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Novi Pazar
07-29-2012, 02:59 AM
Readers, when l read propaganda works from the Bulgarian side, it brings shivers up my spine, for l know the dirty and evil game they played. It amazes me today people will propagate lies that Serbs forced name changes, which is FALSE. Its also mind blowing that BULGARS even planted STONE INSCRIPTIONS to sell the lie to the world that Macedonians are Bulgars, but this is looked aside......

Here l present you the TRUTH:

Primary Documents - Statement by the League of Neutral Countries on Bulgaria's Occupation of Serbia, 1917

Serbian infantrymen Reproduced below is the text of a statement released by the Holland Section of the League of Neutral Countries in 1917. Dealing with the mistreatment of Serbians by Bulgarian forces following the latter's entry into Serbia, the statement details a catalogue of atrocities conducted by the Bulgars, both officially and otherwise.

Click here to read the statement issued by the Bulgarian Peace Delegation to the 1919 Paris Peace Conference on the subject.
Report from the Holland Section of the "League of Neutral Countries," 1917 by Dr. Niermeijer

Deportations from Serbia began with the driving forth of 5,000 men, women, and children by the Austrians at the time of the occupation of Belgrade. Because of bad housing and insufficient food one-half of these unfortunates succumbed to typhoid fever in less than a year.

The Bulgarians made their first use of deportations in the countries that had been given to Serbia by the peace of Bucharest in 1913, notably in Southern Serbia and a part of Macedonia. Thus they deported into Bulgaria almost all the Serbian families of Prizren and Prishtina; from Prilep, 170; from Krushevo, 70.

At the end of 1915 an order was given to assemble and conduct away all the male population between the ages of 15 and 70 years from the districts of Veles, Poretch, and Prilep, where already torrents of blood had been shed.

The Bulgarian Bishop of Kitchevo, who had just been appointed, protested. He wrote to King Ferdinand that such a measure would demonstrate to the whole world that Macedonia sympathized with Serbia and not with the Bulgarians.

This argument may have had some effect; at any rate, the King ordered that the deportations should cease, although the men might already be on the road. However, 500 notables and their families were selected and interned in the environs of Sofia. Their property was immediately confiscated by the Bulgarian Government and most of their houses were rented to Mohammedans.

When the Rumanians declared war the deportations were continued in still greater numbers, both by the Austrians and by the Bulgars, reaching their maximum after the capture of Monastir.

The victims always included men, women, and children, but especially men of 17 to 70 years. A special method was applied to boys. In May, 1916, the reopening of the schools was announced, and the enrolment lists were accessible. The Austro-Hungarian authorities had the lists copied, and the deportations were based on these.

Not less than nine internment camps for Serbs were established in Austria-Hungary, three of the principal ones being situated in the Danube marshes, where the health conditions are extremely bad; the most distant are the camps of Heinrichsgrils in Bohemia and Braunau in Upper Austria, near the German frontier.

In that at Braunau there are not less than 35,000 Serbians; it is quite correct, therefore, to speak of deportations en masse. Among these interned prisoners one finds high officials of the Serbian Government, members of the Council of State, Deputies, besides physicians, lawyers, merchants, etc.

The sanitary conditions are very bad in these places, where the Serbs are obliged to live in great wooden barracks that are penetrated by wind and rain; they are ill-fed, and are compelled to sleep upon straw on the ground, where the children especially are dying in great numbers. At Braunau there was an epidemic of typhus.

Like the Austrians and Hungarians, the Bulgars have been making deportations since July 1916, from all the Serbian territory they occupy. The northern part of the country is subject to Bulgarian rule. The families deported by the Bulgarians alone in the last six months of 1916 are estimated at 10,000.

The Bulgarians are inhumane in their treatment of prisoners. They do not permit these unfortunates to prepare themselves, or to take away from their homes even the most indispensable articles, as the Germans do in Belgium. At Nish prominent persons were made prisoner in the streets without permitting them to say good-by to their families.

The largest Serbian internment camp in Bulgaria is situated in a swampy plain near Sofia, where the families are housed in miserable sheds, and where they are dying of cold, hunger, and wretched sanitary conditions. Thus without any military necessity a part of the Serbian population has been systematically killed.

What is the object of such actions? The answer will be found in what follows.

It has long been known that the Museum of Belgrade was pillaged immediately after the Austrian occupation. The same thing has happened to the Ethnographical Museum, which contained objects of high value. Not a single souvenir of the history or the life of the nation has been left there.

The Bulgars have gone still further; they have deported into Bulgaria all the priests of the Serbian Church. The Bulgarian Synod has sent priests from Bulgaria and subjected all the occupied country to the Bulgarian Exarchate, which was obtained by force from the Sultan in 1871, but which the other Orthodox Greek Churches regard as schismatic.

All the Serbian churches and convents have been pillaged. All the inscriptions recording the foundation of these institutions by Serbian Princes have been broken with axes. The famous convents of Ravanitza and Manassia have suffered most, though they date from the thirteenth century and had been respected even by the Turks.

Furthermore, whatever the Bulgars have found written in the Serbian language they have destroyed absolutely. With this object they have made house-to-house search, and have confiscated all the books and manuscripts, even those of the churches, courts, and archives. All these were burned - until the Minister of Commerce at Sofia ordered all papers to be sent to the national printing office, stating that they would make good material for manufacturing paper.

Immediately after occupation the Bulgarian authorities compelled the Serbs, whose family names usually end in "itch," to change that termination to "off," like those of Bulgarian families.

Naturally, it was also at Belgrade that the Serbian teachers were interned; they were replaced by Bulgarians and the Bulgarian language was made compulsory. The children were compelled to learn the popular Bulgarian songs and heard the war explained from the Bulgar viewpoint; they were given to. understand that henceforth they were Bulgarians.

A great number of reading rooms were opened, whose names recall Bulgarian patriots, and through these centres the authorities are spreading every sort of writing in favour of Bulgarian chauvinism. Thus they are trying to kill the spirit of the Serbian people.

As long ago as October 1916, Prime Minister Pas**tch formulated a protest in the name of the Serbian Government against the recruiting of Serbs by the Bulgars. Since then the Serbian Government has received many Bulgarian newspapers that speak openly of such recruiting.

These publications refer to Macedonia, but from other sources it is learned that compulsory recruiting has also been introduced into Old Serbia, so that thousands of Serbs have been forced to fight in the Bulgarian army against their own country.

We do not know whether Bulgaria has denied this accusation, which is extremely grave.

In Macedonia the Bulgars began immediately after their arrival to put to death the authorities of cities and towns. These murders reached extreme proportions in the three districts of Macedonia which we have mentioned in connection with deportations.

The deported victims were generally the objects of the greatest cruelty. Some were obliged to make the journey on foot, poorly clad, without shoes, in the terrible cold; they were given only half a loaf of bread a week. The Bulgarian soldiers drove them onward with blows from rifle stocks, like cattle; many died on the way.

The Austrian soldiers acted with the same brutality, driving children with the bayonet, so that many had to be taken to the hospital at Szegedin; women about to become mothers were forced to march with the rest.

Many priests were killed by the Bulgarian troops. By a refinement of cruelty the Serbs who fled are prevented from corresponding with their families who remained behind.

We have believed in these circumstances that it was our duty to cite the facts more in detail than ordinarily. Before the Austro-Hungarian and Bulgarian Governments can clear themselves of the odium imposed by this simple enumeration of facts, they will have to try to draw up a denial of its truth.

We believe that such a denial will be very difficult to formulate.

The mass of documents placed at our disposal has left a profound impression of an attempt to achieve the complete ruin of a free nation by means the most brutal and cruel.

Among all the horrors of war practiced en masse against an entire nation, the worst certainly is the wholesale murder of the Armenians by the Turks under the indifferent or approving eye of the Germans.

The systematic destruction of the Serbian Nation is a pendant to the enslavement of Belgium. The latter, perhaps, has suffered more in certain regards, because it is nearer to one of the fronts, but in other respects there is something still more grave in the treatment inflicted upon the Serbians; and the civilized world has known less about it.

Le Tenips of Paris has expressed a desire to see the neutral Governments realize that they also have signed the international conventions which have been violated, adding that now is the moment to protest, since they have neglected thus far to do so.

We also have formerly expressed the same hope, but our disillusionment has been too great; we will not return to that prayer again.

Happily the neutrals that have the power to do so are going to oppose themselves to these crimes, abandoning their neutrality. The only thing we can do is to take care that, later, no one can say that from Holland no voice was raised against such barbarities.

Permanent Committee of the League of Neutral Countries:
NIERMEIJER, President
DE LA FAILLE, Home Secretary
DIEPENBROCK, Foreign Secretary

Source: Source Records of the Great War, Vol. IV, ed. Charles F. Horne, National Alumni 1923

http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/serbia_neutralleague.htm

Novi Pazar
07-29-2012, 09:57 AM
Bulgars or anyone please comment, no replies other than me, c'mon, if it was a reversal, Serbs killing Bulgars, the thread would be a popular one, but its bulgars doing evils, so no reply, WHY?

PS Must be the TRUTH ;)

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 01:15 PM
Lies lies and lies. Obviouslly that trash came after the war and it was written by the winner for demonizing the country that lost the war.
In the end you lost the territories of Macedonia you STOLE from us, because they were never yours. If the Macedonians were "southern Serboi" dear Novi why the Macedonians in Bulgaria till this day identify as Bulgarian? Why the number of the Macedonians in Bulgaria is the groundbreaking 1500 with over 1000 newcomers from Macedonia and the other 500 - extended families of the OMO Ilinden activists? Care to stop and think with you "brain"? I guess not. You only read such bulshits to justify how righteous the Serboi were but they were never "the chosen people". That roles taken.

Midori
07-29-2012, 01:29 PM
why the Macedonians in Bulgaria till this day identify as Bulgarian?

Cause they've been forced to do so

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Hahaha. By who? You could ve identify ethnically in our servey via internet (as I did) yet no one chose to identify as Macedonian.
However lets see how "supressed" the Macedonians in Bulgaria are:
Even our president is a "Macedonian". Our exprime minister is "Macedonian". Our ex chief prosecutor was "Macedonian". Thats how repressed the Macedonians are. So repressed that they practically rule Bulgaria. Tnx for your great "input". It was a great laugh as always :).

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 02:58 PM
What does this have to do with Macedonia?

and yeah,Bulgaria occupied it's own land:)

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 04:02 PM
I am always keep telling to people who study history,that the number one enemy of Bulgaria was never Greece....that was Serbia.
These 2 nations are the no1 contenders of the title of the strongest South Slav nations.

If EU breaks apart and anarchy reigns again in Europe,i woulldn't be suprised if Serbs annexed what you pretty much call FYROM.

It will be a good way to suppress their appetite after loss of Kosovo.


This is why there is still on the table this silent controversy of whether Fyromians are Bulgarians or Serbs.
It is more silent than in the past,but there is still up to date.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 04:11 PM
Bulgars or anyone please comment, no replies other than me, c'mon, if it was a reversal, Serbs killing Bulgars, the thread would be a popular one, but its bulgars doing evils, so no reply, WHY?

PS Must be the TRUTH ;)

There are no replies because this is simply bullshit. Bulgarians were never been so brutal like Serbs were. Everybody knows your dirty serbian games.

You inspired me to make another new thread, Novi Pazar, good work.

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 04:13 PM
I dont see the Serboi occupying Macedonia. Bulgaria, Greece, Albania would not allow it.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 04:16 PM
I dont see the Serboi occupying Macedonia. Bulgaria, Greece, Albania would not allow it.

The World will not allow it.

Midori
07-29-2012, 04:17 PM
I dont see the Serboi occupying Macedonia. Bulgaria, Greece, Albania would not allow it.

Why Greece?

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 04:24 PM
For the balance of powers I think it would be involved in future conflict.

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 04:58 PM
Greece already owns key economic sectors of Fyrom.
Gruevski may act like a patriot,but he sold everything to us...from energy to banks.
All this name dispute game is silently encouraged by the US so there is some competition in the air...

Albanian economy is heavily dependent on Greek one...more than 50% of Albanian FDI comes from Greece.

Greek investments are quite important in Bulgaria and Serbia too.


I see no reason for Greece to attack any country to its North.
Neither its politicians nor its people intend to do so.

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 05:00 PM
Bulgarians also dont intend any attack. Its just that if Serboi try to occupy Macedonia and the MACEDONIANS ARE AGAINST IT, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania would get involved.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Bulgarians also dont intend any attack. Its just that if Serboi try to occupy Macedonia and the MACEDONIANS ARE AGAINST IT, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania would get involved.

If all Macedonians are like Pigeon then forget for any attack, they will welcome Serbs with bread and salt. :coffee:

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Well this is what i told you.


Greece has no reason to attack none to its northern boarders.


When Milosevic visited Greece right after the Yugoslav war,he proposed to the Greek prime minister Mitsotakis,to attack to Fyrom so they could easily own and divide in between them this country as a cake.


We did not attack back then when it was a good time,do you think we are going to do it now that we are in financial turmoil?

LOL



And btw,unless we talk about Greece and Turkey,no country in the Balkans has an army at all.

I don't see how Albania,Bulgaria and Serbia might attack.

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 05:14 PM
You think Greece would just watch if Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania are involved in Macedonia? Uou, I dont think so. As I said this situation is totally unprobable, Serboi wouldnt dare to try anything in Macedonia. Bulgarians would be involved if the Macedonians are against "unification". Who do you think they ll turn to? Albania wouldnt allow almost 1 million Albanians to join Serbia.

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 05:15 PM
If all Macedonians are like Pigeon then forget for any attack, they will welcome Serbs with bread and salt. :coffee:
Well if they want to join Serbia, we should let them. I dont see how it will concern us if its their will.

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 05:19 PM
You think Greece would just watch if Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania are involved in Macedonia? Uou, I dont think so. As I said this situation is totally unprobable, Serboi wouldnt dare to try anything in Macedonia. Bulgarians would be involved if the Macedonians are against "unification". Who do you think they ll turn to? Albania wouldnt allow almost 1 million Albanians to join Serbia.

Bulgaria and Albania have no army at all.


LOL


And yes,Greece would never attack unless Greek politicians received this kind of orders from mother America.


Bulgaria is passing the phase that Greece did during 50-60s.
In a few years,all those Bulgarians that are pro-EU and pro-American,will understand what these unions are about.

Gospodine
07-29-2012, 05:26 PM
And btw,unless we talk about Greece and Turkey,no country in the Balkans has an army at all.

Serbia is the largest exporter of military hardware in the Balkans. Sells 500 million worth of arms annually.

They're nowhere the position they were in, circa 1991 with the majority share of the JNA-forces, but they're still relatively potent compared to pretty much every other South Slavic country, which like you said has no army.

They also have a strong tradition of guerrilla warfare.
There's a reason Stalin stopped at Hungary: Serbian Partisans.

Secondly, Greece's military power is somewhat overrated. You guys have hardware, but not enough personnel, training and spare parts to make them effective in a real war.
Greece also lacks an indigenous military industry and outsources pretty much everything.

Turkey is the only military power on the Balkans that would be able to invade another country and sustain occupation for months.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 05:30 PM
Bulgaria is with the biggest South Slavic army. :coffee:

Gospodine
07-29-2012, 05:36 PM
We'd all get wiped off the map by Turkey anyway. There's 40 NATO nuclear bombs at Incirlik designated for Turkish use.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 05:38 PM
We'd all get wiped off the map by Turkey anyway. There's 40 NATO nuclear bombs at Incirlik designated for Turkish use.

She can, but then she will be fucked up by Russia (and not only).

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 05:44 PM
Serbia is the largest exporter of military hardware in the Balkans. Sells 500 million worth of arms annually.

They're nowhere the position they were in, circa 1991 with the majority share of the JNA-forces, but they're still relatively potent compared to pretty much every other South Slavic country, which like you said has no army.

They also have a strong tradition of guerrilla warfare.
There's a reason Stalin stopped at Hungary: Serbian Partisans.

Secondly, Greece's military power is somewhat overrated. You guys have hardware, but not enough personnel, training and spare parts to make them effective in a real war.
Greece also lacks an indigenous military industry and outsources pretty much everything.

Turkey is the only military power on the Balkans that would be able to invade another country and sustain occupation for months.




Greece after 80's and Socialist government of Papandreou,ruined all of its industry,military or not.

Turkey and Serbia are the only countries that made aggressive movements towards their neighbours after WWII.


Serbia took a good lesson and is now humiliated.
Turkey fights for its unity day by day at the areas around Diyarbakir.


As for the Serbian military superpower...i will kindly laugh.



Serbia is becoming a beggar to join the EU.
There are unemployment rates similar to Greece and Spain,and that not being part of the EU.

Serbia is a demon for the US,Germany.

Only Russia somehow supports Serbia,and if Serbia manages to join the EU,it would be obsolete to Russia.


There is no doubt that Serbs are brave,mad and always strong when it comes to guerilla warfare...this is why Germany destroyed Yugoslavia.
All the German officials of the 90s had ancestors who lost their lives durning the Balkan Campaign during WWII.



I am planning a visit to Serbia,but not anytime soon.
I want to visit Northern Albania firstly.

When i make my trip i'll edit a detailed text about what the situation in Serbia is.

Gospodine
07-29-2012, 05:48 PM
She can, but then she will be fucked up by Russia (and not only).

And incur the wrath of NATO? Don't think so. They may step in on the Iranian issue if the Israel/US ever do get around to bombing Iran, because they can't afford to give up control of the Caspian, but I doubt they'd give two shits about the Balkans.
They showed their unwillingness in the 1990's.

Russia to me is also overrated.

It took them forever to get mobilized in Georgia/South Ossetia in 2008.

I mean the Georgians don't even have an airforce, and they managed to shoot down 9 Russian planes.

Once Russia did mobilize fully, they destroyed Georgia's army but still... in a real-war, those precious first days would have cost them thousands and thousand of lives against a real adversary.

Russia is considered by most analysts as lagging behind China and a quite out-dated.

Not to mention, not having any real aircraft carriers or foreign bases to rely on, they can't project their power beyond their borders with the exception of nuclear missiles; which they'll never use.

They can barely feed their own army, let alone worry about Serbs or Bulgarians.

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 06:00 PM
Ok.


Serbia is a military superpower and Greece does not have people for its army.

Serbia is near to 7 million and has no mandatory military service at all.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Gospodine
07-29-2012, 06:16 PM
Where was I talking about Serbia in my last post for god's sake?

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 06:23 PM
I am always keep telling to people who study history,that the number one enemy of Bulgaria was never Greece....that was Serbia.
These 2 nations are the no1 contenders of the title of the strongest South Slav nations.

If EU breaks apart and anarchy reigns again in Europe,i woulldn't be suprised if Serbs annexed what you pretty much call FYROM.

It will be a good way to suppress their appetite after loss of Kosovo.


This is why there is still on the table this silent controversy of whether Fyromians are Bulgarians or Serbs.
It is more silent than in the past,but there is still up to date.

Bulgaria is the strongest south slavic state,far ahead from Serbia.
And it has the potential to become the strongest balkan country due to the current deterioration of Greece.

Fyromians would have remained under Serbia in the 90's...most of them wanted to remain under Yugoslavia...luckily we had a tricky referendum question.

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 06:32 PM
Bulgaria is the strongest south slavic state,far ahead from Serbia.
And it has the potential to become the strongest balkan country due to the current deterioration of Greece.

Fyromians would have remained under Serbia in the 90's...most of them wanted to remain under Yugoslavia...luckily we had a tricky referendum question.



:dielaughing::dielaughing::dielaughing::dielaughin g::dielaughing::dielaughing:

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 06:35 PM
:dielaughing::dielaughing::dielaughing::dielaughin g::dielaughing::dielaughing:

Dude,Greece is a IMF,EU,World Bank slave at least till 2020.
You will have to push through austerity measures at least till then...
The current greek army is a product of the greek economy,and that same economy is currently leaving/survining on the edge.

As for Serbia,I dont even have to explain why...

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 06:40 PM
Dude,Greece is a IMF,EU,World Bank slave at least till 2020.
You will have to push through austerity measures at least till then...

As for Serbia,I dont even have to explain why...

Greece is famous for being a bankrupt state,while Bulgaria is famous for exporting prostitutes.

Anyway,Bulgaria has an American government running it and has a small industry due to Chinese salaries.
If salaries rise up all entrepreneurs will leave your country.
There is bulgarian mafia running a lot of important sectors and your PM is an ex-cop.

I don't see how Bulgaria has such a bright future.


Not to mention the fact that your nation dies day by day when it comes to demographics.


I write everything in a friendly manner.
Don't assume that i hate Bulgaria on anything.

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 06:47 PM
Greece is famous for being a bankrupt state,while Bulgaria is famous for exporting prostitutes.

Anyway,Bulgaria has an American government running it and has a small industry due to Chinese salaries.
If salaries rise up all entrepreneurs will leave your country.
There is bulgarian mafia running a lot of important things and your PM is an ex-cop.

I don't see how Bulgaria has such a bright future.


Not to mention the fact that your nation dies day by day when it comes to demographics.

I write everything in a friendly manner.
Don't assume that i hate Bulgaria on anything.

Yeah,EU helped us to get rid of the gypsie prostitutes from our streets:thumb001:

4 million people left Greece during the 1960's and 1970's.
Bulgaria is in that phase in terms of emmigration.
When the economy turns into a middle-level income then many of those emmigrants will return...just like greeks returned when the greek economy was in a good shape.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOW GREEKS STARTED LEAVING GREECE AGAIN!

and they wont be returning for a second time...

Greece is dying my friend.
You survive due to loans given to you by international creditors.
Just look who is presented as the beggar of Europe...who is the biggest problem of Europe,who lost all credibilaty.

Bulgaria has lower salaries but it olso has a lower cost of living.
Bulgaria has the second lowest debt rate in Europe.
Before and even in the crisis it has one of the highest GDP growths...It's salaries are growing with the same ratio as the GDP.

While Greece will remain a slave many years to come...pushing through austerity measures demanded by foreign creditors.

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 06:56 PM
I will only agree on the fact that Bulgaria is in the phase that Greece was 50 years ago.
People left Greece back then,after a destructive civil war was backed up by the US and the Brits.
All those people that left Greece back then,none of them returned back.
They all live in USA and Australia and a few in Germany.

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 07:00 PM
I will only agree on the fact that Bulgaria is in the phase that Greece was 50 years ago.
People left Greece back then,after a destructive civil war was backed up by the US and the Brits.
All those people that left Greece back then,none of them returned back.
The all live in USA and Australia and a few in Germany.

While Bulgaria was under 50 year old iron curtain and economic bankruptcy and downfall in the 90's...Greece was sucking in EU money and improving it's economy...
Now you are suffering under a endless economic crisis while we are rising.;)

Many returned,I know how things are in Greece and you know and I know that many returned-most of them remained but alot of them came back in Greece.

Olso Bulgaria's advantage is that 90% of it's diaspora is in Europe!:thumbs up

AkisGreece
07-29-2012, 07:04 PM
While Bulgaria was under 50 year old iron curtain and economic bankruptcy and downfall in the 90's...Greece was sucking in EU money and improving it's economy...
Now you are suffering under a endless economic crisis while we are rising.;)

Many returned,I know how things are in Greece and you know and I know that many returned-most of them remained but alot of them came back in Greece.

Olso Bulgaria's advantage is that 90% of it's diaspora is in Europe!:thumbs up

Bulgaria has a bright future and will be the stronghold of the Balkans.
I think we can agree now,since you know better than me even about things that happening in Greece itself.

It is obvious that it was my fault to participate in this conversation.

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 07:08 PM
Bulgaria has a bright future and will be the stronghold of the Balkans.
I think we can agree now,since you know better than me even about things that happening in Greece itself.

It is obvious that it was my fault to participate in this conversation.

Greece is awaiting another 11.5 billion euro in budget cuts for the period of 2013/2014...by then your standard of living will probabaly fall under the one of Bulgaria...sorry man,I have many things attaching me to Greece....I even dated a greek girl from Kavala...and you can see that all of my comments on Greece here are positive but Im just being real...you are in deep shit.

Im just debating with the facts...
Btw just look at the unemployment rate in Bulgaria and Greece 10% vs 25%!-probably to reach 30% by the end of the year...

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 07:53 PM
I hope everything would be fine in Greece! I think it will be. It would be better if we have rich and stable neighbour. Lets hope Bulgaria, Romania, Greece are rising. I hope all of the Balkans improve in the following years. I wont worry about Greece: they have always been united as a nation, social solidarity has always been "in fashion" there and they ll survive. Plus the Greeks personaly are not poor, the state is.

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 08:00 PM
I hope everything would be fine in Greece! I think it will be. It would be better if we have rich and stable neighbour. Lets hope Bulgaria, Romania, Greece are rising. I hope all of the Balkans improve in the following years. I wont worry about Greece: they have always been united as a nation, social solidarity has always been "in fashion" there and they ll survive. Plus the Greeks personaly are not poor, the state is.

Why would it be better?
For Bulgaria is the best if everyone around her are unstable,thats usualy how regional powers are born...

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 08:05 PM
Because thats 19th century mentality for me. If at least Greece and Romania are getting richer that would make the Bulgarians richer too. The Germans and the french discovered it 60 years ago. I just want the Balkans to stop being the shithole of Europe and turn into Skandinavia. Do you know any prosperious country that borders only bankrut states especially when they are in a quasi federation?

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 08:08 PM
Because thats 19th century mentality for me. If at least Greece and Romania are getting richer that would make the Bulgarians richer too. The Germans and the french discovered it 60 years ago. I just want the Balkans to stop being the shithole of Europe and turn into Skandinavia. Do you know any prosperious country that borders only bankrut states especially when they are in a quasi federation?

And how did it make us richer when Greece was at the top of it's economic boom?

And were greeks poor in the days when people from Albania,Macedonia and Bulgaria were waiting in line for a hot meal on the streets?

You arent making any sence!

Im talking about reality here not mentality.
You live in one of the hardest regions in the world and for sure in Europe...you step on everyone or you get stepped on!

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 08:14 PM
It makes sense. See how Finland helps Estonia. Its about time we suck it up and live together and prosper together: at least within EU.

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 08:17 PM
It makes sense. See how Finland helps Estonia. Its about time we suck it up and live together and prosper together: at least within EU.

Keep forgetting that this ain't freaking Scandinavia eh?

Archduke
07-29-2012, 08:17 PM
It makes sense. See how Finland helps Estonia. Its about time we suck it up and live together and prosper together: at least within EU.

Виж, ние живеем на Балканите, такива взаимоoтношения между България и съседите й са невъзможни. :thumb001:

~Nik~
07-29-2012, 08:19 PM
I am always keep telling to people who study history,that the number one enemy of Bulgaria was never Greece....that was Serbia.
These 2 nations are the no1 contenders of the title of the strongest South Slav nations.

If EU breaks apart and anarchy reigns again in Europe,i woulldn't be suprised if Serbs annexed what you pretty much call FYROM.

It will be a good way to suppress their appetite after loss of Kosovo.


This is why there is still on the table this silent controversy of whether Fyromians are Bulgarians or Serbs.
It is more silent than in the past,but there is still up to date.

Why wasting time and resources maintaining Macedonia when we could just simply retake Kosovo and expell Albanian immigrants of the last century and hang by the balls the sons of terrorists from KLA that reigns there as pachas today ?

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 08:20 PM
Why wasting time and resources maintaining Macedonia when we could just simply retake Kosovo and expell Albanian immigrants of the last century and hang by the balls the sons of terrorists from KLA that reigns there as pachas today ?

And then you woke up...

ioan assen
07-29-2012, 08:24 PM
Виж, ние живеем на Балканите, такива взаимоoтношения между България и съседите й са невъзможни. :thumb001:

да се надяваме, че не сте прави иначе винаги ще е зле...

Bugarash
07-29-2012, 08:25 PM
The current situation suits Bulgaria the best

We have a Serbia that has never been weaker since it's indipendence from the ottomans...and still sinking even further.
We have a Greece facing a economic crisis unseen since the great depression.
We have the second,after Bosnia most unstable in terms of everything country in Europe in the face of Macedonia.
And we have a cool/hot Romania.

In the same time we have Bulgaria which is doing great-as great as it can be in the conditions reflected by the ongoing european crisis....and with a great base for further improvment.

~Nik~
07-29-2012, 08:28 PM
And then you woke up...

You're right, now I'll leave you to your tactical economic calculations, I'm tired today.

Archduke
07-29-2012, 08:36 PM
да се надяваме, че не сте прави иначе винаги ще е зле...

И аз се надявам, но щом до сега нищо не се е променило, не вярвам занапред да се промени.

Novi Pazar
07-29-2012, 11:01 PM
I see the Bulgars couldn't deny my post. Just blindly saying its BS is not good enough LMAO

ioan assen
07-30-2012, 05:21 AM
We deny it. Just you chose to ignore it. But judging by your posts you live in Ignorance land so othing new here!

Novi Pazar
07-30-2012, 07:12 AM
^ Sure whatever you say, please re-read and learn:

"Immediately after occupation the Bulgarian authorities compelled the Serbs, whose family names usually end in "itch," to change that termination to "off," like those of Bulgarian families."

ioan assen
07-30-2012, 08:04 AM
Well first you switched those to -ich in Eastern Serbia just like you did in Macedonia. Here we have it again: the thief shouts catch the thief!

Novi Pazar
07-30-2012, 08:26 AM
^ I made my point now its some silly (Childish) responses l'm getting. I think the mods should close this topic!

Archduke
07-30-2012, 11:21 AM
^ Sure whatever you say, please re-read and learn:

"Immediately after occupation the Bulgarian authorities compelled the Serbs, whose family names usually end in "itch," to change that termination to "off," like those of Bulgarian families."

I don't see why you deny what Henri Pozzi saw in Macedonia. Your sources are useless. Who saw such things in Eastern Serbia? When was that (date and year)?

Please clarify.

morski
07-30-2012, 11:26 AM
I don't see why you deny what Henri Pozzi saw in Macedonia. Your sources are useless. Who saw such things in Eastern Serbia? When was that (date and year)?

Please clarify.

Serbs are notorious liars and forgerers.:)

One of the funniest moments in their history is the manifesto with which their king mobilized the army in 1885. He told them they were going to fight the Turks... next thing they knew they were fighting Bulgarians...

Gospodine
07-30-2012, 11:29 AM
Oh god, is this still going guys?

The Balkans would be a little more stable if Serbia and Bulgaria stopped trying to claim other countries.

Methmatician
07-30-2012, 11:30 AM
The Balkans would be a little more stable if Serbia and Bulgaria stopped trying to claim other countries.

Add Croatia to that list.

morski
07-30-2012, 11:32 AM
Oh god, is this still going guys?

The Balkans would be a little more stable if Serbia stopped trying to claim other countries.

Couldn't agree more.:thumb001: