Turkish serbia (macedonia)

[Novi Pazar]

Before the Ottomans took the Bulgars and their Exarchos under their wings, Vardar Macedonia was simply known as TURKISH SERBIA, check this out:

The map drawn by the Italian general Giac. Gastaldia in 1566, Serbia, in addition to Kosovo, included the area around Skopje. According to maps by V.Coronellia, official geographer of Venice, dating from 1692, Skopje is described as "metropoli della Servia." On seventeenth-century French maps, Serbia includes, apart from my nick name (Novi Pazar) and Prizren, the area around Skopje. In the atlas of 1696 by von Saunson, Serbia includes Skopje and Ovche Polje. According to the maps of Joh. Bapt. Homann, which date from the first half of the eighteenth century, Serbia includes the districts of Skopje, Kratovo and Chustendil, while the map of 1805 by Sava Tekelija shows Serbia as including Prizren, Prishtina, Vuchitrn, Skopje, Kratovo, Chustendil and Pirot.

Now regarding maps of Turkish serbia. It was well known in the districts south of the border of liberated Serbia as "Turkish Serbia". The appellation Macedonia was confined to the area of Salonica. On von Stieler's map and in his pocket atlas of 1832, the frontiers of liberated Serbia are indicated, while a large area south of them, including even Sofia and Ihtiman, is designated as "Turkish Serbia." On H.Kiepert's map, dated 1853, the name Macedonia is given to the district around Salonica. The same applies to the Map of European Turkey revised by H.Berghaus and F. Stulpnagel in 1856. In all the editions of von stieler's atlas from 1850 on, the name 'Macedonia' is given to the region approximately corresponding to the modern vilayet of Salonica. The name 'Turkish Serbia' disappeared from the later editions of von Stieler's atlas, and the region between Macedonia proper and the borders of Serbia [i.e., of serbia before the Battle of Kumanovo in 1912] remains even today without a definite name. Occasionally this region appeared under the old Turkish administrative designation 'Rumeli' before this fell out of use and the entire area was left without a name.

[Novi Pazar]

Will these old maps be scoffed at from Bulgars, who had nothing to do with Turkish Serbia pre 1850. This region Vardar Macedonia was simply known as SERBIA:


H. Kiepert

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~24772~950036:Das-Osmanische-Europa-oder-die-Euro

Homann, Johann Baptist,

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3620~430034:-Charte-von-Teutschland--Charte-von

Stieler, Adolf

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~2398~230014:-Composite-of--Das-Mittellandische-

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~2397~230013:Das-Mittellandische-Meer-Und-Nord-A

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~29807~1140535:Des-Osmanischen-Reichs,-europaeisch

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~2445~240021:Die-Europaische-Turkei-Im-Maassstab

[Novi Pazar]

COMMENTS?

[Methmatician]

COMMENTS?

You have a lot of time on your hands. Do you study, or work?

[Novi Pazar]

Structural Engineer ;)

[Methmatician]

Structural Engineer ;)

Ah, smart man. :thumb001:

[Archduke]

How can this land be "Serbia", since Macedonia was about 450 years in the Bulgarian empire and only 25 years in the "Serbian empire".

[Novi Pazar]

I'll be honest, l have 200 + sources available to me, taken me years to gather regarding the Southern Balkans in which Serbs had settled and played a major role. Hint, most of my sources arn't post 1990, they are very old and found in state libraries and universites.

PS This is my hobby.

[Novi Pazar]

Armani, people do not know that Serbian influence in Macedonia was much longer than a Bulgarian *POLITICAL* empires. Have you ever heard of SULTANA MARIA?

PS I will slowly get around to them, it will take time and l don't want to flood this forum!

[Archduke]

I'll be honest, l have 200 + sources available to me, taken me years to gather regarding the Southern Balkans in which Serbs had settled and played a major role. Hint, most of my sources arn't post 1990, they are very old and found in state libraries and universites.

PS This is my hobby.

What? The first Serbian country was established 1 century after Bulgaria. There were Serbs only in the most western parts of today's Serbia, the other parts it was Bulgaria. Even your capital Belgrade was founded by Bulgarians. In the medieval times Serbia was only in Bosnia and Dalmatia.

[Archduke]

Armani, people do not know that Serbian influence in Macedonia was much longer than a Bulgarian *POLITICAL* empires. Have you ever heard of SULTANA MARIA?

PS I will slowly get around to them, it will take time and l don't want to flood this forum!

You have ethnic maps, book which prove the Serbian atrocities in Macedonia, the language of today's Macedonians, their culture.

Everything says Bulgaria and Bulgaria.

What do you need more? You Serbs already have two fake countries (Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro), why do you mess up with Macedonia? You Serbs are very arrogant people.

[Methmatician]

You Serbs already have two fake countries (Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro)

Hey whoa. What did Bosnia ever do to Bulgarians?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3s2yugpFJ1qfve5r.gif

[morski]

Hey whoa. What did Bosnia ever do to Bulgarians?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3s2yugpFJ1qfve5r.gif

He meant to say Republika Srpska.

[Archduke]

Hey whoa. What did Bosnia ever do to Bulgarians?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3s2yugpFJ1qfve5r.gif

I mean Republika Srpska.

[Novi Pazar]

Armani, these books are post Exarchate influence CAN YOU FIND ME ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS MACEDONIA IS BULGARIAN PRIOR TO 1860, HINT:

JORDAN IVANOV! He only found a FEW QUOTES in which the name Bulgaria was used in Southern Serbia (Macedonia) prior to the Exarchists!

PS Good luck :)

[Methmatician]

Nothing. Just Serbs claim that Bosnians are Muslim Serbs, and i really prefer Serbs to claim Bosnia than our holy land Macedonia. :)

hArLrf3IhzM

[morski]

Armani, these books are post Exarchate influence CAN YOU FIND ME ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS MACEDONIA IS BULGARIAN PRIOR TO 1860, HINT:

JORDAN IVANOV! He only found a FEW QUOTES in which the name Bulgaria was used in Southern Serbia (Macedonia) prior to the Exarchists!

PS Good luck :)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21581&d=1330525973

Funny Serb pagliaccio.:D

[Archduke]

Armani, these books are post Exarchate influence CAN YOU FIND ME ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS MACEDONIA IS BULGARIAN PRIOR TO 1860, HINT:

JORDAN IVANOV! He only found a FEW QUOTES in which the name Bulgaria was used in Southern Serbia (Macedonia) prior to the Exarchists!

PS Good luck :)

Nope, i can find Ami Boue's ethnic map from 1847.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Ethnographic_map_Ami_Boue_1847.jpg


Not to mention Paisiy Hilendarski, the man which saved us from hellenisation, he is from MACEDONIA.

[Sultan Suleiman]

What? The first Serbian country was established 1 century after Bulgaria. There were Serbs only in the most western parts of today's Serbia, the other parts it was Bulgaria. Even your capital Belgrade was founded by Bulgarians. In the medieval times Serbia was only in Bosnia and Dalmatia.

That's a good one :D

And Belgrade (with other name) existed 100s of years before Slavs ever came :coffee:

[Gospodine]

Not to take sides but Vrh is right.

Singidūn (original Daco-Thracian name)/Singidunum (Latinized variant) was a thriving city long before Romans, Slavs, Avars/Bulgars or Turks showed up.

[morski]

That's a good one :D

An Belgrade (with other name) existed 100s of years before Slavs ever came :coffee:

Never the less he's right about the rest of his statement. The core Sreb lands in the Middle Ages:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Srbsko_IX_sr.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Serb_lands04.png

Primorie:
Pagania
Zahumlie
Travunia
Duklia

Zagorie:
Raska
Bosna

[Archduke]

That's a good one :D

An Belgrade (with other name) existed 100s of years before Slavs ever came :coffee:

I know, but we gave the name "Belgrad". We founded very much cities with this name.

Baba Vanga once said:

"Wherever they the past, they left country and white cities."

[Sultan Suleiman]

Never the less he's right about the rest of his statement. The core Sreb lands in the Middle Ages:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Srbsko_IX_sr.svg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Serb_lands04.png


These maps make me lol, because they are based on "Dominions of Bishops" rather than political governance :D

Neither Serbs nor Croats which had longer de jure dominion over Bosnia established full control or settled in greater numbers, because of still numerous locals holding key regions and simple geography.

Finalization of slavenization of Bosnia happened in late/early 10/11 century (in the period when locals now bound with a common language and faith native to the region merged into a new ethnicity), so your attempts to "prove" that Bosnia and Dalmatia were original "Serb lands" while Serbia proper is "stolen Bulgar land" is bloody hilarious and I don't get who can take you seriously after these claim :D

[morski]

These maps make me lol, because they are based on "Dominions of Bishops" rather than political governance :D

Neither Serbs nor Croats which had longer de jure dominion over Bosnia established full control or settled in greater numbers, because of still numerous locals holding key regions and simple geography.

Finalization of slavenization of Bosnia happened in late/early 10/11 century (in the period when locals now bound with a common language and faith native to the region merged into a new ethnicity), so your attempts to "prove" that Bosnia and Dalmatia were original "Serb lands" while Serbia proper is "stolen Bulgar land" is bloody hilarious and I don't get who can take you seriously after these claim :D

Those were Serb principalities according to Constantie VII in his De Administrando Imperio.

What is the original Serb land in the Balkans, then?

[Gospodine]

What is the original Serb land

I think we all know:

http://i50.tinypic.com/spvlg8.jpg

[Viljuska]

Those were Serb principalities according to Constantie VII in his De Administrando Imperio.

What is the original Serb land in the Balkans, then?
If you ask these guys, the answer will be Beogradski pašaluk only.

[Novi Pazar]

"Nope, i can find Ami Boue's ethnic map from 1847."

O.k lets bring the bar up alittle, anything before 1847?

Paisiy was influenced by a Serb (Jovan Rajic) in the Serbian Monastery Hilandar ;)

[Novi Pazar]

The Bosniaks make me laugh, anyway this forum is about Macedonia and not some Islamified Serbian people.

[ioan assen]

"Nope, i can find Ami Boue's ethnic map from 1847."

O.k lets bring the bar up alittle, anything before 1847?

Paisiy was influenced by a Serb (Jovan Rajic) in the Serbian Monastery Hilandar ;)

Yet he was FROM MACEDONIA, lived 2 centuries BEFORE THE EXARCHATE and did write the FIRST PATRIOTIC BULGARIAN BOOK... Thats enough for you laughable theory that the Exarchate turned the Macedonians into Bulgarians. Who turned Paisii into the biggest Bulgarian? Serboi? You are laughable with your childish serbian propaganda. Get a grip.

[Novi Pazar]

Yet he was FROM MACEDONIA, lived 2 centuries BEFORE THE EXARCHATE and did write the FIRST PATRIOTIC BULGARIAN BOOK... Thats enough for you laughable theory that the Exarchate turned the Macedonians into Bulgarians. Who turned Paisii into the biggest Bulgarian? Serboi? You are laughable with your childish serbian propaganda. Get a grip.

O.k then Assen, l will start a thread about Paisiy and the influence he got from Jovan Rajic (a Serb) at the Hilandar Monastery in Greece. You Bulgars will never learn LMAO

[ioan assen]

So a Serboi influenced him to be the biggest Bulgarian and he was "Macedonian"??????????? Whats the point to post your propaganda which shows that the Macedonians though of themselves of as Bulgarians centuries BEFORE THE EXARCHATE? To fuck yourself and your deluded theory up? Man you are capable of digging your grave yourself!

[Novi Pazar]

^ These kind of posts need to be removed, l can't reply to them because they are just garbage!

[forsaken]

I'll be honest, l have 200 + sources available to me, taken me years to gather regarding the Southern Balkans in which Serbs had settled and played a major role. Hint, most of my sources arn't post 1990, they are very old and found in state libraries and universites.

PS This is my hobby.
Let's see 'em.

[Novi Pazar]

Let's see 'em.

Not to worry you will see them, IN TIME LMAO

[morski]

"Nope, i can find Ami Boue's ethnic map from 1847."

O.k lets bring the bar up alittle, anything before 1847?

Paisiy was influenced by a Serb (Jovan Rajic) in the Serbian Monastery Hilandar ;)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1066160&postcount=31

[Novi Pazar]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1066160&postcount=31

LMAO o.k Morski, just wait and see my topic which will be coming, SOON, called *THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TERM BULGAR*

[morski]

LMAO o.k Morski, just wait and see my topic which will be coming, SOON, called *THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TERM BULGAR*

So how's the weather today on planet Serbia, hm?

[Novi Pazar]

So how's the weather today on planet Serbia, hm?


I'm not answering to stupid posts. :bored:

[morski]

I'm not answering to stupid posts. :bored:

Just making them... I know. :D