, населила 1.678 македонски семејства со вкупно 10.325 членови во Војводина.

Number of Macedonian colonists in northern Serbia (Vojvodina, mostly Banat) after WW2 was bigger than number of Serbian colonists in Vardarska after WW2.
Even some Slavo-Macedonian refugees from Aegean Macedonia settled in Vojvodina.

[Vojnik]

Number of Macedonian colonists in northern Serbia (Vojvodina, mostly Banat) after WW2 was bigger than number of Serbian colonists in Vardarska after WW2.
Even some Slavo-Macedonian refugees from Aegean Macedonia settled in Vojvodina.


Come on man. It's ok to admit what Serbs did in Macedonia. The evidence is there.

Australians admit what they did to the natives, and so do the Americans on what the did to their natives.

[Tschaikisten]

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

Who is a source for this photography? As I know it's first time published by Archibald Reiss (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Reiss) and it shows Austria-Hungary crimes in Podrinje and Mačva against Serb civilians. Far away from FYROM.

Link (https://static.kupindoslike.com/Arcibald-Rajs-o-zlocinima-Austro-Ugaro-Bugaro-Nemaca_slika_O_102308291.jpg).

[Pribislav]

Come on man. It's ok to admit what Serbs did in Macedonia. The evidence is there.

Australians admit what they did to the natives, and so do the Americans on what the did to their natives.

I never heard and nobody in the world heard for Serbian "genocide" on Macedonians.
That is something new invented in anti-Serbian Skopian and Bulgarian circles.

[Jackson78]

This is one of the most funniest threads here, can't stop laughing. :rofl_002:

Serbs liberated today's Macedonia, and this is what we got in the return.

[Jackson78]

and it shows Austria-Hungary crimes in Podrinje and Mačva against Serb civilians. Far away from FYROM.


LMAO they can't even do propaganda right. Stupid bugarophiles.

[Dušan]

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

These victims are Serb civilians from western Serbia killed by Croats, Austrians and Hungarians in WW1.

How dare you to falcificate history and present them as other victims? You digusting Bulgarian ignorant.

[Vojnik]

I never heard and nobody in the world heard for Serbian "genocide" on Macedonians.
That is something new invented in anti-Serbian Skopian and Bulgarian circles.

So there was no policy of Serbianisation of Macedonia post annexation of Vardarska Macedonia?

Report on the international commission on the balkan wars. 1914:


We find here, as everywhere else, the ordinary measures of "Serbization" — the closing of schools, disarmament, invitations to schoolmasters to become Servian officials, nomination of "Serbomans", "Grecomans" and Vlachs, as village headmen, orders to the clergy of obedience to the Servian Archbishop, acts of violence against influential individuals, prohibition of transit, multiplication of requisitions, forged signatures to declarations and patriotic telegrams, the organization of special bands, military executions in the villages and so forth.

[Pribislav]

These victims are Serb civilians from western Serbia killed by Croats, Austrians and Hungarians in WW1.

How dare you to falcificate history and present them as other victims? You digusting Bulgarian ignorant.

Subhumanity of bugaraš Crn Vlah touched the bottom with that false post.

[Vojnik]

This is one of the most funniest threads here, can't stop laughing. :rofl_002:

Serbs liberated today's Macedonia, and this is what we got in the return.

We did our fair share of fighting too in order to weaken the Ottomans. Mostly by local rebel forces. We didn't have the same funds and armament as the nations around but still managed to do some damage.

[Vojnik]

Not cool by some users posting photos without doing the research.

It's true that persecution based on ethnicity or religion is bad. Its important for people to recognise the wrongs in history.

[Jackson78]

We did our fair share of fighting too in order to weaken the Ottomans. Mostly by local rebel forces. We didn't have the same funds and armament as the nations around but still managed to do some damage.

Which "local rebel" forces? Pro Bulgarian VMRO or Serbian Chetniks? Don't make me laugh, please.

And pro Bulgarian VMRO were more fighting against pro Serbian Chetniks than against Ottomans.

[Vojnik]

Which "local rebell" forces? Pro Bulgarian VMRO or Serbian Chetniks? Don't make me laugh, please.

Mate, the point is they were Christians who were pro freedom. They took the help from anyone willing to give it. Either from Belgrade or Sofia, and sometimes from both.

Even before Bulgaria was liberated, the leaders like Vasil Levski used to travel to Belgrade for help. Sometimes you need some ass kissing to get somewhere.

[Jackson78]

Mate, the point is they were Christians who were pro freedom. They took the help from anyone willing to give it. Either from Belgrade or Sofia, and sometimes from both.

Lol, no.

There was only two sides - Pro Serbs Chetniks and Pro Bulgarian VMRO.



Even before Bulgaria was liberated, the leaders like Vasil Levski used to travel to Belgrade for help. Sometimes you need some ass kissing to get somewhere.

Vasil Levski was Bulgarian, what he has to do with later fighting in Macedonia (at least with pro Serbian chetniks)?

[Vojnik]

Lol, no.

There was only two sides - Pro Serbs Chetniks and Pro Bulgarian VMRO.

Everything is just black and white isn't it? There's no in between? Did it ever occur to you that maybe first and foremost people wanted freedom? Everything in the Balkans is all about this side verse that side, and never about the bigger picture.

VMRO was mostly pro Macedonian, and wished for a united Macedonia. They even at one stage had problems with some Bulgarians in Sofia over their views on the future of Macedonia as an independent state. Bulgarians wanted unification, Macedonians wanted independence.

[Jackson78]

Everything is just black and white isn't it?

Sadly for you, yes, it is.



VMRO was mostly pro Macedonian, and wished for a united Macedonia. They even at one stage had problems with some Bulgarians in Sofia over their views on the future of Macedonia as an independent state. Bulgarians wanted unification, Macedonians wanted independence.

"Pro Macedonian" and financed by Bulgarian government. Just c'mon man.

Almost all of the VMRO leadership were openly pro Bulgarian.

[Vojnik]

Sadly for you, yes, it is.



"Pro Macedonian" and financed by Bulgarian government. Just c'mon man.

If not financed by Bulgarians and Serbs, who then? No one else gave a shit.

I mean, you had people in the west saying words like "why not Macedonia for the Macedonians?" (William Gladstone), but never any real financial and military backing in favour for Macedonia.

[Aspar]

Статија на Александар Донски (mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Александар_Донски) :

STRAOTNI SVEDOSHTVA ZA SRPSKIOT TEROR PROTIV MAKEDONCITE!

Za zhal, nie Makedoncite glavno bevme svrteni protiv bugarskata i grchkata propaganda, no ja zapostavivme srpskata propaganda.

Ne smee nikogash da se zabporavi deka Srbite nanele ogromni zla protiv Makedoncite.

Nudime podatoci od knigata "Pehchevo" od grupa avtori, objavena vo Shtip 1990 vo izdanie na Drushtvoto za nauka i umetnost. Eve kako se odnesuvale Srbite vo Makedonija, neposredno po okupacijata vo 1918 godina. Konkretno sleduvaat samo nekolku podatoci za terorot vo Pehchevo:



"Samo vo 1921 godina, retko nekoj od vozrasnite zhiteli na Pehchevo ne bil izlozhen na nekoj vid represija i zatvoranje. Rezhimot na kralstvoto Jugoslavija ne gi toleriral duri ni decata i zhenite. I tie, kako i mazhite, bile tepani i zatvorani. Takov e primerot so Vangja Vasileva Cokovska koja dolgo vreme bila sramotena vo zatvorskata kjelija od cela desetina djandari zulumdzhii. Taa po izleguvanje od zatvorot otishla vo manastir i e zakalugerila, no do kajot na svojot zhivot, vo site sredini so koi doagjala vo kontakt, go kolnela imeto (SRPSKO, Z.M.) na zlostornicite. Pokraj Vangja, od strana na rezhimskite vlasti bile tepani, iznuduvani na bescelni priznavanja i apseni: Magda Stamboliska, Marija Rendeva, Marija Popova, Rusa Popova i drugi. Poslednite dve bile obeseni za nozete so cel bavno da umiraat. Masakriranjeto na nekolku nepolnoletni deca od potesnata okolina na Pehchevo, predizvikala ne samo ogorchen revolt, tuku i motiv kaj pehchevci na koj nachin da se UDRI SRBIJA VO NAJOSETLIVOTO MESTO - DA SE UBIE KRALOT I TAKA DA SE ODMAZDI GOLEMATA PIRAMIDA MAKEDONSKI CHOVECHKI CHEREPI I KOSTURI, RASFRLENI NASEKADE VO RAZDELENA MAKEDONIJA... Megju 1921 i 1925 g. Bil ubien Ivan Andonov Klepkov, a Maca Miceva i kjerka i Zuica bile maltretirani i uapseni. Nikola Popov Karajovov isto taka bil izmachuvan i apsen, Mile Sokolov go tepale so piralka za belenje alishta. Toj iskrvaril i podlegnal na ranite. Ista sudbina dozhiveale i Antim Kolev, Serafim Medarov, Eftim Vasilev, Gligor Asprovski, Kole Smilanov, Katerina Koleva Smilanova i Elizabeta Vasileva, dodeka Blagoj Iliev Kletnichki, Krum Ivanov Micev i Andon Eftimov Kletnichki, DECA NA VOZRAST MEGJU 13 I 16 GODINI, na podmolen nachin bile ubieni. Decata gi pasele konjite po livadite. Preku denot si igrale, a koga se izmorile zaspale. Togash im se doblizhile grupa SRPSKI POTERDZHII, koi gi izbodele decata so nozhevi dodeka spiele. Roditelite na decata tri nedeli tragale po niv, a koga gi nashle nivnite majki, ne mozhejki da ja potisnat roditelskata taga za izgubenite rozhbi, trite umrele plachejki."

According to the accounts of witnesses in the book "Pehcevo" published in Shtip in 1990, the Serbs killed killed children in their sleep on a brutal cold blooded way using knives and also imprisoned and raped women...

[Aspar]

"Јужните краишта" - ветена земја за врањанците и пироќанците

Никола Жежов, магистер по историски науки. Текстот е дел од магистерска дисертација на авторот "Режимот на Кралството на СХС и отпорот на македонскиот народ во брегалничкиот округ - 1918-24"

Како еден од начините за воспоставувањето на својата власт во Вардарска Македонија, била и колонизацијата на овие краишта, која режимот на Кралството на СХС интензивно ја спроведувала во првите години меѓу двете светски војни, со различен успех. Колонизацијата во Македонија всушност започнала со основањето на Аграрна Дирекција во Скопје, согласно Уредбата за устројство на Министерството за аграрна реформа од 12 февруари 1920 година и со воспоставувањето на окружни аграрни повереници во сите поголеми колонизациони центри во Вардарска Македонија.
Населувањето добило одредена форма со Уредбата за населување на т.н. ,,јужни краишта" од 24 септември 1920 година. Со таа Уредба биле одредени земјиштата за населување: 1) слободните државни земјишта, 2) општинските и селските земјишта и утрини и 3) пустите земјишта и оние кои се трајно напуштени од нивните сопственици. При населувањето колонистите имале право на бесплатен превоз на сите членови на семејството, стока и покуќнина. Со ова право се искористиле голем број колонисти од Босанска Краина и од Лика. Колонистите имале право на бесплатно користење на државните и општинските шуми за подигнување на куќа, слободна испаша по селските и општинските утрини и други привилегии.
Со цел да се разбие етничката компактност на македонскиот народ во Брегалничкиот округ (област) и пошироко во цела Вардарска Македонија, режимот на Кралството сакал со законски мерки што нуделе олеснителни околности, да привлече што повеќе колонисти-Срби во Македонија, со што на неа и би се дал српски етнички белег. Според законот за колонизација на ,,јужните краишта", како колонисти се предвидувале: сиромашни државјани на Кралството на СХС , занаетчии, доброволци во војните (тука спаѓаат и четници), пониски државни чиновници кои вршеле служба во погранични реони, понатаму луѓе кои купиле земја според услови на Министерството за земјоделие, разни аграрни задруги, бегалци и други слоеви.
Ѓорѓе Крстиќ, кој од мај 1927 година бил главен аграрен повереник во Скопје, истакнал дека најпогодни за асимилација на македонскиот народ биле населениците од Врањскиот и Пиротскиот округ, бидејќи по менталитет биле слични со Македонците. Истиот како непогодни за асимилаторска политика врз македонскиот народ ги посочил Црногорците-колонисти, поради различниот менталитет. Првенство при колонизирањето во Македонија добивале доброволците од Солунскиот фронт во Првата светска војна, четниците, а потоа оптантите и бегалците. При колонизацијата најчесто земја добивале оние кои што воопшто не се занимавале со земјоделство. Овие лица не ја обработувале добиената земја туку ја давале под наем на месното население, а самите живееле во градовите занимавајќи се со друга професија. На тој начин колонистите се богателе за сметка на месното македонско население.
Големосрпската власт на Кралството на СХС, тргнувајќи од интересот за асимилација на македонскиот народ, им давала безброј привилегии на српските колонисти во Македонија: бесплатен градежен материјал, користење на селските и државните утрини за пасишта, ослободување од царина, ослободување од плаќање данок до 10 години и друго. Од друга страна колонистите биле должни сами да ја обработуваат земјата, да се зачленат во аграрните задруги, да не ја отуѓат земјата дури не станат сопственици (за 10 години), да ја обработуваат земјата, да sидаат куќи за себе и да одговараат на сите обврски од Уредбата (член 24). Колонистот го губел правото врз земјата, ако одржувал врски со антидржавни елементи.
При колонизацијата, односно населувањето на луѓе од другите краишта на Кралството во Вардарска Македонија, домородниот македонски народ не останувал рамнодушен на тој чин, туку активно се спротивставувал, поради фактот што плодното земјиште им било давано на колонистичките семејства. Со колонизацијата се стеснувале и селските утрини, а слободните ливади им биле отстапувани на колонисти. Како пример за отпор кон колонизацијата бил случајот со селаните од селото Арѓулица, Штипско, кои во расправија за ливадите го претепале Петар Вукчевиќ, бивш црногорски мајор, затоа што им ги гонел говедата од ливадите.
Владеачкиот режим на Кралството на СХС при колонизацијата главно внимание обрнал на Брегалничкиот округ (област), како важна геостратегиска точка, пред се поради близината со Бугарија и опасноста од комитските напади на четите на Тодоралександровата ВМРО. Во Брегалничката област предноат при колонизирањето им се дало на реонот на Овчеполието, Штипско и Радовишко, додека во другите делови од тогашниот Брегалнички округ, колонизацијата била со помал обем. Министерството за аграрна реформа образувало комисија под водство на професорите Александар Стебут и д-р Доброслав Тодоровиќ, која имала задача да изврши испитувања на земјиштето во Овче Поле. Според нивните истражувања, земјиштето каде била основана колонистичката населба Нова Батања, било неквалитетно за било каква култура и во услови кога би се наводнувало. За комплексот во село Мустафино комисијата поволно се изразила, а за село Ерџелија, комисијата изјавила дека земјата била со одличен квалитет и доколку соодветно би се наводнувала таа би се претворила во ,,градина” на Овче Поле.
Колонизацијата во Брегалничкиот округ (област), поорганизирана форма добила во текот на 1920 година. Во октомври 1920 година во Скопје требало да пристигнат 16 семејства од Лика, кои требало да бидат населени во селото Долани, Штипско. Повереништвото на Министерството за аграрна реформа во споменатото село успеало да насели 105 колонистички семејства и покрај отпорот на домашното население. Повереништвото барало од воените власти да им помогнат на овие колонистички семејства, кои требало да стигнат во Скопје, со тоа што ќе им обезбедат превоз на нив и на материјалните средства што ги носеле за изградба на колонистичката населба.
Во однос на населувањето на овие колонистички семејства во селото Долани, Александар Апостолов истакнал дека во селото во 1920 година биле населени 121 семејство колонисти, иако немало земја и за месното македонско население. Селото Долани имало голема стратегиска важност, што се гледа од фактот што биле мобилизирани луѓе од селото за да пренесат 16 колонистички семејства од Велес до Долани, заедно со покуќнината и земјоделскиот инвентар што бил натоварен на 30 вагони.
Забрзаната колонизација во Вардарска Македонија и посебно во Брегалничкиот округ, се гледала и од фактот што владеачките структури на Кралството во текот на 1920 и 1921 година, одвоиле големи финансиски средства за таа цел. Во 1921 година државата отпуштила 6 милиони динари за колонизација, а во 1922/23 година 23 295 000 динари и тоа најголем дел за Вардарска Македонија. Во овој период во Брегалничкиот округ, како што административно се нарекувал до 1921 година, биле колонизирани 532 семејства.
За широките размери на колонизацијата во Вардарска Македонија , а со тоа и во Брегалничкиот округ, податоци изнесувале и различните весници и списанија на македонската емиграција во Бугарија, коишто најчесто се повикувале на весници од Кралството што биле блиски до владеачкиот режим. Весникот ,,Македонија” повикувајќи се на ,,Епоха” изнесол податоци дека од 1 септември 1919 година до 20 август 1921 година во Вардарска Македонија се имале населено 6861 семејство со земја во размер од 57 530,01 хектари. Во 1919 година се населени 1302 семејства со 11 926 хектари. Во 1920 година се колонизирани 3484 семејства со 29 004 хектари земја од кои 279 семејства во Брегалничкиот округ со 2402 хектари земја. Според истиот весник во 1921 година биле колонизирани 2075 семејства со 16 600 хектари земја од кои 311 семејства во Брегалничкиот округ со 2115 хектари земја. Весникот ,,Македонија”соопштила и дека во селото Ерџелија, Св.Николско, требало во септември 1921 година да бидат населени 320 семејства, кои требало да претставуваат основа за формирање на ново колонистичко село со помош на државата.

[Jackson78]

If not financed by Bulgarians and Serbs, who then? No one else gave a shit.

I mean, you had people in the west saying words like "why not Macedonia for the Macedonians?" (William Gladstone), but never any real financial and military backing in favour for Macedonia.


For which Macedonia and Macedonians? For the nation that was created after WW2 by the communists? Bullshit.

[Aspar]

....

[Pribislav]

For which Macedonia and Macedonians? For the nation that was created after WW2 by the communists? Bullshit.

North Macedonians are phenomenon, they input nationality to their ancestors who lived +100 years ago in accordance with the decision of communists in 1945. Syndrom or artificial toponomic yesterday created nations like Montenegrins and Bosniaks.

[Vojnik]

For which Macedonia and Macedonians? For the nation that was created after WW2 by the communists? Bullshit.

Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:

"The slavophone population of Serbian (occupied) Macedonia definitely regard themselves as distinct from the Serbs. If asked their nationality they say that they are Macedonians, and they speak the Macedonian dialect."

Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:

"The inhabitants here are no more Serb than the Macedonians of Serbia - they speak Macedonian, and they call themselves Macedonians."

I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.

[Vojnik]

North Macedonians are phenomenon, they input nationality to their ancestors who lived +100 years ago in accordance with the decision of communists in 1945. Syndrom or artificial toponomic yesterday created nations like Montenegrins and Bosniaks.


Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:


Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:


I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.


What about this?

[Vojnik]

Why does the '1945 communist invention' argument still occur when it is easily destroyed?

[Pribislav]

Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:


Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:


I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.

My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.

[PAGANE]

In 1900, according to the Carnegie Survey, there were only 700 Serbs in Macedonia. In order to secure the possession of Macedonia, the Serbs made a tremendous effort to colonize the country, denationalize it and assimilate it and break its ethnic integrity. Enticed by the great privileges of land distribution and high salaries, a large number of Serbs from Sumadija and Montenegro have migrated over a period of 20 years. The commander of the Vardar region, Colonel Lubo Bajaktarevic, in an order to the commander of the 3rd Army District, suggested: "All power in Macedonia should be surrendered to the commander of the 3rd Army, settling in several villages in several safe families from the old regions. " In the same letter, he proposes to evict (!) The residents of Shtip and Veles, as their cities are the safest shelters of the committees. In one letter, Skopje's ban and police chief Zika Lazic (July 6, 1923) ordered that between 5 and 15,000 dinars be given to each newly-settled colonialist family, obliging them to carry out counter-Chetnik activities. Large tracts of fertile land are earmarked for the colonists, houses are being built specifically for them, agricultural implements for cultivation of the land, seeds, cattle and cash loans are being acquired.
Starting from the understanding to create an area separating Macedonia from Bulgaria, the colonists were directed more towards the neighborhoods adjacent to the Bulgarian border.
By 1940, 425 colonial families from Serbia, Montenegro, Dalmatia, and Bosnia were accommodated in Gevgelija. 22 colonies with 608 families were established in Ovche Pole and Shtipsko. 480 families are settled in Strumishko and Radovishko, with 270 in Radovishko alone. 131 families are settled in Kochanski, Tsarevoselsko, Zletovsko and Maleshevsko, with 74 in Pehchevo alone. In total, only 50% of all colonists are accommodated in Southwestern Macedonia. By 1940, 280 colonies were created in Vardar Macedonia with 4,167 families spread across 23 counties. These settlers are the pillar of power - the eyes and ears of the repressive organs.
According to their congress, "the colonists serve the local and police authorities and are the vanguard of anti-national elements. They are the guards of public safety." Here are some details recognized by Serb-Macedonian agents.
At the first congress of the Macedonian Communist Party, Gailer Lazar Kolishevski admitted in his report: "By 1600, 1600 Macedonians had been killed. 30,000 people were imprisoned. In 1927, despite the amnesty, there were still 7,500 Macedonians in prisons in Yugoslavia."
Kiril Milyovski, a well-known Serbian wretcher, admits: "After the assassination of General Mikhail Kovacevic on June 6, 1927, 1000 people were imprisoned in Shtip and Shtipsko. Many villages were burned and 200 people were killed."
A horrific comparison is needed here. The figures quoted by Koliszewski, namely 1,600 killed and 30,000 prisoners, are undoubtedly accurate. Let's compare these figures with the victims of the Ilinden Uprising in the Bitola Revolutionary District, which is the center of the uprising and the most active in the struggle. According to the VMRO Memoir of 1940, those killed in the uprising amounted to 1,779 people. with only 179 more civilians killed by Serbian tyrants. And only until 1926!

"Тирани, всуе се морите!
Не се гаси туй, що не гасне!

[Vojnik]

My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.

But if you see the quote again, the writer is clearly comparing Macedonians to another ethnicity, the Serbs:


"The inhabitants here are no more Serb than the Macedonians of Serbia - they speak Macedonian, and they call themselves Macedonians."

If he was saying "Macedonians" as in a regional term, he'd compare them to another regional term.

The author clearly meant what he said in a ethnic term.

[Pribislav]

In 1900, according to the Carnegie Survey, there were only 700 Serbs in Macedonia. In order to secure the possession of Macedonia, the Serbs made a tremendous effort to colonize the country, denationalize it and assimilate it and break its ethnic integrity. Enticed by the great privileges of land distribution and high salaries, a large number of Serbs from Sumadija and Montenegro have migrated over a period of 20 years. The commander of the Vardar region, Colonel Lubo Bajaktarevic, in an order to the commander of the 3rd Army District, suggested: "All power in Macedonia should be surrendered to the commander of the 3rd Army, settling in several villages in several safe families from the old regions. " In the same letter, he proposes to evict (!) The residents of Shtip and Veles, as their cities are the safest shelters of the committees. In one letter, Skopje's ban and police chief Zika Lazic (July 6, 1923) ordered that between 5 and 15,000 dinars be given to each newly-settled colonialist family, obliging them to carry out counter-Chetnik activities. Large tracts of fertile land are earmarked for the colonists, houses are being built specifically for them, agricultural implements for cultivation of the land, seeds, cattle and cash loans are being acquired.
Starting from the understanding to create an area separating Macedonia from Bulgaria, the colonists were directed more towards the neighborhoods adjacent to the Bulgarian border.
By 1940, 425 colonial families from Serbia, Montenegro, Dalmatia, and Bosnia were accommodated in Gevgelija. 22 colonies with 608 families were established in Ovche Pole and Shtipsko. 480 families are settled in Strumishko and Radovishko, with 270 in Radovishko alone. 131 families are settled in Kochanski, Tsarevoselsko, Zletovsko and Maleshevsko, with 74 in Pehchevo alone. In total, only 50% of all colonists are accommodated in Southwestern Macedonia. By 1940, 280 colonies were created in Vardar Macedonia with 4,167 families spread across 23 counties. These settlers are the pillar of power - the eyes and ears of the repressive organs.
According to their congress, "the colonists serve the local and police authorities and are the vanguard of anti-national elements. They are the guards of public safety." Here are some details recognized by Serb-Macedonian agents.
At the first congress of the Macedonian Communist Party, Gailer Lazar Kolishevski admitted in his report: "By 1600, 1600 Macedonians had been killed. 30,000 people were imprisoned. In 1927, despite the amnesty, there were still 7,500 Macedonians in prisons in Yugoslavia."
Kiril Milyovski, a well-known Serbian wretcher, admits: "After the assassination of General Mikhail Kovacevic on June 6, 1927, 1000 people were imprisoned in Shtip and Shtipsko. Many villages were burned and 200 people were killed."
A horrific comparison is needed here. The figures quoted by Koliszewski, namely 1,600 killed and 30,000 prisoners, are undoubtedly accurate. Let's compare these figures with the victims of the Ilinden Uprising in the Bitola Revolutionary District, which is the center of the uprising and the most active in the struggle. According to the VMRO Memoir of 1940, those killed in the uprising amounted to 1,779 people. with only 179 more civilians killed by Serbian tyrants. And only until 1926!

"Тирани, всуе се морите!
Не се гаси туй, що не гасне!

Only 700 Serbs in 1900, it's bullshit.

Some my cousins and countymen after WW1 arrived to the Macedonia as colonists.

[Vojnik]

Edmond Bouchie "Macedonia and the Macedonians" 1922:


“In the district of Ostrovo / Bitola nine times out of ten these people, despite being the subject of dispute by three adjoining countries – Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece – would reply in response to the question as to their nationality that they were Macedonians”.

[Jackson78]

Your narrow minded proclivities keep showing.

Oliver C. Harvey. 1926:


Oliver C. Harvey when visiting Greek occupied Macedonia (Lerin-Voden region) in 1926:


I've got plenty more pre communist era information regarding the Macedonian nation if you'd like.

Who cares for the stupid British propaganda?

Pribislav explained that nice:


My ancestor call themselves Dalmatians, and still they were Serbs by ethnicity.
Dalmatians and Macedonians are regional geographic identities, not ethnicities.

And it is just regional identity, just like with Montenegrins.

[Vojnik]

Who cares for the stupid British propaganda?

Pribislav explained that nice:



And it is just regional identity, just like with Montenegrins.

Yeah. The British were secretly communist yugoslavs gone back in time to create the Macedonian nation.

[Jackson78]

Yeah. The British were secretly communist yugoslavs gone back in time.

Regional identity man, deal with it. ;)

[Vojnik]

Regional identity man, deal with it. ;)

Seems like communist propaganda to me.

[PAGANE]

Serbian colonization in Macedonia has been a purposeful policy of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, since 1929. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia, to change the ethnic composition of the population in occupied Macedonia in 1913 by reducing the relative weight of the Bulgarian element. This settlement, Edmond Bouches-de-Bell writes in 1922, "coupled with the expulsion of irreparable Bulgarian elements, should have led to a rapid subdivision of the area." Even after the Inter-Allied War in 1913, the Serbian government was preparing a system of measures to denationalize Bulgarians and Vlachs in the newly conquered Vardar Macedonia. In order to gain the Muslim element, the Albanians and Turks, in turn, have the properties and privileges of the Hajj and the elders preserved. On February 20, 1914, the Serbian government adopted an ordinance to settle in the new areas of the kingdom. The ordinance provides for the free transportation of families, home furnishings, free provision of material for the construction of houses and exemption from all state, county, cuts and municipal taxes for the first 3 years and more. The implementation of these measures was hindered by the First World War (1914 - 1918), but after the war they were again on the agenda. The farmsteads in Vardar Macedonia have been cut four times, but the sale of the farmsteads has benefited Serbian ruling circles, city moneylenders and wealthier peasants. Prime Minister Nikola Pasic acquires properties in Kosovo and Macedonia, and Milan Stojadinovic speculates on land in Macedonia. The Agrarian Reform Preparation Act of 1920 and the Colonization Act of 1922 openly linked agrarian reform to colonization, trying to stop the land being given to the peasants and retained for colonists. On December 5, 1931, a special Law on Agrarian Relations was issued in Southern Serbia and Montenegro, amended on June 24, 1933. According to statistics, by the end of 1925, 71 045 hectares of land had been distributed, of which 11 300 to the locals and the rest (4/5) to the colonists. The land became the property of the locals only after 10 years, while for the colonists the state paid the rent to the former owners. According to statistics from 1928, a total of 225 327 hectares of land has been designated for colonization in southern Serbia (Kosovo and Macedonia), but in fact only 111 602 (including 3000 of Pasic in Murat Tulbeta) have been allocated and the rest is abused by local authorities. The land was distributed in 173 colonies and 419 smaller settlements.
By 1929, 6377 colonial families were settled in Vardar Macedonia. The geographical distribution of the colonies and settlements is aimed at forming a Serbian ethnic strip between Bulgaria and Vardar Macedonia. Thus, in Skopje, there are 10 colonies and 12 settlements, in Gevgelijski - 6 colonies and 5 settlements, in Prilepsky - 10 colonies and 5 settlements, in Ovchepolski - 4 colonies and 3 settlements, and in Kavadarski, Kochanski, Bitolski and Ohrid sections there are only one or two colonies and several settlements. The colonies were created mainly until 1925, and then the authorities focused on strengthening them. Colonization in Vardar Macedonia has had the least success compared to other areas of the country - Kosovo, Vojvodina, due to fierce resistance from the local population and the Internal Revolutionary Macedonian Organization
The decision temporarily prohibiting the return of colonists of 6 March 1945.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Zabrana_povratka_kolonistima.jpg

Map of the Serbian colonization in Macedonia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Map_of_Serbian_colonization_in_Vardar_Macedonia_20 _century.jpg

[Jackson78]

Seems like communist propaganda to me.

Not propaganda, but reality. :)

[Vojnik]

M Patraiev 1907:


In the Kastoria(Kostur) Kaza, delegations from the villages came to see us and declared that they wanted neither Greek nor Bulgarian teachers and priests;rather they insisted that they be Macedonians. When questioned about their nationality, they replied that they are Macedonians. These declarations, which are far from being isolated, demonstrate that the Christian population of Macedonia is fed-up with the oppression of the various propagandas, and that in them is beginning to awaken a national consciousness different from those being imposed on them from outside.

Nationality, Regional identity? Hmmmmm

[Aspar]

This dumbo is hilarious...

Calls a famous British etnographer and traveler a stupid guy but takes as a relevant what some idiot Serb troll on internet said.

Stupid idiot, the big difference is that while Pribislav's ancestors called themselves Dalmatians and at the same time consider themselves Serbs, the Macedonians don't consider themselves as Serbs or any other etnicity.

So why do you even care about?

[Vojnik]

"Are you a Serb? Are you Bulgarian? Grecian or Albanian? On this series of questions, the Macedonian people, today as yesterday, were giving the same answer - I am Macedonian ".

Emmanuel Duvillard (born 1887) est le presidente du Comite de Geneve pour la Defense des victimes de la terreur blanche dans les Balkans.

More regional identity examples.

[Vojnik]

This dumbo is hilarious...

Calls a famous British etnographer and traveler a stupid guy but takes as a relevant what some idiot Serb troll on internet said.

Stupid idiot, the big difference is that while Pribislav's ancestors called themselves Dalmatians and at the same time consider themselves Serbs, the Macedonians don't consider themselves as Serbs or any other etnicity.

So why do you even care about?

When in doubt, blame Tito, Communism and 1945. That's all they have up their sleeves. Broken record and very cringe.

[PAGANE]

Henri Pozzi is a French politician, diplomat and publicist who surveys the political situation in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia between the two World Wars, and shows how the Yugoslav state was created for the simple purpose of implementing Serbian domination over the non-Serb nations within Yugoslavia . In the book, especially harsh were the methods implemented against the Bulgarian population in Vardar Banovina. Known for his 1934 book, The War is Back (published in French as La Guerre Revient and in English as Black Hand Over Europe), in which he describes Serbian bullying against the peaceful Bulgarian population in Vardar Macedonia. Also about Serbian propaganda among Croats and Bosniaks in the Royal Yugoslavia.
"And I say, I, a Frenchman who deeply loves Serbia and who has proved it enough for twenty years - I feel that my judgment expresses much less than it actually is that the people who represent today in Macedonia's current masters of Yugoslavia, who are clerks, judges, priests or police officers, are blurring their country. "
And more:
"The materially and morally enslaved are oppressed, robbed, tortured beyond any conception. No opportunity for them to seek justice, no help, no protection for anyone, whatever their social status, gender, age. In Macedonia, they are confiscated, imprisoned, tortured, killed legally, systematically, calmly, cruelly. "
The book is an ice shower for any normal person, regardless of nationality. The blood in the veins is icy and the hair tingles as one reads it. A bow to the martyrs of the Bulgarian in Macedonia.

[Vojnik]

"Makedonski Golos" proclamation of 8th June 1915:


"We Macedonians- not Serbs,not Bulgarians but simply Macedonians"

[Vojnik]

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"mi Makedonci, ne Serbi i ne Bolgari, a prosto Makedonci"

[catgeorge]

You werent known as Macedonian pre 1913 you were known as Bulgarian excharsists. I have over 200 consul documents of the time from Austrian, French and English.

Russian soldiers were going from village to village saying if you want to be free from the Turk them you must join the Excharte or you wont get your freedom.

I can post ALL consul reports if you like.

[Pribislav]

Only 700 Serbs in 1900, it's bullshit.

Some my cousins and countymen after WW1 arrived to the Macedonia as colonists.

Some Dalmatian Serbs who moved to the Macedonia after WW1 were killed and expelled by Bulgarians in WW2, many moved to the Vojvodina after WW2, and only few stayed after WW2 and their descendants live in North Macedonia until today.

[Vojnik]

THE MACEDONIAN AGITATION
The Times, London, April 12, 1901, pp. 3-4


“It is a grievous error to suppose that we seek to acquire Macedonia on behalf of Bulgaria. We Macedonians consider ourselves to be an entirely separate national element, and we are not in the least disposed to allow our country to be seized by Bulgaria, Servia, or Greece. We will, in fact, oppose any such incorporation with all our might. Macedonia must belong to the Macedonians.

The Macedonian creation story keeps getting pushed back by Serbs and Greeks. One Grk just said no Macedonians pre 1913. It started at 1945 and Tito, and goes backward slowly until it reaches 500 bc. Well here is something from 1901.

Next it will be "no Macedonians pre 1890"....................wait, hold on, whats this?????

Petko Slaveykov, 1871:



We have heard it many times from the Macedonians that they are not Bulgarians, rather that they are Macedonians ...

[catgeorge]

THE MACEDONIAN AGITATION
The Times, London, April 12, 1901, pp. 3-4



The Macedonian creation story keeps getting pushed back by Serbs and Greeks. One Grk just said no Macedonians pre 1913. It started at 1945 and Tito, and goes backward slowly until it reaches 500 bc. Well here is something from 1901.

It didnt exist - the land was known as Rumelia.. You delusion is created and funded by Russia face facts

[PAGANE]

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But he died in Sofia, Bulgaria, not died in Macedonia. The Macedonian newspaper Dimitar Chupovsky's interview with Boris Sarafov, published in the St. Petersburg Gazette of August 21, 1902, identifies the Macedonians as a separate nation on the pages of the Macedonian Voice newspaper, published in Russia. At the same time, Dimitar Chupovski identifies Sarafov's moral killer, Yane Sandanski, as a Bulgarian agent and criminal. Paradoxically, Skopje's historiography has long regarded Sarafov as a "supreme" and pro-Bulgarian revolutionary, and Sandanski as an early Macedonian and a fighter for independent Macedonia. Blessed Ristovski defines him as a "pure Bulgarian". On the other hand, Boris Sarafov defines himself and all Macedonians as Bulgarians in his memories.

[Vojnik]

It didnt exist - the land was known as Rumelia.. You delusion is created and funded by Russia face facts

Can you show me some Greek Macedonians please? I genuinely want to see people identifying as Greek Macedonians.

[Vojnik]

From 1861, in the Serbian publication "Danica", on page 228:


"What kind of philosopher? I am not Greek...I am Macedonian!"


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"Nisam ja Grk.......Ja sam Makedonac"

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=u_dIAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA228&dq=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B 0%D1%86&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0 %D1%86&f=false

[Aspar]

You werent known as Macedonian pre 1913 you were known as Bulgarian excharsists. I have over 200 consul documents of the time from Austrian, French and English.

Russian soldiers were going from village to village saying if you want to be free from the Turk them you must join the Excharte or you wont get your freedom.

I can post ALL consul reports if you like.

Some of my ancestors were Greek patriarchists and also spoke fluently both the local dialect and Greek. They just happened to live on that side of the border occupied by the Serbs.
What were they?
Is the church affiliation the only condition to belong to a certain ethnicity?

On the other hand, my paternal side comes from a mountain village from an area of Mariovo and Karadjova that was semi autochthonous, as it was Mani for example in Greece and was recorded as a safe heaven for bandits and hajduks. The Turks finally subdued the area in the late 18th century. They were attending a Bulgarian school although there was a Greek school in the village as well and called themselves Macedonians only.

So it's not one sided as you like to say about the belonging to the Bulgarian Exarchate.

[catgeorge]

Can you show me some Greek Macedonians please? I genuinely want to see people identifying as Greek Macedonians.

Look at 1821, 1854, 1867, 1878, 1897.... look it up.

[catgeorge]

Some of my ancestors were Greek patriarchists and also spoke fluently both the local dialect and Greek. They just happened to live on that side of the border occupied by the Serbs.
What were they?
Is the church affiliation the only condition to belong to a certain ethnicity?

On the other hand, my paternal side comes from a mountain village from an area of Mariovo and Karadjova that was semi autochthonous, as it was Mani for example in Greece and was recorded as a safe heaven for bandits and hajduks. The Turks finally subdued the area in the late 18th century. They were attending a Bulgarian school although there was a Greek school in the village as well and called themselves Macedonians only.

So it's not one sided as you like to say about the belonging to the Bulgarian Exarchate.

Never said it was one sided, but to break our balls with unhistorical events and delusions takes idiocy to the clouds.

[Vojnik]

Last one for now, but a good one.

From "A Sketch of the Political History of Ancient Greece" by AHL Heeren, 1829, Pg. 10.


Of the nations of the south only three can engage our attention; the Greeks, Macedonians, and Romans...We have named them in the order in which history presents them to us as distinguished nations.

[Pribislav]

Some of my ancestors were Greek patriarchists and also spoke fluently both the local dialect and Greek. They just happened to live on that side of the border occupied by the Serbs.
What were they?
Is the church affiliation the only condition to belong to a certain ethnicity?

On the other hand, my paternal side comes from a mountain village from an area of Mariovo and Karadjova that was semi autochthonous, as it was Mani for example in Greece and was recorded as a safe heaven for bandits and hajduks. The Turks finally subdued the area in the late 18th century. They were attending a Bulgarian school although there was a Greek school in the village as well and called themselves Macedonians only.

So it's not one sided as you like to say about the belonging to the Bulgarian Exarchate.

This is one of many times when you show to us here you non Slavo-Macedonian origin.
Your ancestors were Arvanitovlachs who knew Greek language as well (Vlach city Moscopole once was center of neo-helenism). Your family is recently slavo-macedonized you crypto Vlach!

[Aspar]

This is one of many times when you show to us here you non Slavo-Macedonian origin.
Your ancestors were Arvanitovlachs who knew Greek language as well (Vlach city Moscopole once was center of neo-helenism). Your family is recently slavo-macedonized you crypto Vlach!

It shows how ignorant you are on this matter, especially when it comes for the Villayet of Solun. Most Patriarchists in the Villayet of Solun knew Greek to some degree as well apart from their mother tongue. The Greek was the main language for many things back than, whether commerce or for church service.
Your low IQ immediately jumps for Albanians and Vlachs although those ancestors of mine have nothing to do with those people and spoke only their local dialect(Enidze Vardar) which is by the way more closer to Bulgarian than to standard Macedonian and Greek.

Grigor Prlicev was a Bulgarian writer and translator from Ohrid who wrote the poem 'O Armatolos' on Greek. He studied in a Greek school in Ohrid and knew Greek fluently.

Does your low IQ also tell you about the Albanian-Vlach connection of Grigor Parlichev?

[Jackson78]

While speaking of establishment of Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia, Karl Ostreich notes: "An important part of rural population, even though it felt as Serb at that time, nonetheless grabbed the first opportunity of getting Slavic priesthood and therefore declared itself Bulgarian... Whoever joined Bulgarian Exarchate was registered in Turkish census documents as Bulgar-Milet, and in public eyes was mainly Bulgar".

Karl Oestreich „Die Bevolkerung von Makedonien“, Geographische Zeitschrift, Vol. XI, No.1, 1905, pp.291

...Serb tribes live in eastern mountains and hills around Debar, in Struga area, as well as on eastern shores of Lake Ohrid, furthermore in valleys of Resen and Prespa, in town of Bitola and its northeastern surroundings, in Srebrnica valley, and namely in communities Otporoš, Srbica, Mahmuša, Mrtvuća, alongside left, eastern area of White Drim in communities Kremovik, Mirožiš, Ćuprevo, Grebnik, Zlokuće...

Joseph Muller, “Albanien, Rumelien und die Osterreichisch-Montenegrinische Grenze”, Prague, 1844


When in doubt, blame Tito, Communism and 1945. That's all they have up their sleeves. Broken record and very cringe.

Hello. :biggrin:


This dumbo is hilarious...

Calls a famous British etnographer and traveler a stupid guy but takes as a relevant what some idiot Serb troll on internet said.

Stupid idiot, the big difference is that while Pribislav's ancestors called themselves Dalmatians and at the same time consider themselves Serbs, the Macedonians don't consider themselves as Serbs or any other etnicity.

So why do you even care about?

He's so famous that today is the first time I've ever heard of him, maybe he is known to general public in some parallel universe of yours.

And fuck of, serbophobic moron.

[Mingle]

Why does the '1945 communist invention' argument still occur when it is easily destroyed?

Would you agree with the statement that the Slavic-speaking population of modern North Macedonia historically identified as ethnic Bulgarians and then started identifying as their own ethnicity in the mid-1800s and this identity was then later promoted/solidified (rather than invented) by Tito?

[Moje ime]

Sto se tice Makedonaca ja licno ne mislim da su Srbi ali mogu da kazem ovo - niste hteli da budete Srbi ili sa Srbima ali cete zato uskoro da budete Siptari. Isto vazi i za Crnogorce.

[Vojnik]

Would you agree with the statement that the Slavic-speaking population of modern North Macedonia historically identified as ethnic Bulgarians and then started identifying as their own ethnicity in the mid-1800s and this identity was then later promoted/solidified (rather than invented) by Tito?

The goal post just keeps on getting moved for Macedonians. The standard is now the mid 1800’s, instead of 1945 onwards.

The Macedonian identity emerged out of the dying days of the Ottoman Empire, organically. Against all pressure to Serbianise, Hellenise and Bulgarise the population. Yes, I accept communism solidified it and not created it. I believe the Bulgarianess of Macedonians is a lie. No I don’t believe my ancestors identified as ethnic Bulgarians.

[PAGANE]

Macedonian identity you say!
The Macedonian essence of the Ilinden Uprising. This is absolutely false. The Ilinden uprising was made by the organization of the Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire from the Black Sea to the Albanian mountains. Residents of the present-day Republic of Macedonia and Eastern Thrace, the Rhodopes, the Black Sea and the Pirin region also participate in this uprising. In this uprising, 26,400 rebels were armed almost entirely with rifles stolen from Bulgarian barracks. These are good weapons, the best of the era. This is precisely what allows the rebels, such as in the Bitola district, to continue their hostilities until October and invite them to lay down their weapons. And the uprising was led by Bulgarian officers specifically seconded by military intelligence for this purpose. Some of them come with troops, fully prepared in Bulgaria, as a gen. Tsonchev, Colonel Costa Yankov, Lieutenant Zafirov, Boris Sarafov, etc. This is an entirely Bulgarian uprising and if anyone is to protest, it should be us and we do not agree with the common celebration of a Bulgarian uprising. What the Macedonian National Archive has published in recent years - 5 volumes of Turkish sources about the Ilinden Uprising. These are documents of Turkish administrative and military heads of districts and suburbs in the uprising. And what does it say about, for example, the Ohrid Kaaza? "Last night, at midnight, all 24 Bulgarian villages in my entrusted neighborhood rebelled. The rebels burned down haystacks, knocked down telephone poles, burned down a Turkish village ... “eat what you are. Nowhere in these 3500 documents is the word Macedonian mentioned. The publisher may have felt uncomfortable because in the small 3-page preface he wrote the following: “The reader will immediately notice that in all documents the Macedonian rebels are called Bulgarian. We will explain the reasons for this phenomenon in the next volume. Of course, there is no explanation in the next volume. But there is something worse. The Turks captured a total of 1004 rebels. The following year they were released thanks to the amnesty achieved by Bulgarian Prime Minister Racho Petrov. The State Archives of Macedonia publishes in one large book the police records of all 1004 freed rebels. They state in one place what they are by nationality. With the exception of two Serbs and three Vlachs, everyone else claims to be Orthodox Bulgarians. 998 people out of 1004. One single document to show me is that the rebels in the Ilinden Uprising are called Macedonians. They will not and never will.

[Crn Volk]

Macedonian identity you say!
The Macedonian essence of the Ilinden Uprising. This is absolutely false. The Ilinden uprising was made by the organization of the Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire from the Black Sea to the Albanian mountains. Residents of the present-day Republic of Macedonia and Eastern Thrace, the Rhodopes, the Black Sea and the Pirin region also participate in this uprising. In this uprising, 26,400 rebels were armed almost entirely with rifles stolen from Bulgarian barracks. These are good weapons, the best of the era. This is precisely what allows the rebels, such as in the Bitola district, to continue their hostilities until October and invite them to lay down their weapons. And the uprising was led by Bulgarian officers specifically seconded by military intelligence for this purpose. Some of them come with troops, fully prepared in Bulgaria, as a gen. Tsonchev, Colonel Costa Yankov, Lieutenant Zafirov, Boris Sarafov, etc. This is an entirely Bulgarian uprising and if anyone is to protest, it should be us and we do not agree with the common celebration of a Bulgarian uprising. What the Macedonian National Archive has published in recent years - 5 volumes of Turkish sources about the Ilinden Uprising. These are documents of Turkish administrative and military heads of districts and suburbs in the uprising. And what does it say about, for example, the Ohrid Kaaza? "Last night, at midnight, all 24 Bulgarian villages in my entrusted neighborhood rebelled. The rebels burned down haystacks, knocked down telephone poles, burned down a Turkish village ... “eat what you are. Nowhere in these 3500 documents is the word Macedonian mentioned. The publisher may have felt uncomfortable because in the small 3-page preface he wrote the following: “The reader will immediately notice that in all documents the Macedonian rebels are called Bulgarian. We will explain the reasons for this phenomenon in the next volume. Of course, there is no explanation in the next volume. But there is something worse. The Turks captured a total of 1004 rebels. The following year they were released thanks to the amnesty achieved by Bulgarian Prime Minister Racho Petrov. The State Archives of Macedonia publishes in one large book the police records of all 1004 freed rebels. They state in one place what they are by nationality. With the exception of two Serbs and three Vlachs, everyone else claims to be Orthodox Bulgarians. 998 people out of 1004. One single document to show me is that the rebels in the Ilinden Uprising are called Macedonians. They will not and never will.

Not so simple

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[Crn Volk]

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19030816.2.26&srpos=21&e=-------en--20--21--txt-txIN-macedonia+-------1

https://alternatecomms.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mak-2Bindep-300x273.jpg

[Aspar]

Sto se tice Makedonaca ja licno ne mislim da su Srbi ali mogu da kazem ovo - niste hteli da budete Srbi ili sa Srbima ali cete zato uskoro da budete Siptari. Isto vazi i za Crnogorce.

Moje Ime, that's not quite correct. If that's the public opinion in your country than that is quite bad. Why would the Macedonians be with the Serbs only? Why not Bulgaria or Greece? As for the Albanians, they are doing well in our country and the country is still in piece unlike in Kosovo. You did wrong and you lost, we mind our job and we are doing well although as is the case in most of the Balkans, the poorness is the big issue, not the Albanians. So, what you are saying is just a projecting from the part of the Serb society who don't want to admit that it did mistakes and was wrong but is trying to project it's own fears to the others.

As for the unity of the Macedonians and the Serbs this is what Todor Aleksandrov, the VMRO leader had to say back in the day:

Писмо напишано во септември 1923 година од Тодор Александров до Јован Јовичевиќ, писмото е објавено од државниот архив на Република Македонија.

http://www.strumski.com/books/T_Aleksandrov_Jovan_Jovicevic.pdf

"Почитуван господине,

Вашиот план за една југословенска федеративна република не само што не е необичаен туку и е многу разумен. Што има подобро од тоа - Црна Гора, Босна, Хрватска, Словенија, Банат, Србија, Македонија, Бугарија - да формираат една федеративна република. Така би се создала една голема држава од албанските планини до Црно Море и од Трст до Солун. Кон таа федерација доброволно и по потреба, би се присоединиле и Грција, и Албанија, па и Романија, иако несловенски земји, па таа би се проширила до општобалканска федерација. Ние особено сметаме на тоа бидејќи во Македонија, нашата татковина, освен Бугари, живеат и Грци, и Турци, и Албанци, и Власи, па кога таа ќе биде самоуправна политичка единица во федерацијата, ќе може да се уреди така за сите споменати народности да имаат исти и еднакви права.

Ние, македонските Бугари, многу страдавме и страдаме, та не сакаме ниту еден друг народ, колку и да е мал, да страда.

Меѓутоа, наивност е да се мисли дека кралот Александар и кликата околу него од офицери, политичари и професори ќе го прифатат доброволно Вашиот план. Тие, кои посегнаа подмолно врз независноста на јуначка Црна Гора која, единствена од христијанските земји на полуостровот, не ѝ се потчини на големата Отоманска Империја - тие империјалисти братоубијци никогаш доброволно нема да се откажат од своето владеење и од својот престапен пансрбизам..."

So, if the Serbs have to blame someone, that's only them and their imperialism, not the Montengrians and certainly not the Macedonians.

[Mingle]

The goal post just keeps on getting moved for Macedonians. The standard is now the mid 1800’s, instead of 1945 onwards.

You're conflating viewpoints here. I've been arguing against the people who have been saying Tito invented the Macedonian identity for years. If you go back to any of my old posts on the topic, you won't see me arguing in favor of the Tito theory. I've even mentioned Georgi Pulevski talking about a distinct Macedonian language and ethnicity here many times (although he also considered himself Bulgarian and the Macedonian language to be descended from Old Bulgarian so was pretty confused).

I came up with the time frame of the mid 1800s because I noticed all of your posts regarding ethnic Macedonian identity in pre-Tito times don't go back earlier than the mid 1800s.

And if someone were to "change goalposts" from 1945 to the mid 1800s, then I wouldn't call it "changing goalposts", but instead "changing your position based on new information". Changing your view on something after receiving new information shows the person is intellectually honest and not just arguing for the sake of it. I haven't done that here, but I don't think someone should be judged negatively were they to do such a thing.


The Macedonian identity emerged out of the dying days of the Ottoman Empire, organically. Against all pressure to Serbianise, Hellenise and Bulgarise the population. Yes, I accept communism solidified it and not created it. I believe the Bulgarianess of Macedonians is a lie. No I don’t believe my ancestors identified as ethnic Bulgarians.

So if you believe that Macedonian identity emerged in the dying days of the Ottoman Empire, what did the people of modern day North Macedonia identify as shortly before the emergence of the Macedonian identity if not as Bulgarian?

[Vojnik]

You're conflating viewpoints here. I've been arguing against the people who have been saying Tito invented the Macedonian identity for years. If you go back to any of my old posts on the topic, you won't see me arguing in favor of the Tito theory. I've even mentioned Georgi Pulevski talking about a distinct Macedonian language and ethnicity here many times (although he also considered himself Bulgarian and the Macedonian language to be descended from Old Bulgarian so was pretty confused).

I came up with the time frame of the mid 1800s because I noticed all of your posts regarding ethnic Macedonian identity in pre-Tito times don't go back earlier than the mid 1800s.

And if someone were to "change goalposts" from 1945 to the mid 1800s, then I wouldn't call it "changing goalposts", but instead "changing your position based on new information". Changing your view on something after receiving new information shows the person is intellectually honest and not just arguing for the sake of it. I haven't done that here, but I don't think someone should be judged negatively were they to do such a thing.


I wasn't aware of your views regarding the Macedonian identity.

In regards to me only posting sources indicating a Macedonian nation separate from the others, and all of them being from middle of the 1800's (one was from the 1830's by the way), i'd like ask you, if this is the case, that Macedonians were NOT considering themselves as Serbs, Greeks or Bulgarians, but as simply Macedonians in the mid 1800's, then what brought this Macedonian identity on? Whats the theory this time explaining the reasoning why Macedonians were considering themselves as such in the mid 1800's? Could it be that these Macedonians of the 1800's were just identifying with how their ancestors identified before them? Or is there some other conspiracy similar to the Tito theory?

Furthermore, how far must i go back until Macedonians are accepted as their own ethnicity? What will satisfy people?



So if you believe that Macedonian identity emerged in the dying days of the Ottoman Empire, what did the people of modern day North Macedonia identify as shortly before the emergence of the Macedonian identity if not as Bulgarian?

How about as Christians? Turks were not a fan of nationalism in the early days of the Ottoman empire. People were divided based on religion, or social class. Nationalism started to emerge once the empire started to crumble.

[Vojnik]

Mingle. What about 1770?

The "voyages and travels through the Russian empire" page 265:


My place by the sea hospital was now filled up by a physician, a Macedonian, who had studied at Padua: He told me that in the year 1739, the last year of the Turkish War, his countrymen, the Macedonian Christians, had assembled a body of between thirty and forty thousand men, with a design to free themselves from Turkish slavery...

Interestingly, the account of this Macedonian man claims that "year 1739" and that it was "the last year of the turkish war". Why it's interesting is that it coincides with and uprising by the Serbs in 1737-1739:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_uprising_of_1737%E2%80%9339

[Stefan559]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4NFLA6rQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K_K2SlbbLw
http://www.makedonijaese.com/makedonija%20pod%20srpska%20okupacja.htm
да не ги забораиме злосторствата на четниците.

[Crn Volk]

Bump

[pulstar]

Macedonian section on this forum is trollish. Its either "Serbs blablabla" or "Bulgarians blablabla".

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian section on this forum is trollish. Its either "Serbs blablabla" or "Bulgarians blablabla".

Serbinized Macedonian keep quiet.

[Dušan]

Serbian terror?! Тhis thread is hilarious

[pulstar]

Serbinized Macedonian keep quiet.

Why are you being an asshole? I meant nothing bad.

[Dušan]

Serbian terror in North Macedonia 1918-1941. :lightbul:


RESTORATION OF SKOPLJE AND MACEDONIA 1918-1941.

During the so-called "Serbian occupation" of Macedonia, the building of the Vardar Banovina (today's Sobranje) was built, Officers' Home, the most beautiful railway station in Europe, the National Bank, Post office, green market, city park, ZOO, population census was conducted, done geodetic survey with the first aerial recordings, a water supply system was built from the Raša spring near the village of Raduša, hydroelectric power plant Matka on the river Treski, sewage system, The buildings of the men's grammar school Kiril i Metodij, the women's grammar school Kraljica Marija were built, the University was built, the collapsed library of Isa-beg was restored, the children's resort on the hill Vodno, 280km street with about 20 intersections, extended city hospital, built war shelters, raised overpasses, bridges, tennis courts and 2 football fields. The number of schools on the level of the whole of Macedonia has tripled, and more than 1000 km of new roads have been built ... Over a billion dinars were invested at that time, which was a huge amount of money. It's just that a person wants such an "occupation".


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King Alexander National Theater, Skoplje.

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New bridge, Skoplje.

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Skoplje Military Hospital.

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An art school in Skoplje which was built during the reign of King Alexander Karadjordjevic.

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Construction of water supply and sewerage.

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Skoplje Thermal Power Plant.

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Pharmacy Vardar 1926.

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Gymnasium, Ohrid.

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Men's Gymnasium.

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School "Tsar Dusan"

https://scontent.fskp4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17862651_1027429184024722_2519413201246809040_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=Wzm_zd_ti_MAX_Rp21J&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-2.fna&oh=7be57211b55154218ba44d9ec51bc0f3&oe=5F581960


Skoplje Barrack.

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New school 1929.

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New School in South Vinica.

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Men's Gymnasium, Mosque, Officer's Home, Park "Isljahane", bridge Tsar Dusan.

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Removing the Turkish board Uskub and setting the name Skoplje.

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Kumanovo Falconry was built in 1931. Today's appearance.

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The first electrification in Kumanovo (1926). The picture shows the owner of the power plant Zivko Stoilkovic.

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National Library.

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Serbian Army in Skoplje.

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Tropical Institute.

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King Peter Street with Hotel Moscow.

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New Falconry in Skoplje.

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Railway station, the most beautiful in Europe, Skoplje.

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Cathedral, Skoplje.

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Sanatorium, Vardar.

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New barrack of the 21st regiment of the Serbian army.

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Bunjakovac.

https://scontent.fskp4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17855423_1027433097357664_9040717632809995891_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=1NNEba4ZHAEAX8HXUNj&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-1.fna&oh=b9abdb38336731ce9b108416cb3fae9d&oe=5F594FFE


Tobacco Institute Prilep.

https://scontent.fskp4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17861914_1027422387358735_1651479307807194780_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=Z6_rqcJRzYoAX99V49V&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-1.fna&oh=e19ebf0b99bd20bcf6977ad8703e93f6&oe=5F5A200C

[Vojnik]

Serbian terror in North Macedonia 1918-1941. :lightbul:

Look man; there was some good that came out of colonisation, but there was also some bad situations for Macedonians.

But it was done in the past. Time to move on and forgive.

[Dušan]

Look man; there was some good that came out of colonisation, but there was also some bad situations for Macedonians.

But it was done in the past. Time to move on and forgive.

I think Skopje should pay every cent that Belgrade invested in North Macedonia 1918-1941.

You have your country, pay that first, and than build statues to who ever you want.

[Vojnik]

I think Skopje should pay every cent that Belgrade invested in North Macedonia 1918-1941.

You have your country, pay that first, and than build statues to who ever you want.


Why should they pay anything? Did not Belgrade profit enough from the whole of Yugoslavia? All the money went to Belgrade.

[pulstar]

I think Skopje should pay every cent that Belgrade invested in North Macedonia 1918-1941.

You have your country, pay that first, and than build statues to who ever you want.

They kind of did. Most of the buildings in Knez Mihailova were built by workers from Macedonia, like National Museum, National Theater and I can start naming more, but that's enough.

[Vojnik]

They kind of did. Most of the buildings in Knez Mihailova were built by workers from Macedonia, like National Museum, National Theater and I can start naming more, but that's enough.


Oh wow. I visited that museum. Didn't know Macedonians contributed to it. :)

[pulstar]

Oh wow. I visited that museum. Didn't know Macedonians contributed to it. :)

The facade on the museum was either entirely or vast majority done by Macedonian workers, as far as I know.

[Serbian Eagle]

WORLD WAR II - BULGARIZATION AND PERSECUTION OF SERBS


With the occupation of Yugoslavia in 1941, the Vardar Banovina was divided between Bulgarians and Albanians. Genocide began against Serbs. Bulgarian occupiers did the most. Bulgarians captured and killed members of the "Association of Serbian Chetniks for the King and Homeland", "Association of Serbian Chetniks Petar Mrkonjić", Serbian National Youth, National Defense, and even members of "Sokol" and members of the Democratic and Radical Party. Teachers, Priests and Merchants if they are not killed, they were taken to German and Bulgarian camps. The occupier conducted the Bulgarianization and all Serbian surnames on -IĆ were changed to -OV. The Serbian language was Banned, Serbian churches, Monasteries and libraries have been looted, private and state property was confiscated. Priests, professors and teachers were brought from Bulgaria. Bulgaria did annexation, introduced its legislation and mobilized Serbian young men and sent them to the front. Resistance was offered by old Chetniks and members of Chetnik organizations - enlisted in the Yugoslav Army in the Homeland (Jugoslovenska Vojska u Otadzbini). The first units were established in Drimkol, Rudnik and Kozjak, around Prilep, Kumanovo, Leško, Gostivar, Kratovo, Kičevo ... JVuO in Macedonia numbered about 5,000 fighters.

The Communist Party and the Provincial Committee of the Communist Party of Macedonia, headed by Metodije Shatov, he approached to the Bulgarian occupier and the Bulgarian Communist Party. After the withdrawal of the Bulgarian army, a large number of Bulgarian officials and priests remained in Macedonia. They remained in their jobs even though they were part of the Bulgarian occupation system - as if nothing had happened. Bulgarian communists also came. Even the entry of the People's Liberation Army of Albania into Old Serbia and Macedonia is allowed. Thus, the territory of Macedonia and Old Serbia was re-occupied by Albanians and Bulgarians with the blessing of Josip Broz Tito. The exact number of killed was never determined, but it is known that by 1942, the Bulgarian occupier expelled 38,846 Serbs. With the arrival of communists from Albania, Bulgaria and Serbia, the creation of the Macedonian state, nation, language and church began. Exiled Serbs were not allowed to return (as well as Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija), and those Serbs who did not leave their homeland had their surnames changed from -IĆ to -SKI, and even some of them were moved to Srem as Macedonians.

[Serbian Eagle]

Онo што бугарското дејство го создаде во Македонија од 1870. до 1903. година, српско-македонската и четничката акција го срушија за 4 години. Толку o бугарскиот карактер на Македонија.

https://scontent.fskp4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50620597_569871570145331_820644894509891584_o.jpg? _nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=eofMVx3Y_okAX-CX-50&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-1.fna&oh=5ae6cf372e20ac1fded6a3ec2e6b71e5&oe=5F55FCB5

[Serbian Eagle]

And now im waiting for the poor Bulgarian user called Crn Volk, to post one of his "NATO Macedonian army" photos. On each of my posts he reply with these pictures https://imgur.com/a/OJepMzU. That poor kind is persistently trying to provoke me with that, thus proving not only how poor he is but how poor his Country is. Macedonia changed its name in exchange to became one of Poor Puppets of the EU and NATO, if Macedonia was in the place of Serbia in the problem with Kosovo, it would recognize Kosovo only to join NATO, so much about the pride of that country and that people. Serbia has been offered 10x times to recognize Kosovo in order to join the EU and NATO, but we refused. Because we don't need those two pacts.

[Serbian Eagle]

One testimony from Poland by Feliks Koneczny from the magazine "Slovenski svet", Krakow ("Świat słowiański", Krakow), 1908.


"Serbian gymnasium burns down in Skopje (Old Serbia)

The students barely escaped, the building burned down completely. This fact is an illustration of the fratricidal struggle that Bulgarians and Serbs are waging in Macedonia. The gymnasium, which as a well-known cultural and agitation center has long been uncomfortable for Bulgarians, seems to have been destroyed.

https://scontent.fskp4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117348129_1381565482053473_8919714458207681379_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=9XZsVcbiFnIAX--MSTL&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-2.fna&oh=aac67f9c1192457fc629ae4e46383939&oe=5F5E9746

[Crn Volk]

Macedonian section on this forum is trollish. Its either "Serbs blablabla" or "Bulgarians blablabla".

Greek, Bulgar and Albanian trolls have quietened down, I guess it's Serb turn now.

[Novi Pazar]

I think Skopje should pay every cent that Belgrade invested in North Macedonia 1918-1941.

You have your country, pay that first, and than build statues to who ever you want.

You can add compensation to families (human lives lost). When the chit hits the fan and Madhe Shqiperia and Golema Bugarska eyes over them who will they will crawl back to to?

[Novi Pazar]

Greek, Bulgar and Albanian trolls have quietened down, I guess it's Serb turn now.

The Serb comes here with REASON, rest have no basis only twisted half truths and outright lies!

[Novi Pazar]

These victims are Serb civilians from western Serbia killed by Croats, Austrians and Hungarians in WW1.

How dare you to falcificate history and present them as other victims? You digusting Bulgarian ignorant.

This had Pi.ssed me off also......a bulgarianised leftover, now Macedonianised with simpathies of Turkic Bulgaria! IDIOTA! Sram ti bil!

[Novi Pazar]

You werent known as Macedonian pre 1913 you were known as Bulgarian excharsists. I have over 200 consul documents of the time from Austrian, French and English.

Russian soldiers were going from village to village saying if you want to be free from the Turk them you must join the Excharte or you wont get your freedom.

I can post ALL consul reports if you like.

The ignatiev idea! Russia planned for a big-greater Bulgaria because a great Bulgaria means control of Mediterranean, and Southern Serbia was a big deal for Russian Interests. So how a backwater like Bulgaria manage then to conduct warfare? Russian money and supplies!

[PAGANE]

Гледаме ви сеира :)

[Serbian Eagle]

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

About "Serbian Crimes" in Tikvesh Uprising

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks, Bulgarians have gone so far that they declared photographs of Austro-Hungarian army and its crimes in Mačva as the crimes of Serbs against Bulgarians in Macedonia. The official Macedonian historiography is doing that today. The most common fictitious crimes that can be found in Bulgarian ′′documents′′ are like those that happened in Jasenovac, massacre, burning childrens in bread furnaces, avulsion of nails, ears and noses, cutting breasts and gender organs.. The number of killed is very small around 545 rebels. Bulgarian historiography lists over 2000 killed but only 500 victims should be known. Macedonian historiography lists around 1000 victims.

Conclusion: You are miserable.

[Crn Volk]

https://tribuna.mk/cutovi-bea-gi-otkinaa-vo-nokjta-crna-gi-pogubija/

[Crn Volk]

About "Serbian Crimes" in Tikvesh Uprising

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks, Bulgarians have gone so far that they declared photographs of Austro-Hungarian army and its crimes in Mačva as the crimes of Serbs against Bulgarians in Macedonia. The official Macedonian historiography is doing that today. The most common fictitious crimes that can be found in Bulgarian ′′documents′′ are like those that happened in Jasenovac, massacre, burning childrens in bread furnaces, avulsion of nails, ears and noses, cutting breasts and gender organs.. The number of killed is very small around 545 rebels. Bulgarian historiography lists over 2000 killed but only 500 victims should be known. Macedonian historiography lists around 1000 victims.

Conclusion: You are miserable.

Who is miserable?



However the systematic maltreatment of POWs in this campaign was revenge for well-documented Serbian atrocities in the Balkan wars of 1912–13, when whole villages of Albanians and Bulgarians were exterminated, with male inhabitants driven into prepared killing zones at night and there clubbed to death in order not to alarm their families with the noise of rifle shots, after which the houses were fired, to flush out the women and children, who were bayonetted and bludgeoned to death. Soldiers refusing to take part in the massacres were threatened with court martial. The Austro-Hungarian minister in Belgrade commented at the time in an internal memorandum that Serbia was a state where ‘murder and killing have been raised to a system’.

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2020/03/20/mayhem-and-massacre-in-macedonia/

[Serbian Eagle]

Who is miserable?


Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks.

By posting the images of crimes against the Serbian people in Croatia and present them as crimes against Bulgarians, you have proved that your people have no evidence of so-called Serbian crimes against the Bulgarian civillians.

After all those stupid outbursts you had, you expect me to believe you? First you tried to present Tasko Naumovic as a Bulgarian member of VMRO, but the really truth is that he was a Cincar who loved Serbia and its culture and declared himself as a Serb and he was a member of Serbian Chetniks which fought against VMRO terrorists. Then, you tried to present Brsjaci Tribe as Bulgarians. And after all that you post a picture of crimes against Serbian Civillians and presented them as Serbian crimes against Bulgarians (how stupid you have to be to do something like that).

Conclusion: You are more Miserable than i thought.

[Incal]

And now im waiting for the poor Bulgarian user called Crn Volk, to post one of his "NATO Macedonian army" photos. On each of my posts he reply with these pictures https://imgur.com/a/OJepMzU. That poor kind is persistently trying to provoke me with that, thus proving not only how poor he is but how poor his Country is. Macedonia changed its name in exchange to became one of Poor Puppets of the EU and NATO, if Macedonia was in the place of Serbia in the problem with Kosovo, it would recognize Kosovo only to join NATO, so much about the pride of that country and that people. Serbia has been offered 10x times to recognize Kosovo in order to join the EU and NATO, but we refused. Because we don't need those two pacts.

lol

[Crn Volk]

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks.

By posting the images of crimes against the Serbian people in Croatia and present them as crimes against Bulgarians, you have proved that your people have no evidence of so-called Serbian crimes against the Bulgarian civillians.

After all those stupid outbursts you had, you expect me to believe you? First you tried to present Tasko Naumovic as a Bulgarian member of VMRO, but the really truth is that he was a Cincar who loved Serbia and its culture and declared himself as a Serb and he was a member of Serbian Chetniks which fought against VMRO terrorists. Then, you tried to present Brsjaci Tribe as Bulgarians. And after all that you post a picture of crimes against Serbian Civillians and presented them as Serbian crimes against Bulgarians (how stupid you have to be to do something like that).

Conclusion: You are more Miserable than i thought.

Are you fucked in the head?

Respost:


However the systematic maltreatment of POWs in this campaign was revenge for well-documented Serbian atrocities in the Balkan wars of 1912–13, when whole villages of Albanians and Bulgarians were exterminated, with male inhabitants driven into prepared killing zones at night and there clubbed to death in order not to alarm their families with the noise of rifle shots, after which the houses were fired, to flush out the women and children, who were bayonetted and bludgeoned to death. Soldiers refusing to take part in the massacres were threatened with court martial. The Austro-Hungarian minister in Belgrade commented at the time in an internal memorandum that Serbia was a state where ‘murder and killing have been raised to a system’.

Read the Carnegie Commission report into the Balkan Wars. It's full of accounts of Serb forces committing atrocities against Macedonian civilians

[Crn Volk]

And now im waiting for the poor Bulgarian user called Crn Volk, to post one of his "NATO Macedonian army" photos. On each of my posts he reply with these pictures https://imgur.com/a/OJepMzU. That poor kind is persistently trying to provoke me with that, thus proving not only how poor he is but how poor his Country is. Macedonia changed its name in exchange to became one of Poor Puppets of the EU and NATO, if Macedonia was in the place of Serbia in the problem with Kosovo, it would recognize Kosovo only to join NATO, so much about the pride of that country and that people. Serbia has been offered 10x times to recognize Kosovo in order to join the EU and NATO, but we refused. Because we don't need those two pacts.

Yes, good luck with the Eurasian Union.

https://i2.wp.com/www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/EAEU-2019.jpg?fit=900%2C506&quality=90&strip=all&ssl=1

[Novi Pazar]

“However the systematic maltreatment of POWs in this campaign was revenge for well-documented Serbian atrocities in the Balkan wars of 1912–13, when whole villages of Albanians and Bulgarians were exterminated, with male inhabitants driven into prepared killing zones at night and there clubbed to death in order not to alarm their families with the noise of rifle shots, after which the houses were fired, to flush out the women and children, who were bayonetted and bludgeoned to death. Soldiers refusing to take part in the massacres were threatened with court martial. The Austro-Hungarian minister in Belgrade commented at the time in an internal memorandum that Serbia was a state where ‘murder and killing have been raised to a system’.”

Not doubting people were killed, simple fact you have a gun and you have killed, its war! However quoting from Austro-Hungarians during that time smells of propaganda and OVER EXAGGERATION! Austro-Hungarians were responsible for creation of Albania and anti-Serbian SLOGANS like: SERBS MUST DIE!

Plz don’t flirt around with that quote so lightly! Beware of the Catholics, but Macedonia is a sellout, as l understand the Pope was there recently.

[Renekton]

Serbs leave us alone!!!!

[Novi Pazar]

Serbs leave us alone!!!!

First of all, stop dancing the oro, find your own bulgar dance!

[Crn Volk]

First of all, stop dancing the oro, find your own bulgar dance!

Yes, we have oro, you have kolo. Oro is derived from Greek χορός (khorós): "dance"

[Crn Volk]

“However the systematic maltreatment of POWs in this campaign was revenge for well-documented Serbian atrocities in the Balkan wars of 1912–13, when whole villages of Albanians and Bulgarians were exterminated, with male inhabitants driven into prepared killing zones at night and there clubbed to death in order not to alarm their families with the noise of rifle shots, after which the houses were fired, to flush out the women and children, who were bayonetted and bludgeoned to death. Soldiers refusing to take part in the massacres were threatened with court martial. The Austro-Hungarian minister in Belgrade commented at the time in an internal memorandum that Serbia was a state where ‘murder and killing have been raised to a system’.”

Not doubting people were killed, simple fact you have a gun and you have killed, its war! However quoting from Austro-Hungarians during that time smells of propaganda and OVER EXAGGERATION! Austro-Hungarians were responsible for creation of Albania and anti-Serbian SLOGANS like: SERBS MUST DIE!

Plz don’t flirt around with that quote so lightly! Beware of the Catholics, but Macedonia is a sellout, as l understand the Pope was there recently.

Yes, we have great relations with the Vatican


https://youtu.be/cX7cp_xSGu4


https://youtu.be/4mZ8-kUbS-Q

[Novi Pazar]

Yes, we have oro, you have kolo. Oro is derived from Greek χορός (khorós): "dance"

Kolo represents the SUN! Greeks call this dance as Serviko. Whilst some fake Macedonians call it oro?

[Novi Pazar]

^ time to embrace your Turkic roots, hail Asparukh! Year of pig!

[Novi Pazar]

Yes, we have great relations with the Vatican


https://youtu.be/cX7cp_xSGu4


https://youtu.be/4mZ8-kUbS-Q

Fanastic, the devil has arrived to destroy, good. It may be of benefit to all except your own!

[MegaArgus1]

Fanastic, the devil has arrived to destroy, good. It may be of benefit to all except your own!
Too many churches but one god.
We have the Jewish god Jehovah.
Muslims have the same god too, Mohammad wrote his book based on the revelation by the angel Gabriel.

[Vojnik]

Too many churches but one god.
We have the Jewish god Jehovah.
Muslims have the same god too, Mohammad wrote his book based on the revelation by the angel Gabriel.

Wake up and understand that the God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran are not the same!

The I AM of the burning bush in Exodus is not the same as Allah.

[Serbian Eagle]

Are you fucked in the head?

Respost:



Read the Carnegie Commission report into the Balkan Wars. It's full of accounts of Serb forces committing atrocities against Macedonian civilians


Well, they can write everything they want but still there is no photos of victims of Crime, until I see the pictures, I don't believe in any texts and that shit, you understand me now?

[Serbian Eagle]

Serbs leave us alone!!!!

Imagine "Serbs leave us alone" and your users are the first who started a thread called "Serbian Terror in Macedonia", and what did you expect from my people, that they will keep silent and listen to those miserable myths of yours? First you bark and then you cry, typical Bulgarian.

[Serbian Eagle]

Yes, good luck with the Eurasian Union.

https://i2.wp.com/www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/EAEU-2019.jpg?fit=900%2C506&quality=90&strip=all&ssl=1

Well, Serbia doesn't need NATO nor Eurasian Union. We are strong enough to survive on our own without any Unions. One day Kosovo and Metohija will return to Serbia without any wars, believe me. Because my country has gone through many times in history for Kosovo and Metohija to be occupied, and we have always liberated it. This occupation today will fall on its own, it will fall apart. Отето Проклето.

[Crn Volk]

Imagine "Serbs leave us alone" and your users are the first who started a thread called "Serbian Terror in Macedonia", and what did you expect from my people, that they will keep silent and listen to those miserable myths of yours? First you bark and then you cry, typical Bulgarian.

The thread was started by Bugarash, a Brsjak from Demir Hisar

[KrashNick]

Well, Serbia doesn't need NATO nor Eurasian Union. We are strong enough to survive on our own without any Unions. One day Kosovo and Metohija will return to Serbia without any wars, believe me. Because my country has gone through many times in history for Kosovo and Metohija to be occupied, and we have always liberated it. This occupation today will fall on its own, it will fall apart. Отето Проклето.

https://media.tenor.com/images/16d8a8320ebb68ab362e4884d5b9b9ec/tenor.gif

[Serbian Eagle]

The thread was started by Bugarash, a Brsjak from Demir Hisar

"Bugarash"? Um, it looks like there are more Bulgarashi here on Apricity forum than i thought. Actually one of them leaved reply to my post in Bulgarian section, on August 10, i posted 107th Anniversary of the signing peace with defeated Bulgaria, and that post made one Bugarash cry. And so, all in tears, he leaved as soon as is possible one reply with a desire to provoke me. He suffers from a disease that all Bugarashi suffer from, that disease is called "Serbophobia". Here is a link of post, he leaved reply first: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329752-%26%231053%3B%26%231072%3B-%26%231090%3B%26%231086%3B%26%231079%3B%26%231080% 3B-%26%231076%3B%26%231077%3B%26%231085%3B
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329752-%26%231053%3B%26%231072%3B-%26%231090%3B%26%231086%3B%26%231079%3B%26%231080% 3B-%26%231076%3B%26%231077%3B%26%231085%3B

[Renekton]

Imagine "Serbs leave us alone" and your users are the first who started a thread called "Serbian Terror in Macedonia", and what did you expect from my people, that they will keep silent and listen to those miserable myths of yours? First you bark and then you cry, typical Bulgarian.

We want all our neighbors leave us alone.

[Renekton]

Kolo represents the SUN! Greeks call this dance as Serviko. Whilst some fake Macedonians call it oro?

Kolo in Greek means ass

[Serbian Eagle]

We want all our neighbors leave us alone.

If you want so, then first you leave us alone. You can't make threads about Serbs, spread lies and not expect a few of them to come here to defend their country and spread the truth. Your people made a unnecessary thread "Serbian terror in Macedonia" and you expect that Serbs will not come here, you can't hit someone without expecting him to hit back. My solution, first you leave us alone by asking Loki to delete this thread which is provocative and spread false evidences, and then we will leave you too, understand?

[Novi Pazar]

Kolo in Greek means ass

This ass you are talking about has a ‘g’ sound to it. Fake Macedonian like you need to live in bulgaria

[Renekton]

This ass you are talking about has a ‘g’ sound to it. Fake Macedonian like you need to live in bulgaria

Κωλος ή πρωκτός είναι ass or asshole

Πρωκτός =Αnus , Κωλος =Ass

[Novi Pazar]

Κωλος ή πρωκτός είναι ass or asshole

Πρωκτός =Αnus , Κωλος =Ass

I know Greeks, no need for a Bulgarian to tell me!

[Renekton]

I know Greeks, no need for a Bulgarian to tell me!

But I live in Greece ;)
In Θεσσαλονίκη :thumb001:

[Novi Pazar]

"Bugarash"? Um, it looks like there are more Bulgarashi here on Apricity forum than i thought. Actually one of them leaved reply to my post in Bulgarian section, on August 10, i posted 107th Anniversary of the signing peace with defeated Bulgaria, and that post made one Bugarash cry. And so, all in tears, he leaved as soon as is possible one reply with a desire to provoke me. He suffers from a disease that all Bugarashi suffer from, that disease is called "Serbophobia". Here is a link of post, he leaved reply first: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329752-%26%231053%3B%26%231072%3B-%26%231090%3B%26%231086%3B%26%231079%3B%26%231080% 3B-%26%231076%3B%26%231077%3B%26%231085%3B
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329752-%26%231053%3B%26%231072%3B-%26%231090%3B%26%231086%3B%26%231079%3B%26%231080% 3B-%26%231076%3B%26%231077%3B%26%231085%3B

LMAO

[Novi Pazar]

But I live in Greece ;)
In Θεσσαλονίκη :thumb001:

Means nothing, Bulgarians live in Vardar Banovina and call themselves Makedonci?

[Renekton]

Means nothing, Bulgarians live in Vardar Banovina and call themselves Makedonci?

I have citizenship, also you need to focus your efforts in Kosovo and Bosnia Herzegovina, your ancestry lands. Macedonia never was Serbian land only couple of years.

[Novi Pazar]

pfttttt......are you sure? Do some thinking and research, not Wikipedia!

[Renekton]

Bullshit!!

[Serbian Eagle]

Bullshit!!

Do we understand each other, or no?


If you want so, then first you leave us alone. You can't make threads about Serbs, spread lies and not expect a few of them to come here to defend their country and spread the truth. Your people made a unnecessary thread "Serbian terror in Macedonia" and you expect that Serbs will not come here, you can't hit someone without expecting him to hit back. My solution, first you leave us alone by asking Loki to delete this thread which is provocative and spread false evidences, and then we will leave you too, understand?

[Novi Pazar]

Bullshit!!

If you can not use what you have between your ears then you don’t deserve to live in Greek Macedonia, F’OFF to Bulgaria,Budal edno!

[Serbian Eagle]

Борбата кај Ѓуришки Манастир 1903

Првата српска четa во Македонија е формирана, по мајскиот преврат 1903, од страна на Др. Милорад Гоџевац, Васа Јовановиќ и Лука Человиќ. За војвода е избран калдрмџијата Илија Славе, со неговиот заменик Анѓелко Алексиќ (белградскиот аџија по род од кичевското село Мидиница). Илија Вујановиќ, бегалец од Бања Лука, кој бил осуден на смртна казна за убиството на австро-унгарскиот жандармериски водник, исто така бил примен во четата поради невнимание на Гоџевец. Тој бил во затвор во Белград поради повредување на селанец. По издржувањето на казната, тој не бил екстрадиран во Австрија затоа што побегнал во четата на војводата Илија. Вујан Корач, неговиот затворски чувар, се приклучил на четата на Вујановиќ.

Осумчлена чета ја преминала границата кај Буштрање (тогашно гранично село со Османлиската империја). Веднаш по преминувањето, Вујановиќ се судрил со војводата Илија, кого го ранил и избегал во Србија. Четата се вратила веднаш носејќи го ранетиот војвода. Најавена е награда за Вујановиќ, кој подоцна бил убиен во заседа на Дрина.

Првата борба кај Ѓуришкиот манастир

Првиот неуспех не ги обесхрабрил Гоџевиќ, Јовановиќ и Ѓеловиќ. Наскоро формирале нова чета од 11 лица (војводата Анѓелко Алексиќ, Арса Гавриловиќ - Гостиварц, Воја Корач, Стојан Ристиќ - Гилјанац, Никола од Тетово, распопениот Василије Трбиќ, Ѓорѓе Јанковиќ и уште четири неидентификувани четници). Четата била планирана за Порече и ја премина границата кај Буштрање на почетокот на септември. После неколку дена, таа дошла во селото Сушица во близина на Ѓуришкиот манастир (Овче Поле ), каде го одминале денот во шумата. Одморот бил прекинат со пукање од правец на манастирот. Четата на бугарскиот ревизиски војвода професорот Никола Пушкарев (првиот професор по природни науки во Бугарија), била нападната од турската потера. Братот на Никола е Стојан Пушкаров бил бугарски офицер (генерал-мајор), началник на артилерија во Втората армија за време на Првата светска војна (1915 - 1918).

Никола роден е во бугарскиот град Пирдоп на 14 декември 1874 година (тогашна Отоманска империја), а дипломирал основно училиште во Софија. После тоа, тој бил учител во градот Мирково. За време на 1898 до 1901 година, студирал природни науки на универзитетот во Софија. Професорот го продолжил во средното училиште во Скопје, каде станал член на ТМОРО. Во 1902 година, тој добил покана од Гоце Делчев за зајакнување на револуционерната пропаганда во скопскиот регион. Така, во 1902 година, Пушкаров станал претседател на тајната организација, а бил и уредник на тајната пропаганда „Слобода или смрт“ (бугарски: Свобода или смърт). За време на Илинданското востание во 1903 година, Пушкаров имал 18 комити со 100 кг динамит и 200 бомби како главен војвода на скопскиот регион.

Војводата Анѓелко одлучил да им помогне на Бугарите напаѓајќи ги Турците одзади. Изненадените Турци избегале, оставајќи ги мртвите и ранетите на местото на настанот. Во овој конфликт, рамото на Арса Гавриловиќ било разнесено, а Никола од Тетово (погоден во градите) бил сериозно ранет. Обидите на Пушкаров да се запре крварењето биле неуспешни. Знаејќи дека наскоро се очекува напад од многу посилни турски сили, Пушкарев го прифатил предлогот на Анѓелко заедно со четниците да се повлече во Србија.

Во Врање, биле пречекани од домаќините на Извршниот одбор. По неколку дена, Никола Пушкарев и неговата чета отпатувале за Бугарија во затворен вагон и под оружје. Нажалост тоа било првата и последна соработка помеѓу Четниците и Комитите.....

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[MegaArgus1]

Борбата кај Ѓуришки Манастир 1903

Првата српска четa во Македонија е формирана, по мајскиот преврат 1903, од страна на Др. Милорад Гоџевац, Васа Јовановиќ и Лука Человиќ. За војвода е избран калдрмџијата Илија Славе, со неговиот заменик Анѓелко Алексиќ (белградскиот аџија по род од кичевското село Мидиница). Илија Вујановиќ, бегалец од Бања Лука, кој бил осуден на смртна казна за убиството на австро-унгарскиот жандармериски водник, исто така бил примен во четата поради невнимание на Гоџевец. Тој бил во затвор во Белград поради повредување на селанец. По издржувањето на казната, тој не бил екстрадиран во Австрија затоа што побегнал во четата на војводата Илија. Вујан Корач, неговиот затворски чувар, се приклучил на четата на Вујановиќ.

Осумчлена чета ја преминала границата кај Буштрање (тогашно гранично село со Османлиската империја). Веднаш по преминувањето, Вујановиќ се судрил со војводата Илија, кого го ранил и избегал во Србија. Четата се вратила веднаш носејќи го ранетиот војвода. Најавена е награда за Вујановиќ, кој подоцна бил убиен во заседа на Дрина.

Првата борба кај Ѓуришкиот манастир

Првиот неуспех не ги обесхрабрил Гоџевиќ, Јовановиќ и Ѓеловиќ. Наскоро формирале нова чета од 11 лица (војводата Анѓелко Алексиќ, Арса Гавриловиќ - Гостиварц, Воја Корач, Стојан Ристиќ - Гилјанац, Никола од Тетово, распопениот Василије Трбиќ, Ѓорѓе Јанковиќ и уште четири неидентификувани четници). Четата била планирана за Порече и ја премина границата кај Буштрање на почетокот на септември. После неколку дена, таа дошла во селото Сушица во близина на Ѓуришкиот манастир (Овче Поле ), каде го одминале денот во шумата. Одморот бил прекинат со пукање од правец на манастирот. Четата на бугарскиот ревизиски војвода професорот Никола Пушкарев (првиот професор по природни науки во Бугарија), била нападната од турската потера. Братот на Никола е Стојан Пушкаров бил бугарски офицер (генерал-мајор), началник на артилерија во Втората армија за време на Првата светска војна (1915 - 1918).

Никола роден е во бугарскиот град Пирдоп на 14 декември 1874 година (тогашна Отоманска империја), а дипломирал основно училиште во Софија. После тоа, тој бил учител во градот Мирково. За време на 1898 до 1901 година, студирал природни науки на универзитетот во Софија. Професорот го продолжил во средното училиште во Скопје, каде станал член на ТМОРО. Во 1902 година, тој добил покана од Гоце Делчев за зајакнување на револуционерната пропаганда во скопскиот регион. Така, во 1902 година, Пушкаров станал претседател на тајната организација, а бил и уредник на тајната пропаганда „Слобода или смрт“ (бугарски: Свобода или смърт). За време на Илинданското востание во 1903 година, Пушкаров имал 18 комити со 100 кг динамит и 200 бомби како главен војвода на скопскиот регион.

Војводата Анѓелко одлучил да им помогне на Бугарите напаѓајќи ги Турците одзади. Изненадените Турци избегале, оставајќи ги мртвите и ранетите на местото на настанот. Во овој конфликт, рамото на Арса Гавриловиќ било разнесено, а Никола од Тетово (погоден во градите) бил сериозно ранет. Обидите на Пушкаров да се запре крварењето биле неуспешни. Знаејќи дека наскоро се очекува напад од многу посилни турски сили, Пушкарев го прифатил предлогот на Анѓелко заедно со четниците да се повлече во Србија.

Во Врање, биле пречекани од домаќините на Извршниот одбор. По неколку дена, Никола Пушкарев и неговата чета отпатувале за Бугарија во затворен вагон и под оружје. Нажалост тоа било првата и последна соработка помеѓу Четниците и Комитите.....

https://scontent.fskp4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117947214_10219747679176028_5474703031692929293_o. jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=_tS_bXz_KhgAX96-Ncw&_nc_ht=scontent.fskp4-1.fna&oh=e92d9f944ee4524b8867623f2cb19721&oe=5F640705


what is your point?

[Crn Volk]

what is your point?

Good question. He keeps posting some small skirmishes from some izgubeni cetnici trying to prove some point.
Serbs have been thoroughly beaten and demoralized as a nation. I find it funny they keep rearing their heads in Macedonian affairs when Macedonia, Kosovo and Karajina have been completely lost to Serbs. You can't find a Serb with a magnifying glass in these territories :cool:

[MegaArgus1]

Good question. He keeps posting some small skirmishes from some izgubeni cetnici trying to prove some point.
Serbs have been thoroughly beaten and demoralized as a nation. I find it funny they keep rearing their heads in Macedonian affairs when Macedonia, Kosovo and Karajina have been completely lost to Serbs. You can't find a Serb with a magnifying glass in these territories :cool:

I honestly don't understand what he is trying to prove. There were mixture of feelings as how to achieve our independence. Some thought that the help may come from Serbian side some thought from Bulgarian and some were not even aware what was their nationality. By isolating cases he cannot prove our general national feeling as Serbs.

[Serbian Eagle]

I honestly don't understand what he is trying to prove. There were mixture of feelings as how to achieve our independence. Some thought that the help may come from Serbian side some thought from Bulgarian and some were not even aware what was their nationality. By isolating cases he cannot prove our general national feeling as Serbs.

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks.

By posting the images of crimes against the Serbian people in Croatia and present them as crimes against Bulgarians, you have proved that your people have no evidence of so-called Serbian crimes against the Bulgarian civillians.

You can't make threads about Serbs, spread lies and not expect a few of them to come here to defend their nation and spread the truth. Your people made a unnecessary thread "Serbian terror in Macedonia" and you expect that Serbs will not come here, you can't hit someone without expecting him to hit back. My solution, first you leave us alone by asking Loki to delete this thread which is provocative and spread false evidences, and then we will leave you too, understand?

[Crn Volk]

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks.

By posting the images of crimes against the Serbian people in Croatia and present them as crimes against Bulgarians, you have proved that your people have no evidence of so-called Serbian crimes against the Bulgarian civillians.

You can't make threads about Serbs, spread lies and not expect a few of them to come here to defend their nation and spread the truth. Your people made a unnecessary thread "Serbian terror in Macedonia" and you expect that Serbs will not come here, you can't hit someone without expecting him to hit back. My solution, first you leave us alone by asking Loki to delete this thread which is provocative and spread false evidences, and then we will leave you too, understand?

The crimes are well documented by international bodies. But what can you do when Serbs still don't believe there was a genocide in Srebrenica. Even if we did present photos of Serbian crimes in Macedonia, you still would try and weasel out of it. It's the serbian way.

[MegaArgus1]

Since even today there are no photographs of ′′crimes′′ that were committed by the Serbian army and Chetniks.

By posting the images of crimes against the Serbian people in Croatia and present them as crimes against Bulgarians, you have proved that your people have no evidence of so-called Serbian crimes against the Bulgarian civillians.

You can't make threads about Serbs, spread lies and not expect a few of them to come here to defend their nation and spread the truth. Your people made a unnecessary thread "Serbian terror in Macedonia" and you expect that Serbs will not come here, you can't hit someone without expecting him to hit back. My solution, first you leave us alone by asking Loki to delete this thread which is provocative and spread false evidences, and then we will leave you too, understand?

You took this too much personal. No question there were crimes and terror in Macedonia done by Serbians, Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians.
Do you think we are not Macedonians as long as we are not Serbians?

[Novi Pazar]

The crimes are well documented by international bodies. But what can you do when Serbs still don't believe there was a genocide in Srebrenica. Even if we did present photos of Serbian crimes in Macedonia, you still would try and weasel out of it. It's the serbian way.

International bodies relying on Austro-Hungarian propaganda as objective information?

Crimes happened in Srebrenica, all sides and their handlers from around the world need to be tried also. Do you know there was 4,000 Serbs cleansed from Srebrenica by Muslims, your point?

[Novi Pazar]

Good question. He keeps posting some small skirmishes from some izgubeni cetnici trying to prove some point.
Serbs have been thoroughly beaten and demoralized as a nation. I find it funny they keep rearing their heads in Macedonian affairs when Macedonia, Kosovo and Karajina have been completely lost to Serbs. You can't find a Serb with a magnifying glass in these territories :cool:

Kosovo is not lost, far from it.

I know you can’t find a Serb, because you retain your ‘ich’ suffix to your surname, no jobs, correct.

[Crn Volk]

International bodies relying on Austro-Hungarian propaganda as objective information?

Crimes happened in Srebrenica, all sides and their handlers from around the world need to be tried also. Do you know there was 4,000 Serbs cleansed from Srebrenica by Muslims, your point?

Cool story

[Novi Pazar]

^ I’ve read the UNITED NATIONS document, it fully documented crimes that was committed on Serbs in Srebrenica, so your point?

[Novi Pazar]

A stupid Bulgar who loves VMRO will never understand the beauty of reconciliation.........let’s wait your turn when Shqiptars will take your Khanate, totally west of Vardar......don’t come crying to the north of your border for assistance go to your turko-Slavs, they’ll take you with a cucumber up your rear ends....when that time comes you’ll become a Bulgar LMAO

[Crn Volk]

A stupid Bulgar who loves VMRO will never understand the beauty of reconciliation.........let’s wait your turn when Shqiptars will take your Khanate, totally west of Vardar......don’t come crying to the north of your border for assistance go to your turko-Slavs, they’ll take you with a cucumber up your rear ends....when that time comes you’ll become a Bulgar LMAO

Don't worry nobody will be looking north for assistance. Our borders are guaranteed by NATO. We are surrounded by NATO allies. It is Serbia that is surrounded by NATO enemies. One move and you're fucked :cool:

[Serbian Eagle]

Don't worry nobody will be looking north for assistance. Our borders are guaranteed by NATO. We are surrounded by NATO allies. It is Serbia that is surrounded by NATO enemies. One move and you're fucked :cool:

You are young and dumb. Serbia has no reason to attack North Macedonia or any other country, this is not a movie or cartoon. You don't have to worry, Serbian Army is a factor of peace and stability in the Balkan. Serbian army protects its Homeland and its people wherever they live.

[Varda]

Is this a joke? Only Serbs are friendly towards the N. Macedonians of all neighboring peoples.

[Serbian Eagle]

Is this a joke? Only Serbs are friendly towards the N. Macedonians of all neighboring peoples.

These users like Crn Volk, they do not represent the people of North Macedonia. They are Bugarashi (losers that licking shoes to Bulgarians), people in North Macedonia do not hate Serbs, nor do they love them in particular, but they are very friendly towards them.

[Varda]

These users like Crn Volk, they do not represent the people of North Macedonia. They are Bugarashi (losers that licking shoes to Bulgarians), people in North Macedonia do not hate Serbs, nor do they love them in particular, but they are very friendly towards them.

Nick of guy who opened this thread is Bugarash. xD

[Varda]

These users like Crn Volk, they do not represent the people of North Macedonia. They are Bugarashi (losers that licking shoes to Bulgarians), people in North Macedonia do not hate Serbs, nor do they love them in particular, but they are very friendly towards them.

Crn Volk is bugarash who promote Macedonian nationalism, hahahaaa.

[Mingle]

In regards to me only posting sources indicating a Macedonian nation separate from the others, and all of them being from middle of the 1800's (one was from the 1830's by the way), i'd like ask you, if this is the case, that Macedonians were NOT considering themselves as Serbs, Greeks or Bulgarians, but as simply Macedonians in the mid 1800's, then what brought this Macedonian identity on? Whats the theory this time explaining the reasoning why Macedonians were considering themselves as such in the mid 1800's? Could it be that these Macedonians of the 1800's were just identifying with how their ancestors identified before them? Or is there some other conspiracy similar to the Tito theory?

Okay, early-mid 1800's then.

As for what brought about the change, someone else could give a better answer. I guess it would have had to do with Macedonia being part of Bulgaria, so beginning to drift from them over time. You yourself later state that Macedonians originally were just Christian Slavs before adopting a Macedonian ethnic identity. So saying they were Macedonians for centuries contradicts your later claim they just had "Christian" as their identity.

Also, even though there are sources saying Macedonian identity was separate to the Bulgarian one before Tito, there are also many sources stating that it was Bulgarian. So at some time, there was a transition from Bulgarian (or 'Christian' if you prefer) to Macedonian. That time period seems to be somewhere in the 1800's.


Furthermore, how far must i go back until Macedonians are accepted as their own ethnicity? What will satisfy people?

Speaking for myself, I don't deny Macedonians today being their own ethnic group. I was just trying to find out when exactly the beginning of their identity (as an independent ethnicity) started.


How about as Christians? Turks were not a fan of nationalism in the early days of the Ottoman empire. People were divided based on religion, or social class. Nationalism started to emerge once the empire started to crumble.

So you're saying they switched from being anational Christian Slavs to Macedonians in the 19th century?


Mingle. What about 1770?

I don't see why it couldn't have just been used a regional descriptor here.

[Varda]

......

Koga ke se obedinite so majkata Bugarija? :biggrin:

[Varda]

Zhivotni

https://m.mkd.mk/files/styles/statija/public/article/2016/04/04/mkd-253155.jpg?itok=5E-4syXB

Imbecile, it is a picture of Serb victims of Austro-Hungarian terror in Mačva region in WW1.
Look down http://penglaimartialarts.blogspot.com/2019/02/youngest-soldier-of-wwi.html

[Serbian Eagle]

Imbecile, it is a picture of Serb victims of Austro-Hungarian terror in Mačva region in WW1. Look down http://penglaimartialarts.blogspot.com/2019/02/youngest-soldier-of-wwi.html

Bugarashi have no evidence of any Serbian "crime" in Macedonia so they have gone so far that they declared photographs of Austro-Hungarian army and its crimes in Mačva as the crimes of Serbs against Bulgarians in Macedonia. Those imbeciles have no respect even for a death people. What you gonna do, eh? They are young and dumb, they are taught to hate.

[Varda]

Bugarashi have no evidence of any Serbian "crime" in Macedonia so they have gone so far that they declared photographs of Austro-Hungarian army and its crimes in Mačva as the crimes of Serbs against Bulgarians in Macedonia. Those imbeciles have no respect even for a death people. What you gonna do, eh? They are young and dumb, they are taught to hate.

Yea, you are right.

[Serbian Eagle]

Yea, you are right.

Just remember pal, never condemn the whole people of Northern Macedonia because of certain idiots like these here.

[Crn Volk]

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СТО И ШЕСТ ГОДИНИ ОД ТИКВЕШКОТО ВОСТАНИЕ

Сто и шест години од Тиквешкото востание се навршуваат денеска, 19 јуни, а историчарот Петре Камчевски од Кавадарци, во изјава за МИА раскажува детали за ова востание.

По завршувањето на Првата Балканска Војна и протерувањето на Турците од Балканскиот Полуостров, територијата на тогашна Македонија била поделена на интересни сфери на влијание. На десната страна на реката Вардар биле сконцентрирани српските воено административни сили или Тимочката дивизија, а на левата, бугарските воени сили, четвртата армија. Веднаш по назначувањето на потполковникот Драган Урошевиќ за командант и управник на Кавадарци, српските воени сили ги покажале своите асимилаторски и денационализаторски тенденции.

-Како прво, тој го разрешил кметот на Кавадарци Тасе Бошков и шестчлената мешана комисија составена од Македонци и Турци, кои привремено управувале со градот. Тој им кажал дека оттогаш па натаму, ќе било така, како што тој ќе кажел. Веднаш потоа биле истерани од работа сите учители, а на нивно место биле донесени учители од Србија. Оние кои сакале да останат, биле приморани да одат на курс во Белград, каде требало добро да го научат српскиот јазик и српската историја. Најнапред била затворена третокласната нижа гимназија во Кавадарци, а биле уапсени учителите Ристо Михов, Ѓошо Бадев, Борис Минчев, Димитар Коцев и други. Набргу истата судбина ги нашла и свештениците во Тиквешко, а нивниот архиерејски старешина Глигорие Лазаров бил претепан, затоа што се обидел да го пречека својот митрополит на железничката станица во Криволак. Во една турска куќа во Кавадарци, српските војници ги убиле сите нејзини членови, само затоа што им се спротивставиле на војниците да пљачкаат во куќата, раскажа Камчевски.

Во селото Ваташа, продолжи тој, биле безмилосно претепани Зарко Илиев, Тодор Мицев и Лазар Хаџи-Јорданов, без никаква причина.

-Во истото село била тепана и измачувана и Наца Пинџурова, мајка на војводата Димитар Пинџуров, од неа било барано да каже каде е нејзиниот син. Бидејќи паднала во бессознание, комшиите ја кренале на носилка и ја однеле дома. Во Кавадарци бил убиен младинецот Александар Видов, кој на прашањето на управникот на градот, Урошевиќ, дали е Србин или не, одговорил негативно. Поради страв од револт на народот, неговото тело било тајно изнесено од градот и закопано на скришно место. Така што, до ден денешен не се знае каде е неговиот гроб. Во Ваташа била силувана Марија Тодорова од страна на поручникот Милан Керковиќ, само еден ден по нејзината свадба, соопшти Камчевски.

Револтот на населението од овој крај од ден на ден бил се поголем.-Така во почетокот на јуни 1913 година, поранешните војводи и револуционери, Дончо Лазаров, Мишо Шкартова, Димитар Пинџуров, Тасе Мурџев, Коцо Сеизов, Тодор Камчев и други, се собрале во куќата на Јованче Шкартов и се договориле да го подготвуваат револтираниот народ за вооружено востание. На овој состанок присуствувал и Петко Пенчев, претставник на бугарската Влада, кој им ветил несебична помош на востаниците. Тука биле и вооружените чети на ВМРО на Христо Чернопеев, Ѓакон Евстатиј, Васил Чакаларов, Петар Чаулев и други, кои исто така понудиле поддршка за востанието. Бил формиран Главен штаб на востанието, во кој влегле дваесетина видни револуционери од Кавадарци, Неготино и Ваташа, информираше Камчевс

На 19 јуни востаниците го објавиле востанието, со биење на камбаните и пукање во општинскиот писар и другите српски чиновници во Кавадарци.

-По силниот напад, градот бил ослободен од српската власт. На општинската зграда било симнато српското знаме и било подигнато револуционерното, од 1903 година, на кое пишувало „Слобода или смрт”, а под него, „Тиквешки револуционерен округ”. Во наредните денови биле ослободени Неготино на 22 јуни и Криволак, како и сите поголеми села во Тиквешијата во кои имало сконцентрирано српска војска. Градот Кавадарци бил слободен цели седум дена, а биле ослободени и педесетина села, меѓу кои и некои од прилепска општина, рече Камчевски.

За тоа време не бил регистриран ниту еден инцидент помеѓу македонското и турското население во Кавадарци.

-По седум дена, голема српска војска предводена од Василие Трбиќ, помогната од башибозучки чети на Јован Бабунски, Јован Долгачот и Јаја Ага Малиќ, ги нападнале востаничките позиции кај Неготино, потоа кај Сирково, Рибарци и Манастирец. Штабот на востаниците бил на Љубаш, од каде се гледала целата линија на фронтот. Востаничките сили кога слушнале дека голема српска војска заедно со турските наемници се приближуваат кон Кавадарци, се разделиле на повеќе од 10 групи и се распоредиле фронтовски по целата линија на фронтот, на 5-6 километри северно од Кавадарци, во близина на селата Манастирец и Рибарци. Тука српските чети биле наполно разбиени и биле приморани да се повлечат кон Градско и Велес, оставајќи голем број убиени и ранети војници и големо количество оружје, меѓу кое и повеќе тешки митролези. На двапати српската војска повторно напаѓала и била одбивана и принудена да се врати назад, но отсуството на ветената помош придонела големата српска војска и башибозук да ги разбијат востаничките сили, кои биле приморани да се повлечат спрема Конопиште и планината Кожуф, раскажа Камчевски.

По задушувањето на востанието, настанал страшен терор. -Биле убиени 545 луѓе, според наодите на Карнегиевата комисија, покрај тоа што вистинската бројка била многу поголема. Најмногу убиени имало во Неготино, 117, во Бохула 46, Ваташа 37, Сирково 26, Кавадарци 25, Дреново 13, Марена 12, Мрзен Ораовец 11 и слично. Биле запалени повеќе од илјада куќи, а 2700 луѓе биле затворени. Исплашени од репресалии, за кратко време од Тиквешијата се иселиле повеќе од 3.000 семејства, најмногу во Бугарија и никогаш повеќе не се вратиле во своите домови. Тиквешкото востание и последиците од него, го претставуваат најголемиот терор во поновата историја на народот од овој крај, завршува Камчевски.

[Crn Volk]

https://youtu.be/A9rULQlvclY

[Crn Volk]

Even former Serbian President apologized to Macedonians for the crimes of the Serbian occupation forces....


Tadić feels guilty, apologizes to Macedonian people

Boris Tadić says he feels guilty for failing to apologize to Macedonia "because of the presence of the Serbian Gendarmerie in that country in the past."

SOURCE: TANJUG FRIDAY, AUGUST 22, 2014 | 15:49

"It was not a great experience for the Macedonian people. For that very reason, as a former president, I would like to extend my apology and amend the mistake I made then," Tadić told the Skopje-based TV Sitel.

The leader of the opposition New Democratic Party (NDS) said that he is confident that this can bring the two nations closer together and particularly urged a solution for the relations between the Serbian Orthodox Church and the canonically unrecognized Macedonian Orthodox Church.

Tadić, who was in Skopje to attend the closing of the Ohrid Summer Festival - which also featured Belgrade's Zvezdara Theater - said that, as president of Serbia, he visited Macedonia many times and advocated a resolution of issues from the past.

This is important because the ties connecting Serbia and Macedonia are not merely historical, and there is no aspect where they are not strong, Tadić added.

"I had an opportunity to talk to scientists, historians, not only politicians. Some of them told me important things and I feel guilty because while I was the president of Serbia, I never apologized to the Macedonian people because of the presence of the Serbian Gendarmerie in Macedonia," Tadić said.

The reports on Friday did not say whether Tadić explained when and under what circumstances this happened.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2014&mm=08&dd=22&nav_id=91382

[MegaArgus1]

Even former Serbian President apologized to Macedonians for the crimes of the Serbian occupation forces....


Tadić feels guilty, apologizes to Macedonian people

Boris Tadić says he feels guilty for failing to apologize to Macedonia "because of the presence of the Serbian Gendarmerie in that country in the past."

SOURCE: TANJUG FRIDAY, AUGUST 22, 2014 | 15:49

"It was not a great experience for the Macedonian people. For that very reason, as a former president, I would like to extend my apology and amend the mistake I made then," Tadić told the Skopje-based TV Sitel.

The leader of the opposition New Democratic Party (NDS) said that he is confident that this can bring the two nations closer together and particularly urged a solution for the relations between the Serbian Orthodox Church and the canonically unrecognized Macedonian Orthodox Church.

Tadić, who was in Skopje to attend the closing of the Ohrid Summer Festival - which also featured Belgrade's Zvezdara Theater - said that, as president of Serbia, he visited Macedonia many times and advocated a resolution of issues from the past.

This is important because the ties connecting Serbia and Macedonia are not merely historical, and there is no aspect where they are not strong, Tadić added.

"I had an opportunity to talk to scientists, historians, not only politicians. Some of them told me important things and I feel guilty because while I was the president of Serbia, I never apologized to the Macedonian people because of the presence of the Serbian Gendarmerie in Macedonia," Tadić said.

The reports on Friday did not say whether Tadić explained when and under what circumstances this happened.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2014&mm=08&dd=22&nav_id=91382

By apologizing Serbia loses nothing but gains Macedonian favour.

[Serbian Eagle]

https://makpress.mk/Images-Posts/294635-0.basic-tikveshkovostanie.jpg

https://makpress.mk/home/PostDetails?PostId=294635

This picture is still no proof, it is all blurry and it is not clear. I don’t see who these people in the picture are at all.

[MegaArgus1]

This picture is still no proof, it is all blurry and it is not clear. I don’t see who these people in the picture are at all.

Do you think you can recognize them?

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

all the serbs i ever met IRL were awesome

[Vojnik]

all the serbs i ever met IRL were awesome

I'm happy for u.

[Novi Pazar]

^ hoping for a anti-Serbian (bashing) comment?

[Vojnik]

^ hoping for a anti-Serbian (bashing) comment?


No. I really don't care. It was just a off topic by that guy. I'm sure people have met good Germans in the past too.....

[Novi Pazar]

This picture is still no proof, it is all blurry and it is not clear. I don’t see who these people in the picture are at all.

They are relying on old Austro-Hungarian propaganda. It’s sad, today we even see ‘international’ institutions quoting Austro-Hungarian Generals who followed Empires motto SERBS MUST DIE. Very dirty scam everyone is toying with including these pesky and sneaky Bulgars here.

[Vojnik]

Serbs have done some bad things in the past Novi Pazar. Move on and stop acting righteous. No one is good. Repent of your sins, and so should we. Lets move on and be real Christians.

[Vojnik]

Novi Pazar. Japan, Syria and Zimbabwe are Serbian Land. Ok, what ever. Move on now.

[Vojnik]

A mod needs to close this thread. Full of stupidity.

[Crn Volk]

A mod needs to close this thread. Full of stupidity.

No they shouldn't. My ancestors suffered at the hands of Serbs. Not Greeks, Bulgars or even Albanians, but Serbs.

[Vojnik]

Do you think you can recognize them?

Yeah i do. One was Michael Jackson, one Neil Armstrong and one was Slobodan Milosevic.

People can't see these days.......

[Vojnik]

No they shouldn't. My ancestors suffered at the hands of Serbs. Not Greeks, Bulgars or even Albanians, but Serbs.

The thread isn't getting anywhere. My ancestors had some stories too. What does it mean now to a Serb like Novi Pazar who thinks Serbs came from Mars?

[Novi Pazar]

No. I really don't care. It was just a off topic by that guy. I'm sure people have met good Germans in the past too.....

Serbs are not Germans, didn’t have a third Reich, never managed to conquer Europe.......I’m sure there are good Bulgars too?


Bulgars liked Germans in WW2

[Novi Pazar]

No they shouldn't. My ancestors suffered at the hands of Serbs. Not Greeks, Bulgars or even Albanians, but Serbs.

Disgruntled Bulgar! Sorry Serbia stopped Greater Bulgaria LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO.......

[Novi Pazar]

Serbs have done some bad things in the past Novi Pazar. Move on and stop acting righteous. No one is good. Repent of your sins, and so should we. Lets move on and be real Christians.

I know Serbs have done bad things, how were they to defend themselves? The minimal bad is highlighted but the majority bad committed by Bulgars, Turks, Shqiptars, Austro-Hungarians, Russia, English, French etc....was righteous for the good of majority?

Inverted reasoning smells of anti-Serbs (Shippy or a Bulgar)

[Crn Volk]

Disgruntled Bulgar! Sorry Serbia stopped Greater Bulgaria LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO.......

Independent Macedonia, Independent Bulgaria is a great outcome. As for Greater Serbia, look at the scoreboard, lol. Good luck with Kosovo, Krajina, Republika Srpska. Macedonia is gone forever for Serbs, ha ha ha.....

[Varda]

Independent Macedonia, Independent Bulgaria is a great outcome. As for Greater Serbia, look at the scoreboard, lol. Good luck with Kosovo, Krajina, Republika Srpska. Macedonia is gone forever for Serbs, ha ha ha.....

Do not lie bugarash, you wanna see Macedonia as southwestern Bulgarian province!


https://youtu.be/vOOtCMIoLEc

[Serbian Eagle]

Independent Macedonia, Independent Bulgaria is a great outcome. As for Greater Serbia, look at the scoreboard, lol. Good luck with Kosovo, Krajina, Republika Srpska. Macedonia is gone forever for Serbs, ha ha ha.....

Each your new comment is more meaningless than the previous one. But i'll give answers to you.


Good luck with Kosovo

1. Serbia didn't lost Kosovo and Metohija, nor will it lose it until it recognizes it. The average person with a normal IQ would understand that.


Krajina

2. Krajina, more than 250.000 Serbs were expelled by Croatian Armed Forces during operation "Storm", which goal was the ethnic cleansing of the Serb population. It is not the first time that Croats have done something like that to Croatian Serbs, it is well known what the Independent State of Croatia did to Serbs in the Second World War.


Republika Srpska

3. Republic of Srpska, what can I say except that I am proud of her. Without that entity, Serbs in that area would have gone through the same situation as Serbs in Krajina, they would have been ethnically cleansed and assimilated.


Macedonia

4. Well, don't be afraid. Serbia has no plans to invade North Macedonia. Nor have i promoted anything like that. Let me mention again, if Republic of Srpska didn't exist, the Serbian people in that area would end up as Serbs in Macedonia, they would be assimilated and deprived of their rights. Josip Broz Tito, you need to make monuments to that man all over Skopje. Because if it weren't for him, you wouldn't have a State nor a Church, nor would you be a "Macedonian". Serbs don't care so much about Macedonians, you provoked us with this nonsense that you are doing and with which you are tarnishing the name of our people. And then you complain that Serbs are attacking you.



Novi Pazar. Japan, Syria and Zimbabwe are Serbian Land. Ok, what ever. Move on now.

I don't know what did you try to earn with this reply, but that's okay. I pretend that I didn’t read this provocation.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

^ hoping for a anti-Serbian (bashing) comment?

lmao, i got a thumb down for saying "the serbians i have met have been nice to me".

someone must be very butthurt.

[pulstar]

lmao, i got a thumb down for saying "the serbians i have met have been nice to me".

someone must be very butthurt.

They figured out your game. You're a Serboman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbomans) :p

[Serbian Eagle]

lmao, i got a thumb down for saying "the serbians i have met have been nice to me".

someone must be very butthurt.

Thats because some Users here have illness called "Serbophobia".

These are the symptoms of Serbophobia: Suddenly, they start to hate everything that has to do with Serbs. Whatever happens to them, they blame the Serbs. That Ill Person hates Serbs but he also cannot live without them.. He writes bad comments on Serbian Youtube videos, but no one cares about him because he is irrelevant.

If you notice these symptoms in a person, please take him to the ambulance, immediately. Before he buys a $ 3 plastic pistol and pretends to kill Serbs, It's too late then..

[Varda]

They figured out your game. You're a Serboman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbomans) :p

Says anti-Serbian Yugo mongrel living in Vojvodina.

[pulstar]

Says anti-Serbian Yugo mongrel living in Vojvodina.

Never said a word against Serbians. I'm just anti-Bosnia/Croatia/Montenegro "Serbs".

[Varda]

Never said a word against Serbians. I'm just anti-Bosnia/Croatia/Montenegro "Serbs".

Autonomaš who dislake Serbs from BiH, Croatia and Montenegro which live in Vojvodina?

[pulstar]

Autonomaš who dislake Serbs from BiH, Croatia and Montenegro which live in Vojvodina?

Like I said, I don't have negative feelings for Serbia in general, if you exclude this particular government but that's another thing and we're not talking about it here. As for Serbs from Bosnia, Croatia, and Montenegro, I don't dislike them as a group, just the individuals who live in those countries but hate the majority of population of the countries they live in, for whatever the reasons are.

[Serbian Eagle]

Never said a word against Serbians. I'm just anti-Bosnia/Croatia/Montenegro "Serbs".

So according to this statement of yours, Serbs from Republika Srpska, Krajina and Montenegro are not real Serbs? I hate that differences. I don't know what else to tell you except that this is the worst thing a Serb can do. We are all one nation, when persons like you (and there are many of them) make differences between us, it weakens us. And when we are together, then we get stronger. It is appropriate for foreign forces to quarrel and separate Serbs, their proverb "Nedaj Boze da se Srbi sloze".

[pulstar]

So according to this statement of yours, Serbs from Republika Srpska, Krajina and Montenegro are not real Serbs? I hate that differences. I don't know what else to tell you except that this is the worst thing a Serb can do. We are all one nation, when persons like you (and there are many of them) make differences between us, it weakens us. And when we are together, then we get stronger. It is appropriate for foreign forces to quarrel and separate Serbs, their proverb "Nedaj Boze da se Srbi sloze".

Here, let me repeat:

Like I said, I don't have negative feelings for Serbia in general, if you exclude this particular government but that's another thing and we're not talking about it here. As for Serbs from Bosnia, Croatia, and Montenegro, I don't dislike them as a group, just the individuals who live in those countries but hate the majority of population of the countries they live in, for whatever the reasons are.

[Serbian Eagle]

just the individuals who live in those countries but hate the majority of population of the countries they live in, for whatever the reasons are.

They don't hate them, they just can't love them. And there are a lot of reasons why. If i write why, I would fill in this whole thread and do an off-topic, which is not correct. That's why I won't.

[Ford]

Never said a word against Serbians. I'm just anti-Bosnia/Croatia/Montenegro "Serbs".

What's the quotation marks for?

[pulstar]

They don't hate them, they just can't love them. And there are a lot of reasons why. If i write why, I would fill in this whole thread and do an off-topic, which is not correct. That's why I won't.

I know why. I also know Serbs don't celebrate crimes like they do, but if you live there then you can't complain because you can always leave to the place you are feeling better. Today is probably more easier than ever to settle in in the country you would like to live in.

[pulstar]

What's the quotation marks for?

I explained what I mean here:

Like I said, I don't have negative feelings for Serbia in general, if you exclude this particular government but that's another thing and we're not talking about it here. As for Serbs from Bosnia, Croatia, and Montenegro, I don't dislike them as a group, just the individuals who live in those countries but hate the majority of population of the countries they live in, for whatever the reasons are.

[Ford]

I explained what I mean here:

Yes, I saw that post. But I got the feeling you had something else in mind.

[pulstar]

Yes, I saw that post. But I got the feeling you had something else in mind.

Not sure what do you have in mind?

[Ford]

Not sure what do you have in mind?

That you don't consider those Serbs as Serbs.

[pulstar]

That you don't consider those Serbs as Serbs.

No, I think nationality is recent concept (officially 19th century, but probably sometimes earlier say a century or two), it mostly relies on romanticist feelings you have for the nationality you feel connected to, either by culture, traditions, or the language you use. Its not written in stone.

[Dušan]

I know why. I also know Serbs don't celebrate crimes like they do, but if you live there then you can't complain because you can always leave to the place you are feeling better. Today is probably more easier than ever to settle in in the country you would like to live in.

Yes, you can always leave Serbia, because we dont want Croatian-Bulgarian mongrels in Serbia.

[Ford]

No, I think nationality is recent concept (officially 19th century, but probably sometimes earlier say a century or two), it mostly relies on romanticist feelings you have for the nationality you feel connected to, either by culture, traditions, or the language you use. Its not written in stone.

I agree with this. Nation states were basically born from Romanticism to put it very simple.

[pulstar]

Yes, you can always leave Serbia, because we dont want Croatian-Bulgarian mongrels in Serbia.

I don't feel bad in Serbia. Thanks for asking. Also, I never said I got anything to do with Bulgaria you just asssumed that.