DNA Tribes SNP Admixture Results by Population

[Demhat]

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp-admixture-2012-08-01.pdf

They have now a huge Data available and improved their whole Calculation.

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[Demhat]

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Something about the so called "Persian" component.


DNATribes is calling the most prominent component in Kurds the "Persian" component (or "world region") regardless of the fact that it is peaking in Kurds (39.5%) and not in Iran (22.0%). Turkmen also have a high portion of this component (32.6%). The description of this component states: "Lake Urmia, Zagros and Elburz Mountains." Lake Urmia is not Persian, the Zagros Mountains are not Persian. Some people still seem to have problems to distinguish between "Iranic" and "Persian"

The best Term for this component would be "South Caspian" since it obviously follows a route from West Caspian to East. It most probably contained in the ancient Median, Parthian and Scythian groups.

The "North Caucasus" component is a connection between the North Caucasus and Pontic-Caspian Steppes.

The "Indus Valley" component seems to be a more "Western Central- South Asian" like component.

The "Eastmediterranean" component seems to be Levant-Transcaucasus specific.


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[Demhat]

Interesting point, the most "North African" and Caucasian group in North Africa are the Tunisians.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

What are they defining as "European"?

[Anthropologique]

DNA Tribes? Er, not the most reliable DNA "researchers."

[Demhat]

DNA Tribes? Er, not the most reliable DNA "researchers."


More reliable than 23andme which simply divides into Near Eastern, North and South Euro.

I think its the most reliable you can find on the Net for now since it specifies in more Wold Regions as other companies and distinguishes most Genes and does less generalization.

[Anthropologique]

More reliable than 23andme which simply divides into Near Eastern, North and South Euro.

I think its the most reliable you can find on the Net for now since it specifies in more Wold Regions as other companies and distinguishes most Genes and does less generalization.

Isn't DNA Tribes the same outfit that stated Portugal is ~ 10% Finnic?

Yes, 23andMe is only good for the basics, but Eurogenes seems far better than Tribes.

[Demhat]

What are they defining as "European"?

Northwest European, Iberian, Baltic_Urals and North Caucasus.

partly counted as European (border components) "Persian" and "Eastmed".

[Demhat]

Isn't DNA Tribes the same outfit that stated Portugal is ~ 10% Finnic?

Yes, 23andMe is only good for the basics, but Eurogenes seems far better than Tribes.


Eurogenes= DNAtribes ;) they work together. As I said once DNAtribes wasnt that reliable but they have improved their data.

[Anthropologique]

Eurogenes= DNAtribes ;) they work together. As I said once DNAtribes wasnt that reliable but they have improved their data.

There are some major differences between Tribes and Eurogenes scores. How does one explain such?

[Demhat]

There are some major differences between Tribes and Eurogenes scores. How does one explain such?

There arent really major differences. As I said DNAtribes simply is the most specifying group when it comes to Genes. Dodecad and Eurogenes however generalize more. Means they do not distinguish between Indus_Valley, North Indian and South Indian and call it simply "South Asian". Or they dont distinguish between Eastmed, South Caspian and North Caucasian and put them together and call it "West Asian".

DNAtribes=Eurogenes are working together as far as I know.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Northwest European, Iberian, Baltic_Urals and North Caucasus.

partly counted as European (border components) "Persian" and "Eastmed".

So in other words, they're misappropriating Persian and East Mediterranean, as being geographically located in Europe? I suspected as such.

[Demhat]

So in other words, they're misappropriating Persian and East Mediterranean, as being geographically located in Europe? I suspected as such.

No the "Persian" and "East Mediterranean" components are borderline since some of the Genes labeled under these two components are more Euro like and other more West Asian/Levant specific. :)

You can see on the World Regions map that these two components overlap with "European" counted "North Caucasian-Iberian" on the one hand, Middle Eastern/North African and Southwest Asian/South_Central Asian counted "Egyptian", "Arabian", "Balochi" and "Indus Valley" on the other.

[Anthropologique]

I'm skeptical when I see so many countries listed in the 98-100% Euro range. Doesn't make sense.

[Übermensch]

Interesting, is ''middle eastern'' southwest asian component?

[Demhat]

Interesting, is ''middle eastern'' southwest asian component?


As Middle Eastern is counted, "Arabian", "Egyptian", "North African", partly "Baloch", partly "Eastmediterranean" and partly "Persian".

[Damião de Góis]

A few interesting things:

-Bergamo is more Iberian than Portugal
-Portugal (and Galicia) is more Baltic than Spain
-Portugal is more East Med than Spain

[Übermensch]

As Middle Eastern is counted, "Arabian", "Egyptian", "North African", partly "Baloch", partly "Eastmediterranean" and partly "Persian".

So South Italians are 29% mid-eastern because of the east-med and southwest asian component?

[Demhat]

A few interesting things:

-Bergamo is more Iberian than Portugal



Maybe because "Iberian" as term is probably not quite accurate. Since this component peaks in Sardinia. I would rather call it "South or Southwest European".

[Damião de Góis]

Maybe because "Iberian" as term is probably not quite accurate. Since this component peaks in Sardinia. I would rather call it "South or Southwest European".

"Iberian" peaks in Sardinia? I didn't notice it, but if that is the case then the label is completely off.

[Demhat]

So South Italians are 29% mid-eastern because of the east-med and southwest asian component?


Yes because of the Egyptian, North African, Arabian and partly EastMediterranean/Persian (probably half of the percentage are more Near Eastern like).

30.7 Eastmed / 2 = 15.3 %
2.2 Persian / 2 = 1.1
Arabian = 3.6%
North African = 5.5%
Egyptian = 4.8%

15.3 + 1.1 + 3.6 + 5.5 + 4.8 = 30.3%

30.3%~ 29.7%

[Demhat]

"Iberian" peaks in Sardinia? I didn't notice it, but if that is the case then the label is completely off.

Yes the same goes for the "Persian" component like I mentioned. They have sometimes issues with labeling their components. It peaks in West Iran/Southeast Caucasus/North Mesopotamia and follows a Southern root to Eastern Caspian. Labeling this component "South Caspian" would come closer to reality.

They probably think (Which isnt that false anyway) that Iberians and Sardinians have the same origin and can be labeled as one "Iberian".

[Damião de Góis]

They probably think (Which isnt that false anyway) that Iberians and Sardinians have the same origin and can be labeled as one "Iberian".

The two populations are different, and it's well known that the Sardinians are genetic isolates just like the Basques. For example on Dodecad k12

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

The two populations might have things in common but it's debatable wether they have the same origin. Unless they have the same pre historic origin but Sardinians didn't suffer the same influences as Iberians in the following centuries.

[Demhat]

The two populations are different, and it's well known that the Sardinians are genetic isolates just like the Basques. For example on Dodecad k12

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

The two populations might have things in common but it's debatable wether they have the same origin. Unless they have the same pre historic origin but Sardinians didn't suffer the same influences as Iberians in the following centuries.

I think you misunderstood me. Of course Iberians and Sardinians are different. Iberians have more Northwest European component. What I mean is that both have partly the same ancient Southwest European population.
I thought this is a pretty known fact. Even in Dienekes Dodecad K12b the Atlantic_Med (Southwest European) component peaks in Basque (73%) and Sardinians(70%).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0
Iberians and Sardinians have obviously similar origin. In my opinion Sardinians are the ancestors of "Pre Indo-European" Iberians, which cam from Western Asia through Sea.